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whackthepack
08-17-2004, 01:33 PM
Favre has had an outstanding career! Should he be listed in the top 10 QB's of all time?

My answer is no. He came in 14th on my list (sorry to the Packer fans), if he would have been a Viking probably would have loved him but he played for the Pack so I can look at him realistically.

Top 10 QB's of all time!

1) Joe Montana
2) Terry Bradshaw
3) Johnny Unitas
4) John Elway
5) Sammy Baugh
6) Dan Marino
7) Bob Griese
8) Bart Starr (for you packer fans)
9) Roger Staubach
10) Otto Graham

rest of my list to Favre
11) Ken Stabler
12) Fran Tarkenton :cheers:
13) Dan Fouts
14) Brett Favre

jackyl
08-17-2004, 01:37 PM
I think yes. Rings, MVPs, Hasn't missed a start. That type of consistency (from that position especially) is extremely rare.

tlk23
08-17-2004, 01:38 PM
Terry Bradshaw had a lot of Hall of Famers around him and a great defense. It would be interesting to see what another QB would have done for the Steelers.

tlk23
08-17-2004, 01:43 PM
Hey jackyl, what is with the Cowboys star for your logo on your profile?

dart18
08-17-2004, 01:52 PM
yes he is a top 10

whackthepack
08-17-2004, 01:56 PM
Jackyl

most of these guys had ring or rings and a lot were MVP's, and Favre probably hurt the Pack 2 years ago playing when he palyed with his broken thumb, when he should have been on the bench (had to keep that streak alive tho).

Jackyl: Put your list up and see where you have him!

Bradshaw made a lot of the Steelers Pro-bowlers and hall of famers.
The man was a great QB, 4 rings baby!

jackyl
08-17-2004, 02:04 PM
"tlk23" wrote:

Hey jackyl, what is with the Cowboys star for your logo on your profile?

I'm a Cowboy's fan who just happens to live in Eden Prairie and know a bunch of the Vikings. So I follow them and hope they do well except when the play the Cowboys. :rr:

bigdogbovy
08-17-2004, 02:09 PM
Top 10 QB's of all time! My list. For all you fran doubters out there you must not have seen him. 14 games seasons. Rushing yards only steve young and cunningham have more(both 16 game QBs)

1) Fran Tarkenton (held every passing record for years even after the change to 16 game seasons)
2) Dan Marino (holds Most of them now)
3) Joe Montana
4) John Elway
5) Brett Favre
6) Johnny Unitas
7) Terry Bradshaw
8) Bart Starr
9) Roger Staubach
10) Sammy Baugh

jackyl
08-17-2004, 02:09 PM
My 10

1) John Elway
2) Johnny Unitas
3) Joe Montana
4) Dan Marino
5) Brett Favre
6) Terry Bradshaw
7) Bob Griese
7) Bart Starr
9) Roger Staubach
10) Troy Aikman

whackthepack
08-17-2004, 03:40 PM
I had Troy 15th Behind Favre but he could have been higher, there has been alot of good QB's over the last 70 years.

I had broadway (willy) Joe Namath as the 18th best!

jackyl
08-17-2004, 03:45 PM
"whackthepack" wrote:

I had Troy 15th Behind Favre but he could have been higher, there has been alot of good QB's over the last 70 years.

I had broadway (willy) Joe Namath as the 18th best!

There has been a ton of good QB's. I hated Elway growing up. It wasn't till the late 90's at the end of his career that I realized just how damn good he was.

RandyMoss8404
08-17-2004, 04:13 PM
1) Joe Montana
2)John Elway
3) Dan Marino
4) Johnny Unitas

5. Brett Favre
6.) Fran Tarkenton (Yeah, I said it)

7.)Warren Moon
8.) Terry Bradshaw
9.) Bart Starr
10.) Bob Griese

bigdogbovy
08-17-2004, 04:34 PM
Man, The disrespect for Fran here must be due to youth.

<------ can only shake his head in disgust.

sdvikefan
08-17-2004, 05:39 PM
I would also put Bart Starr ahead of Favre, just as I would put Tarkenton, Unitas, Graham, etc. ahead of him. Sorry but QBs just had it tougher back then and for a QB to put up the kind of numbers that those guys did, they had to be really good. QBs got hit harder by defenses and they had it tougher in the passing game because there was no 5-yard bump rule. Offensive linemen also had more restrictions on how they could block. And in spite of all that those guys did an amazing job.

Favre is a great QB but he's no top 10 of all time. Starr is though.

BigEasyViking
08-17-2004, 08:05 PM
I would really have to disagree with you Whack! Favre isn't only a top ten QB of all time, but is a top five. I mean even though we don't have to like Favre, he is an outstanding QB and at the end of his carreer his stats will show as they do now, that he is one of the best the play the game at his position. Stats don't lie.

bigdogbovy
08-17-2004, 08:30 PM
People Fran was nearly a 60% completions passer before the WCO. It was unheard of to be that accurate!

purplepat
08-17-2004, 08:46 PM
There are some pretty good names on the lists you guys have posted. It is subjective; the game has changed A LOT over the past 50 years. Guys like Unitas and Tarkenton put up fabulous numbers when the game was all about 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

All in all, in my subjective opinion, Favre HAS TO be one of the top 10 of all time. If he had the kind of defense around him that Terry Bradshaw had, Favre would have six or seven rings right now.

Personally, I don't think either Griese or Aikman belong in the top 10. Both are good QBs, but it was the strength of their teams running games and defenses that allowed them to succeed.

No love for Jim Kelly? Is that just because he was 0-4 in the Super Bowl? Good to see at least one person mentioned Warren Moon; he deserves consideration.

hovan
08-17-2004, 08:58 PM
:bootyshake:

Sad but he probably is!

I never saw Starr and the older ones play. Montana was the most Clutch, Marino had the quickest release, Elway had Guts, and Favre had the wickedest Rocket Ball I have ever seen. :argue:

so-cal vike
08-17-2004, 09:28 PM
He could easily be in the top 10 of all time, and rightfully should be. He has had quite an impressive career. I don't believe he makes the top 5 though, not of all time.

whackthepack
08-17-2004, 09:44 PM
"BigEasyViking" wrote:

I would really have to disagree with you Whack! Favre isn't only a top ten QB of all time, but is a top five. I mean even though we don't have to like Favre, he is an outstanding QB and at the end of his carreer his stats will show as they do now, that he is one of the best the play the game at his position. Stats don't lie.


Stats are great but that would mean that Marino and Tark would be the greatest of all time, but Montana had guts and a skill to read a defense like nobody else. Favre is a great QB, but there is a lot of them and he is not top 10 in my opinion.
Favre also had a lot of problems with reading a defense and with trying to hard to make a play and throwing up ducks for grabs, does he have the strongest arm ever (probably) but that alone does not make him the greatest (would I loved to have him as a Viking, damn straight).

magicci
08-17-2004, 09:46 PM
as long as none of the mannings or gannon ever end up in this list in the future i'm happy

so-cal vike
08-17-2004, 10:02 PM
"magicci" wrote:

as long as none of the mannings or gannon ever end up in this list in the future i'm happyI don't know about the Mannings, but don't you worry Magicci, Gannon will NEVER make the top 10 15, or 20 list.

Bohunk
08-17-2004, 10:10 PM
I think Eli will surpass his older brother in just a few years. From what I saw of him in college, he seems to have poise on the field beyond his years and can throw pinpoint beauties.

muchluv4smoot
08-17-2004, 11:56 PM
Two words, "HELL YEAH". As much as some of you guys might hate favre, his is without a doubt a top 10 QB. One thing that should not be overlooked, is his streak of starts. That is absolutely amazing and is a factor in comparing QB's. I bet that you won't find an NFL expert, that would say favre isn't top 10, and most would even put him top 5.

purplepat
08-18-2004, 08:44 AM
"muchluv4moss" wrote:

Two words, "HELL YEAH". As much as some of you guys might hate favre, his is without a doubt a top 10 QB. One thing that should not be overlooked, is his streak of starts. That is absolutely amazing and is a factor in comparing QB's. I bet that you won't find an NFL expert, that would say favre isn't top 10, and most would even put him top 5.

And another thing...I don't think the Packers have ever had a losing season under Favre. Someone should check this out. I'd venture to say that Favre's W-L record as a QB is probably in the top five all time.

bigdogbovy
08-18-2004, 12:33 PM
No doubt Farve is top 10. But Tark is the man!!!!!!!!!

fan4favre
08-18-2004, 01:48 PM
Favre's worst season was 8-8. As for his ability to read defenses he is excellent at it. The problem is he feels that he can zip any pass into triple coverage and complete it.

VKG4LFE
08-18-2004, 02:42 PM
Unfortunately Favre is probabaly a top 10 QB of all time, and he isn't even done yet (unfortunatley). I hate Favre as much as the next viking fan, but you still have to give props when they are due and Favre will most likely end up in the top 5 of all time!!

Number one of all time forever: Joe Montana!!

LosAngelis
08-26-2004, 11:34 AM
Interesting...we've kind of talked about the "greatest QB of all time"in other threads.

I would place Favre near the mid-bottom of the top ten.

1) Montana (no doubt)

2) Johnny Unitas
3) John Elway
4) Dan Marino

5) Terry Bradshaw (purely on championships won)
6) Brett Favre
7) Roger Staubach
8) Fran Tarkenton
9) Dan Fouts
10) Sammy Baugh

I think the tough thing is that Favre's career isn't over. If he finishes like Elway with a ring (cue wailing and gnashing of teeth from Viking fans), I think he moves into the next tier. If he finishes like Dan Marino, he moves down closer to the bottom of the top ten.

muchluv4smoot
08-27-2004, 11:45 AM
"LosAngelis" wrote:

Interesting...we've kind of talked about the "greatest QB of all time"in other threads.

I would place Favre near the mid-bottom of the top ten.

1) Montana (no doubt)

2) Johnny Unitas
3) John Elway
4) Dan Marino

5) Terry Bradshaw (purely on championships won)
6) Brett Favre
7) Roger Staubach
8) Fran Tarkenton
9) Dan Fouts
10) Sammy Baugh

I think the tough thing is that Favre's career isn't over. If he finishes like Elway with a ring (cue wailing and gnashing of teeth from Viking fans), I think he moves into the next tier. If he finishes like Dan Marino, he moves down closer to the bottom of the top ten.



I'm biting my tongue LA, so we don't get into the montana vs marino debate again.

LosAngelis
08-27-2004, 03:52 PM
"muchluv4moss" wrote:


I'm biting my tongue LA, so we don't get into the montana vs marino debate again.

Oh, muchluv...I have Marino in the second tier of QB's with Elway and Unitas. I have him above FAVRE! How much more love can I give him????

muchluv4smoot
08-27-2004, 04:11 PM
"LosAngelis" wrote:

"muchluv4moss" wrote:


I'm biting my tongue LA, so we don't get into the montana vs marino debate again.

Oh, muchluv...I have Marino in the second tier of QB's with Elway and Unitas. I have him above FAVRE! How much more love can I give him????


Dude, your making it tough on me, but I'm still gonna bite my tongue on this one.

Welcome back by the way. I had a good private arguement with the almighty patty on the same damn topic that you and I were argueing with her when you left. She just can't give it up. I won though and I think she finally gave up.

whackthepack
08-27-2004, 04:24 PM
"muchluv4moss" wrote:

"LosAngelis" wrote:

"muchluv4moss" wrote:


I'm biting my tongue LA, so we don't get into the montana vs marino debate again.

Oh, muchluv...I have Marino in the second tier of QB's with Elway and Unitas. I have him above FAVRE! How much more love can I give him????


Dude, your making it tough on me, but I'm still gonna bite my tongue on this one.

Welcome back by the way. I had a good private arguement with the almighty patty on the same damn topic that you and I were argueing with her when you left. She just can't give it up. I won though and I think she finally gave up.


Sorry Muchluv, I have seen both their stats but stats are not everything. Montana had something that I have never seen in another QB and have to agree with Los he is the best of all time.

muchluv4smoot
08-27-2004, 04:34 PM
"whackthepack" wrote:

"muchluv4moss" wrote:

"LosAngelis" wrote:

"muchluv4moss" wrote:
[quote]
I'm biting my tongue LA, so we don't get into the montana vs marino debate again.

Oh, muchluv...I have Marino in the second tier of QB's with Elway and Unitas. I have him above FAVRE! How much more love can I give him????


Dude, your making it tough on me, but I'm still gonna bite my tongue on this one.

Welcome back by the way. I had a good private arguement with the almighty patty on the same damn topic that you and I were argueing with her when you left. She just can't give it up. I won though and I think she finally gave up.


Sorry Muchluv, I have seen both their stats but stats are not everything. Montana had something that I have never seen in another QB and have to agree with Los he is the best of all time.[/quote


Please man, I have already had this arguement and it used up way too much of my time. Lets not get into it.

Del Rio
08-27-2004, 04:38 PM
YARDS COMPLETIONS TD's
1. Dan Marino 61,361 Dan Marino 4,967 Dan Marino 420
2. John Elway 51,475 J John Elway 4,123 Fran Tarkenton 342
3. Warren Moon 49,247 Warren Moon 3,985 Brett Favre 314
4. Fran Tarkenton 47,003 Fran Tarkenton 3,686 John Elway 300
5. Dan Fouts 43,040 Brett Favre 3,652 Warren Moon 291
6. Brett Favre 42,285 Joe Montana 3,409 Johnny Unitas 290
7. Joe Montana 40,551 Dan Fouts 3,297 Joe Montana 273
8. Johnny Unitas 40,239 Vinny Testaverde 3,211 Dave Krieg 261
9. Vinny Testave 39,558 Dave Krieg 3,105 Sonny Jurgensen 255
10. Dave Krieg 38,151 Boomer Esiason 2,969 Dan Fouts 254


Obviously #'s aren't everything. But I think it is safe to say:
Tarkenton
Marino
Montana
Favre
Elway

Are all top ten.

But lists like this are arbitrary. Atheletes get faster, stronger, and the game has changed a lot since then. So my numero uno is gonna have to be Tarkenton!

He made best of what he had and in a time of smack your mouth, grab your reciever, head butt your ass to the ground he prevailed.

Everyone else that ranks up there with his records are somewhat new age football players. Well at least none of them started in 1961 like he did :P

Viking_Spirit
08-27-2004, 04:47 PM
Del Rio, is the guy in your atvar by any chance a member of Tenacious D?

packmanxxxi
08-27-2004, 05:47 PM
"Del Rio" wrote:

YARDS COMPLETIONS TD's
1. Dan Marino 61,361 Dan Marino 4,967 Dan Marino 420
2. John Elway 51,475 J John Elway 4,123 Fran Tarkenton 342
3. Warren Moon 49,247 Warren Moon 3,985 Brett Favre 314
4. Fran Tarkenton 47,003 Fran Tarkenton 3,686 John Elway 300
5. Dan Fouts 43,040 Brett Favre 3,652 Warren Moon 291
6. Brett Favre 42,285 Joe Montana 3,409 Johnny Unitas 290
7. Joe Montana 40,551 Dan Fouts 3,297 Joe Montana 273
8. Johnny Unitas 40,239 Vinny Testaverde 3,211 Dave Krieg 261
9. Vinny Testave 39,558 Dave Krieg 3,105 Sonny Jurgensen 255
10. Dave Krieg 38,151 Boomer Esiason 2,969 Dan Fouts 254


Obviously #'s aren't everything. But I think it is safe to say:
Tarkenton
Marino
Montana
Favre
Elway

Are all top ten.

But lists like this are arbitrary. Atheletes get faster, stronger, and the game has changed a lot since then. So my numero uno is gonna have to be Tarkenton!

He made best of what he had and in a time of smack your mouth, grab your reciever, head butt your ass to the ground he prevailed.

Everyone else that ranks up there with his records are somewhat new age football players. Well at least none of them started in 1961 like he did :P

Dont forget, Favre has 3 years left..... with FINALLY a good set of recivers

whackthepack
08-27-2004, 05:54 PM
Dont forget, Favre has 3 years left..... with FINALLY a good set of recivers



I keep telling you that this is it Favre is going to retire, and next year you have couch or is that ouch! :lol:

bigdogbovy
08-27-2004, 06:52 PM
"packmanxxxi" wrote:

"Del Rio" wrote:

YARDS COMPLETIONS TD's
1. Dan Marino 61,361 Dan Marino 4,967 Dan Marino 420
2. John Elway 51,475 J John Elway 4,123 Fran Tarkenton 342
3. Warren Moon 49,247 Warren Moon 3,985 Brett Favre 314
4. Fran Tarkenton 47,003 Fran Tarkenton 3,686 John Elway 300
5. Dan Fouts 43,040 Brett Favre 3,652 Warren Moon 291
6. Brett Favre 42,285 Joe Montana 3,409 Johnny Unitas 290
7. Joe Montana 40,551 Dan Fouts 3,297 Joe Montana 273
8. Johnny Unitas 40,239 Vinny Testaverde 3,211 Dave Krieg 261
9. Vinny Testave 39,558 Dave Krieg 3,105 Sonny Jurgensen 255
10. Dave Krieg 38,151 Boomer Esiason 2,969 Dan Fouts 254


Obviously #'s aren't everything. But I think it is safe to say:
Tarkenton
Marino
Montana
Favre
Elway

Are all top ten.

But lists like this are arbitrary. Atheletes get faster, stronger, and the game has changed a lot since then. So my numero uno is gonna have to be Tarkenton!

He made best of what he had and in a time of smack your mouth, grab your reciever, head butt your ass to the ground he prevailed.

Everyone else that ranks up there with his records are somewhat new age football players. Well at least none of them started in 1961 like he did :P

Dont forget, Favre has 3 years left..... with FINALLY a good set of recivers

Farve may have 3 years left, and with those 3 rec who was his favorite last year. Ahman green!!!!!??????

LosAngelis
08-27-2004, 07:07 PM
Okay, muchluv...let's compromise and be happy:

People value different things in quarterbacks. Favre's strengths are his ability to improvise, a rocket for an arm, and an incredible ability to play through injuries.

Culpepper's strengths are his amazing athletic ability and strength, and a strong arm and ability to avoid a sack since he's basically a linebacker himself.

Which is more valuable? it depends on the needs of the team, or it is just in the eye of the beholder.

You value Marino's prolific arm, his gaudy stats and records, and the fact he probably had the quickest release of any quarterback in history. If you want someone to pass a lot, he's the man.

I value Montana's ability to see the entire field and almost always make the right decision, and his incredible intangible of being a leader, ice-cold and in control, on the field.

What you value is cool. What I value is cool. As long as we both acknowledge that both quarterbacks are among the top 3 of all time, I think we're in agreement.

So....no need to bite your tongue anymore! ;-)

LosAngelis
08-27-2004, 07:10 PM
"muchluv4moss" wrote:

[
Welcome back by the way. I had a good private arguement with the almighty patty on the same damn topic that you and I were argueing with her when you left. She just can't give it up. I won though and I think she finally gave up.

I noticed a lot of warm welcomes from the admins on that site when I came back. I think perhaps that was kind of a message in itself.

muchluv4smoot
08-27-2004, 07:17 PM
"LosAngelis" wrote:

Okay, muchluv...let's compromise and be happy:

People value different things in quarterbacks. Favre's strengths are his ability to improvise, a rocket for an arm, and an incredible ability to play through injuries.

Culpepper's strengths are his amazing athletic ability and strength, and a strong arm and ability to avoid a sack since he's basically a linebacker himself.

Which is more valuable? it depends on the needs of the team, or it is just in the eye of the beholder.

You value Marino's prolific arm, his gaudy stats and records, and the fact he probably had the quickest release of any quarterback in history. If you want someone to pass a lot, he's the man.

I value Montana's ability to see the entire field and almost always make the right decision, and his incredible intangible of being a leader, ice-cold and in control, on the field.

What you value is cool. What I value is cool. As long as we both acknowledge that both quarterbacks are among the top 3 of all time, I think we're in agreement.

So....no need to bite your tongue anymore! ;-)


Now that I will agree with and now we can move on from this topic.

muchluv4smoot
08-27-2004, 07:18 PM
"LosAngelis" wrote:

"muchluv4moss" wrote:

[
Welcome back by the way. I had a good private arguement with the almighty patty on the same damn topic that you and I were argueing with her when you left. She just can't give it up. I won though and I think she finally gave up.

I noticed a lot of warm welcomes from the admins on that site when I came back. I think perhaps that was kind of a message in itself.



Yes, but did the mature Patty give you a nice welcome back? I am gonna go out on a limb and quess that she didn't.

LosAngelis
08-27-2004, 07:56 PM
She sent me a PM with the title "I Bet You Won't Read This" when I left, and I haven't. :-)

muchluv4smoot
08-27-2004, 07:58 PM
"LosAngelis" wrote:

She sent me a PM with the title "I Bet You Won't Read This" when I left, and I haven't. :-)


Good don't waste your time with her. I did and wish I hadn't. I could think of many better things I could have spent that time on, like scratching my butt. LOL

bigdogbovy
08-27-2004, 08:01 PM
"LosAngelis" wrote:

She sent me a PM with the title "I Bet You Won't Read This" when I left, and I haven't. :-)

She is like a F#$Kin' 13 year old. She is never wrong in her mind. You remeber 9th grade when everyone else was a dumb ass and you knew everything?

Patty in a nutshell. by the way I think GB canned her.

Del Rio
08-27-2004, 10:04 PM
Yeah it's Kyle from the D

whackthepack
08-28-2004, 01:51 AM
"muchluv4moss" wrote:

"LosAngelis" wrote:

She sent me a PM with the title "I Bet You Won't Read This" when I left, and I haven't. :-)


Good don't waste your time with her. I did and wish I hadn't. I could think of many better things I could have spent that time on, like scratching my butt. LOL


LMAO, that was funny Muchluv :lol: :salute: