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VikesfaninWis
05-13-2006, 04:29 PM
Defensive Depth Chart, Comments


Date: May 13, 2006

The defensive depth chart is expected to switch this weekend with the arrival of the rookies. We take a look at how it looked in April's minicamp and explain the changes that could take place throughout the summer as the rookies gain more experience and confidence.

VIKINGS DEFENSIVE DEPTH CHART
Pos. First Team Second Team Third Team
LDE: 95-Kenechi Udeze 98-Darrion Scott 91-Ray Edwards
Comments: Udeze looked like he was holding back nothing in April's minicamp, and the Vikings have an influx of talent to back him up should he regress from his impressive recovery from microfracture surgery. Undrafted rookie Jayme Mitchell will be fighting for a spot on the practice squad.
DT: 93-Kevin Williams 97-Spencer Johnson 96-C.J. Mosley
Comments: Eventually, the Vikings will have to whittle down their defensive tackles, but for their summer camps they have a nice rotation of the obvious starters in Kevin and Pat Williams and solid backups in Spencer Johnson and C.J. Mosley.
DT: 94-Pat Williams 96-C.J. Mosley 90-Eric Taylor
Comments: With strong depth at both end and tackle, Taylor was rotating inside and outside. Undrafted rookie Hopoi Manase might be fighting for a practice squad spot.
RDE: 99-Erasmus James 92-DeQuincy Scott 91-Ray Edwards
Comments: This could be the year that the Vikings' defensive line all comes together, with solid, young players and strong coaching. Edwards might have to beat out one of the Scotts for a roster spot, which means showing no signs of poor work habits.
OLB: 56-E.J. Henderson 52-Chad Greenway 54-Dontarrious Thomas
Comments: E.J. Henderson is expected to take a good number of reps at middle linebacker this weekend so the Vikings can get a good look at the rookie Greenway on the weak side. Kyle McKenize, an undrafted rookie from the University of Minnesota, offers depth.
MLB: 54-Dontarrious Thomas 58-Napoleon Harris 50-Rod Davis
Comments: This is how it looked in the first minicamp, but Henderson could end up being the starting middle linebacker if Greenway looks sharp on the weak side. Either way, Thomas, Harris and Davis probably are in a battle for one or two roster spots between them.
OLB: 51-Ben Leber 50-Rod Davis 59-Heath Farwell
Comments: All along, we've been told Leber is best suited on the strong side, but the coaches still want all of the linebackers to know all three positions.
CB: 26-Antoine Winfield 36-Dovonte Edwards 37-Dustin Fox
Comments: Winfield's spot is probably the only starting one that is guaranteed among the cornerbacks. Edwards worked outside in the first nickel defense in April, with Winfield sliding inside in nickel. Undrafted rookie Charles Gordon should push for a roster spot on the 53-man rostedr or practice squad.
FS: 42-Darren Sharper 31-Will Hunter 28-Laroni Gallishaw
Comments: With more depth at cornerback this year, Gallishaw, an undrafted rookie who made the team in 2005, saw some time at safety in April's camp. He'll have to adapt quickly if he wants a roster spot again this September.
SS: 25-Tank Williams 24-Willie Offord 20-Greg Blue
Comments: Willie Offord didn't see any full-team work in April while still recovering from last year's ACL surgery. Williams is the likely starter, but Offord could push him once healthy.
CB: 21-Fred Smoot 23-Cedric Griffin 48-Ukee Dozier
Comments: Smoot is hoping to rebound from a lackluster first year with the Vikings, but if he doesn't Griffin could be a close second if he impresses the coaches in this camp and throughout the summer. Marvin Ward, R.J. Cobbs also offers depth, and Ronyell Whitaker is in NFL Europe.

BadlandsVikings
05-13-2006, 04:38 PM
Hopefully these guys can keep the oppenets points down.

VikesfaninWis
05-13-2006, 04:44 PM
"westvirginiavikings" wrote:

Hopefully these guys can keep the oppenets points down.


No kidding.. You look at that lineup, and it looks awesome. Look at that backfield.. Winfield, Smoot, Sharper, Williams, and probably Griffin as the NB.. Wow, that is pretty impressive right there.. Along with our D-Line, and LB's... I don't want to get to confident, but man that looks good..

kyleo1967
05-13-2006, 04:50 PM
That's incredible depth! Injury won't be an excuse for that unit.

jdvike
05-13-2006, 04:53 PM
The Vikings, and good defense..when was the last time those 2 words went together.
Not since Dungy left.

i_bleed_purple
05-13-2006, 04:54 PM
i'm a little surprised that DT is starting mike. but i guess thats a good thing, because that means he outplayed EJ for the spot. i'm sure there will be lots of different rotations at LB this year. i expect greenway and harris to get alot of reps as well this season.

overall i'm excited about this defense, even more than last year. but realisticially, i don't think they'll be a strong solid untill about week 4 or 5.

VikesfaninWis
05-13-2006, 05:35 PM
"i_bleed_purple" wrote:

i'm a little surprised that DT is starting mike. but i guess thats a good thing, because that means he outplayed EJ for the spot. i'm sure there will be lots of different rotations at LB this year. i expect greenway and harris to get alot of reps as well this season.

overall i'm excited about this defense, even more than last year. but realisticially, i don't think they'll be a strong solid untill about week 4 or 5.


I believe this list is one that was made up in April's mini camp.. I don't think this lineup is etched in stone just yet.. Some of the positions are given, but some may be up for grabs.. I would say by next Monday, we will have a better understanding on who will play where..

Perch56
05-13-2006, 06:13 PM
i like it but we need greenway to start

howkings
05-13-2006, 08:14 PM
It will be interesting to see how quickly they pick up the "Tampa 2". I think they definately have the talent to be a good defense.

VikesfaninWis
05-13-2006, 08:18 PM
"howkings" wrote:

It will be interesting to see how quickly they pick up the "Tampa 2". I think they definately have the talent to be a good defense.


Sounds as if they are picking it up pretty quickly... With Tomlin there leading the way, they said he has to change his shirts a couple times before lunch break because he is sweating so much from being inside the plays.. They said he lines up as the QB in most plays.. He is a hands on type of coach which is exactly what the Vikings need.

MightyVikes12391
05-13-2006, 08:30 PM
would like to stregthen the CBS

howkings
05-13-2006, 08:32 PM
That's good to hear. With their tough early schedule, they are going to have to hit the ground running.

PurplePride80
05-13-2006, 08:58 PM
I'm really hoping that Kencehi Udeze has a breakout year.

And with Pat and Kevin up the middle, it could very well happen.

Alharrissuks91
05-13-2006, 09:13 PM
Leber, Greenway and Henderson will start plus Dustin fox is a good backup to winfield since they both went to osu

vikings_fan66
05-13-2006, 09:50 PM
"Perch56" wrote:

i like it but we need greenway to start

I definetly agree

Vikes
05-13-2006, 09:56 PM
The 'D' looks nice.

DaunteHOF
05-14-2006, 02:50 PM
That defense will hold a lot of teams down in the redzone

MaxVike
05-14-2006, 04:10 PM
I am still concerned about LB. I love Greenway, hopefully he can get in and perform quickly. DT, NH and EJ are certainly athletic enough, let's hope Timlin can get this group making plays. Rest assured, Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher would love to have the Williams' in front of them. With that D-Line, there is NO EXCUSE for shoddy LB play in '06. Step it up LBs and this will be an awesome defense!!!

Benet
05-14-2006, 04:51 PM
"MaxVike" wrote:

I am still concerned about LB. I love Greenway, hopefully he can get in and perform quickly. DT, NH and EJ are certainly athletic enough, let's hope Timlin can get this group making plays. Rest assured, Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher would love to have the Williams' in front of them. With that D-Line, there is NO EXCUSE for shoddy LB play in '06. Step it up LBs and this will be an awesome defense!!!

I agree with your point about the D-Line.. We should see our Linebackers making plays all over the field this season with that D-Line in front of them. Hopefully they can flatten Portis and Santana Moss and then carry on from there!

slinkey
05-14-2006, 05:13 PM
The D Line looks good....
Linebacker is a little weak in the middle and need some1 to step up
D Backs looks ok, interested to see what fox will do this year or if the new leadership boots him

jdvike
05-14-2006, 05:19 PM
I'm holding on to the hope that our new coaching staff can help out E.J. and D.T., to become what they appeared to be when we drafted them....see Hovan for a good example....good coaching does wonders.

Mr. Purple
05-14-2006, 05:33 PM
LB core on paper is "weak". LB core after they learn from a GOOD DC. "Supreme".

sirweeze
05-14-2006, 06:38 PM
Anyone else get kind of irritated when reading that Ray Edwards "will have to fight for a roster spot"? Why DRAFT the guy then?

slinkey
05-14-2006, 07:11 PM
sirweeze I agree....imagine if none of the second round choices deserve a spot....think they will cut them? i dont think so, political fallout you see

howkings
05-14-2006, 07:20 PM
"sirweeze" wrote:

Anyone else get kind of irritated when reading that Ray Edwards "will have to fight for a roster spot"? Why DRAFT the guy then?Players picked on the second day of the draft usually have to fight for a roster spot. Many times they get put on the practice squad and some will be cut. I believe our seventh round pick last year (Adrian Ward) was cut before the season started last year.

sirweeze
05-14-2006, 07:36 PM
"howkings" wrote:

"sirweeze" wrote:

Anyone else get kind of irritated when reading that Ray Edwards "will have to fight for a roster spot"? Why DRAFT the guy then?Players picked on the second day of the draft usually have to fight for a roster spot. Many times they get put on the practice squad and some will be cut. I believe our seventh round pick last year (Adrian Ward) was cut before the season started last year.

Seventh round is one thing, but I just don't get why Edwards was drafted at all, let alone as high as he was. Our D-line is loaded, and he apparently has mental discipline problems and taking plays off, etc. Why bother?

I agree with most others in this thread, however. I'm excited about this defense, excited to see what Leber and Greenway can do, excited to perhaps finally see Winfield make the Pro Bowl.

howkings
05-14-2006, 08:03 PM
"sirweeze" wrote:

"howkings" wrote:

"sirweeze" wrote:

Anyone else get kind of irritated when reading that Ray Edwards "will have to fight for a roster spot"? Why DRAFT the guy then?Players picked on the second day of the draft usually have to fight for a roster spot. Many times they get put on the practice squad and some will be cut. I believe our seventh round pick last year (Adrian Ward) was cut before the season started last year.

Seventh round is one thing, but I just don't get why Edwards was drafted at all, let alone as high as he was. Our D-line is loaded, and he apparently has mental discipline problems and taking plays off, etc. Why bother?

I agree with most others in this thread, however. I'm excited about this defense, excited to see what Leber and Greenway can do, excited to perhaps finally see Winfield make the Pro Bowl.He definately became a head case his junior season in college. They drafted him on his potential which is always a risk. I think they need depth on the D-line since Udeze always seems to be hurt.

sirweeze
05-14-2006, 08:07 PM
"howkings" wrote:

"sirweeze" wrote:

"howkings" wrote:

"sirweeze" wrote:

Anyone else get kind of irritated when reading that Ray Edwards "will have to fight for a roster spot"? Why DRAFT the guy then?Players picked on the second day of the draft usually have to fight for a roster spot. Many times they get put on the practice squad and some will be cut. I believe our seventh round pick last year (Adrian Ward) was cut before the season started last year.

Seventh round is one thing, but I just don't get why Edwards was drafted at all, let alone as high as he was. Our D-line is loaded, and he apparently has mental discipline problems and taking plays off, etc. Why bother?

I agree with most others in this thread, however. I'm excited about this defense, excited to see what Leber and Greenway can do, excited to perhaps finally see Winfield make the Pro Bowl.He definately became a head case his junior season in college. They drafted him on his potential which is always a risk. I think they need depth on the D-line since Udeze always seems to be hurt.

The pick really seems like one of those old Denny Green ego picks (i.e. Dimitrius Underwood), where he'll draft someone with character/motivation issues, and say "I'LL turn him around and I'll look like a GENIUS." Tigers don't change their stripes.

Not only is there that lingering with this guy, but he was a reach to boot.

howkings
05-14-2006, 08:18 PM
"sirweeze" wrote:

"howkings" wrote:

"sirweeze" wrote:

"howkings" wrote:

"sirweeze" wrote:

Anyone else get kind of irritated when reading that Ray Edwards "will have to fight for a roster spot"? Why DRAFT the guy then?Players picked on the second day of the draft usually have to fight for a roster spot. Many times they get put on the practice squad and some will be cut. I believe our seventh round pick last year (Adrian Ward) was cut before the season started last year.

Seventh round is one thing, but I just don't get why Edwards was drafted at all, let alone as high as he was. Our D-line is loaded, and he apparently has mental discipline problems and taking plays off, etc. Why bother?

I agree with most others in this thread, however. I'm excited about this defense, excited to see what Leber and Greenway can do, excited to perhaps finally see Winfield make the Pro Bowl.He definately became a head case his junior season in college. They drafted him on his potential which is always a risk. I think they need depth on the D-line since Udeze always seems to be hurt.

The pick really seems like one of those old Denny Green ego picks (i.e. Dimitrius Underwood), where he'll draft someone with character/motivation issues, and say "I'LL turn him around and I'll look like a GENIUS." Tigers don't change their stripes.

Not only is there that lingering with this guy, but he was a reach to boot.I agree with you that most coaches think they can change players which is rarely the case. On talent this guy was actually rated higher than Manny Lawson and Kamerion Wimbley (who were both drafted in the first round) in the ESPN Draft Guide.

Vikes_King
05-14-2006, 08:50 PM
hopefully it doesnt take 1/2 the season for our defense to click again this year

vike_mike
05-14-2006, 09:03 PM
I have to ask you guys something. This DeQuincy Scott guy. Don't know much about him. He is only 6'1 260 lbs. He is obviously not going to be an end for us. What if we made him lose about 8-9 lbs. Maybe we could put him at MLB, ala Teddy Brusci. What do you think? It's worth a shot as we have tried E.J. at MLB before and no matter what happens, he always misses the gap and the RB always gets more yards than he should.

Edgecrusher
05-14-2006, 09:19 PM
I want to see nap. harr at mlb, he is talented, and the only reason he didnt shine last year is because we had a shitty coaching staff, he is the fastest LB we have and most athletic at that too, and would be perfect for are cover 2 defense we are going to play.

FuadFan
05-14-2006, 09:29 PM
"Edgecrusher" wrote:

I want to see nap. harr at mlb, he is talented, and the only reason he didnt shine last year is because we had a shitty coaching staff, he is the fastest LB we have and most athletic at that too, and would be perfect for are cover 2 defense we are going to play.Thomas is far more athletic then Harris and he is the one I hope will come around in the mental aspect because he can be the best if he does.

aceclown
05-14-2006, 09:30 PM
"vike_mike" wrote:

I have to ask you guys something. This DeQuincy Scott guy. Don't know much about him. He is only 6'1 260 lbs. He is obviously not going to be an end for us. What if we made him lose about 8-9 lbs. Maybe we could put him at MLB, ala Teddy Brusci. What do you think? It's worth a shot as we have tried E.J. at MLB before and no matter what happens, he always misses the gap and the RB always gets more yards than he should.

Where are you getting this? Do you realize that while in SanDiego he played all of the D-Line positions (including DT at times, but primarily DE), and he will most definitely be playing DE for us.

Also, do you know who Robert Mathis is? He's the pass rush specialist DE from the Colts- he weighs 235 pounds.
http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=bio&player_id=190

NordicNed
05-14-2006, 11:37 PM
If last years D was just a taste of whats developing in MN for our D, I just can't wait to see what this years chaptor has hidden in the pages..

I think our D is going to be Nasty as hell and fast....

Aberration
05-15-2006, 05:32 AM
In looking at the depth chart it looks like we could have a great D. Also looks like we are going to be cutting some good players for once on that side of the ball, when was the last time that happend?

spunk_goblin
05-15-2006, 08:55 PM
Our D is looking like at top 10 defense. Oh wait, we said that last year too...

NodakPaul
05-15-2006, 08:58 PM
Last year we began by bringing in the talent. This year we brought in the coaches and rounded out the talent. I am 1000 times more optimistic about our D right now than I was at this time last year.

VikesfaninWis
05-15-2006, 09:15 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:

Last year we began by bringing in the talent. This year we brought in the coaches and rounded out the talent. I am 1000 times more optimistic about our D right now than I was at this time last year.


Agree 100%

cajunvike
05-15-2006, 09:51 PM
"FuadFan" wrote:

"Edgecrusher" wrote:

I want to see nap. harr at mlb, he is talented, and the only reason he didnt shine last year is because we had a poohie coaching staff, he is the fastest LB we have and most athletic at that too, and would be perfect for are cover 2 defense we are going to play.Thomas is far more athletic then Harris and he is the one I hope will come around in the mental aspect because he can be the best if he does.

Dontarrious runs a 4.4 40...if Nap is any faster than that, he should be playing CB. Beside, DT was the SEC Scholar-Athlete of the Year his last year in college...dude has the speed, the smarts and the pure athletic ability to kick butt in the NFL...he just needs the right coaches to point him in the right direction. His rookie year, he filled in very admirably for an injured EJ in quite a few games...that was when he knew practically nothing...before Cottrell filled his head with all sorts of useless information. The new coaches will get him straigtened out and let his natural abilities take over.

But honestly, all three candidates bring alot to the table...if ANY one of the three were to step up, I would be very happy. IF NOT, we need to bring in Donnie Edwards to show them how it's done!

spunk_goblin
05-15-2006, 10:00 PM
"VikesfaninWis" wrote:

"NodakPaul" wrote:

Last year we began by bringing in the talent. This year we brought in the coaches and rounded out the talent. I am 1000 times more optimistic about our D right now than I was at this time last year.


Agree 100%

I also agree 100%, i was just saying that we shouldnt hype it up too much, like i feel we did last year

Edgecrusher
05-17-2006, 08:47 PM
A 40 doesnt tell us nothing about a persons 2nd gear or anything about his agility, just to let you know, but DT sounds like he would be a good mid linebacker , i didnt know he was a SEC scholar-athlete, so it will pretty interesting to see who gets the mid linebacker spot, i just hope henderson doesnt get it, but if he does he must of stepped his game up A LOT!

cajunvike
05-18-2006, 01:46 AM
DT has already shown that he can be the Mike...he played some at Mike his rookie season...and looked DANG GOOD doing it!!!