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singersp
07-27-2006, 01:18 PM
Posted on Thu, Jul. 27, 2006

Vikings like depth at receiver
Childress confident in position despite loss of Burleson

Editor's note: As the Vikings prepare to report to training camp, we look at some of the key issues facing the team. Today's question: Do the Vikings have two legitimate starting NFL receivers?

BY DON SEEHOLZER

Pioneer Press

It was late March, and the Vikings were still debating whether to match Seattle's seven-year, $49 million offer sheet to Nate Burleson when coach Brad Childress, at an NFL owners meeting in Orlando, Fla., issued a vote of confidence in the rest of his receiving corps.

"You still have four guys," he said. "We've got Travis Taylor and Koren Robinson, and we've got (Troy) Williamson, who is going to be a talent, is a talent, will be better in his second year, and then Marcus Robinson."

Four months later, with Burleson preparing to head to training camp with the Seahawks, the Vikings still have all four players and what they believe is more than enough firepower to get their West Coast offense off the ground.

Topping the list is Koren Robinson, who moved up to No. 1 receiver even before Burleson left by signing a three-year, $12.7 million contract on the eve of free agency.

Coming off a season in which he made the Pro Bowl as a kickoff returner but caught just 22 passes, Robinson is looking forward to playing a feature role as lead receiver in basically the same offense in which he caught 78 passes for 1,240 yards in 2002 with Seattle.

Robinson, whose alcohol problems contributed to his release by the Seahawks last offseason, made headlines earlier this month when it was reported he had re-entered a South Carolina rehabilitation facility, but he explained he was taking prevention classes and hadn't suffered any type of relapse.

For his sake, and that of the Vikings' passing game, they had better hope so because this offense needs him.

Burleson had a poor 2005 season, catching just 30 passes for 328 yards and one touchdown and missing four games because of knee and shoulder injuries, but he would have been a great fit in Childress' offense and the odds-on favorite to claim the other starting job.

When he left, that mantle appeared to pass briefly to Williamson, but last year's No. 1 draft choice missed a good portion of the offseason program after undergoing surgery in May to remove an abscess from his left hip.

That could help open the door for Taylor, who was the Vikings' most productive wide receiver last season, finishing with 50 receptions for a team-high 604 yards and four touchdowns.

Taylor also is physical enough to beat press coverage and go across the middle, but Williamson's speed could add a big-play dimension to Childress' version of the West Coast offense, which features more five-step drops and deep passes than the common perception.

That's one thing that caught the coach's eye about Williamson before the team had held its first minicamp.

"He's a bullet," Childress said. "He's a 4.3 guy (in the 40-yard dash). In my estimation, watching him here catching the football, he catches it better than I thought. … I expect him to make a big jump from Year 1 to Year 2."

Williamson had an unspectacular rookie season with the Vikings, catching 24 passes for 372 yards and two touchdowns, but the team's No. 1 receiver made him the early favorite for the No. 2 job.

"I feel like he's going to be the other starter with me," Koren Robinson said. "We're going to rely on him. He's going to have to carry his weight and some of the load on offense."

Don Seeholzer can be reached at dseeholzer@pioneerpress.com.

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Mr. Purple
07-27-2006, 06:47 PM
I'm excited to see Troy play this year.Last offseason, Troy and Brad developed some chemistry.Chemistry is very important between your QB and WR's, and I think we got alot of that with the guys we have.I wish we wouldnt have lost Burley, he would have really done well in this offense.But its Football, Sh*t happens, move on.K-Rob is our number 1 receiver, and I'm fully confident he can get the job done.

cajunvike
07-27-2006, 06:50 PM
Our WRs are gonna rip ish up! They are gonna surprise a lot of people....especially TWill.

PurpleRide
07-27-2006, 06:51 PM
I think the vikings are better at WR this year over last.

Benet
07-27-2006, 07:07 PM
Until I see some production I'm not going to expect anything spectacular.

Sometimes it feels like people on here look at the Vikes with rose-tinted glasses; Travis Taylor was our most productive receiver and he played in the slot. I really hope Koren and Troy burn it up this season and give us a dynamic pass attack, but at the moment our only proven receiver is Jermaine Wiggins, and he's a tight end.

Here's to training camp, preseason, and most importantly that opening game against the Redskins proving me wrong!

V-Unit
07-27-2006, 07:28 PM
We lost Burly and added McMullen. this is the offense's weakest position. This article aint fooling me.

VikingsTw
07-27-2006, 07:28 PM
"Benet" wrote:

Until I see some production I'm not going to expect anything spectacular.

Sometimes it feels like people on here look at the Vikes with rose-tinted glasses; Travis Taylor was our most productive receiver and he played in the slot. I really hope Koren and Troy burn it up this season and give us a dynamic pass attack, but at the moment our only proven receiver is Jermaine Wiggins, and he's a tight end.

Here's to training camp, preseason, and most importantly that opening game against the Redskins proving me wrong!


Where does that come from?

Koren Robinson and Marcus have both had 1000 yard seasons, so they have proven themselves in the NFL.

Its not gonna be up to the WR's wether or not they get the yards this year. Its up to the offensive line and our running game, the chiefs don't have any big names WR's but there still very productive. They don't have a big physical 4.3 Koren Robinson or a speedy williamson, but what they do have is a badass O Line and a running game. Same goes with the eagles, before they had TO, the offense was somewhat productive with scrubs at WR.

If our Oline protects BJ theres no way CB's are gonna be able to cover our duo in Koren and Williamson. Then you have Taylor out the backfield and a sneaky Wiggins. If our oline comes to play this year we can be in the top 10 offenses, there's way too much talent to think otherwise.

The Cardinals might have all the fire power in the world but there offensive line sucks its gonna be a jail break to the RB and QB. There overated, we're underated.

I'll stay optomistic. No glasses needed.

jargomcfargo
07-27-2006, 08:21 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:

"Benet" wrote:

Until I see some production I'm not going to expect anything spectacular.

Sometimes it feels like people on here look at the Vikes with rose-tinted glasses; Travis Taylor was our most productive receiver and he played in the slot. I really hope Koren and Troy burn it up this season and give us a dynamic pass attack, but at the moment our only proven receiver is Jermaine Wiggins, and he's a tight end.

Here's to training camp, preseason, and most importantly that opening game against the Redskins proving me wrong!


Where does that come from?

Koren Robinson and Marcus have both had 1000 yard seasons, so they have proven themselves in the NFL.

Its not gonna be up to the WR's wether or not they get the yards this year. Its up to the offensive line and our running game, the chiefs don't have any big names WR's but there still very productive. They don't have a big physical 4.3 Koren Robinson or a speedy williamson, but what they do have is a badass O Line and a running game. Same goes with the eagles, before they had TO, the offense was somewhat productive with scrubs at WR.

If our Oline protects BJ theres no way CB's are gonna be able to cover our duo in Koren and Williamson. Then you have Taylor out the backfield and a sneaky Wiggins. If our oline comes to play this year we can be in the top 10 offenses, there's way too much talent to think otherwise.

The Cardinals might have all the fire power in the world but there offensive line sucks its gonna be a jail break to the RB and QB. There overated, we're underated.

I'll stay optomistic. No glasses needed.

Well said. Last years stats on our receivers are a function of last years line play. And the ignorant assumption ,by the coaching staff ,that you can put in Williamson on third and long and send him to the post. I mean who was the offensive genius who developed that concept?

This group of receivers have plenty of talent.And their talent begins at the offensive line.

BloodyHorns82
07-27-2006, 08:58 PM
"PurpleRide" wrote:

I think the vikings are better at WR this year over last.

:scratch: We are minus Burleson, how have we gotten better at WR this year?

With that asked, I guess I have more confidnence in them this year. I think they will mold well into the WCO and TWill has a year of experience under his belt. Is this what you meant by a better WR core? Or am I missing something here.

Benet
07-27-2006, 09:55 PM
"VikingsTw" wrote:

"Benet" wrote:

Until I see some production I'm not going to expect anything spectacular.

Sometimes it feels like people on here look at the Vikes with rose-tinted glasses; Travis Taylor was our most productive receiver and he played in the slot. I really hope Koren and Troy burn it up this season and give us a dynamic pass attack, but at the moment our only proven receiver is Jermaine Wiggins, and he's a tight end.

Here's to training camp, preseason, and most importantly that opening game against the Redskins proving me wrong!

Where does that come from?

Koren Robinson and Marcus have both had 1000 yard seasons, so they have proven themselves in the NFL.

I hate doing this, but Koren Robinson has been producing less and less receiving yards, year on year (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235239) since his career highs in 2002. I will willingly concede that his YPC from last year, thankfully, raised to that standard he set 4 years ago, so hopefully all he needs is consistent starts to raise his game to those numbers again. As for Marcus Robinson, he's strictly a situational receiver now, and I don't think he'll be anything more. Hey, he's a GREAT red-zone receiver, but to say he's a consistent performer in the NFL at this present time is wrong. Just throwing out numbers saying "they had 1000 yard seasons before" (with Koren and Marcus, they haven't had 1000 yard receiving seasons since 2002 and 1999 respectively) doesn't mean they can do it consistently. As the old saying goes: "What have you done for me lately?"

Maybe I didn't clarify my comments enough, what I meant when I said that Wiggins is our best receiver is that he has been the most consistent over the last 2 seasons. Sure his numbers dropped slightly last season but that's more of a result of Kleinsasser returning than his own ability diminishing. Koren, Marcus, Troy and Travis (and you can even include Nate Burleson in there) have not had consistent back-to-back seasons that would put them in the higher echelons of NFL receivers.


Its not gonna be up to the WR's wether or not they get the yards this year. Its up to the offensive line and our running game, the chiefs don't have any big names WR's but there still very productive. They don't have a big physical 4.3 Koren Robinson or a speedy williamson, but what they do have is a badass O Line and a running game. Same goes with the eagles, before they had TO, the offense was somewhat productive with scrubs at WR.

If our Oline protects BJ theres no way CB's are gonna be able to cover our duo in Koren and Williamson. Then you have Taylor out the backfield and a sneaky Wiggins. If our oline comes to play this year we can be in the top 10 offenses, there's way too much talent to think otherwise.

The Cardinals might have all the fire power in the world but there offensive line sucks its gonna be a jail break to the RB and QB. There overated, we're underated.

I'll stay optomistic. No glasses needed.

Those are good points, and hey I hope you're right! I'm just not banking on it until I see it on the field. After all, we're all just speculating at the moment.

PurpleRide
07-27-2006, 10:40 PM
"BloodyHorns82" wrote:

"PurpleRide" wrote:

I think the vikings are better at WR this year over last.

:scratch: We are minus Burleson, how have we gotten better at WR this year?

With that asked, I guess I have more confidnence in them this year. I think they will mold well into the WCO and TWill has a year of experience under his belt. Is this what you meant by a better WR core? Or am I missing something here.

Troy is/was considered a faster nate burleson. He is a year older, Koren will have a full season to play WR instead of basically not even a half, Marcus is and always will be a good not great reciever, and taylor proved last year he could be the 3rd down reciever when needed. Nate is and always will be a # 2 reciever. The team is better than last year in regards to that situation, losing him is no where near as much of a drop off as moss. He had the chance to step up last year and he really disappeared. He had the chance to reinsert himself after the injury and he did not. I am not saying this team is top 5 in regards to the WR spot, but with koren as a possible #1 who is faster than burleson, with troy having much more expirence, and with the other two I do think this part of the team is better than last year. I was one who never really thought burleson was as good as people wanted to believe.

NodakPaul
07-27-2006, 11:00 PM
"PurpleRide" wrote:

"BloodyHorns82" wrote:

"PurpleRide" wrote:

I think the vikings are better at WR this year over last.

:scratch: We are minus Burleson, how have we gotten better at WR this year?

With that asked, I guess I have more confidnence in them this year. I think they will mold well into the WCO and TWill has a year of experience under his belt. Is this what you meant by a better WR core? Or am I missing something here.

Troy is/was considered a faster nate burleson. He is a year older, Koren will have a full season to play WR instead of basically not even a half, Marcus is and always will be a good not great reciever, and taylor proved last year he could be the 3rd down reciever when needed. Nate is and always will be a # 2 reciever. The team is better than last year in regards to that situation, losing him is no where near as much of a drop off as moss. He had the chance to step up last year and he really disappeared. He had the chance to reinsert himself after the injury and he did not. I am not saying this team is top 5 in regards to the WR spot, but with koren as a possible #1 who is faster than burleson, with troy having much more expirence, and with the other two I do think this part of the team is better than last year. I was one who never really thought burleson was as good as people wanted to believe.

I don't know if I would say that our WR cops is way better than last year, but we did see some improvement. The loss of Burly hurt, but the growth of T-Will, and the chance for K-Rob to step up and take a leadership role will more than make up for it.

Slade
07-27-2006, 11:11 PM
With the WC offense, our TE's will get alot of looks. Here's hoping Wiggy & Jimmy K can move the chains & keep opposing LB's honest. This way, KRob & T-Wil would get better opportunities to make some spectacular plays

VikingsTw
07-27-2006, 11:29 PM
"Benet" wrote:

"VikingsTw" wrote:

"Benet" wrote:

Until I see some production I'm not going to expect anything spectacular.

Sometimes it feels like people on here look at the Vikes with rose-tinted glasses; Travis Taylor was our most productive receiver and he played in the slot. I really hope Koren and Troy burn it up this season and give us a dynamic pass attack, but at the moment our only proven receiver is Jermaine Wiggins, and he's a tight end.

Here's to training camp, preseason, and most importantly that opening game against the Redskins proving me wrong!

Where does that come from?

Koren Robinson and Marcus have both had 1000 yard seasons, so they have proven themselves in the NFL.

I hate doing this, but Koren Robinson has been producing less and less receiving yards, year on year (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235239) since his career highs in 2002. I will willingly concede that his YPC from last year, thankfully, raised to that standard he set 4 years ago, so hopefully all he needs is consistent starts to raise his game to those numbers again. As for Marcus Robinson, he's strictly a situational receiver now, and I don't think he'll be anything more. Hey, he's a GREAT red-zone receiver, but to say he's a consistent performer in the NFL at this present time is wrong. Just throwing out numbers saying "they had 1000 yard seasons before" (with Koren and Marcus, they haven't had 1000 yard receiving seasons since 2002 and 1999 respectively) doesn't mean they can do it consistently. As the old saying goes: "What have you done for me lately?"

Maybe I didn't clarify my comments enough, what I meant when I said that Wiggins is our best receiver is that he has been the most consistent over the last 2 seasons. Sure his numbers dropped slightly last season but that's more of a result of Kleinsasser returning than his own ability diminishing. Koren, Marcus, Troy and Travis (and you can even include Nate Burleson in there) have not had consistent back-to-back seasons that would put them in the higher echelons of NFL receivers.


Its not gonna be up to the WR's wether or not they get the yards this year. Its up to the offensive line and our running game, the chiefs don't have any big names WR's but there still very productive. They don't have a big physical 4.3 Koren Robinson or a speedy williamson, but what they do have is a badass O Line and a running game. Same goes with the eagles, before they had TO, the offense was somewhat productive with scrubs at WR.

If our Oline protects BJ theres no way CB's are gonna be able to cover our duo in Koren and Williamson. Then you have Taylor out the backfield and a sneaky Wiggins. If our oline comes to play this year we can be in the top 10 offenses, there's way too much talent to think otherwise.

The Cardinals might have all the fire power in the world but there offensive line sucks its gonna be a jail break to the RB and QB. There overated, we're underated.

I'll stay optomistic. No glasses needed.

Those are good points, and hey I hope you're right! I'm just not banking on it until I see it on the field. After all, we're all just speculating at the moment.

All i wanted to clear up is we HAVE proven WR's on our team. K.Robinson is in by far the prime of his career, mentally and physically.

Regardless of who plays WR we will have production in our WR core if we have a line and running game. You know that saying "It all starts up front".

I understand your concern for what they have done lately, but it won't matter if everyone else is on the same page.

WR is the last of my worries, when we have a running game, and good protection and our WR are dropping balls and not getting open, thats the time for concern, and i highly doubt that happens.

Vikes_King
07-28-2006, 01:54 AM
i've always said we have a lot of talent in our recievers, how ever sayign you like our depth at reciever is another thing, i dont know how we'll fair if we have 1 of our guys go down

but im praying for the best