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baumy300
07-11-2006, 10:30 PM
I don't think he will either be healthy enough, or effective enough to play the whole season.

Nothing against him. He has had a great career, but in his later years his arm has dropped to that of a pop warner QB.

He can read a D as good as Jesus, but when he can't throw the ball farther than 20 yards, we are going to have problems.

Does anyone else think letting him start the season and then throwing Tarvaris in the mix later on is a good idea?

I'm all for it. If Jackson is out QB of the future, the best way to teach him is by experience.

Share your thoughts.

NodakPaul
07-11-2006, 10:36 PM
Even if Brad goes down, TJ won't be starting this year. Putting a rookie QB in a starting role before he is ready can do more harm than good. Childress knows this too, and TJ will ride the bench and learn this year.

Besides, BJ may not have the gun that Daunte had, but he can still throw the ball more than 20 yards. Add to that the fact that we won't be relying on the deep threat nearly as often as we did in the past, and we will do fine.

And I don't think BJ's wife will give singer the time of day :wink:.

FedjeViking
07-11-2006, 10:49 PM
Brad will do just fine and not get injured if the rest of the offense does their job. :lol:

Ltrey33
07-11-2006, 11:08 PM
I really don't know, but I think the protection will be good enough that he won't have much of an opportunity to be injured. I also think his lack of arm strength is overblown. I really think he can still throw the deep ball adequately. He might not be a great deep passer, but he wouldn't be in the NFL anymore if he couldn't get it there.

ChiTownVike
07-11-2006, 11:32 PM
I hope he stays healthy! I certainly do not want Mike Mahon as some sportswirters call him, starting for us.

That was my 1111 post!

kramer9guy
07-12-2006, 12:12 AM
I can only imagine that he's gonna get hurt to some degree during the season. Whether or not he misses any games, we'll see. I hope he can play all 16+ games but I doubt it. For any QB to ride out the entire season injury free is rare.

In either case, I wish him a healthy and productive year.

VikesfaninWis
07-12-2006, 01:13 AM
Yes he will.. I like your last option though..

cc21
07-12-2006, 01:16 AM
The only way I see him not starting the whole year is if we end up sucking and have no chance at the playoffs. Than we will proabably put Tarvaris Jackson in to see what he's got.

mr.woo
07-12-2006, 01:17 AM
i belive it was against the lions last year where he threw a 50 yard bomb on the first play? correct me if im wtrong but that is some major arm power.

ForceOfNorse
07-12-2006, 02:05 AM
Brad's a pretty tough guy, and with the addition of Hutch on his blind-side for his protection, he's got a great chance to be under center in all 16, and then some (I pray!).

ultravikingfan
07-12-2006, 02:25 AM
If he stays healthy, yes.

PurpleRide
07-12-2006, 02:31 AM
i'll say...maybe

fromos
07-12-2006, 03:42 PM
"baumy300" wrote:

Nothing against him. He has had a great career, but in his later years his arm has dropped to that of a pop warner QB.

He can read a D as good as Jesus, but when he can't throw the ball farther than 20 yards, we are going to have problems.
How do you figure? He had just as many 40+ passes last year as he did in 2002 (the year he won the Superbowl, broke the Buc records for most single season touchdowns and lowest interception percent, and had the highest passer rating in the NFC) and while playing in 4 less games. He had almost as many 40+ yard passes last year as he had in the two years before he won the Superbowl, 2000 & 2001, combined (he also had better passer rating last season than the two years before he won the Superbowl.) By all stats and indications, Johnson was a better quarterback last season than he was 5 years ago.

Only two starting quarterbacks in the NFC had a better passer rating than Johnson last season, and he outperformed 3 quarterbacks selected to the Pro Bowl. This was while playing the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 7th ranked defenses in the NFL.

"baumy300" wrote:

Does anyone else think letting him start the season and then throwing Tarvaris in the mix later on is a good idea?

I'm all for it. If Jackson is out QB of the future, the best way to teach him is by experience.
If the Cardinals are saying they want to avoid having Leinart (the most ready QB in the draft) play even one snap this season if at all possible, where does that leave Jackson? If people say Vince Young has a long way to go before he's ready...

Del Rio
07-12-2006, 04:26 PM
Revamped offensive line..........check.

Pro Bowl FB known for his ability to block..............check.

If you think Brad Childress brought in all this talent for protection instead of spending that money on a free agent QB which there were tons for the purpose of starting an unproven rookie that wasn't even projected in the 1st round then your fooling yourself.

This offense has been built around brad and for brad. Childress wants to win and win now. Tavaris is here to learn from Brad.

Next season? That is a different story.

Prophet
07-12-2006, 04:38 PM
"Del Rio" wrote:

Revamped offensive line..........check.

Pro Bowl FB known for his ability to block..............check.

If you think Brad Childress brought in all this talent for protection instead of spending that money on a free agent QB which there were tons for the purpose of starting an unproven rookie that wasn't even projected in the 1st round then your fooling yourself.

This offense has been built around brad and for brad. Childress wants to win and win now. Tavaris is here to learn from Brad.

Next season? That is a different story.

The voice of reason strikes again. It doesn't take a top-notch detective to interpret the clues that Childress & Co. have given us this offseason.

Caine
07-12-2006, 04:45 PM
Anyone who does not think that Brad will start all season - barring injury - has not taken a good look at our depth chart in the QB position...


'nuff said.

Caine

cajunvike
07-12-2006, 04:48 PM
I picked the Singer option! :sign5:

IN HIS DREAMS!!!

purplepat
07-12-2006, 05:04 PM
Generally, I think the notion that Brad is fragile is a myth. He had some problems with the Vikings back in late 97-early 98 that got him that rep here, but he's largely been healthy the rest of his career. He may have gotten benched a few times, but I don't think he's missed more than about 3-4 games due to injury since the 98 season.

Jackson won't be able to do enough of anything right to take Johnson's job on merit this season, and probably next as well. McMahon is crap. The only way Johnson comes out is if he is hurt.

Arm strength is very overrated. This isn't the "bombs away" Vikings any more. He will need to prove he can throw deep, but it isn't as if he will have to do it four times a game. As long as he can find the open man, the Vikings offense should do "reasonably" well if the line provides any sort of blocking at all.

purpleFavreEaters
07-12-2006, 05:10 PM
Whats the fn point of even bringing this topic up again? All everyone does on here is argue the same ideals they argued last months and the month before that and the month before that about the same thing. Nobody every listens to facts on this sight every one is just all about speculation. If you want to argue about BJ some more just pull up one of the old threads about it, this is starting to get as bad all the the 1 million Daunte threads.

CrazyVikingsFan
07-12-2006, 05:15 PM
I dont see how Brad can get injured figuring that he cant get touched!!! :thumbleft:

Prophet
07-12-2006, 05:16 PM
"purpleFavreEaters" wrote:

Whats the fn point of even bringing this topic up again? All everyone does on here is argue the same ideals they argued last months and the month before that and the month before that about the same thing. Nobody every listens to facts on this sight every one is just all about speculation. If you want to argue about BJ some more just pull up one of the old threads about it, this is starting to get as bad all the the 1 million Daunte threads.

It's the same thing every offseason. Groundhog day with a repeating cycle of threads. Probably has something to do with new members bringing up the obvious topics that people are interested in discussing and not knowing there are dozens of threads discussing this already. Put that in combination with our minds deteriorating during the offseason and this is what you get.

We are in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/callingtheshots/images/groundhog_day.jpg

for at least another month. There is no escape.

sunny
07-12-2006, 05:26 PM
I see him starting 19 games this year and winning the final one of the season :wink:

Keep the faith brothers.

Del Rio
07-12-2006, 05:49 PM
"purpleFavreEaters" wrote:

Whats the fn point of even bringing this topic up again? All everyone does on here is argue the same ideals they argued last months and the month before that and the month before that about the same thing. Nobody every listens to facts on this sight every one is just all about speculation. If you want to argue about BJ some more just pull up one of the old threads about it, this is starting to get as bad all the the 1 million Daunte threads.

The only thing worse then groundhog day threads is people who bitch about it every time it comes up.

It's pretty simple we have new members here all the time. If it stresses you out that they bring up old subjects, if it frustrates you just pass them by.

That's what is cool about message boards, most threads have a title. If you read the title or even the first post and realize it is the same old story you move along to something that interests you. Pretty easy.

Bitching about it is pointless. That's like bitching at a 7 year old for not knowing how to do math because you taught his dad, and his grandpa, and his great grandpa. Some of these topics are fresh for the new people or people who didn't have the chance to hash through them before.

V-Unit
07-12-2006, 06:28 PM
If TJ starts at all during this season, something went terribly wrong.

Braddock
07-12-2006, 06:50 PM
"baumy300" wrote:

I don't think he will either be healthy enough, or effective enough to play the whole season.

Nothing against him. He has had a great career, but in his later years his arm has dropped to that of a pop warner QB.

He can read a D as good as Jesus, but when he can't throw the ball farther than 20 yards, we are going to have problems.

Does anyone else think letting him start the season and then throwing Tarvaris in the mix later on is a good idea?

I'm all for it. If Jackson is out QB of the future, the best way to teach him is by experience.

Share your thoughts.

Yes, but can he turn water into wine? ok... guess so. How about heal the....darn it he can that too. Wait a minute...... is he actually Jesus? Needs investigating. I'm on it!! *Theme music*

I think he'll start the whole year and we should only throw T-JACK in when we have an extremely comfortable lead. If he holds his own a couple of games, and BJ is worn out, and we are either solidly in or out of the playoffs, then give him some starts. I'd rather see some young gun play and learn than give it to any of the other guys. I respect those guys (McMahon, O'Sul) but the faster we groom T-Jack, the better. BJ won't last forever.

Displaced_Viking
07-12-2006, 06:52 PM
"Del Rio" wrote:

Revamped offensive line..........check.

Pro Bowl FB known for his ability to block..............check.

If you think Brad Childress brought in all this talent for protection instead of spending that money on a free agent QB which there were tons for the purpose of starting an unproven rookie that wasn't even projected in the 1st round then your fooling yourself.

This offense has been built around brad and for brad. Childress wants to win and win now. Tavaris is here to learn from Brad.

Next season? That is a different story.

I think Del Rio has a great point. I was really stoked when I heard we got Tony Richardson at FB. I think our pass protection will be above average at least, which will keep Brad Johnson healthy...

Braddock
07-12-2006, 07:04 PM
Why are we still hated by all the press even after we make some great deals (i.e Richardson, Hutchinson). I mean come on.... They just glance over it. "Yes the Vikes had a strong offseason, BUT they suck" Why? I want to rip the face off of every sports analyst who does that....which is everyone of them.

Big C
07-12-2006, 07:28 PM
If I am not mistaken:

John Elway won his first super bowl when he was 37.
John Elway won his second super bowl when he was 38.
Brett Favre took the Pack to the playoffs when he was 35 and 36.

He will finish the season. After all he played 9 games last season with a REALLY BAD offensive line.

Mr. Purple
07-12-2006, 07:35 PM
"Big C" wrote:

If I am not mistaken:

John Elway won his first super bowl when he was 37.
John Elway won his second super bowl when he was 38.
Brett Favre took the Pack to the playoffs when he was 35 and 36.

He will finish the season. After all he played 9 games last season with a REALLY BAD offensive line.


Wow great post man. Like Del also said...this team is built around Brad and built well.Imagine what we're capable of if we finally find are running game.Which I think we have with the additions of Hutch,Richardson, and Taylor.We where a very lucky team to get him last offseason.

coreyd
07-12-2006, 07:41 PM
If I had to give an award to someone who has quality posts each and every time it would be DEL RIO!! I love reading your posts man. I dont always agree, but you always make a good point.

His posts are the kind that keep me coming back. Well, Cajun to, but for different reasons. lol

Keep it up brother!!

coreyd
07-12-2006, 07:46 PM
Brad Johnson is an old time qb. He believes in leading his team. He believes in chemistry. He believes in staying in the pocket and getting laid on his arse if he has to pick up 3 yards.

I say he will make it the entire season. He is tough. He is durable. He believes that his role is the leadership role to "lead" the team. He doesnt gripe about a paycheck. He doesnt whine about his wide outs. He makes it work. And what needs fixing, he fixes.

The only thing this guy wants is to play as a starting qb, and he deserves that role. Whether it is with us, the bucs, or whoever, the guy can play. He might not be the guy to throw a 90 bomb, but he is the type to stay in the trenches to make good sound plays.

The jersey I am buying this year is B. Johnson's. He is the man in my book!

Potus2028
07-12-2006, 08:18 PM
That's right. He may be old, but remember, Joh Elway was in his 16th season before he won a Superbowl! I'm not saying BJ will get us there, but there is no doubt in my mind he'll make it an entire year. And he'll do it w/o throwing nearly as many intereceptions as fellow old time qb Favre will.

marshallvike
07-12-2006, 08:52 PM
"Ltrey33" wrote:

I really don't know, but I think the protection will be good enough that he won't have much of an opportunity to be injured. I also think his lack of arm strength is overblown. I really think he can still throw the deep ball adequately. He might not be a great deep passer, but he wouldn't be in the NFL anymore if he couldn't get it there.
agreed. he can still throw deep enough if he sees the opportunity. anyway who's he going to throw deep to?

marshallvike
07-12-2006, 08:53 PM
"purpleFavreEaters" wrote:

Whats the fn point of even bringing this topic up again? All everyone does on here is argue the same ideals they argued last months and the month before that and the month before that about the same thing. Nobody every listens to facts on this sight every one is just all about speculation. If you want to argue about BJ some more just pull up one of the old threads about it, this is starting to get as bad all the the 1 million Daunte threads.
we've got nothing better to do until camp opens.

thetrenches68OL
07-12-2006, 09:12 PM
i think he will unless he is injured or does bad

Zeus
07-12-2006, 09:49 PM
"baumy300" wrote:

I don't think he will either be healthy enough, or effective enough to play the whole season.

Nothing against him. He has had a great career, but in his later years his arm has dropped to that of a pop warner QB.

He can read a D as good as Jesus, but when he can't throw the ball farther than 20 yards, we are going to have problems.

Does anyone else think letting him start the season and then throwing Tarvaris in the mix later on is a good idea?

I'm all for it. If Jackson is out QB of the future, the best way to teach him is by experience.

Share your thoughts.

Giving Tarvaris Jackson any playing time this season would be the worst possible thing towards his future. He simply cannot be ready to play in the NFL after a career in Div I-AA.

=Z=

Potus2028
07-12-2006, 10:55 PM
"marshallvike" wrote:

"purpleFavreEaters" wrote:

Whats the fn point of even bringing this topic up again? All everyone does on here is argue the same ideals they argued last months and the month before that and the month before that about the same thing. Nobody every listens to facts on this sight every one is just all about speculation. If you want to argue about BJ some more just pull up one of the old threads about it, this is starting to get as bad all the the 1 million Daunte threads.
we've got nothing better to do until camp opens.

thats true..
like in vietnam.. the waiting is the hard part

cc21
07-12-2006, 10:59 PM
"Del Rio" wrote:

"purpleFavreEaters" wrote:

Whats the fn point of even bringing this topic up again? All everyone does on here is argue the same ideals they argued last months and the month before that and the month before that about the same thing. Nobody every listens to facts on this sight every one is just all about speculation. If you want to argue about BJ some more just pull up one of the old threads about it, this is starting to get as bad all the the 1 million Daunte threads.

The only thing worse then groundhog day threads is people who beeyatch about it every time it comes up.

It's pretty simple we have new members here all the time. If it stresses you out that they bring up old subjects, if it frustrates you just pass them by.

That's what is cool about message boards, most threads have a title. If you read the title or even the first post and realize it is the same old story you move along to something that interests you. Pretty easy.

Bitching about it is pointless. That's like bitching at a 7 year old for not knowing how to do math because you taught his dad, and his grandpa, and his great grandpa. Some of these topics are fresh for the new people or people who didn't have the chance to hash through them before.haha omg, laying down the law del! :lol:

singersp
07-13-2006, 02:50 AM
"baumy300" wrote:

He can read a D as good as Jesus, but when he can't throw the ball farther than 20 yards, we are going to have problems.


:scratch: How do you know that Jesus knows how to read a defense?

singersp
07-13-2006, 02:52 AM
"cajunvike" wrote:

I picked the Singer option! :sign5:

IN HIS DREAMS!!!

You & 7 other people! LOL!

I didn't vote yet, since I have no Idea what she looks like.

She's probably to old for me anyways. :wink:

BadlandsVikings
07-13-2006, 02:58 AM
As long as his line protects him, he will start the whole year.

fromos
07-13-2006, 03:40 PM
"singersp" wrote:

"baumy300" wrote:

He can read a D as good as Jesus, but when he can't throw the ball farther than 20 yards, we are going to have problems.


:scratch: How do you know that Jesus knows how to read a defense?

Only Jesus, and Brad Johnson can catch their own touchdown pass :wink:

Marrdro
07-13-2006, 03:42 PM
Don't forget that we arent chucking the deep ball anymore. That is Denny Greens offense, not the Brad Childress Version of the WC offense. Only need to throw a deep ball (30 yds) a few times a game.

BloodyHorns82
07-13-2006, 03:43 PM
"fromos" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"baumy300" wrote:

He can read a D as good as Jesus, but when he can't throw the ball farther than 20 yards, we are going to have problems.


:scratch: How do you know that Jesus knows how to read a defense?

Only Jesus, and Brad Johnson can catch their own touchdown pass :wink:

That was awesome when he caught his own pass! It kind of bounced right back into his chest. That was one of the first Vikings games I ever went to.

singersp
07-13-2006, 11:34 PM
"fromos" wrote:

"singersp" wrote:

"baumy300" wrote:

He can read a D as good as Jesus, but when he can't throw the ball farther than 20 yards, we are going to have problems.


:scratch: How do you know that Jesus knows how to read a defense?

Only Jesus, and Brad Johnson can catch their own touchdown pass :wink:

Well I've never seen Jesus catch a ball nor throw one, have you?

And that still doesn't answer my original question of "How do you know that Jesus knows how to read a defense?" :grin:

i_bleed_purple
07-13-2006, 11:42 PM
mark my words, unless he gets injured, he will never get benched. they will not put in TJ, even if he does go down. i would rather have favre back there slinging 29 INT's then putting TJ in. he's definetially not ready, considering he was supposed to be a 6th round pick. i wouldn't even put in vince young or lienart if we had them. McMahon gets the nod here.

as to whoever said that BJ is a better QB now then he was 5 years ago. that should be obvious. when he was a viking before, he was garbage. he couldn't make a good decision, and when he did, he didn't have the arm to get the ball there. he was one of those late bloomers like rich gannon (also another viking in his early days, before he got any good). his arm isn't that bad, he can get the ball there on a deep pass. now were all used to watching pep throw 70 yard bombs, and that just won't happen with BJ, but he's more than adaquate at the QB position

singersp
07-14-2006, 12:24 AM
I keep hearing fans saying "They won't put in T-Jack, he's not ready. He won't be ready for a couple of years".

I think I'll just rely on when Childress decides he's ready & not some couch coaches. :wink:

nephilimstorm
07-14-2006, 12:27 AM
I go with Singersp on this one, agreed