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singersp
01-20-2006, 07:28 AM
From RealGMFootball.com;

Vikings Stuck On Same Old Cycle With Childress

Authored by John McMullen - 19th January, 2006 - 7:27 pm

With change comes hope and when Brad Childress was named to be just the seventh head coach in Minnesota Vikings’ history, the fans were rightfully excited.

After all Childress comes from a winning program with the Philadelphia Eagles and developed a reputation as a disciplinarian, something the Vikings sorely needed according to the plethora of talking heads that dot the airwaves in the Twin Cities.

Forget the fact that Childress had never called his own plays in Philadelphia or that the disciplinarian tag was fodder for a comedian’s act after the Terrell Owens fiasco -- the Minnesota fans had a right to be energized.

Everyone knew there had to be a change in the defensive culture that has pervaded the organization since the early ‘90s and Childress coached in the same city as Jim Johnson.

Johnson, the uber-agressive Eagles defensive coordinator, is known for blitzing at any time from any angle to make sure the opposing quarterback never gets comfortable in the pocket. That, in itself should have generated enthusiasm.

Unfortunately most long-time observers of Minnesota football realized pretty quickly that Childress was just more of the same dressed in a different outfit. You see, the dirty little secret in the NFL is that most coaches are virtually the same, much like the cookie-cutter stadiums that dotted the sports landscape during the Astroturf phenomenon.

The true greats in the coaching profession, like Bill Belichick and Joe Gibbs, are mavericks, who constantly adapt to a changing landscape with innovative and bold plans.

With one hiring, Childress proved he is not an innovator or a maverick -- just the latest in a long line of copycats who couldn’t even recognize an original thought, never mind have the testicular fortitude to carry it out.

If the average Minnesota fan understood the NFL, when Childress tabbed Mike Tomlin to be his defensive coordinator, they would have gasped and quietly uttered “ No....not again.”

Instead Childress was lauded for hiring a proponent of the vaunted “Tampa-cover-two” defense. The ridiculously rigid scheme that is adhered to like the Gospel by NFL zealots who have no idea what the intracacies of the scheme are.

First, a history lesson.

“Tampa-cover two” is a misnomer. The Minnesota Vikings have been using this defense as their primary scheme since Dennis Green arrived in Minneapolis-St. Paul in 1992 with a young hard working defensive coordinator named; you guessed it, Tony Dungy.

While younger fans that have followed the Vikings might find this hard to believe, those early Green teams were successful because of the team’s defense not the offense.

Green and Dungy inherited a spectacular defensive line featuring two of the greatest pass rushers in the modern era, Chris Doleman and John Randle. Add to that -- a third Pro-Bowl caliber lineman in Henry Thomas and an undersized speed rusher who excelled on the Metrodome turf, Al Noga.

The Vikings also acquired an extremely smart middle linebacker who had a rare, innate ability to excel in zone coverage despite lacking great speed, Jack Del Rio.

Now you might be able to understand why Dungy developed his “reputation” as a “defensive genius.” Those Vikings teams were able to get to the quarterback without the blitz and Del Rio was taking away the seam, the two things needed to make the cover-two succeed.

That enabled pedestrian cornerbacks like Audray McMillian and Anthony Parker to put up great numbers by sitting deep in the zone and waiting for the overthrow.

It was all great.................until the playoffs, when the scheme was exposed. You see, eventually these cover-two teams, face good or even great teams that can pass block and hold off the pressure. The result for a competent NFL quarterback? It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

Easy throw after easy throw while the soft, inflexible defense waits for a mistake that isn’t coming. One upper-echelon quarterback once described to it me like this. -- “ It’s like playing against a prevent defense for 60 minutes.”

The scary part is, imploding in the playoffs is your fate when you have the personnel to excel in the scheme. When you don’t get that pass rush or have a good zone linebacker -- forget about it.

Look at the 2005 Vikings. I hate to break it two the fans but public enemy No. 1 in Minnesota, Ted Cottrell (the Vikings former defensive coordinator), used the cover-two about 60 percent of the time.

Despite having the best trio of cornerbacks in team history (Antoine Winfield, Brian Williams and Fred Smoot), the Vikings pass defense was still abhorrent because the front four couldn’t get to the quarterback consistently and the team’s linebackers were hopeless in zone coverage.

From all accounts, Tomlin is an extremely hard worker who will give his all to the position but if his old employer is any indication, you can expect Minnesota to line up in the cover-two 70 to 80 percent of the time.

Translation -- Childress is already a disappointment.

You can reach John McMullen at jmcmullen1@comcast.net

sking
01-20-2006, 07:38 AM
John can suck my johnson!!! What a negative nancy!!! Give the guy a chance for a minute, will ya!!!

cajunvike
01-20-2006, 07:40 AM
WTF! That McMillan dude is a putz...a very LITTLE putz for sure!

fourdoorchevelle
01-20-2006, 07:56 AM
not sure how some 1 can say that childress is a failure. he has yet to coach 1 game. shit the guys undefeated.

Mr. Purple
01-20-2006, 07:57 AM
we'll see who gets the last laugh.

DeathtoDenny
01-20-2006, 09:25 AM
He's right. We're all excited about this "cover 2" that we've already had for years. We need a 3-4 and some good linebackers, or a much better offense. Lets hope Tomlin can at least improve the implosive Vikes D.

snowinapril
01-20-2006, 09:27 AM
First off as a VIking fan, it seems a bit negative.

But, I think he is just saying it appears that Childress is just trying to be the cookie cutter. He is adopting the things that are popular in the NFL right now.

But what I also read is that the good coaches have to be able to think and adapt. He doesn't see Childress as such. But he never says that it is out of the possibility that Childress will be able to adapt and innovate the game.

I hope that he and Tomlin will be innovators and that is why it is titles "same old cycle." Here we are wishing again.

MensaTice
01-20-2006, 09:38 AM
My problem with this article is that he is blasting Childress for not being an innovator and calls him a copycat. This may turn out to be true and he may get exposed by more innovative coaches, but this is the first time as coordinators for both of his hires so this writer does not know exactly what we will do or how Childress may be as an innovator. Obviously, the Cover 2 will be used but calling him a copycat based on these hires is ridiculous. Was Childress supposed to hire a DC from a system that hasn't been successful? Just a guess here but I'm sure Tomlin has a brain and isn't some robot that will do the exact same things from Tampa, but will implement his own version.

RK.
01-20-2006, 10:09 AM
McMullen is a Joe Buck clone. It's not the coach's or teams that are almost all the same in the NFL it's the stupid sports pundits like this guy that trade real insight for snotty comments because they don't know crap about the game, players, or fans. What a putz.

AngloVike
01-20-2006, 10:35 AM
Methinks this smacks of a journalist getting in a negative view so that, if he by some chance was right, can then say " yah told you so, you heard it here first !"
For his information anytime that you don't get pressure on the QB then you can be in trouble and that true whether you run a 3-4, 4-3, Cover 2 or rush all 11 players at the QB - hardly rocket science is it ?

Questioning Childress and Tomlin for not being innovators is totally wrong, after all who at this stage of the year really knows what they are going to do ?? Hell I bet even they are looking at several possibilities. No smart coach is going to start laying down any gameplans or schemes to people in January when the season doesn't start until September.

Gotta love these two-bit paid journalists ..... find better views and opinions on the fan sites than muppets like McMullen write !

NordicNed
01-20-2006, 01:26 PM
I actually got about half way thru the read, then scrolled down to my reply...

That is, this guy is a looser....... John Who?

Wiggles67
01-20-2006, 04:34 PM
I cant see how you can call someone a failure before they have even completed hiring a coaching staff!? He hasnt gone through FA, the draft, training camp, or anything! I can kind of see his point that he might be implimenting the same ideas or schemes that have exisisted here before but arent these the same defenses that have put Indy on the map and map TB an incredible D over the past 6 years or so?

This guy is an idoit and these acusations are totally unfounded. You cant fail before you have even started. You'd think these writers could find something with some substance to actually write about. :roll:

NodakPaul
01-20-2006, 04:46 PM
He's right. We're all excited about this "cover 2" that we've already had for years.

Cover 2 is a basic defensive scheme. Kinda like the WCO is a basic offensive scheme. Just because two different teams use the cover 2 doesn't mean that they are running identical defenses. Look at the differences between the Bear's Cover 2 and Tampa's Cover 2.

Saying that we are getting excited over a scheme that "we've already had for years" is misleading. Our defense will be playing a lot different next season. Watch for more pass rushing, the occasional blitz (did we EVER blitz last season), and more physical corners. I am excited!

Prophet
01-20-2006, 05:04 PM
Unfortunately most long-time observers of Minnesota football realized pretty quickly that Childress was just more of the same dressed in a different outfit.

..more of the same, but with a brain. That makes a difference.

COJOMAY
01-20-2006, 05:24 PM
He begins the article blaming Childress for doing the same old "cookie" cutter thing. But then he goes on to say it wasn't anyone's fault that the Vikings failed with it because they had bad players! Well, DUHHHHHHHH! It was because Green was to cheak to cough up any dough to get good players. Any team that is $25 million under the cap is certainly not paying for quality players.
So it may take a couple of years but Childress and the rest of his gang will find the kind of players than can play the Cover 2 or any other defensive scheme they use. And Wilf will shell out the money for them.
It's that simple!

Muggsy
01-20-2006, 07:48 PM
S'cuse me, I been in stir too long mebbe, but, didn't da Tampa Bay Buccaneers mop up da stadium with Rich Gannon, one of da best passers of his time, in Super Bowl 37? Now, lemme see, what defense was dey usin'....?

Dis punk is just writing out of his sphincter. He's like Tom Powers, always squawkin' and whinin' about da Vikes. Don't pay no attention to him, y'know?

We're doin' ok so far. Youse fellow Viking fans got nuttin' ta worry about.

snowinapril
01-20-2006, 08:24 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:

He begins the article blaming Childress for doing the same old "cookie" cutter thing. But then he goes on to say it wasn't anyone's fault that the Vikings failed with it because they had bad players! Well, DUHHHHHHHH! It was because Green was to cheak to cough up any dough to get good players. Any team that is $25 million under the cap is certainly not paying for quality players.
So it may take a couple of years but Childress and the rest of his gang will find the kind of players than can play the Cover 2 or any other defensive scheme they use. And Wilf will shell out the money for them.
It's that simple!

Did you mean Green or Red?

snowinapril
01-20-2006, 08:28 PM
"OldManVike" wrote:

S'cuse me, I been in stir too long mebbe, but, didn't da Tampa Bay Buccaneers mop up da stadium with Rich Gannon, one of da best passers of his time, in Super Bowl 37? Now, lemme see, what defense was dey usin'....?

Dis punk is just writing out of his sphincter. He's like Tom Powers, always squawkin' and whinin' about da Vikes. Don't pay no attention to him, y'know?

We're doin' ok so far. Youse fellow Viking fans got nuttin' ta worry about.

Good point about the Bucs and the SB.

It will help if we get good production up front this year. Last year, we were not getting to the QB. Got to do better this year. With our D line healthy and with the right scheme, we should do well. Top ten D next year or bust.

The Bucs had a stellar D line. Rice, Sapp, Achiti Ahanatu(sp) and ?.

PurplePumpkin
01-20-2006, 08:38 PM
John McMullen should work for star tribune with his negative additude. I'm really looking forward to next season with Childress and Tomlin! That being said there is one thing that bothers me. With all the Tampa 2 defenses going into the playoffs this year Buc's, Colts, Bear's and Redskin's they all have been elimated already. I only saw the Bear's and the Colt's games, but in all honesty thier defenses really choked! Does this bother anybody else?

snowinapril
01-20-2006, 08:44 PM
correlation doesn't prove causality

I would not let it bother you about the Tampa Two.

It comes down to how the game was played and coached (and reffed).

With that said, I can't wait for next season. Let's play some FOOTBALL.

Man I am excited, only 215 days more to go.

Webby, get the countdown clock going on the home page.

RAHHHHHHhhhhhh!!!!

Big C
01-20-2006, 08:46 PM
The only thing I agree with on that article is:

"I hate to break it two the fans but public enemy No. 1 in Minnesota, Ted Cottrell (the Vikings former defensive coordinator)".

NordicNed
01-20-2006, 08:55 PM
I'll go out on a limb and say, we will have a top 7 defense next year..

And our offense may start off a bit slow, but my mid season the Offense will be clicking and the D ticking..

Who knows how far we can go into the playoffs next year....

NodakPaul
01-20-2006, 08:57 PM
Who knows how far we can go into the playoffs next year....

I will be happy just making the playoffs next year! (And I really, really want a home playoff game!)

I agree, our defense will be in the top 10 os so next year, but I also think we will need to spend some time rebuilding over the next couple of years before our team is ready to win the superbowl.

snowinapril
01-20-2006, 08:59 PM
"VikingNed" wrote:

I'll go out on a limb and say, we will have a top 7 defense next year..

And our offense may start off a bit slow, but my mid season the Offense will be clicking and the D ticking..

Who knows how far we can go into the playoffs next year....

Ned, you are the first person I think to mention next years playoffs in the thousands of post since I don't know when.

You are out on a limb now.

I hope you are right.

Man, with all the negativity that was flowing from all (most) the last week or so with all the BJ and DC talk and such........(sarcasm on).....this is way to positive of a post.......(sarcasm off).

cajunvike
01-20-2006, 09:00 PM
"VikingNed" wrote:

I'll go out on a limb and say, we will have a top 7 defense next year..

And our offense may start off a bit slow, but my mid season the Offense will be clicking and the D ticking..

Who knows how far we can go into the playoffs next year....

GO NED!!! Way to tell 'em...the Vikings will ROCK next season!!! :grin:

snowinapril
01-20-2006, 09:01 PM
"NodakPaul" wrote:

Who knows how far we can go into the playoffs next year....

I will be happy just making the playoffs next year! (And I really, really want a home playoff game!)

I agree, our defense will be in the top 10 os so next year, but I also think we will need to spend some time rebuilding over the next couple of years before our team is ready to win the superbowl.


(sarcasm on)..
Oh no, you've done it, that is just way to much to wish for, holy cow, who do you think you are wishing for that much to happen in one season..... then the Super Bowl...(sarcasm off)..

COJOMAY
01-20-2006, 09:06 PM
Snow: I meant RED. I get my Christmas colors mixed up! LOL

snowinapril
01-20-2006, 09:07 PM
Unfortunately most long-time observers of Minnesota football realized pretty quickly that Childress was just more of the same dressed in a different outfit. You see, the dirty little secret in the NFL is that most coaches are virtually the same, much like the cookie-cutter stadiums that dotted the sports landscape during the Astroturf phenomenon.

This writer must not think that Bud Grant's opinion counts for anything.

Bud seems to me like a "long time observer of Minnesota football."

Bud actually got to spend hours with Childress and liked the guy.

snowinapril
01-20-2006, 09:08 PM
"COJOMAY" wrote:

Snow: I meant RED. I get my Christmas colors mixed up! LOL

I am partially color blind, so I know what you mean. Red and Green are horrible colors and easily mixed up.

80_was_the_man
01-20-2006, 09:45 PM
Just t ake a look at the article...Im not taking advice from a guy who writes like a elementary sschool kid.

And plus correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the bucs win a Super Bowl with two components we have now.....Brad Johnson and Tomlin with his schemes....yea what a failure.

singersp
01-21-2006, 01:46 AM
"snowinapril" wrote:

Unfortunately most long-time observers of Minnesota football realized pretty quickly that Childress was just more of the same dressed in a different outfit. You see, the dirty little secret in the NFL is that most coaches are virtually the same, much like the cookie-cutter stadiums that dotted the sports landscape during the Astroturf phenomenon.

This writer must not think that Bud Grant's opinion counts for anything.

Bud seems to me like a "long time observer of Minnesota football."

Bud actually got to spend hours with Childress and liked the guy.

FYI, Bud liked Tice as well.

collegeguyjeff
01-21-2006, 05:03 AM
im gonna email that fool

there i emailed him and told him if he knows so much why isn't he a coach? that looser needs to get a real job rather than try to think he knows everything about football.

njpurple
01-21-2006, 03:28 PM
You are bashing the new coaching staff & they did not even play one game yet, not even a minin camp together, gee give them a break.