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rkuriger04
08-17-2004, 02:40 PM
i honestly dont think the guys very good....he shows up at the right time get an interception...if u saw all of his picks u would see he didnt have to do much....my thoughts r...trade him while the nfl thinks hes good get a better safety or even a draft pick and start tyrone carter.

outcast316
08-17-2004, 02:46 PM
I tend to disagree. I think Russell is a smart player like Chavous and together they make one of the better saftey tamdums in the league.

However, I think that some would agree with you. He has not been signed to a long term contract and during camp Tice said that Carter could push or possilby even win the starting Job from Russell.

Lets see how it plays out this year.

bigdogbovy
08-17-2004, 02:50 PM
Russell is smart and oportunistic. He is working on his open field tackling. I think that Carter could challenge him for the job, bu tI wouldn;t trade him yet

whackthepack
08-17-2004, 03:10 PM
I think we need all the help bakc there we can get so don't trade him and hope that they can push each other to new heights.

vikes_ova_everyone
08-17-2004, 03:18 PM
I think the reason why he was always in the right spot was becuase he knows where the ball is going he makes other big plays besides interceptions and i believe he brings great personality to the vikes and i see no reason why they would want to get rid of him ne time soon

TheFloridianVikingFan
08-17-2004, 04:23 PM
i agree vikesovaeveryone...

Big Daddy
08-17-2004, 05:40 PM
"rkuriger04" wrote:

....he shows up at the right time get an interception...if u saw all of his picks u would see he didnt have to do much.....

Ugh..... isn't that kinda his job? If he was out of position or getting burned on the play he wouldn't of had that many INTs. Don't we want our safties getting INTs? Also you have to remember that it was his FIRST year as a starter.

BigEasyViking
08-17-2004, 08:01 PM
"rkuriger04" wrote:

i honestly dont think the guys very good....he shows up at the right time get an interception...if u saw all of his picks u would see he didnt have to do much....my thoughts r...trade him while the nfl thinks hes good get a better safety or even a draft pick and start tyrone carter.

You know, you are entitled to your opinion and everything but 87 tackles and 9 interceptions is not luck. Sure some his interceptions were gifts, but if you look at the other interception leaders' int's I'm sure you would find that all of them got some gifts. Keep in mind that this is only Russell's 4th year in the league and I see big things from him.

hawaiianvike21
08-17-2004, 08:41 PM
I have highlights of russels and chavous' picks and only 3 of russels picks were the gift type picks where it was deflected in the air and caught by him. The rest were all him.

Didnt russel play baseball as well?? Maybe thats why he can catch.

purplepat
08-17-2004, 09:00 PM
There's a lot to be said for being where (or near where) the ball is thrown. That isn't luck, that is skill. Russell has some flaws in his game (that hopefully he is improving on), but he's a hard tackler and bigger than Carter.

In my mind, Russell is the man. Period.

hovan
08-17-2004, 09:01 PM
I dissagree as well, the kid is the best thing we have had back there since Browner, LET HIM PLAY!!!! :salute:

magicci
08-17-2004, 09:20 PM
Just a funny memory you guys remember the int. that bounced off on of the cb's heads and i think(correct me if i'm wrong) Russel came up with the int. right before half time against the 49's (i think) and lateralled it back to the guy it bouced off of that was a funny play....LOL

muchluv4smoot
08-17-2004, 11:07 PM
First off all, russell has absolutely no trade value at all. Why would anyone give us a decent player or a decent draft pick, when we just got done giving him a one year contract for the minimum? Second, why would we want to get rid of russell and start carter, who is much much worse?

Like everyone said, it is a safety's job to be in the right place at the right time, and get int's. If russell is lucky, then every other good FS in the league is lucky too.

I am not gona call the guy one of the better safeties in the league just yet, but if he continues to get better, he will be, in a few years. The guy has only started for one year, give the guy a chance.

magicci
08-17-2004, 11:23 PM
yeah he is still learning the position he used to be a QB in college

rkuriger04
08-18-2004, 03:00 AM
u hafta think a good chunk or russells 87 tackles came against receivers meanin he blew coverage and allowed them to catch the ball

rkuriger04
08-18-2004, 03:07 AM
and need i mention hes one of the defenders who was supposed to be tight on nathan poole

casper
08-18-2004, 03:54 AM
"whackthepack" wrote:

I think we need all the help bakc there we can get so don't trade him and hope that they can push each other to new heights.

I agree with you Whack keep him, let them push each other to new heights and see what come of it...who knows it could become and great rivalry to have going on during the season

hawaiianvike21
08-18-2004, 05:05 AM
"magicci" wrote:

Just a funny memory you guys remember the int. that bounced off on of the cb's heads and i think(correct me if i'm wrong) Russel came up with the int. right before half time against the 49's (i think) and lateralled it back to the guy it bouced off of that was a funny play....LOL

NO it was the atlanta game, where the ball bounced off of brian williams head during the fourth quarter and russell picked it off only to lateral it back to willams setting up a field goal. I have that on a remix viking highlight.

purplepat
08-18-2004, 08:26 AM
"rkuriger04" wrote:

u hafta think a good chunk or russells 87 tackles came against receivers meanin he blew coverage and allowed them to catch the ball

Look, no one is going to call Russell a "shutdown safety". And a large part of a safety's game is covering a third receiver (TE, slot WR), or helping out with coverage on a #1 or #2 receiver.

But if Russell, or any other safety, were that adept at pass coverage skills, they would be cornerbacks, not safeties. Safeties (sp?) primarily provide run support, deep pass support, and are the last line of defense when the ballcarrier gets past the second level (linebackers). I would guess that if you look at what you consider "elite safeties", you'll see that they have a high number of tackles as well. Are you going to say that their pass coverage skills suck? And safeties are usually a bit heavier than cornerbacks, because they have a greater role in run support and covering big receivers like TEs. That usually means they will be slower than your average CB.

Paul Krause is in the Hall of Fame, having picked off more passes than any other player in NFL history. He was a free safety. Free safeties are often said to play "center field", which means that their coverage responsibilities are more limited, that they are supposed to play the ball. Krause wasn't known as a devastating tackler or even a great one-on-one cover guy. Krause's reputation was for being in the right place at the right time. I really see Russell as being a harder hitting version of Krause. By the way, Krause was also a QB in college.

As far as that Nathan Poole play, I would have liked to see someone have clocked Poole before the ball was thrown as that apparently would have been legal once McCown rolled out of the pocket. But the ball was perfectly thrown, requiring a "getting the toes down" catch for the TD. Maybe, if Russell was at fault at all on that play, it was for pushing Poole and causing the ref to make a judgement call that Poole would have gotten both feet in if not pushed. Of course, a DBs instinct is to hit the receiver to jar the ball loose, and the ref might have just as easily ruled that the receiver would not have come down in bounds. I think the ref made the right call, you have to give the benefit of the doubt to the receiver on a play that close.

UkViking
08-18-2004, 12:40 PM
I rate Russell and i think his game will keep improving. He is a good"reader " of the game he is a good judge of the oppositions play. :salute:

whackthepack
08-18-2004, 01:59 PM
"rkuriger04" wrote:

i honestly dont think the guys very good....he shows up at the right time get an interception...if u saw all of his picks u would see he didnt have to do much....my thoughts r...trade him while the nfl thinks hes good get a better safety or even a draft pick and start tyrone carter.


Are you a packer fan in disguise, are you Pukemanxxxi or Texpack, or maybe you are Tyrone Carter trying to drum-up support. :scratch:

magicci
08-18-2004, 03:32 PM
if someone would have done passing interference and poole didn't even toych the ball than would the vikings have one because there was no time left to do another play?

dan3ski
08-18-2004, 04:16 PM
I like smart players they are the ones that make a difference on the field as they usually provide leadrship!

purplepat
08-18-2004, 05:21 PM
"magicci" wrote:

if someone would have done passing interference and poole didn't even toych the ball than would the vikings have one because there was no time left to do another play?

Terrible spelling but that is beside the point.

If Pass Interference had been called against the Vikings (on Poole in the end zone), even if the clock ran out, the Cardinals would have gotten one more play with the ball at the Vikings 1 yard line.

I recently read somewhere though that if the QB runs out of the pocket, then the defenders are allowed to hit (as in a legal block) receivers as the assumption is that the QB is going to run with the ball. However, if the QB throws the ball and the receiver is hit after the ball is thrown, then pass interference would be called.