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singersp
09-21-2006, 07:12 AM
What if the Vikings still had... (http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2006/09/minnesota-vikings-whatifs210906.html)

By Eric Krupka on September 21, 2006 03:17 AM

After two games of the 2006 NFL regular season, the Minnesota Vikings are 2-0. The front office seems to have made all the right decisions in the offseason. But, if things went different, would the team still be undefeated? For example:

What if...


Daunte Culpepper was still a Viking

-The Vikings would not be 2-0; in fact, they probably would be 0-2, based purely on Culpepper's play thus far in Miami. He has been his turnover-prone self, and still seems lost without All-Pro receiver Randy Moss. Vikings head coach Brad Childress' offense seems to be tailored to Brad Johnson's strengths anyway. More than likely, Culpepper would be frustrated, and the team chemistry wouldn't be as good as it is now. That's not to say the Dolphins' signal caller is a cancer, but he was so blatantly unhappy at the end of his tenure with the Vikings, one can only imagine how he'd be acting if he was still in Minnesota.

Mike Tice didn't get fired

-It's safe to say the Vikings would probably be 0-2, and Culpepper would also likely still be a Viking. Ted Cottrell would be running an inept defense, instead of Mike Tomlin guiding a formidable unit. Culpepper's bad attitude came in full force when his "buddy" Tice was fired, and it was obvious he wanted out. The former head coach, frankly, wasn't ready to be the man in charge. He ran the team too loosely, trying to be best friends with all his players, rather than being a coach. There was no discipline, no accountability and, for the most part, poor results on the field. Once upon a time, when the team had nothing to lose, Tice was at his best. A perfect example was against the New Orleans Saints at the end of the 2002 season, when he went for a two-point conversion at the end of the game to try and go for the win, rather than the tie and a subsequent overtime period. The Vikings converted, won the game 32-31, and proceeded to rattle off nine consecutive wins, starting the next season 6-0. However, they'd go on to crumble and miss the playoffs entirely.

The Vikings didn't sign Chester Taylor

-The 5-foot-11, 220-pound running back has been a workhorse and, up to this point, has been the offensive MVP. Taylor is on pace for an astonishing 440 carries, which would be an NFL record. He also is a threat out of the backfield in the passing game. The ex-Baltimore Raven is the perfect fit in Minnesota. Even with all the touches, his body should hold up well, since he was underutilized in a backup role in Baltimore, not taking many hits. It is safe to say he has been instrumental in both victories. Without Taylor, the Vikings would not be 2-0.

Ryan Longwell was still a Packer

-Paul Edinger would likely still be in Minnesota. While Edinger did make a huge kick against the Packers last season (56-yard field goal as time expired to win), he also missed plenty, and was quite inconsistent. Even if Edinger was gone, the position would probably still be unstable. Bringing in the nine-year veteran away from the rival Packers is proving to be the best move the mean made in the offseason, aside from firing Tice and hiring Childress. Longwell, one of the most accurate kickers in NFL history, has already booted two game-winning field goals and accounted for all 16 points in the Vikings' three point overtime victory over the Carolina Panthers Sunday. Up to this point, some might argue Longwell is the team MVP. Without him, Minnesota would have certainly lost to the Panthers, and may have lost to the Redskins, too.

After two games, everything seems to be looking up for the Vikings. As evidenced by the performances thus far into the season, the additions and subtractions were the correct moves. The difference between the old and new coaching staff is probably the biggest ex-negative turned positive for the team.

You have to wonder where the Vikings would be without Childress guiding the ship -- no pun intended. Then again, why not just let the good times roll?

So far, Minnesota is.

-Eric Krupka can be reached at ekrupka@realfootball365.com

RealFootball365 brings you Minnesota Vikings insights everyday.

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VikesfaninWis
09-21-2006, 07:29 AM
I don't even want to think about "What If".. I am glad that Tice, Culpepper, and the old coaching staff is history.. This writer was right on when he said we would probably be 0-2 if that was the case..

These days it is all about

1. Brad Childress
2. Mike Tomlin
3. Brad Johnson
4. Chester Taylor
5. Ryan Longwell

no more Tice, Culpepper, Edinger, Cottrell, or anyone else that can't do their job right and get a win... I am perfectly happy with the direction that we are headed in, instead of where we would be if the "What Ifs" never happened..

Purple Floyd
09-21-2006, 08:38 AM
Grant
Page
Foreman
Tarkenton
Blair
Marshall
White
Rashad
Irwin
Randall McDaniel
Browner
AC CC and Moss
Studwell
Krause
Eller
Lowdermilk


All in their prime


THAT would be cool
8)

Prophet
09-21-2006, 08:43 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


Grant
Page
Foreman
Tarkenton
Blair
Marshall
White
Rashad
Irwin
Randall McDaniel
Browner
AC CC and Moss
Studwell
Krause
Eller
Lowdermilk


All in their prime


THAT would be cool
8)



BJ would then be young on a relative basis.

Del Rio
09-21-2006, 08:53 AM
Are they really running out of stuff to write about?

What if? We loose our next 14 games...............

Seriously no one has any idea what would have happened.

Zeus
09-21-2006, 08:54 AM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:


White
Rashad
AC CC and Moss
All in their prime

THAT would be cool
8)


That would be an ego mess of the highest proportions which would tear the team apart.


=Z=

whackthepack
09-21-2006, 09:36 AM
What if I was the richest man on the planet.

What if the U.N was actually good for something.

What if ifs and butts were candy and nuts we would all have a merry Christmas.

COJOMAY
09-21-2006, 10:11 AM
I was thinking yesterday about Tice and thought the only really good thing he did for the Vikes was get back Brad Johnson. But he did have some good draft picks. Some not so good, too.

PurplePeopleEaters
09-21-2006, 10:26 AM
"whackthepack" wrote:


What if I was the richest man on the planet.
What if the U.N was actually good for something.

What if ifs and butts were candy and nuts we would all have a merry Christmas.


I would buy the vikes!
8)

DeathtoDenny
09-21-2006, 10:29 AM
When I saw this post under Latest Talk I thought it was going to say "if Moss was still here, we'd be awesome." Thank goodness fo that.
I don't even want to think of the nightmare it would be if Tice or Cotrell were still running things. 0-4 start for sure.

purplepat
09-21-2006, 10:44 AM
It's hard to necessarily agree with the author.
Let me play devils advocate point by point.

1. DC...I'll grant you the Vikings might not be 2-0, might even be 0-2.
Money issues aside (and it seems now that maybe that was a driving issue with DC), I think DC just wanted some assurances that he would be "the man".
I think he could have run the WCO as good as BJ, but he would have had just as much problem with Peppers this past week as BJ did.
Would DC have more turnovers at this point?
Can't really say for certain.
It is hard to say that he could have done a better job than BJ at this point.

2. While I think the addition of Tomlin and some of the personnel that have been added has been great, don't forget that the defense really started to light it up in the second half of last season.
I give the players skill more credit for that than Cotrell, but the fact is they played like a top ten defense late in the year (Baltimore game the exception).
Don't know how much influence Tice had on personnel, but you have to wonder how different this team might look...would Burleson still be here, would Brian Williams be here instead of Smoot, would Cook have been drafted, hell, would DC still be here?
Given the whole "tough guy town" mentality of Tice, the first two games have played out exactly like he would have done (except the fake field goal).

3. The question is, would they have signed someone?
Alexander?
James?
Foster?
There are any number of RBs they could have signed, assuming they were cutting Bennett and Whizz wasn't going to be back.
They could have done the same thing, or even better.

4. TD pass aside, Longwell has yet to do anything that Edinger couldn't/didn't.
Overall, Longwell is a more accurate kicker and Edinger certainly blew some makeable FGs last season, but Edinger also hit some long ones as well.

PeteGA
09-21-2006, 12:11 PM
Hey!!
We COULD still have THIS guy!
http://www.sportinglife.com/nfl/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=international_feed/06/09/21/GRIDIRON_USA-Miami_Preview.html

Gift
09-21-2006, 01:26 PM
all that says to me is the vikes org made all the right moves in the off season.
Well almost, the forgot to pick up a good WR.

Zeus
09-21-2006, 04:39 PM
"Gift" wrote:


all that says to me is the vikes org made all the right moves in the off season.
Well almost, the forgot to pick up a good WR.


Didn't need one.
They've already got 3 in Taylor, Robinson and Williamson.

And they *thought* they had a 4th in Koren Robinson, until he fell off the wagon and into the seat of his car.

=Z=

Gift
09-21-2006, 05:13 PM
"AWZeus" wrote:


"Gift" wrote:


all that says to me is the vikes org made all the right moves in the off season.
Well almost, the forgot to pick up a good WR.


Didn't need one.
They've already got 3 in Taylor, Robinson and Williamson.

And they *thought* they had a 4th in Koren Robinson, until he fell off the wagon and into the seat of his car.

=Z=
I said "good", and taylor doesn't count as he is an RB.

Tarkenator
09-21-2006, 05:42 PM
"Gift" wrote:


"AWZeus" wrote:


"Gift" wrote:


all that says to me is the vikes org made all the right moves in the off season.
Well almost, the forgot to pick up a good WR.


Didn't need one.
They've already got 3 in Taylor, Robinson and Williamson.

And they *thought* they had a 4th in Koren Robinson, until he fell off the wagon and into the seat of his car.

=Z=
I said "good", and taylor doesn't count as he is an RB.


I think he is referring to Travis Taylor, although Chester doesn't have bad hands either.

If Tice and Culpepper were still here...
Tice would have sold tickets for the home opener (above market value) and given them to Daunte to deliver.
Daunte would have dropped them several times before being intercepted by the police. Luckily for both of them, Moss would have driven over the cops and they both would get away.

And yes, I think we would be 0-2.

Vikes_King
09-21-2006, 07:04 PM
all i know is if we still had tice, we wouldnt have hutch, CT, t-rich, tomlin

we would have burleson & cupepper

i'll take what we got

singersp
09-21-2006, 07:57 PM
"whackthepack" wrote:

What if butts were candy.........

Some butts are!
8)

Haven't you heard of ass-candy.

VKG4LFE
09-21-2006, 08:55 PM
What if pigs flew?

singersp
09-21-2006, 09:00 PM
"VKG4LFE" wrote:


What if pigs flew?



http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/singersp82759/pigflygif.gif

VKG4LFE
09-21-2006, 09:13 PM
lol!! Nice singer!!!!!!!!!!

Ltrey33
09-21-2006, 09:26 PM
"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:


"whackthepack" wrote:


What if I was the richest man on the planet.
What if the U.N was actually good for something.

What if ifs and butts were candy and nuts we would all have a merry Christmas.


I would buy the vikes!
8)


Yeah, and then I'd build them an f-ing stadium!

JellyBean2144
09-21-2006, 10:10 PM
"Del" wrote:


Are they really running out of stuff to write about?

What if? We loose our next 14 games...............

Seriously no one has any idea what would have happened.


Thank you!!

BadlandsVikings
09-21-2006, 10:13 PM
What if someone had run over Morten Andersen in the parking lot before the 98 championship game?

Formo
09-22-2006, 01:07 AM
"WVV" wrote:


What if someone had run over Morten Andersen in the parking lot before the 98 championship game?


HAHAHA
That would've been awesome!!
Heh.

"Tarkenator" wrote:


If Tice and Culpepper were still here...
Tice would have sold tickets for the home opener (above market value) and given them to Daunte to deliver.
Daunte would have dropped them several times before being intercepted by the police. Luckily for both of them, Moss would have driven over the cops and they both would get away.

And yes, I think we would be 0-2.


OMG, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
So true!

Zeus
09-22-2006, 08:01 AM
"Gift" wrote:


"AWZeus" wrote:


"Gift" wrote:


all that says to me is the vikes org made all the right moves in the off season.
Well almost, the forgot to pick up a good WR.


Didn't need one.
They've already got 3 in Taylor, Robinson and Williamson.

And they *thought* they had a 4th in Koren Robinson, until he fell off the wagon and into the seat of his car.

=Z=
I said "good", and taylor doesn't count as he is an RB.


Travis Taylor, who led the Vikings WRs in receiving last year, sure as heck does count as a wide receiver.

And I'm perfectly satisfied with our receiving corps.
Outside of TWill's dropsies in Week 1, I think they've done everything they've been asked to do by Childress.

=Z=

Marrdro
09-22-2006, 12:20 PM
"VikesfaninWis" wrote:


I don't even want to think about "What If".. I am glad that Tice, Culpepper, and the old coaching staff is history.. This writer was right on when he said we would probably be 0-2 if that was the case..

These days it is all about

1. Brad Childress
2. Mike Tomlin
3. Brad Johnson
4. Chester Taylor
5. Ryan Longwell

no more Tice, Culpepper, Edinger, Cottrell, or anyone else that can't do their job right and get a win... I am perfectly happy with the direction that we are headed in, instead of where we would be if the "What Ifs" never happened..


I disagree, you left off the following:

Defense
Pat
Kevin
Darrin

Better yet, it is a team not a bunch of individuals out there looking out for thier own interests.

Prophet
09-22-2006, 12:22 PM
"Marrdro" wrote:


...Better yet, it is a team not a bunch of individuals out there looking out for thier own interests.


That's the bottom-line.
Stars will surface, as long as the pride doesn't surface along with the fame.

Gift
09-22-2006, 05:29 PM
"AWZeus" wrote:


"Gift" wrote:


"AWZeus" wrote:


"Gift" wrote:


all that says to me is the vikes org made all the right moves in the off season.
Well almost, the forgot to pick up a good WR.


Didn't need one.
They've already got 3 in Taylor, Robinson and Williamson.

And they *thought* they had a 4th in Koren Robinson, until he fell off the wagon and into the seat of his car.

=Z=
I said "good", and taylor doesn't count as he is an RB.


Travis Taylor, who led the Vikings WRs in receiving last year, sure as heck does count as a wide receiver.

And I'm perfectly satisfied with our receiving corps.
Outside of TWill's dropsies in Week 1, I think they've done everything they've been asked to do by Childress.

=Z=

yeah, my bad on T. Taylor, thought you ment C.Taylor (as he's a good receivng back)

But anywho,
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Travis Taylor 50 604 12.1 31 4

Those are not great figures for the #1 reciever.


Our WR's were average at best last year & we made no improvement in the offseason.
I hope they step up, but I said the same thing last year & the never did.
T-will is the only talented one in the group & he has a long way to go.

Prophet
09-22-2006, 05:48 PM
"Gift" wrote:


"AWZeus" wrote:


"Gift" wrote:


"AWZeus" wrote:


"Gift" wrote:


all that says to me is the vikes org made all the right moves in the off season.
Well almost, the forgot to pick up a good WR.


Didn't need one.
They've already got 3 in Taylor, Robinson and Williamson.

And they *thought* they had a 4th in Koren Robinson, until he fell off the wagon and into the seat of his car.

=Z=
I said "good", and taylor doesn't count as he is an RB.


Travis Taylor, who led the Vikings WRs in receiving last year, sure as heck does count as a wide receiver.

And I'm perfectly satisfied with our receiving corps.
Outside of TWill's dropsies in Week 1, I think they've done everything they've been asked to do by Childress.

=Z=

yeah, my bad on T. Taylor, thought you ment C.Taylor (as he's a good receivng back)

But anywho,
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Travis Taylor 50 604 12.1 31 4

Those are not great figures for the #1 reciever.
And actually, wiggins lead the team with 69.

Our WR's were average at best last year & we made no improvement in the offseason.
I hope they step up, but I said the same thing last year & the never did.
T-will is the only talented one in the group & he has a long way to go.


T-Will is the only talented receiver in the group?
He is mostly potential right now and he should develop fine, but I wouldn't say he's the only talented WR.
There are teams with bigger names but T. Taylor is the man, he can be counted on.
I'm still not sold on McMuffin, but he appears to be doing fine with some key catches.
M. Johnson is servicable. I like Jimmy K. and Wiggens, sure, they're TEs, but they can get the job done.
C. Taylor is awesome out of the backfield.
Richardson does his job.
The other WRs/TE/RBs can also perform just fine in the UMCO.
There is no need for the likes of T-Ho, Porter, Meshawn (although he may have graduated from the head-case WR class), Porter, etc.
The Vikes are fine at WR once T-Will becomes consistent, he is definitely not the only talented receiver.
Fantasy football and real football are mutually exclusive of each other.

Gift
09-22-2006, 06:16 PM
"Prophet" wrote:


"Gift" wrote:


"AWZeus" wrote:


"Gift" wrote:


"AWZeus" wrote:




all that says to me is the vikes org made all the right moves in the off season.
Well almost, the forgot to pick up a good WR.


Didn't need one.
They've already got 3 in Taylor, Robinson and Williamson.

And they *thought* they had a 4th in Koren Robinson, until he fell off the wagon and into the seat of his car.

=Z=
I said "good", and taylor doesn't count as he is an RB.


Travis Taylor, who led the Vikings WRs in receiving last year, sure as heck does count as a wide receiver.

And I'm perfectly satisfied with our receiving corps.
Outside of TWill's dropsies in Week 1, I think they've done everything they've been asked to do by Childress.

=Z=

yeah, my bad on T. Taylor, thought you ment C.Taylor (as he's a good receivng back)

But anywho,
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Travis Taylor 50 604 12.1 31 4

Those are not great figures for the #1 reciever.
And actually, wiggins lead the team with 69.

Our WR's were average at best last year & we made no improvement in the offseason.
I hope they step up, but I said the same thing last year & the never did.
T-will is the only talented one in the group & he has a long way to go.


T-Will is the only talented receiver in the group?
He is mostly potential right now and he should develop fine, but I wouldn't say he's the only talented WR.
There are teams with bigger names but T. Taylor is the man, he can be counted on.
I'm still not sold on McMuffin, but he appears to be doing fine with some key catches.
M. Johnson is servicable. I like Jimmy K. and Wiggens, sure, they're TEs, but they can get the job done.
C. Taylor is awesome out of the backfield.
Richardson does his job.
The other WRs/TE/RBs can also perform just fine in the UMCO.
There is no need for the likes of T-Ho, Porter, Meshawn (although he may have graduated from the head-case WR class), Porter, etc.
The Vikes are fine at WR once T-Will becomes consistent, he is definitely not the only talented receiver.
Fantasy football and real football are mutually exclusive of each other.


1st:We'll have to agree to disagree about the talent of our wr's.
On the other hand, I agree our TE's are very talented & C. Taylor is a fine addition to the passing game.

2nd:I can't say I've ever played fantasy football but I think I follow what your getting at.
I wanted to see if you there is any strong connection between "#1WR's" and
"W's".
So I went to nfl.com & looked at 2005 playoff teams.

Pittsburg
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Hines Ward 69 975 14.1 85 11

Seattle
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Bobby Engram 67 778 11.6 56 3

Carolina
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Steve Smith 103 1563 15.2 80 12

Denver
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Rod Smith 85 1105 13.0 72 6

Washington
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Santana Moss 84 1483 17.7 78 9

Indianapolis
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Marvin Harrison 82 1146 14.0 80 12

Chicago
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Muhsin Muhammad 64 750 11.7 33 4

New England
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Deion Branch 78 998 12.8 51 5

Tampa Bay
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Joey Galloway 83 1287 15.5 80 10

Giants
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Plaxico Burress 76 1214 16.0 78 7

Jacksonville
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Jimmy Smith 70 1023 14.6 45 6

Cincinatti
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Chad Johnson 97 1432 14.8 70 9

My conclusion is this:
no clue, but I should really get back to work.

Prophet
09-22-2006, 06:19 PM
"Gift" wrote:


"Prophet" wrote:


"Gift" wrote:


"AWZeus" wrote:


"Gift" wrote:






all that says to me is the vikes org made all the right moves in the off season.
Well almost, the forgot to pick up a good WR.


Didn't need one.
They've already got 3 in Taylor, Robinson and Williamson.

And they *thought* they had a 4th in Koren Robinson, until he fell off the wagon and into the seat of his car.

=Z=
I said "good", and taylor doesn't count as he is an RB.


Travis Taylor, who led the Vikings WRs in receiving last year, sure as heck does count as a wide receiver.

And I'm perfectly satisfied with our receiving corps.
Outside of TWill's dropsies in Week 1, I think they've done everything they've been asked to do by Childress.

=Z=

yeah, my bad on T. Taylor, thought you ment C.Taylor (as he's a good receivng back)

But anywho,
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Travis Taylor 50 604 12.1 31 4

Those are not great figures for the #1 reciever.
And actually, wiggins lead the team with 69.

Our WR's were average at best last year & we made no improvement in the offseason.
I hope they step up, but I said the same thing last year & the never did.
T-will is the only talented one in the group & he has a long way to go.


T-Will is the only talented receiver in the group?
He is mostly potential right now and he should develop fine, but I wouldn't say he's the only talented WR.
There are teams with bigger names but T. Taylor is the man, he can be counted on.
I'm still not sold on McMuffin, but he appears to be doing fine with some key catches.
M. Johnson is servicable. I like Jimmy K. and Wiggens, sure, they're TEs, but they can get the job done.
C. Taylor is awesome out of the backfield.
Richardson does his job.
The other WRs/TE/RBs can also perform just fine in the UMCO.
There is no need for the likes of T-Ho, Porter, Meshawn (although he may have graduated from the head-case WR class), Porter, etc.
The Vikes are fine at WR once T-Will becomes consistent, he is definitely not the only talented receiver.
Fantasy football and real football are mutually exclusive of each other.




I can't say I've ever played fantasy football but I think I follow what your getting at.
I wanted to see if you there is any strong connection between "#1WR's" and
"W's".
So I went to nfl.com & looked at 2005 playoff teams.

Pittsburg
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Hines Ward 69 975 14.1 85 11

Seattle
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Bobby Engram 67 778 11.6 56 3

Carolina
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Steve Smith 103 1563 15.2 80 12

Denver
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Rod Smith 85 1105 13.0 72 6

Washington
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Santana Moss 84 1483 17.7 78 9

Indianapolis
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Marvin Harrison 82 1146 14.0 80 12

Chicago
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Muhsin Muhammad 64 750 11.7 33 4

New England
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Deion Branch 78 998 12.8 51 5

Tampa Bay
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Joey Galloway 83 1287 15.5 80 10

Giants
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Plaxico Burress 76 1214 16.0 78 7

Jacksonville
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Jimmy Smith 70 1023 14.6 45 6

Cincinatti
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Chad Johnson 97 1432 14.8 70 9

My conclusion is this:
no clue, but I should really get back to work.


;D, that was hilarious.
Sure, it will be nice when T-Will performs consistently as the #1.
Until then we have the personnel to buy some time, it's not a panic situation as long as the D and special teams also continue to do their job.