PDA

View Full Version : Legislature holds public hearing to discuss stadium



NodakPaul
03-17-2006, 12:19 AM
Just got this from Minnesota Momentum:


The legislature is holding a public hearing this Friday, March 17, at 10:00 a.m. to discuss the plan to build Northern Lights – Minnesota’s Sports, Retail & Entertainment Center. The hearing will be conducted by the House Governmental Operations and Veterans Affairs Committee.

The purpose of the public hearing is for legislators to gather information about the plan to build Northern Lights, which will resolve the Vikings stadium issue and boost our state’s economy with $1 billion in private investment. This is an important initial step in the process of getting the Northern Lights plan passed by the legislature.

You can show your support by attending the hearing.

Details:


Friday, March 17, 10:00 a.m.

State Office Building, Room 5

Corner of MLK Blvd. and Aurora Ave.

(adjacent to the State Capital)

St. Paul, MN


We hope you can make it!


If you haven’t already received an email about contacting your legislator prior to the hearing, it probably means your representative is not on the committee. But you can still contact your legislator at any time and let them know you support the plan to build Northern Lights. Just click here to find your legislator’s contact information.


And be sure to let your friends know about Minnesota Momentum. Click here to use the convenient “Tell a Friend” email tool.


Thanks!

Prophet
03-17-2006, 12:28 AM
There are things moving on many fronts in the new era. Hold onto your hats, we're in for a fun ride.

shawn9876uss
03-17-2006, 12:48 AM
I am so excited that it is moving forward, people don't know how much this would help the economy

NodakPaul
03-17-2006, 12:55 AM
Man I would love to be there, even if i am not a resident. Think it would make a statement if someone from out of state drove the 3+ hours to the Twin Cities, ate at the local restaurants, and spent the night in a local hotel... you know, just like I do for EVERY Vikings game? I hope they take into account the money from out of state fans like myself when they are trying to measure the economic impact.

collegeguyjeff
03-17-2006, 01:00 AM
i think the only reason this is happening is because the government is finally seeing the impact the stadium would have on the state. they are gonna make back more money than they put into it so i think they should go through with it.

cajunvike
03-17-2006, 01:26 AM
"NodakPaul" wrote:

Just got this from Minnesota Momentum:


The legislature is holding a public hearing this Friday, March 17, at 10:00 a.m. to discuss the plan to build Northern Lights – Minnesota’s Sports, Retail & Entertainment Center. The hearing will be conducted by the House Governmental Operations and Veterans Affairs Committee.

The purpose of the public hearing is for legislators to gather information about the plan to build Northern Lights, which will resolve the Vikings stadium issue and boost our state’s economy with $1 billion in private investment. This is an important initial step in the process of getting the Northern Lights plan passed by the legislature.

You can show your support by attending the hearing.

Details:


Friday, March 17, 10:00 a.m.

State Office Building, Room 5

Corner of MLK Blvd. and Aurora Ave.

(adjacent to the State Capital)

St. Paul, MN


We hope you can make it!


If you haven’t already received an email about contacting your legislator prior to the hearing, it probably means your representative is not on the committee. But you can still contact your legislator at any time and let them know you support the plan to build Northern Lights. Just click here to find your legislator’s contact information.


And be sure to let your friends know about Minnesota Momentum. Click here to use the convenient “Tell a Friend” email tool.


Thanks!


They must have had a deal in place with Wilf that triggered with Tuesday's trade of Culpepper! :lol:

COJOMAY
03-18-2006, 03:10 AM
This story is in the Tribune
Vikings stadium plan aired at Capitol
Associated Press

The football season has been over for nearly two months, but a few Vikings fans pulled out their purple jerseys Friday for a hearing at the state Capitol.

A House committee reviewed the team's proposal for a $1.5 billion-dollar football stadium and retail and entertainment complex in Anoka County — a plan the Legislature must approve if it's to go forward.

No vote was taken Friday, but officials from the team and Anoka County, and some hardcore fans, urged state lawmakers to get behind it.

"I don't think it's a question of, 'Should we spend the money?"' said David Willard, decked out in a Vikings cap and sweat shirt. "It should be a point of, when do we drop a shovel in the ground and start doing it?"

The Vikings are touting a $675 million retractable roof stadium with 68,500 seats just off Interstate 35W in Blaine. It would be the anchor of the $1.5 billion Northern Lights Sports, Retail and Entertainment Center, with stores, a hotel and conference center, office and retail developments, and preserved wetlands with a visitor center.

Vikings owner Zygi Wilf has promised $280 million toward the stadium, as well many of the costs associated with the other developments, for about $1 billion in private investments.

"Any time you have a quality company willing to invest a billion dollars in our state, we should find a way to help them out," said Rep. Andy Westerberg, R-Blaine, chief sponsor of the Vikings bill. "It's simply good common sense."

Anoka County would also pony up $280 million through a three-quarters of a percent sales tax increase, about 75 cents per $100. The Anoka County Commission has already approved it, but the Legislature must authorize it before it can be levied.

The state would also provide $115 million through construction bonds.

Supporters say the new stadium complex would be more than just a windfall for the Vikings, as some opponents have claimed. They also predict an economic explosion in the northern suburbs of the Twin Cities.

"How do people think of Anoka County?" asked Larry Spooner, a Vikings fan who lives in the county. "For most people, it's a drive-thru on the way to the cabin. This is going to turn it into a drive-to community, no doubt about it."

But opponents said the many millions in new revenue the Vikings stand to harvest need to be considered, and that lawmakers should pressure the team to up its own contribution.

"This is going to be a bonanza for them," said James Hafner, who also lives in Anoka County. He urged lawmakers to consider a fee on the team's advertising and TV revenue that would allow the proposed county sales tax to be cut at least in half.

Rep. Kathy Tingelstad, chairwoman of the House Government Operations Committee, said a committee vote on the project could come in the next few weeks. But legislative leaders continue to say that proposed new stadiums for the University of Minnesota Gophers and the Minnesota Twins are higher priorities this year.

"I still feel like three stadiums in one session is a bigger bite than many are willing to take," said House Speaker Steve Sviggum, a Republican, on Friday.

I love the section I bolded. "Oh no, a private company cannot make that much money. They need to give the state more." LOL Do they realize how much the state is gonna collect in sales tax alone here???

Benet
03-18-2006, 01:13 PM
Don't get me wrong, it all sounds lovely, but there's something that caught me off-guard here.

"The Vikings are touting a $675 million retractable roof stadium with 68,500 seats"

Er.. The Metrodome has a capacity of 64,121 when the Vikings play there. And they've sold that out for every game for years. So why only the extra 4,000 seats? I understand the desire for higher revenue streams such as Corporate Boxes and the like, but why not go for 70,000 seats? Why not 75,000? I know I'm being overly simplistic and there are a whole raft of designing and planning decisions that would have to be made regarding the seating.. But I have to admit I'm a tiny-bit disappointed with the fact the Vikes seem to be low-balling (to use a phrase that's doing the rounds on here lately) their own ability to draw fans. Sure, the shops and all that stuff looks great... And I'm sure it will be fantastic. But I would say let's try and not forget the primary reason people, especially from out-of-county or even out-of-State, are going to be there: the Vikings!

Just to put this in perspective, and to make sure I don't look like a naive whining idiot, there's a stadium in Britain that has a retractable roof and is used for football, which has a pitch about 50 sqaure yards bigger than an NFL field.

The capacity?

74,500.

AND IT'S IN WALES!!

The new Wembley Stadium in London: England's national stadium, will have a retractable roof.

The capacity?

90,000.

I just realised how long this post is; so I'll get back to the point. England is crowded with big stadiums, Old Trafford, St James's Park, City of Manchester Stadium, Millenium Stadium, Wembley, Ashburton Grove (under construction), all of these are over 60,000 capacity and are in a country a tenth of the size of the States. If we can support all these huge clubs and stadiums, why can the Vikes not push the boat out (to use a phrase I like using :grin:) and up the stadium capacity?

Purple Floyd
03-18-2006, 08:11 PM
Take off the dang retractable roof and use the money to make it bigger. What the heck do they think they need the retractable roof for anyway?

PackSux!
03-18-2006, 08:17 PM
"UffDaVikes" wrote:

Take off the dang retractable roof and use the money to make it bigger. What the heck do they think they need the retractable roof for anyway?

If we want to ever host a superbowl we better have a roof on it otherwise we wont ever see a superbowl in minnesota again. But it would be nice to see them make it bigger and still have the retractable roof.

ultravikingfan
03-18-2006, 08:22 PM
I care about going to a Super Bowl more than I do hosting one.

Gift
03-18-2006, 08:46 PM
It always made me angry to hear people say "I shouldn't have to pay for it". I mean how short sighted can you be? Anyway, if anyone can get this done it Wilf.

whackthepack
03-18-2006, 08:54 PM
"Benet" wrote:

Don't get me wrong, it all sounds lovely, but there's something that caught me off-guard here.

"The Vikings are touting a $675 million retractable roof stadium with 68,500 seats"

Er.. The Metrodome has a capacity of 64,121 when the Vikings play there. And they've sold that out for every game for years. So why only the extra 4,000 seats? I understand the desire for higher revenue streams such as Corporate Boxes and the like, but why not go for 70,000 seats? Why not 75,000? I know I'm being overly simplistic and there are a whole raft of designing and planning decisions that would have to be made regarding the seating.. But I have to admit I'm a tiny-bit disappointed with the fact the Vikes seem to be low-balling (to use a phrase that's doing the rounds on here lately) their own ability to draw fans. Sure, the shops and all that stuff looks great... And I'm sure it will be fantastic. But I would say let's try and not forget the primary reason people, especially from out-of-county or even out-of-State, are going to be there: the Vikings!

Just to put this in perspective, and to make sure I don't look like a naive whining idiot, there's a stadium in Britain that has a retractable roof and is used for football, which has a pitch about 50 sqaure yards bigger than an NFL field.

The capacity?

74,500.

AND IT'S IN WALES!!

The new Wembley Stadium in London: England's national stadium, will have a retractable roof.

The capacity?

90,000.

I just realised how long this post is; so I'll get back to the point. England is crowded with big stadiums, Old Trafford, St James's Park, City of Manchester Stadium, Millenium Stadium, Wembley, Ashburton Grove (under construction), all of these are over 60,000 capacity and are in a country a tenth of the size of the States. If we can support all these huge clubs and stadiums, why can the Vikes not push the boat out (to use a phrase I like using :grin:) and up the stadium capacity?


Because the cost would be higher, and if you do not sell out 95% of the stadium then it is blacked out on local TV. Teams want to make sure they are on TV.

Benet
03-18-2006, 09:03 PM
"whackthepack" wrote:

Because the cost would be higher, and if you do not sell out 95% of the stadium then it is blacked out on local TV. Teams want to make sure they are on TV.

I don't think the cost is that prohibitive, especially considering how much money is going to be put into this project already, but I completely forgot about how attendance affects the TV broadcasts.

So it's all about the high-revenue streams: Corporate and Hospitality Boxes, Luxury seating and the other ancillary benefits of a new stadium.

Purple Floyd
03-18-2006, 09:13 PM
"PackSux!" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

Take off the dang retractable roof and use the money to make it bigger. What the heck do they think they need the retractable roof for anyway?

If we want to ever host a superbowl we better have a roof on it otherwise we wont ever see a superbowl in minnesota again. But it would be nice to see them make it bigger and still have the retractable roof.

The last time I looked, there has never been a team to make the superbowl in their home town and if you look back at the records of the team that hosts the super bowl each year it is not good. Personally I would rather build a stadium that plays to our strength,which is the cold, and helps us win playoff games that to design a stadium around the possibility they may play a single super bowl here that my team won't be playing in anyway. Funny you never see Dynasty teams like Dallas,Pittsburgh,Green Bay,Chicago or San Fran trying to get super Bowls but perennial losers like Detroit and New Orleans can get them all the time. Personally I know which group I would rather be included in.

Benet
03-18-2006, 09:45 PM
I don't honestly think an open-air stadium would benefit the Vikings.

In the short term.

Remember, we're talking about a franchise that has played in a Dome since 1982. That's 24 years! To move the franchise outdoors again would not "play to their strengths." Green Bay, Chicago, New England, these are teams that have played in freezing tundra's, and it's something their players have adapted to as a result. To shift from indoors to outdoors would be a severe disadvantage to the Vikings.

In the short term.

However, in the longer term, you're right, it would be a great benefit. Especially if (as we all hope) the Vikings are still in the game come January. Looking at current examples: Who wants to go to Chicago, New England or Philly in January? Answer: No-one if they can avoid it. After a few years of getting reacquainted with playing in the snow, it could be a real advantage to the Vikings again.

And that's my 2 cents.

jaymz7
03-18-2006, 10:15 PM
I hope they just get it done. I usually make it to two or three home games a year and I can't wait to go to the new stadium. I like the retracting roof idea. It would allow the state to use it for other revenues when the Vikes aren't playing by closing the roof. Unless it is a minus 30 degree day with 30 mile an hour winds I say the roof should never close on Vikes home games.

collegeguyjeff
03-19-2006, 02:01 AM
"jaymz7" wrote:

I hope they just get it done. I usually make it to two or three home games a year and I can't wait to go to the new stadium. I like the retracting roof idea. It would allow the state to use it for other revenues when the Vikes aren't playing by closing the roof. Unless it is a minus 30 degree day with 30 mile an hour winds I say the roof should never close on Vikes home games.

yeah we could leave the roof open so people can see the beautiful sky in the wintertime for home games. and i think the roof would actually bring in more money than not having one cause of concerts and all that other junk. plus we could get one superbowl there which don't bring in enough money to justify having a roof.

COJOMAY
03-19-2006, 02:17 AM
Benet:
You're right, the high priced suites and boxes are the big thing now for stadiums. They make a ton of money on them compared to just regular seating. Kinda hard for us working stiffs to afford them, but they make the owners a ton of money and that's the bottom line.

And...

Hey Benet, I want you to know how much I really enjoy all your posts. They are well thought out and you are a real asset to this board.

Benet
03-19-2006, 11:33 AM
"COJOMAY" wrote:

Hey Benet, I want you to know how much I really enjoy all your posts. They are well thought out and you are a real asset to this board.

Aaaaaw.. Cheers buddy!

:thumbleft:

BBQ Platypus
03-19-2006, 04:22 PM
"Gift" wrote:

It always made me angry to hear people say "I shouldn't have to pay for it". I mean how short sighted can you be? Anyway, if anyone can get this done it Wilf.

Yeah, that mentality has delayed a stadium for YEARS. The state legislature would have saved hundreds of millions of dollars if they had done it then. Stadium-building is only going to get more expensive in the future as the technology and demands grow more advanced.