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Prophet
05-11-2006, 04:02 PM
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Vikings | K. Robinson may continue to return kickoffs
Thu, 11 May 2006 06:58:27 -0700

Kevin Seifert, of the Star Tribune, reports Minnesota Vikings WR Koren Robinson, despite being the team's No. 1 wide receiver, may continue to return kickoffs in 2006.

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Vikings | Leber cleared to practice
Thu, 11 May 2006 06:54:37 -0700

Kevin Seifert, of the Star Tribune, reports Minnesota Vikings LB Ben Leber (foot) has been cleared to practice at this weekend's minicamp, which begins Saturday, May 13, and concludes Monday, May 15.


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Vikings | Henderson to work some in the middle
Thu, 11 May 2006 06:52:27 -0700

Kevin Seifert, of the Star Tribune, reports Minnesota Vikings LB E.J. Henderson will work some at middle linebacker at this weekend's minicamp, which begins Saturday, May 13, and concludes Monday, May 15. Henderson eventually is expected to cede his starting outside position to rookie LB Chad Greenway.

snowinapril
05-11-2006, 04:09 PM
Find another guy. Make another guy earn his paycheck.

badbois
05-11-2006, 04:18 PM
childress could look real foolish is he injures himself early returning kickoffs.

Prophet
05-11-2006, 04:20 PM
Vikings | Team has room for both tight ends
Thu, 11 May 2006 07:03:00 -0700

Sean Jensen, of the Pioneer Press, reports Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress said there would be plenty of room for Vikings' TEs Jim Kleinsasser and Jermaine Wiggins in his offense. "I think you have to keep throwing fastballs at the defense," Childress said. "If you're standing with that personnel package on the field, I think you can become predictable."


Vikings | Open competition at punter
Thu, 11 May 2006 07:00:33 -0700

Sean Jensen, of the Pioneer Press, reports Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress said rookie P John Torp will compete for the job with incumbent P Chris Kluwe. Kluwe is coming back from knee surgery. "There's a competition there," Childress said. "They'll both have a chance to win."

snowinapril
05-11-2006, 04:20 PM
Kevin Seifert, of the Star Tribune, reports Minnesota Vikings LB E.J. Henderson will work some at middle linebacker at this weekend's minicamp, which begins Saturday, May 13, and concludes Monday, May 15. Henderson eventually is expected to cede his starting outside position to rookie LB Chad Greenway.

This is more noteworthy to me than Special Teams???

Childress in the WCCO interview didn't want to put too much on Greenways shoulders for this season. If he is ready to play at the NFL level, he will play.

I hope EJ works at MLB. We need one to step up and take that position.

snowinapril
05-11-2006, 04:26 PM
Vikings | Team has room for both tight ends
Thu, 11 May 2006 07:03:00 -0700

Sean Jensen, of the Pioneer Press, reports Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress said there would be plenty of room for Vikings' TEs Jim Kleinsasser and Jermaine Wiggins in his offense. "I think you have to keep throwing fastballs at the defense," Childress said. "If you're standing with that personnel package on the field, I think you can become predictable."


Vikings | Open competition at punter
Thu, 11 May 2006 07:00:33 -0700

Sean Jensen, of the Pioneer Press, reports Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress said rookie P John Torp will compete for the job with incumbent P Chris Kluwe. Kluwe is coming back from knee surgery. "There's a competition there," Childress said. "They'll both have a chance to win."

I think that JK could be a dominant FB in this league. Better than SD's Neal and even Richardson. I know that is not what most football players want to (in his case) be demoted to, but he is good at it. I guess it depends on which set your team wants to run.

Kluwe, if healthy, wins the job. Man that guy can kick. He probably hasn't had the chance to practice much coming off injuries.

Vikes_King
05-11-2006, 08:41 PM
i really hope kluwe is healthy, such an amazing punter, loved the running endzone kick last year

MightyVikes12391
05-11-2006, 08:47 PM
T will should return kicks

Warp
05-11-2006, 08:48 PM
Lets hope K-rob doesnt get injured if hes the returner :???: I personally hope taurean Henderson gets a tryout at KR, I think he could be great at that.

VikesfaninWis
05-11-2006, 08:48 PM
I would like to see Travis Taylor do kickoffs instead of K-Rob.. I wouldn't want anyone to get hurt, but for sure not K-Rob.. I really hope Kluwe can come back as good as he was last season. We need a good punter like him. Also good to see Leber cleared to practice.. Hopefully he will make a impact. Seeing EJ going back to the MLB position, clears the way for Greenway to take over the WLB position...

PrImEtImESmooT21
05-11-2006, 08:51 PM
I think we should give Harris and Thomas a chance for MLB and Henderson and Greenway on the outside i dont know what everyone really likes about Leber what has he ever done. And i think Williamson or Moore should return kicks and Kluwe should be our punter

Zeus
05-11-2006, 09:14 PM
"VikesfaninWis" wrote:

I would like to see Travis Taylor do kickoffs instead of K-Rob..

Ryan Hoag should return kicks.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/hoag_ryan

TRACK
Lettered twice in track, earning school male athlete of the year and All-America honors … Finished second in the conference finals in the 100 meters (10.95), fourth in the 200 meters (22.57) and second in the 4x400-meter relays (3:18.79) in 2002 … Also finished third in the 55 meters (6.7) and fourth in the 400 (50.52) during the 2002 MIAC indoor track season … Finished third in the 100 (10.51) at the 2002 NCAA Tournament and the 4x100 relay team clocked 41.5 at the 2002 Drake Relays … During the 2001 outdoor season, he clocked 11.19 in the 100, 22.68 in the 200 and 49.57 in the 400-meter dashes … At the 2001 MIAC Outdoor Finals, he placed fourth in the 400 (49.57), third in the 4x100 relays (42.05) and fifth in the 4x400 relays (3:19.69) … During the MIAC Indoor Finals, he finished seventh in the 400 (51.83), third in the 4x100 (1:32.38) and sixth in the 4x400 relays (3:28.11).
CAMPUS AGILITY TESTS
4.42 in the 40-yard dash … 225-pound bench press … 400-pound squat … 40-inch vertical jump … 32-inch arm length … 9 5/8-inch hands … Right-handed.

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LAVike
05-11-2006, 09:25 PM
Yeah. Seems kind of dangerous to have your #1 returning kickoffs . . . regardless of the fact he was a Pro-Bowler at that position. As the Vikes stand, they're kind of thin at the receiver position.

brandsp
05-11-2006, 09:27 PM
If Steve Smith for Car can return punts, I have no problem with K-Rob returning kicks.

brandsp
05-11-2006, 09:30 PM
Besides it was nice not being the one worst special teams in the league last year for a change.

MM was top 5 for punt returns also.

midgensa
05-11-2006, 09:34 PM
I have no problem with K-Rob returning kicks if he or the coaches have no problem with it.

Zeus
05-11-2006, 10:02 PM
"brandsp" wrote:

If Steve Smith for Car can return punts, I have no problem with K-Rob returning kicks.

Here are your top 30 KRs in the NFL last year.

Kick Returns
Rank Player Team Rets Yds Avg LG TDs
1 Terrence McGee BUF 46 1391 30.2 99 1
2 Jerome Mathis HOU 54 1542 28.6 99 2
3 Justin Miller NYJ 60 1577 26.3 95 1
4 Pacman Jones TEN 43 1127 26.2 85 0
5 Koren Robinson MIN 47 1221 26.0 86 1
6 Willie Ponder NYG 35 905 25.9 95 1
7 Ladell Betts WAS 24 621 25.9 94 1
8 Quincy Morgan PIT 23 583 25.3 74 0
9 Derrick Wimbush JAC 39 955 24.5 91 1
10 Tyson Thompson DAL 57 1399 24.5 49 0
11 Tab Perry CIN 64 1562 24.4 94 0
12 Josh Cribbs CLE 45 1094 24.3 90 1
13 Darren Sproles SD 63 1528 24.3 58 0
14 Dante Hall KC 65 1560 24.0 96 1
15 Chris Carr OAK 73 1752 24.0 62 0
16 Roderick Hood PHI 38 900 23.7 53 0
17 Chad Morton NYG 24 559 23.3 41 0
18 Reggie Swinton ARI 63 1456 23.1 90 0
19 B.J. Sams BAL 44 998 22.7 87 0
20 Wes Welker MIA 61 1379 22.6 46 0
21 Allen Rossum ATL 31 702 22.6 47 0
22 Chris Johnson STL 38 857 22.6 99 1
23 Courtney Roby TEN 22 495 22.5 59 0
24 Josh Scobey SEA 59 1326 22.5 53 0
25 Bethel Johnson NE 31 694 22.4 54 0
26 Jerry Azumah CHI 32 705 22.0 40 0
27 Eddie Drummond DET 49 1077 22.0 48 0
28 Fred McAfee NO 22 485 22.0 34 0
29 Vernand Morency HOU 20 437 21.9 31 0
30 Aaron Stecker NO 31 672 21.7 46 0

And your top 25 Punt Returners:
Punt Returns
Rank Player Team Rets Yds Avg LG TDs FC
1 Reno Mahe PHI 21 269 12.8 44 0 9
2 B.J. Sams BAL 33 401 12.2 51 0 10
3 Mewelde Moore MIN 21 245 11.7 71 1 9
4 Steve Smith CAR 27 286 10.6 44 0 6
5 Dennis Northcutt CLE 35 368 10.5 62 1 13
6 Antwaan Randle El PIT 44 448 10.2 81 2 12
7 Chad Morton NYG 47 453 9.6 58 1 16
8 Mark Jones TB 51 492 9.6 31 0 18
9 Bobby Wade CHI 33 317 9.6 73 1 9
10 Pacman Jones TEN 29 272 9.4 52 1 8
11 Wes Welker MIA 43 390 9.1 47 0 23
12 Tim Dwight NE 32 273 8.5 29 0 13
13 Antonio Chatman GB 45 381 8.5 85 1 18
14 Alvin Pearman JAC 49 410 8.4 24 0 15
15 Troy Walters IND 21 172 8.2 29 0 25
16 Reggie Swinton ARI 42 334 8.0 32 0 14
17 Jerricho Cotchery NYJ 23 182 7.9 18 0 7
18 Az-Zahir Hakim NO 34 260 7.6 42 0 4
19 Patrick Crayton DAL 23 166 7.2 25 0 9
20 Dante Hall KC 42 276 6.6 52 0 6
21 Eddie Drummond DET 26 157 6.0 38 0 11
22 Jimmy Williams SEA 24 139 5.8 24 0 22
23 Keiwan Ratliff CIN 28 157 5.6 13 0 14
24 Chris Carr OAK 34 186 5.5 34 0 7
25 Dexter Wynn PHI 22 110 5.0 27 0 10

Pick out the #1 receivers in that group and you'll find one - Steve Smith. (KRob was NOT our #1 receiver last year, so he don't count for 2005).

So - to your argument, I submit 50 OTHER returners who AREN'T their team's top receiver (or, in most cases, even a #2 receiver or RB) as my counter-point.

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sleepagent
05-11-2006, 10:05 PM
Ummm . . . didn't K-ROB go to the Probowl as a KR Specialist?

Let him return kicks if he wants to.

We've got other receivers . . . IF . . . he gets hurt. Time for M-ROB, T-WILL, and others to earn their paychecks!

Zeus
05-11-2006, 10:07 PM
"sleepagent" wrote:

Ummm . . . didn't K-ROB go to the Probowl as a KR Specialist?

Let him return kicks if he wants to.

We've got other receivers . . . IF . . . he gets hurt. Time for M-ROB, T-WILL, and others to earn their paychecks!

Yes, he did. So what? He wasn't the Vikings supposed #1 option at WR.

Now he is. And he's making the big $$$ because of it. So you protect that asset at all costs.

Randy Moss would have been the best KR of all-time - but he was back there only once in a purple moon because he was too valuable to get hurt.

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Ltrey33
05-11-2006, 10:27 PM
"AWZeus" wrote:

"sleepagent" wrote:

Ummm . . . didn't K-ROB go to the Probowl as a KR Specialist?

Let him return kicks if he wants to.

We've got other receivers . . . IF . . . he gets hurt. Time for M-ROB, T-WILL, and others to earn their paychecks!

Yes, he did. So what? He wasn't the Vikings supposed #1 option at WR.

Now he is. And he's making the big $$$ because of it. So you protect that asset at all costs.

Randy Moss would have been the best KR of all-time - but he was back there only once in a purple moon because he was too valuable to get hurt.

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What would have made Moss such a great kick returner? There are a lot of very good receivers that suck as kick returners.

Zeus
05-11-2006, 10:29 PM
"Ltrey33" wrote:

What would have made Moss such a great kick returner? There are a lot of very good receivers that suck as kick returners.

Speed and slippery moves. Ability to hit the seam in the coverage and burst through.

Just my 2cents on that one. I used Moss merely to illustrate the point that you don't have your #1 guy as your KR if you can at all help it.

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Prophet
05-11-2006, 10:31 PM
"AWZeus" wrote:

Speed and slippery moves. Ability to hit the seam in the coverage and burst through.

:shock: What are you talking about?

Ltrey33
05-11-2006, 10:40 PM
"Prophet" wrote:

"AWZeus" wrote:

Speed and slippery moves. Ability to hit the seam in the coverage and burst through.

:shock: What are you talking about?

:lol:

"AWZeus" wrote:

"Ltrey33" wrote:

What would have made Moss such a great kick returner? There are a lot of very good receivers that suck as kick returners.

Speed and slippery moves. Ability to hit the seam in the coverage and burst through.

Just my 2cents on that one. I used Moss merely to illustrate the point that you don't have your #1 guy as your KR if you can at all help it.

=Z=

I never really thought Moss would have made that great of a kick returner, but that's just my opinion.

Zeus
05-11-2006, 10:50 PM
"Prophet" wrote:

"AWZeus" wrote:

Speed and slippery moves. Ability to hit the seam in the coverage and burst through.

:shock: What are you talking about?

Moss as a return man.

Nothing sekshul or anything like that!

=Z=

Big C
05-11-2006, 11:05 PM
Someone made a comment about moving Kleinny back to FB. With Richardson we don't need that. Just imagine Memo or Taylor running behind Birk, Hutch, Mckinnie, Richardson and Kleinny (if JK lines up at TE on left side for one package)?!!

Whoa....

marshallvike
05-11-2006, 11:11 PM
"AWZeus" wrote:

"sleepagent" wrote:

Ummm . . . didn't K-ROB go to the Probowl as a KR Specialist?

Let him return kicks if he wants to.

We've got other receivers . . . IF . . . he gets hurt. Time for M-ROB, T-WILL, and others to earn their paychecks!

Yes, he did. So what? He wasn't the Vikings supposed #1 option at WR.

Now he is. And he's making the big $$$ because of it. So you protect that asset at all costs.

Randy Moss would have been the best KR of all-time - but he was back there only once in a purple moon because he was too valuable to get hurt.

=Z=i agree sleepagent. he was great at kick return. how is he our #1 receiver? because his contract was up at an opportune time? he still has to prove on the field he is #1. i like k-rob a lot, but he is not at this point our #1. we can't all forget taylor because kr got the big contract.

olson_10
05-11-2006, 11:24 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:


Vikings | Team has room for both tight ends
Thu, 11 May 2006 07:03:00 -0700

Sean Jensen, of the Pioneer Press, reports Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress said there would be plenty of room for Vikings' TEs Jim Kleinsasser and Jermaine Wiggins in his offense. "I think you have to keep throwing fastballs at the defense," Childress said. "If you're standing with that personnel package on the field, I think you can become predictable."


Vikings | Open competition at punter
Thu, 11 May 2006 07:00:33 -0700

Sean Jensen, of the Pioneer Press, reports Minnesota Vikings head coach Brad Childress said rookie P John Torp will compete for the job with incumbent P Chris Kluwe. Kluwe is coming back from knee surgery. "There's a competition there," Childress said. "They'll both have a chance to win."

I think that JK could be a dominant FB in this league. Better than SD's Neal and even Richardson. I know that is not what most football players want to (in his case) be demoted to, but he is good at it. I guess it depends on which set your team wants to run.

Kluwe, if healthy, wins the job. Man that guy can kick. He probably hasn't had the chance to practice much coming off injuries.
kleinsasser is far better blocking on the corner than he is as a lead blocker behind the line of scrimmage..when you have one of the best FBs in the NFL, then why move jimmy to that spot?..if you have richardson and kleinsasser on the field, and you run plays to the left, that gives you kleinsasser, richardson, hutchinson, mckinnie, birk all blocking to one side on a running play, how are you going to stop that?

olson_10
05-11-2006, 11:27 PM
k rob has proven he can do it at an all pro level, so until somebody comes in and does a better job than him, leave him there..id rather start every possession around our 40 rather than our 20

triedandtruevikesfan
05-12-2006, 12:25 AM
This can be a scary situation, but I hate to keep second guessing Childress. I guess we'll see how everything pans out when the season begins. I have to be honest and say that I'm worried.

damien927
05-12-2006, 12:40 AM
"AWZeus" wrote:

"VikesfaninWis" wrote:

I would like to see Travis Taylor do kickoffs instead of K-Rob..

Ryan Hoag should return kicks.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/hoag_ryan

TRACK
Lettered twice in track, earning school male athlete of the year and All-America honors … Finished second in the conference finals in the 100 meters (10.95), fourth in the 200 meters (22.57) and second in the 4x400-meter relays (3:18.79) in 2002 … Also finished third in the 55 meters (6.7) and fourth in the 400 (50.52) during the 2002 MIAC indoor track season … Finished third in the 100 (10.51) at the 2002 NCAA Tournament and the 4x100 relay team clocked 41.5 at the 2002 Drake Relays … During the 2001 outdoor season, he clocked 11.19 in the 100, 22.68 in the 200 and 49.57 in the 400-meter dashes … At the 2001 MIAC Outdoor Finals, he placed fourth in the 400 (49.57), third in the 4x100 relays (42.05) and fifth in the 4x400 relays (3:19.69) … During the MIAC Indoor Finals, he finished seventh in the 400 (51.83), third in the 4x100 (1:32.38) and sixth in the 4x400 relays (3:28.11).
CAMPUS AGILITY TESTS
4.42 in the 40-yard dash … 225-pound bench press … 400-pound squat … 40-inch vertical jump … 32-inch arm length … 9 5/8-inch hands … Right-handed.

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I agree that Hoag should be given a tryout..... I have a couple buddies that raced against him in track in college.... THey said he is crazy fast.... I don't know if he has the change of direction needed to get extra yards, but if there is a hold I am sure he will go untouched and will not get run down from behind. It is worth a tryout at least.

DaunteHOF
05-12-2006, 02:48 PM
Henderson, this is your last chance. Do what you gotta do

NodakPaul
05-12-2006, 03:39 PM
"Big C" wrote:

Someone made a comment about moving Kleinny back to FB. With Richardson we don't need that. Just imagine Memo or Taylor running behind Birk, Hutch, Mckinnie, Richardson and Kleinny (if JK lines up at TE on left side for one package)?!!

Whoa....

They had this lineup listed a couple of times in the last minicamp. To add to it a little, T-Will lined up left, K-rob on the right.

The defense can't overload the left side because they would leave K-Rob in one-on-one on the right. If they crowd the line, or have zone coverage, T-Will can sprint through. If they play back to cover T-Will and K-Rob, Taylor will get 10 yards o nthe ground every time.

Sweet.

CCthebest
05-12-2006, 04:11 PM
When did K Rob become our #1 receiver? Didnt BJ make more completions to Taylor? K Rob has the gift to return kicks. Field position is very immportant.

NodakPaul
05-12-2006, 04:29 PM
"CCthebest" wrote:

When did K Rob become our #1 receiver? Didnt BJ make more completions to Taylor? K Rob has the gift to return kicks. Field position is very immportant.

K-Rob became our #1 reciever during FA. Taylor is most likely our #3.

But yes, field position is very important. I say if he wants to return kicks then let him do it.

cajunvike
05-12-2006, 04:32 PM
"damien927" wrote:

"AWZeus" wrote:

"VikesfaninWis" wrote:

I would like to see Travis Taylor do kickoffs instead of K-Rob..

Ryan Hoag should return kicks.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/hoag_ryan

TRACK
Lettered twice in track, earning school male athlete of the year and All-America honors … Finished second in the conference finals in the 100 meters (10.95), fourth in the 200 meters (22.57) and second in the 4x400-meter relays (3:18.79) in 2002 … Also finished third in the 55 meters (6.7) and fourth in the 400 (50.52) during the 2002 MIAC indoor track season … Finished third in the 100 (10.51) at the 2002 NCAA Tournament and the 4x100 relay team clocked 41.5 at the 2002 Drake Relays … During the 2001 outdoor season, he clocked 11.19 in the 100, 22.68 in the 200 and 49.57 in the 400-meter dashes … At the 2001 MIAC Outdoor Finals, he placed fourth in the 400 (49.57), third in the 4x100 relays (42.05) and fifth in the 4x400 relays (3:19.69) … During the MIAC Indoor Finals, he finished seventh in the 400 (51.83), third in the 4x100 (1:32.38) and sixth in the 4x400 relays (3:28.11).
CAMPUS AGILITY TESTS
4.42 in the 40-yard dash … 225-pound bench press … 400-pound squat … 40-inch vertical jump … 32-inch arm length … 9 5/8-inch hands … Right-handed.

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I agree that Hoag should be given a tryout..... I have a couple buddies that raced against him in track in college.... THey said he is crazy fast.... I don't know if he has the change of direction needed to get extra yards, but if there is a hold I am sure he will go untouched and will not get run down from behind. It is worth a tryout at least.

But then it gets called back, so what's the use??? :lol:

MaxVike
05-12-2006, 04:36 PM
NoDakPaul, I get the feeling you outlined Childress' Plan perfectly.

Let's hope the Taylor for 10 does happen. This line is going to be a mauling machine, complemented by a great FB and Kleinny. Let's also hope the defense steps up; they are certainly armed with enough #1's on the line and veteran leadership in the secondary.