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singersp
02-10-2006, 08:30 PM
The greatest exorcism in Minnesota Vikings history

The 2005 Vikings season will be remembered as the end of the Red McCombs era

Zach Koenig
Sports Editor

When sports fans ponder the 2005 Minnesota Vikings, they will see a promising group lost in a boat scandal, Culpepper's magically exploding right knee, or Mike Tice's ticket scalping. What actually occurred, however, was the greatest exorcism ever performed in Minnesota: ousting Red McCombs.

During the early portion of the new millennium, the most hated figure in Minnesota sports was Twins owner Carl Pohlad. By refusing to pay the money necessary to field a competitive team and exhorting little effort to save the Twins from MLB's contraction scheme in 2002, Carl was hated by everyone who set foot in the Metrodome. Little did the fans know that the real threat to Minnesota was right under their noses...

For the greater part of the 1990s, the Minnesota Vikings were run by a conglomeration of ten different owners. The team was always competitive, yet never had enough talent for a Super Bowl run. As a result, the fan base from the Bud Grant era had begun to fade, resulting in empty seats and TV blackouts. Following the 1997 season, where the Vikes were bounced from the playoffs once again, the owners conglomerate decided to put the team up for sale. Author Tom Clancy's offer fell through due to lack of financing, so the team went to San Antonio business man P.J. "Red" McCombs for $246 million. Within a few short weeks of his purchase, McCombs' fortune was dropped onto his lap in the form of one player. That player, of course, was Randy Moss.

The Vikings' gamble on Moss in the '98 draft paid off big, finally putting the team over its hump of mediocrity. While Moss carried the team on his back for the next two or three years, McCombs sat back and enjoyed the ride (occasionally shouting "Purple Pride!" and waving little purple flags). The fans were happy because the team was winning and profits were rolling in due to increased attendance and sales of #84 jerseys. The Vikings never won the Lombardi Trophy, but were competitive enough to be in the running in '98 and '99. All seemed well in Vikingland.

In 2000, Red McCombs was given another gift in quarterback Daunte Culpepper. With the electric rookie having a Pro Bowl season and lighting up the scoreboard with his connections to Randy Moss and Cris Carter, the Vikings once again turned a tremendous profit and filled the Metrodome each home contest. Yet, throughout that 2000 season, it seemed as if the Vikings needed to score more points than ever to win games, never being able to beat opponents with good defensive play. No matter, though, because the team finished 11-5 and made it to the NFC Championship game, right?

In Red McCombs' first three years of ownership, the Vikings had done incredibly well in terms of on-field performance and the financial bottom line. Two appearances ('98 and '00) in the NFC Championship Game seemed to bode well for the future of the organization. However, during those three seasons, Red McCombs did little to upgrade the team via free agents or trades. Though glossed over because the team was experiencing such success, the defense was rapidly disintegrating. Players like Orlando Thomas, Ed McDaniel, John Randle, Dwayne Rudd, and Robert Griffith, who were developed by Dennis Green in the mid-to-late 1990s, were either sent elsewhere or became too old to compete. No experienced players were brought in to replace them, with McCombs opting to spend his pennies on such disasters as Wasswa Serwanga, Robert Tate, and Keith Thibodeaux. As for the offense, only Culpepper and Moss (draft picks) were untouchable. No quality players were gained while Robert Smith retired, the receiving corps was thinned by the loss of Cris Carter, and the best offensive line in football departed one player at a time.

Thus, in 2001, the Vikings experience a complete collapse. The defense finally started giving up more points than the offense could score, Randy Moss played only when he wanted to play, and Cris Carter thought he could out-coach Dennis Green, resulting in a 5-11 finish. While most organizations would be furious at this kind of result, McCombs was handed another free pass, due to the cyclical nature of today's NFL. The Vikings looked to be entering a rebuilding mode, but with McCombs at the helm they were, in reality, stalled out.

For the 2002 season, a new head coach (Mike Tice) was brought in to provide a more aggressive attitude to the team (as well as being the cheapest option available). During that season, Tice proved he had much to learn about coaching in the NFL (his aggressiveness leading to pulled hamstrings while working out with his players). His 6-10 record in '02, though, was actually quite amazing considering the talent level he was working with. The wide receivers after Randy Moss were D'Wayne Bates and Derrick Alexander, the running back was rookie Michael Bennett, and the kicker was Doug Brien (specializing in missing extra point tries). Wallowing around on the other side of the ball were such names as Patrick Chukwurah, Henri Crockett, O.J. Santiago and, my personal favorite, Anthony Midget.

In the subsequent seasons, 2003 and 2004, the Vikings continued to be hamstrung by McCombs' penny-pinching. The general Minnesotan public was catching on to 'ole Red at this point, but every time they called him out he threatened to pack up the team and move to San Antonio. Despite playing under such financial constraints (constantly operating $20-30 million under the salary cap), the Vikings managed to be fairly competitive both seasons. Had cornerback Denard Walker decided not to push Cardinal wide receiver Nate Poole out of the end zone, the Vikes may have made the playoffs both seasons. In a playoff loss to Philadelphia in 2004, however, it became painfully obvious that the Vikings could not contend with the big spenders of the NFL.

In the '04-'05 off-season, Red McCombs finally decided to flee town with his loot. When he sold the team to Ziggy Wilf for $625 million, his profits totaled about $379 million. In the ultimate of ironies, McCombs' last hurrah was trading Randy Moss (his meal ticket) to the Oakland Raiders for a draft pick and an injured linebacker.

Under the Wilf ownership, the purse strings were finally loosened and talented free agents such as Darren Sharper, Sam Cowart, Pat Williams, and Travis Taylor were brought in. The defense was much improved, but it was too late to save the once unstoppable offense the Vikings had boasted for nearly a decade and the team sputtered to a 9-7 finish with no playoff berth. Head coach Mike Tice (who had guided a defense-less team to a 32-33 record in his tenure) was let go following the final game of the season.

Though during the Red McCombs era (1998-2004, R.I.P.) the Vikings posted a 64-48 record, the burning "What if?" questions are what continue to haunt Vikings fans. What if Red had spent money to improve the defense? What if he had hired an NFL-ready head coach in 2002? What would the '05 season have looked like if he hadn't left the offense in shambles? Would the Vikings have some hardware in the trophy case if any of those things had taken place? The sad thing is, it is too late to ever know.

Of course, there was one good thing about the McCombs era (besides it ending): It doesn't make old Carl Pohlad look so bad, does it?

http://www.mrs.umn.edu/register/article.php?volume=18&issue=13&section=sports&index=0

PAvikesfan
02-10-2006, 08:40 PM
i like that article... good bye mccombs...may you go blind and have a retarded guide dog.

collegeguyjeff
02-10-2006, 08:42 PM
im just glad redneck is gone i hate that man, if you want to call him a man

BIGDADDYG
02-10-2006, 08:53 PM
Wow!!! Never knew things were that bad. Glad I found this site to be kept up to date and to get information like this.

Hey Red!!!! :pottytrain2: :thebirdman: :violent3: :angry5:

PurpleRide
02-10-2006, 08:57 PM
Polad is still the worst owner in MN sports history! Red never threatend to move the team that is fiction. I give Red credit for finally filling the dump, he was a penny pincher, but every owner except glenn taylor and zigy(for now) has been a penny pincher. Has anyone noticed how low the payroll is for the wild. One of pro sports most profitble teams? Blast McCombs for the last 2 years of ownership, but don't make others look better for it. Polad is a cheep old basterd, the worst owner ever in MN sports. The wild ownership is cheep, refusing to put a decent team on the ice. The only reason they both get credit is because they "are one of us". Get over it, if you haven't looked around lately this state has become more backwords than mississippi. I admit I wasn't thrilled with McCombs the last few years, I did understand the fact the metrodome is a pile, why invest money when you are going to loose as much as he did year in and year out. The metrodome is the problem here not the owner or previous.
Oh to the "not my money" crew when talking about stadiums. Nothing from your paycheck will be taxed, your property will not be taxed, the only thing taxed is when you purchase something, and that tax is a fraction of a penny.

gregair13
02-10-2006, 09:04 PM
thats a great article. one of the few i actually read the whole thing. but without that 5-11 record, we wouldnt have culpepper. now there is something to think about.


Cris Carter thought he could out-coach Dennis Green
and he probably could.

snowinapril
02-10-2006, 09:17 PM
In Red McCombs' first three years of ownership, the Vikings had done incredibly well in terms of on-field performance and the financial bottom line. Two appearances ('98 and '00) in the NFC Championship Game seemed to bode well for the future of the organization. However, during those three seasons, Red McCombs did little to upgrade the team via free agents or trades. Though glossed over because the team was experiencing such success, the defense was rapidly disintegrating. Players like Orlando Thomas, Ed McDaniel, John Randle, Dwayne Rudd, and Robert Griffith, who were developed by Dennis Green in the mid-to-late 1990s, were either sent elsewhere or became too old to compete. No experienced players were brought in to replace them, with McCombs opting to spend his pennies on such disasters as Wasswa Serwanga, Robert Tate, and Keith Thibodeaux. As for the offense, only Culpepper and Moss (draft picks) were untouchable. No quality players were gained while Robert Smith retired, the receiving corps was thinned by the loss of Cris Carter, and the best offensive line in football departed one player at a time.

That is so true!

He just let everyone walk and didn't replace them. Unwilling to pay them, especailly the O line. McDaniels had a few good years left. Stuessie did hold a bit but gets the job done. Dixon would have done a better job this year than what we had.

Oh well!

cajunvike
02-10-2006, 09:19 PM
We WILL get our Championships!!! Then this will all just be a bad dream!

MrGopher16
02-10-2006, 09:32 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:

We WILL get our Championships!!! Then this will all just be a bad dream!

I sure hope so!

BIGDADDYG
02-10-2006, 09:33 PM
Well said Cajun!!!!

Prophet
02-10-2006, 09:42 PM
Of all the roster changing that will inevitably take place and the coaching changes I am most thankful for Redneck being out of the mix. May he rot in Austin.

snowinapril
02-10-2006, 09:44 PM
"Prophet" wrote:

Of all the roster changing that will inevitably take place and the coaching changes I am most thankful for Redneck being out of the mix. May he rot in Austin.

I think it is San Antonio, better just say TEXAS to make sure. Texas is a big area, he is bound to be in there somewhere.

MrGopher16
02-10-2006, 09:55 PM
I don't care where he is, as long as it's far from Minnesota and especially as long as he does ROT.

gregair13
02-10-2006, 10:31 PM
"MrGopher16" wrote:

"cajunvike" wrote:

We WILL get our Championships!!! Then this will all just be a bad dream!

I sure hope so!
eeffing rights we will

VikesfaninWis
02-10-2006, 10:38 PM
Man, reading that story makes me hate that Hillbilly that much more(if that is possible) We did have the talent that was already here and the cap space to make the Vikings a SB winning team. To bad that a$$ clown never bothered to care about the Minnesota people, and the Vikings in general.


With Wilf we atleast know that we have an owner that is willing to sign key free agents that will get the job done. I envision a SB in Minnesota's future. I can't wait for that day either, I will rub it in the fans of the Cheese, and throw the biggest party this side of Minnesota!!!

Potus2028
02-10-2006, 10:46 PM
yea.. well.. we dont wnt him here in texas either..

throw him accross the border or something

sleepagent
02-10-2006, 11:02 PM
Only an arm-chair quarterbacking sports writer could turn the tables on some great years of Viking history and make it sound like we never stood a chance.

Like him or not (and I didn't) Red produced, with the help of Denny Green, some great Viking teams by finding the missing piece (Randy Moss). I certainly didn't like the Tice years, and it can be argued the early years were the result of old ownership, but Red was in charge and he gets the credit.

The 1998 season was our year, but something went wrong on the way to the Super Bowl. Just ask 2004 Pittsburgh, and 2005 Indianapolis.

SKOL!

vikesoto
02-10-2006, 11:09 PM
To hell with Red, but "magically exploding knee"? That was a dumb thing to say!

BigEasyViking
02-11-2006, 07:21 AM
I don't know that we can Blame 'OL Red for us not getting a Super Bowl, and I don't really care either. The only thing that I care about is that now we do have an owner and coaching staff that is dedicated to winning. We will get ours, and that day will be sweet!

VKG4LFE
02-11-2006, 05:34 PM
"PurpleRide" wrote:

Polad is still the worst owner in MN sports history! Red never threatend to move the team that is fiction. I give Red credit for finally filling the dump, he was a penny pincher, but every owner except glenn taylor and zigy(for now) has been a penny pincher. Has anyone noticed how low the payroll is for the wild. One of pro sports most profitble teams? Blast McCombs for the last 2 years of ownership, but don't make others look better for it. Polad is a cheep old basterd, the worst owner ever in MN sports. The wild ownership is cheep, refusing to put a decent team on the ice. The only reason they both get credit is because they "are one of us". Get over it, if you haven't looked around lately this state has become more backwords than mississippi. I admit I wasn't thrilled with McCombs the last few years, I did understand the fact the metrodome is a pile, why invest money when you are going to loose as much as he did year in and year out. The metrodome is the problem here not the owner or previous.
Oh to the "not my money" crew when talking about stadiums. Nothing from your paycheck will be taxed, your property will not be taxed, the only thing taxed is when you purchase something, and that tax is a fraction of a penny.


I don't know, how about Norm Green. He actually moved a team out of the state. Pohlad and McCombs just tried to move the teams, but they never succeeded. Well, I guess they are all just a-holes.

PurpleRide
02-11-2006, 06:00 PM
"VKG4LFE" wrote:

"PurpleRide" wrote:

Polad is still the worst owner in MN sports history! Red never threatend to move the team that is fiction. I give Red credit for finally filling the dump, he was a penny pincher, but every owner except glenn taylor and zigy(for now) has been a penny pincher. Has anyone noticed how low the payroll is for the wild. One of pro sports most profitble teams? Blast McCombs for the last 2 years of ownership, but don't make others look better for it. Polad is a cheep old basterd, the worst owner ever in MN sports. The wild ownership is cheep, refusing to put a decent team on the ice. The only reason they both get credit is because they "are one of us". Get over it, if you haven't looked around lately this state has become more backwords than mississippi. I admit I wasn't thrilled with McCombs the last few years, I did understand the fact the metrodome is a pile, why invest money when you are going to loose as much as he did year in and year out. The metrodome is the problem here not the owner or previous.
Oh to the "not my money" crew when talking about stadiums. Nothing from your paycheck will be taxed, your property will not be taxed, the only thing taxed is when you purchase something, and that tax is a fraction of a penny.


I don't know, how about Norm Green. He actually moved a team out of the state. Pohlad and McCombs just tried to move the teams, but they never succeeded. Well, I guess they are all just a-holes.We as a state refused to help out the north stars thats why they left. Sounds simular to what the twins and vikings are dealing with now. I just hope if either or boith teams move, the blame should not be on the owners but the retards that run this state. McCombs never tried to move the team it was media speculation trying to stir the pot, trying to make people think if your not from here you dont belong here b/s. Some in the media and around the state have said the same about zigy. Maybe this state is the problem not the owners of the teams. We tend to think theses are our teams until something like a stadium comes up. Then its their probem not ours. Both teams will be gone without a new stadium and yes the state should help because the state benifits in many ways having pro sports teams.

snowinapril
02-11-2006, 06:18 PM
"BigEasyViking" wrote:

I don't know that we can Blame 'OL Red for us not getting a Super Bowl, and I don't really care either. The only thing that I care about is that now we do have an owner and coaching staff that is dedicated to winning. We will get ours, and that day will be sweet!

I don't think that this is the point. I think it implied that he could have maybe added a piece to the puzzle at that time and didn't, but it was his unwillingness to upgrade the team after that year. So close and he just said, "we got a good team, we don't need help in 98-99. All you guys go back out there and try again." The problem is he kept saying that and kept losing talent year after year.

One thing in the ORGs defense is this, we had some faces on the team that were emerging, like Hovan. I think he was suppose to be the next Randle, so we let Randle go. Granted Randle was up there in age, but it may have helped to keep him another year or two. But what I was getting at is the guys thatt the org thought were going to replace some of that lost talent couldn't step it up to the level of old. We had a tradition at LB, Blair, Studwell, Del Rio, Wong, what's wong wit dat? Actually like Kylee Wong, but we let him go, granted, he was no Del Rio, but I think he is better than anything we have had since. Oh well, point again is this. No one was there to carry the torch as the old players left and Red and the Office didn't get FAs to keep the team competative.

singersp
02-11-2006, 06:24 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:

"BigEasyViking" wrote:

I don't know that we can Blame 'OL Red for us not getting a Super Bowl, and I don't really care either. The only thing that I care about is that now we do have an owner and coaching staff that is dedicated to winning. We will get ours, and that day will be sweet!

I don't think that this is the point. I think it implied that he could have maybe added a piece to the puzzle at that time and didn't, but it was his unwillingness to upgrade the team after that year. So close and he just said, "we got a good team, we don't need help in 98-99. All you guys go back out there and try again." The problem is he kept saying that and kept losing talent year after year.

One thing in the ORGs defense is this, we had some faces on the team that were emerging, like Hovan. I think he was suppose to be the next Randle, so we let Randle go. Granted Randle was up there in age, but it may have helped to keep him another year or two. But what I was getting at is the guys thatt the org thought were going to replace some of that lost talent couldn't step it up to the level of old. We had a tradition at LB, Blair, Studwell, Del Rio, Wong, what's wong wit dat? Actually like Kylee Wong, but we let him go, granted, he was no Del Rio, but I think he is better than anything we have had since. Oh well, point again is this. No one was there to carry the torch as the old players left and Red and the Office didn't get FAs to keep the team competative.

I really liked Wong. That guy was always all over the field making plays.

snowinapril
02-11-2006, 06:33 PM
"PurpleRide" wrote:

We as a state refused to help out the north stars thats why they left. Sounds simular to what the twins and vikings are dealing with now. I just hope if either or boith teams move, the blame should not be on the owners but the Challenged Hillybilly Lovers that run this state. McCombs never tried to move the team it was media speculation trying to stir the pot, trying to make people think if your not from here you dont belong here b/s. Some in the media and around the state have said the same about zigy. Maybe this state is the problem not the owners of the teams. We tend to think theses are our teams until something like a stadium comes up. Then its their probem not ours. Both teams will be gone without a new stadium and yes the state should help because the state benifits in many ways having pro sports teams.

I agree, the state leg and the people are part of the problem, but the original article was about how Red didn't improve the team over the years and how he just kept pinching the pennies. The whole stadium issue doesn't really apply here unless you think he was being spiteful not spending the money because the fans and the state wouldn't help him out by building the team a new stadium. "I won't spend my money until you do."

Yes, the Twolves owner "Glen," hasn't had anything bad said about him in a long time. He is a homestate boy, with some connections. He hasn't asked for much from the state which helps. The Target center is a drop in the bucket compared to a baseball or football stadium.

The peeps got their priorities mixed up. The Gophers can play anywhere and the people will still come. The Gophers aren't moving anywhere ANYtime soon.

Get the Pro Teams set first. Keep them happy!

If you didn't like the last part about the Gophers, you are part of the problem. Yes the Gophers could benenfit from having a new stadium, but it is not the priority. I would love to see them on the campus of UM but it isn't a priority.

Webby
02-11-2006, 06:38 PM
"PurpleRide" wrote:

"VKG4LFE" wrote:

"PurpleRide" wrote:

Polad is still the worst owner in MN sports history! Red never threatend to move the team that is fiction. I give Red credit for finally filling the dump, he was a penny pincher, but every owner except glenn taylor and zigy(for now) has been a penny pincher. Has anyone noticed how low the payroll is for the wild. One of pro sports most profitble teams? Blast McCombs for the last 2 years of ownership, but don't make others look better for it. Polad is a cheep old basterd, the worst owner ever in MN sports. The wild ownership is cheep, refusing to put a decent team on the ice. The only reason they both get credit is because they "are one of us". Get over it, if you haven't looked around lately this state has become more backwords than mississippi. I admit I wasn't thrilled with McCombs the last few years, I did understand the fact the metrodome is a pile, why invest money when you are going to loose as much as he did year in and year out. The metrodome is the problem here not the owner or previous.
Oh to the "not my money" crew when talking about stadiums. Nothing from your paycheck will be taxed, your property will not be taxed, the only thing taxed is when you purchase something, and that tax is a fraction of a penny.


I don't know, how about Norm Green. He actually moved a team out of the state. Pohlad and McCombs just tried to move the teams, but they never succeeded. Well, I guess they are all just a-holes.We as a state refused to help out the north stars thats why they left. Sounds simular to what the twins and vikings are dealing with now. I just hope if either or boith teams move, the blame should not be on the owners but the Challenged Hillybilly Lovers that run this state. McCombs never tried to move the team it was media speculation trying to stir the pot, trying to make people think if your not from here you dont belong here b/s. Some in the media and around the state have said the same about zigy. Maybe this state is the problem not the owners of the teams. We tend to think theses are our teams until something like a stadium comes up. Then its their probem not ours. Both teams will be gone without a new stadium and yes the state should help because the state benifits in many ways having pro sports teams.

Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner!

VKG4LFE
02-11-2006, 06:49 PM
I still hate Norm Green, so there!

snowinapril
02-11-2006, 06:54 PM
Another thing about Glen Taylor, he has TWO business, maybe more that I don't know about, in the state of MN. He is going to pull more weight than an owner from outside the state.

I wish that Taylor could have bought the Vikes but he didn't. I sometimes wonder why he didn't, probably becasue he knows that the Dome deal is not good and that it would be to big of a battle for the stadium. He probably knew that it would be harmful to his other business opportunities in MN if he had to but heads with the legislature.

With all this being said, RED was cheap. No way around that. He fleeced the people of MN and if the people dwell on that foact for too much longer, the new owner will be forced to do the same, but it will be in the form of taking your team somewhere other than MN where they will PROBABLY pay for the entire statium and ZIGGY won't have to drop a DIME.

Wouldn't that be nice for The Zigmeister. People treat this like they have some sort of leverage. If he is willing to pay half, that is fair, figure it out.

Get it done!

BigMoInAZ
02-11-2006, 10:59 PM
http://www.vikingsmessageboard.com/images/smiles/appl.gifNicely put snowinapril!

snowinapril
02-12-2006, 08:52 AM
"BigMoInAZ" wrote:

http://www.vikingsmessageboard.com/images/smiles/appl.gifNicely put snowinapril!

Thank You!

I just can't believe that there isn't some support from the fans in the state to do some lobbying or something. Just becasue one isn't in the state government, doesn't mean they can't do something about it. The people have a voice. I just think they keep letting the politicians and the newspapers tell them what their voice should be.

Can anyone give me an example of people standing up for the Vikes Stadium?

UTVikfan
02-12-2006, 01:55 PM
I hope Caine chimes in on this topic. His names and understanding of Red is far too good to miss. I am sure glad we have moved on from Red.

That was a great read, thanks for posting it, Singersp. Thats one of the major reasons I log onto this site, ...news I can't get or wouldn't have ran onto.

singersp
02-12-2006, 04:18 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:

"BigMoInAZ" wrote:

http://www.vikingsmessageboard.com/images/smiles/appl.gifNicely put snowinapril!

Thank You!

I just can't believe that there isn't some support from the fans in the state to do some lobbying or something. Just becasue one isn't in the state government, doesn't mean they can't do something about it. The people have a voice. I just think they keep letting the politicians and the newspapers tell them what their voice should be.

Can anyone give me an example of people standing up for the Vikes Stadium?

There are probably several, but there voices aren't heard. If a letter is sent to someone in the government that is anti-stadium, I'm sure it just get's filed in drawer 13.

If a person is going to write, at least write to someone who is pro-stadium. You would stand a better chance of your voice being heard.

I have yet to here of a petition, rally or some other means where the pro-stadiums voices have been heard.

sleepagent
02-12-2006, 04:29 PM
From living in states other than Minnesota I can tell you this. Your political leaders will never vote for a stadium, especially in down economic times, if they feel it will hurt their political future. Until the population in general gets upset, they are just going to continue to just give "lipservice" to keep teams from leaving.

If you really want to see a new stadium, then there has to be a grass roots effort of signing a petition, e-mailing the appropriate leadership, and calling their offices. Let them know where you stand on this.

If they can't put it to bed, they will build it to get you off their backs . . . if they think it is a popular subject with the voters!!!

singersp
02-12-2006, 04:51 PM
"sleepagent" wrote:

From living in states other than Minnesota I can tell you this. Your political leaders will never vote for a stadium, especially in down economic times, if they feel it will hurt their political future. Until the population in general gets upset, they are just going to continue to just give "lipservice" to keep teams from leaving.

If you really want to see a new stadium, then there has to be a grass roots effort of signing a petition, e-mailing the appropriate leadership, and calling their offices. Let them know where you stand on this.

If they can't put it to bed, they will build it to get you off their backs . . . if they think it is a popular subject with the voters!!!

It's quite simple;

Let the legislatures know that the majority of the population will vote in pro-stadium" officials only.

If they're anti-stadium, they are OUT!

Also, show them the ROI figures (Return on Investment) & the payback time on the investment.

FedjeViking
02-12-2006, 05:17 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:

Another thing about Glen Taylor, he has TWO business, maybe more that I don't know about, in the state of MN. He is going to pull more weight than an owner from outside the state.

I wish that Taylor could have bought the Vikes but he didn't. I sometimes wonder why he didn't, probably becasue he knows that the Dome deal is not good and that it would be to big of a battle for the stadium. He probably knew that it would be harmful to his other business opportunities in MN if he had to but heads with the legislature.

With all this being said, RED was cheap. No way around that. He fleeced the people of MN and if the people dwell on that foact for too much longer, the new owner will be forced to do the same, but it will be in the form of taking your team somewhere other than MN where they will PROBABLY pay for the entire statium and ZIGGY won't have to drop a DIME.

Wouldn't that be nice for The Zigmeister. People treat this like they have some sort of leverage. If he is willing to pay half, that is fair, figure it out.

Get it done!

That is exactly the problem, but I hope the Zigmeister doesn't get involved business wise in MN until he has the stadium! He really needs to fire up the people of the state to push for the stadium. Politicians do not want to cross the people who vote them into their jobs!

UKVikingMike
02-12-2006, 05:30 PM
the whole Red McCombs era confuses me (I apologise for not being the most informed person but am still learning)

How did he come into a position to be able to buy an NFL team and why he would enter into this. Admittedly he made himself a tidy sum, but by what looks like a series of bad moves, hurting the team and himself, as the potential profit would surely be increased with a more desirable, successful team. Not the move of a business savvy individual, but how did the organisation let this happen. surely teams of advisor and experts surrounded him at every turn, could no-one present to him a plan of investment that showed ROIs that would loosen his purse strings. Was the organisation really owned by a crazed miser dictator who had settled for a set return on his investment, with no drive for silverwear or building for sucess. Or was simply misinformed and lacking the football knowledge to confidently take the team forward.
The article suggests the Fans may have been blinded by near misses and mediocre success, but what of the those people with more informed, with closer ties to the organisation. Could they not see the rot setting in, made more noise.
I apprieciate the owner is the owner, the man with the money and the final say. But owners change, maybe not so often, but is there not a greater body of experience of the organisation that still has ties that can still be drawn on for advice or are respected enough for their point of view to be taken seriously. I would like to think there is to some extent, and hopefully Red just ignored them or not enough was said.

Hopefully this is a confused rant, and hopefully the new owner and the staff he has brought in will do all that is neccessary to bring success to the Vikings and secure it for the future.

snowinapril
02-12-2006, 06:30 PM
"UKVikingMike" wrote:

the whole Red McCombs era confuses me (I apologise for not being the most informed person but am still learning)

How did he come into a position to be able to buy an NFL team and why he would enter into this. Admittedly he made himself a tidy sum, but by what looks like a series of bad moves, hurting the team and himself, as the potential profit would surely be increased with a more desirable, successful team. Not the move of a business savvy individual, but how did the organisation let this happen. surely teams of advisor and experts surrounded him at every turn, could no-one present to him a plan of investment that showed ROIs that would loosen his purse strings. Was the organisation really owned by a crazed miser dictator who had settled for a set return on his investment, with no drive for silverwear or building for sucess. Or was simply misinformed and lacking the football knowledge to confidently take the team forward.
The article suggests the Fans may have been blinded by near misses and mediocre success, but what of the those people with more informed, with closer ties to the organisation. Could they not see the rot setting in, made more noise.
I apprieciate the owner is the owner, the man with the money and the final say. But owners change, maybe not so often, but is there not a greater body of experience of the organisation that still has ties that can still be drawn on for advice or are respected enough for their point of view to be taken seriously. I would like to think there is to some extent, and hopefully Red just ignored them or not enough was said.

Hopefully this is a confused rant, and hopefully the new owner and the staff he has brought in will do all that is neccessary to bring success to the Vikings and secure it for the future.

Red, a slum lord or a manager of a posh condo.

IMO, he bought a posh condo and managed it like a low rent apartment. Then the property value went up and a real condo manager came in and had to tidy it up a bit, which is more work than it sounds.