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DaunteHOF
10-31-2005, 04:08 AM
For all those that said it cant get any worst, well it has but trying to stay positive look on the bright side, this is a playoff team, this is a atleast 10 win team. Come back next year with a real head coach and staff. free agency once again making us better than a draft with higher picks, more steals.

I dont know... :roll:

umaguma1979
10-31-2005, 04:10 AM
Hopefully some time away from the game will help develop Culpepper as a marque passer.

ultravikingfan
10-31-2005, 04:11 AM
The famous saying, "there is always next year!" :wink:

cajunvike
10-31-2005, 04:12 AM
OK...

the sun'll come up...tomorrow...
you can bet your bottom dollar...tomorrow...

Tomorrow, tomorrow...I love ya tomorrow...
You're always a day away!!!

Other than that, the future looks pretty bleak for our guys...if Daunte IS indeed lost for the season.

cc21
10-31-2005, 04:13 AM
Well I would try and look on the brightside, but there really isnt one. Ummmmm.... well i guess Pat Williams is doing good. Thats all I can really think of.

umaguma1979
10-31-2005, 04:15 AM
Yeah, thats true and thats what its looking like. Without Culpepper, we look like a team without an identity. If Pep is done for the year and thats what its looking like - I think tice needs to fire Cottrell and give someone else a chance at running the D. With the players we have to play this poorly is unacceptable.

bleedpurple27
10-31-2005, 04:21 AM
"coreychavous21" wrote:

Well I would try and look on the brightside, but there really isnt one. Ummmmm.... well i guess Pat Williams is doing good. Thats all I can really think of.

Hey....let's not forget the punter!! Our punter is a sure pro bowler....right?

vikinggreg
10-31-2005, 04:24 AM
Yeah the foundation is still there with the players, Red is gone, Zygi will spend some money to get the supporting staff in place, and they will be here to make a mark at the draft. Brett Favre will come back next year to throw more ints trying to get thse 29 tds he's looking for, and we will all have a good laugh :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Zygi will get the stadium plans back on track and there will be none of this scandel crap we saw this year.

We will win more than 3 this year as well...... maybe....... 6 :wink:

Daunte will be back!

umaguma1979
10-31-2005, 04:28 AM
I think Daunte will play much lighter next year - perhaps around 240. He will need to become a better pocket passer to overcome the injury

gregair13
10-31-2005, 06:44 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:

The famous saying, "there is always next year!" :wink:
im not ready to say that yet, but as soon as we know the mri results, then i will probley be agreeing with that saying.

umaguma1979
10-31-2005, 06:56 AM
Dont get me wrong - I hope he overcomes this and i think he will. he has overcome many hardships in his life.

michaelmazid
10-31-2005, 07:28 AM
Its gonna be a long year if we have to watch that statue Brad Jhonson in the pocket this year. :sad:

finnishvikingsfan
10-31-2005, 07:59 AM
There are a few bright spots but I personally think this game broke our hearts. We still have a shot at the division we still have players that will get go to the pro bowl. (Kluwe and Pat Williams) We still get to watch Moore and Williamson develop into good players. I am sure later in the year our team will start gelling together.

mackd10
10-31-2005, 09:03 AM
Hopefully this set back will get the gravy trainers off our back and the real fans will support the team. We need to stick with them, and make the changes at the end of the season. It can only get better.

RK.
10-31-2005, 09:50 AM
"michaelmazid" wrote:

Its gonna be a long year if we have to watch that statue Brad Jhonson in the pocket this year. :sad:

Well if our line could make a pocket it might not be too bad. :razz:

Paulbedy59
10-31-2005, 11:08 AM
This is still a talented team.It just has no brain or leadership fom its staff.Kep these guys(or most of them),have a good draft,and put a real coaching staff behind them.LOL in other words wait till next year.

singersp
10-31-2005, 12:07 PM
We still beat the Cheesedicks & they're in the cellar. I don't care if GB's record is 1-6 or 6-1, it always great to beat 'em.

Core
10-31-2005, 12:24 PM
Quick question, is this forum the place for vikings fans, you know, fans of the Vikings football team or people who dislikes Favre and the packers. Its just plain sad that apparently a huge part of many “Vikings fans� it’s the hate towards Favre that is the fuel. When he retires, what on earth are you going to focus on? Culpepper just got injured bad and the board is still crapping up with comment like this and that Favre got owned. There has got to be more in being a Viking fan than this.

singersp
10-31-2005, 12:36 PM
What part of rivalry don't you understand? With this your 1st post & no favorite player, I can only assume 1 thing. Your true color will show by your 2nd or 3rd post & the verdict will be either welcome or bye-bye.

Look at the latest column topic on the right. There are several other threads out there not refering to the Packers

Core
10-31-2005, 01:20 PM
And there you have it: the only know response to a post which dosent praise someone within the viking org. or bash some other team.

singersp
10-31-2005, 01:38 PM
Why don't you read some of my posts before you judge. Your walking a very narrow fence Core & teetering on the wrong side.

If you're here to stay introduce yourself in the "Free Beer" thread, otherwise there are a couple of Packer forums you can go visit.

DaScRuM
10-31-2005, 01:57 PM
Back to the "Bright side"------Here's my prediction. Viking fans are going to have to "suck it up" for the next couple of years. I think it's a foregone conclusion that the coaching staff is gone. BUT, I also believe we will see many roster changes as well. I am not a salary cap expert, but, I do know that enters into the equation---but, I would not be shocked to see major changes.

And Zygi, do the stadium right!!!

snowinapril
10-31-2005, 02:33 PM
"finnishvikingsfan" wrote:

There are a few bright spots but I personally think this game broke our hearts. We still have a shot at the division we still have players that will get go to the pro bowl. (Kluwe and Pat Williams) We still get to watch Moore and Williamson develop into good players. I am sure later in the year our team will start gelling together.

That is a good point. It is something to look forward to. I hope Pat gets the attention he deserves. Sometimes it is hard to be seen as a probowler on a non-playoff team.

whackthepack
10-31-2005, 03:12 PM
Right now it is hard to look for a bright side, I guess I got hopeful after the 2nd half of the Green Bay game that we could right this listing ship. But it looks like that is not possible at this point (I hope I am proven wrong), but it is hard being a Viking fan of over 35 years to see us struggle so when the season looked so bright coming out of the preseason.

Big C
10-31-2005, 03:43 PM
The season is not over but does look bleak. If Dante was playing at his pro-bowl level this season and he got injured, the season is down the drain. Sadly he was not. So his play was probably slightly better than Johnson's this year. Losing Dante is a big blow though never the less.

Anyway, the only bright side I can think of is finding out if our WRs are any good? Was it just Dante not seeing open WRs or are they just not capable of getting any separation? A few weeks with Johnson should answer that question. So far, Marcus Robinson has been the only effective WR (which I must admit suprised me). Burly, where are you?

Mr. Purple
10-31-2005, 04:36 PM
I'm not a negative nancy, but I kinda dont wanna go to playoffs without pepp, this guys are leader! I love this team, and we're stacked full of talent. But I gotta be real with myself, and I cant see us doin that much this year. We'll learn alot from this year.

Pirate
10-31-2005, 04:50 PM
Here is my version of the bright side......
Brad Johnson being a pocket QB will hopefully chew some butt if the O-line doesn't step up and keep a pocket for him. Anyone who questions his tactics can have a looksee at his ring. Creativity counts. :lol:

mrviking28
10-31-2005, 04:51 PM
We only have 3 more games away on grass and only one of those three (Giants) has a winning record (the other two being GB and Baltimore).
We have been getting our cans whooped by very good teams (well maybe not Chicago). We can still win this division at 8-8. Sure we wont go anywhere in the playoffs if that happens but it would still be nice to rub it in GB Fans faces!

gregair13
10-31-2005, 05:05 PM
its really ahrd to be positive now, but this was my plan after the bears game. beat the packers, lose until week 10, win week 10 against the giants, and then win the rest. that should be enough for the division.

snowinapril
10-31-2005, 05:06 PM
"WilliamsonOfTroy" wrote:

I'm not a negative nancy, but I kinda dont wanna go to playoffs without pepp, this guys are leader! I love this team, and we're stacked full of talent. But I gotta be real with myself, and I cant see us doin that much this year. We'll learn alot from this year.

It would be a boost for the rest of the team to be putting something good together on the field. To get some consistancy and win the division even with a crappy record. A win is a win.

Look at it this way, DC and Birk aren't sitting there wishing this team fails. Part of the team is part of the team or you shouldn't be on the team.

Muggsy
10-31-2005, 05:18 PM
DaunteHOF wrote:

...this is a atleast 10 win team.

Our schedule is as follows:
Lions
Giants
Packers
Browns
Lions
Rams
Steelers
Ravens
Bears

Right now, I foresee us beating the Lions twice, and the Browns. That's it. That would make us 5-11 for the year.

Although personally I like the guy, it will be bye-bye time for Mike Tice, and also for Ted Cottrell. Zygi will clean house as he will want to put his own stamp on this team. Hopefully, it will be for the better.

Couldn't get much worse.

SKOL, Viking fans!

mrviking28
10-31-2005, 05:22 PM
"OldManVike" wrote:

DaunteHOF wrote:

...this is a atleast 10 win team.

Our schedule is as follows:
Lions W
Giants L
Packers W
Browns W
Lions W
Rams L
Steelers L
Ravens W
Bears W

Right now, I foresee us beating the Lions twice, and the Browns. That's it. That would make us 5-11 for the year.

Although personally I like the guy, it will be bye-bye time for Mike Tice, and also for Ted Cottrell. Zygi will clean house as he will want to put his own stamp on this team. Hopefully, it will be for the better.

Couldn't get much worse.

SKOL, Viking fans!

8-8

Prophet
10-31-2005, 05:35 PM
The season is not over until we are mathematically eliminated. There is still life, it may be due to iron lungs, but the Vikes are still alive unless Kevorkian pulls the plug.

natethegreat
10-31-2005, 06:07 PM
the last two years we have had some really good winning streaks, maybe we can start one with the lions

mrviking28
10-31-2005, 06:10 PM
Most winning streaks usually do start with the Lions

whiteboy
10-31-2005, 06:17 PM
"mrviking28" wrote:

"OldManVike" wrote:

DaunteHOF wrote:

...this is a atleast 10 win team.

Our schedule is as follows:
Lions W
Giants L
Packers W
Browns W
Lions W
Rams W
Steelers L
Ravens W
Bears W

Right now, I foresee us beating the Lions twice, and the Browns. That's it. That would make us 5-11 for the year.

Although personally I like the guy, it will be bye-bye time for Mike Tice, and also for Ted Cottrell. Zygi will clean house as he will want to put his own stamp on this team. Hopefully, it will be for the better.

Couldn't get much worse.

SKOL, Viking fans!

8-8

i agree with most of your predictions, but i think we will beat st louis, call me crazy, but i just have a feeling

BigSkyvikefan
10-31-2005, 06:24 PM
We are doomed without Daunte. Brad Johnson wasn't bad five years ago, but let's get real here, he is most likely past his prime. Our only hope is that the rest of the team pulls it together in order to limp Brad along. Brad doesn't have the leadership skills, or the athletic ability that Daunte has. Let us Bow our heads and Pray......................

DCPologirl
10-31-2005, 06:29 PM
When do we get some news about Daunte?

Vikes
10-31-2005, 06:38 PM
"BigSkyvikefan" wrote:

We are doomed without Daunte. Brad Johnson wasn't bad five years ago, but let's get real here, he is most likely past his prime. Our only hope is that the rest of the team pulls it together in order to limp Brad along. Brad doesn't have the leadership skills, or the athletic ability that Daunte has. Let us Bow our heads and Pray......................

Stop crying...(SLAP) This is football people get hurt. We need to make the adjustment stopping crying about somthing we have NO control over and focus on beating the LIONS.

We still have a shot at the Divison so let's hope Pep gets well but lets get behind our new starting QB BJohnson.

Welcome back BJ and good luck. Heck if anything this is something else to try and get back to our winning ways.

"MEN WE STAY THE COURSE"

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y127/lotza119/vikescopy.jpg

cajunvike
10-31-2005, 06:50 PM
"BigSkyvikefan" wrote:

We are doomed without Daunte. Brad Johnson wasn't bad five years ago, but let's get real here, he is most likely past his prime. Our only hope is that the rest of the team pulls it together in order to limp Brad along. Brad doesn't have the leadership skills, or the athletic ability that Daunte has. Let us Bow our heads and Pray......................

Yeah...and him winning a Super Bowl ring is a total fluke...NOT! Last time I checked, Daunte doesn't have a ring...not dissing him or anything...but Brad deserves SOME respect...and he will do just fine...as long as the lazy butt OL gets their act together!!!

DCPologirl
10-31-2005, 06:54 PM
Cajun I hear ya and all but did anyone else notice that Brad looked tired and old on Sun? he is a great quarterback but he is old, and Daunte being out is going to put a strain on the teams already messed up morale.

RK.
10-31-2005, 07:18 PM
"DCPologirl" wrote:

Cajun I hear ya and all but did anyone else notice that Brad looked tired and old on Sun? he is a great quarterback but he is old, and Daunte being out is going to put a strain on the teams already messed up morale.
No he looks experienced. :razz: Was he ready to take over on Sunday? Probably not. Its been a while since he took regular season snaps. The real problem is our O-line. Manning couldn't play behind our line right now. When the pass rush is matching your drop step for step I don't care who you are, you are going to get sacked or be running for you life.

mrviking28
10-31-2005, 07:26 PM
"BigSkyvikefan" wrote:

We are doomed without Daunte. Brad Johnson wasn't bad five years ago, but let's get real here, he is most likely past his prime. Our only hope is that the rest of the team pulls it together in order to limp Brad along. Brad doesn't have the leadership skills, or the athletic ability that Daunte has. Let us Bow our heads and Pray......................

Dont worry about Brad. There have been many QB's "past their prime" that have gotten their teams into the playoffs. He just needs to shake the rust off. Its the defense that is really going to need to step it up.

BigSkyvikefan
10-31-2005, 07:27 PM
"Vikes" wrote:

"BigSkyvikefan" wrote:

We are doomed without Daunte. Brad Johnson wasn't bad five years ago, but let's get real here, he is most likely past his prime. Our only hope is that the rest of the team pulls it together in order to limp Brad along. Brad doesn't have the leadership skills, or the athletic ability that Daunte has. Let us Bow our heads and Pray......................

Stop crying...(SLAP) This is football people get hurt. We need to make the adjustment stopping crying about somthing we have NO control over and focus on beating the LIONS.

We still have a shot at the Divison so let's hope Pep gets well but lets get behind our new starting QB BJohnson.

Welcome back BJ and good luck. Heck if anything this is something else to try and get back to our winning ways.

"MEN WE STAY THE COURSE"

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y127/lotza119/vikescopy.jpg


Errr...............where did you get "Crying" out of anything I said? Mmmm.........All I said is that Brad, though he was good in his PRIME, is a little old and is going to need all the help he can get from the WHOLE team. As I said.............."Let us Bow our heads and Pray"............ :wink:

StillPurple
10-31-2005, 07:31 PM
I actually think Brad Johnson has faster reads and faster release than Culpepper. Johnson won't be able to "shrug" off a blitzing linebacker the way C-pepper can, and won't be mobile like C-pepper, but I think Johnson is a decent "ball control" QB who can *manage* the game for us.

I just think that the thing that kills us is penalties on offense. It kills drives. It seems like this plagues us in the 2nd quarter of every game, too.

Let's face it, the modern NFL is built around parity, and is like socialism: it forces everyone to be equal. Teams like the Patriots have found ways to beat that, but it is exception. The truth is, no team in the NFL is really all that far from being .500.

I guess that is a kind of consolation at this point. :sad:

WaywardHoosier
10-31-2005, 08:12 PM
This team may be worse than Les Stenkel's team. I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. This team is playing and acting so bad that it is hard to put in writing how hard it is to like this organization anymore. I have been a fan since 1971.

StillPurple
10-31-2005, 08:18 PM
I think that we could still pull things together. I mean, we are only 2-5. We need to win 3 games in a row, then let's talk about whether the season is over or not.

I guess I am an optimist. I see all the pieces there, but there is noone putting it all together. We have too many drives killed by guys on the O-line holding. No team, and I include the Pats, Colts and Steelers, can win if drives and long runs are called back because some tackle grabbed the opponent's jersey, and that happens to us constantly.

On the other hand, have have 6 or 7 guys who could be All-Pro: Winfield, K.Williams, Harris, Burleson, Mewelde, Sharper, etc. The talent is there. They just have to put the pieces together and execute much better.

mrviking28
10-31-2005, 08:33 PM
"WaywardHoosier" wrote:

This team may be worse than Les Stenkel's team. I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. This team is playing and acting so bad that it is hard to put in writing how hard it is to like this organization anymore. I have been a fan since 1971.

This team will win more than 3 games

DaunteHOF
10-31-2005, 09:42 PM
i meant a 10 win team based on talent not on how we'll finish this year...

BBQ Platypus
10-31-2005, 09:59 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:

"BigSkyvikefan" wrote:

We are doomed without Daunte. Brad Johnson wasn't bad five years ago, but let's get real here, he is most likely past his prime. Our only hope is that the rest of the team pulls it together in order to limp Brad along. Brad doesn't have the leadership skills, or the athletic ability that Daunte has. Let us Bow our heads and Pray......................

Yeah...and him winning a Super Bowl ring is a total fluke...NOT! Last time I checked, Daunte doesn't have a ring...not dissing him or anything...but Brad deserves SOME respect...and he will do just fine...as long as the lazy butt OL gets their act together!!!

Just because he was on a team that won the Super Bowl doesn't make him a winner and a leader. The Buccaneers won the Super Bowl because of their defense. Johnson had no more to do with it than their starting right tackle.

cajunvike
10-31-2005, 10:18 PM
"BBQ Platypus" wrote:

"cajunvike" wrote:

"BigSkyvikefan" wrote:

We are doomed without Daunte. Brad Johnson wasn't bad five years ago, but let's get real here, he is most likely past his prime. Our only hope is that the rest of the team pulls it together in order to limp Brad along. Brad doesn't have the leadership skills, or the athletic ability that Daunte has. Let us Bow our heads and Pray......................

Yeah...and him winning a Super Bowl ring is a total fluke...NOT! Last time I checked, Daunte doesn't have a ring...not dissing him or anything...but Brad deserves SOME respect...and he will do just fine...as long as the lazy butt OL gets their act together!!!

Just because he was on a team that won the Super Bowl doesn't make him a winner and a leader. The Buccaneers won the Super Bowl because of their defense. Johnson had no more to do with it than their starting right tackle.

He still had to lead the offense and had a pretty solid season:

Brad Johnson In 13 games, he was 281/451 (62.3%) for 3049 yards and he threw 22 TDs and only 6 INTs...not a bad season AND definitely one that made him worthy of that Super Bowl ring. Yeah, he's no Marino...but Marino would kill for that ring!!!

StillPurple
10-31-2005, 11:26 PM
I like the fact that Brad Johnson can manage a game without throwing picks all over the place. When he was at Tampa, they ran an extremely ball-control-oriented attack, which plodded down the field, but didn't give up the big pick the other way. That Super Bowl ring on Brad's finger also attests to the fact that that can work, too.

To be honest, I see no reason that the Vikings can't be 8-8 this year, or even 9-7. I mean, look at our remaining schedule, which IMHO will go down like this:

- Lions - will beat them at home. (W)
- at Giants - we will lose this one big-time. (L)
- at Green Bay - we win a close one, the Packers just stink. (W)
- Cleveland - they just lost to Houston. Nuff said.. (W)
- Detroit - we win. (W)
- Rams - probably lose (L)
- Pittsburgh - they will kill us (L)
- Baltimore - we can beat them (W)
- Chicago - we win at home (W)

... all in all, 8-8, and if we get lucky, 9-7. I mean, it is doable. All we need is for Detroit and the Bears to stumble a bit, and we win the NFC North.

I mean, it can happen !! :grin:

singersp
11-01-2005, 12:22 AM
Vikings - Brad Johnson

Bears - Kyle Orton (Rookie)

Lions - Jeff Garcia (The Bears pounded on him big time)

Packers - (Brett Favre - no team around him, still competitive, but 1-6)

WaywardHoosier
11-02-2005, 09:48 PM
The Bears and Lions go into OT with the winner getting the NFC North lead and glory. It just goes to show how equally bad these teams are. I hope Brad Johnson can be the spark to start a drastic turnaround to make it to 8-8 and easily clinch the NFC North.

What a bad year for the NFC North.

The Vikes have to improve in every aspect of the game right now with the exception of Edinger. He hass been the one bright spot so far.

SharperVikings
11-03-2005, 12:22 AM
At least theres next year...when we can start out with no injuries and whole new set of coaches! Hopefully pep heals correctly and b4 training camp!