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Vikes
10-20-2005, 10:00 PM
Okay this is a fair question was Red McComb a successful NFL owner?

Now put aside your hatered for the man. (Try to keep it clean)

Mesure his success or failure from a pure business standpoint, and NFL performance standpoint was Red McComb a success at the NFL level?

mrviking28
10-20-2005, 10:08 PM
No.
No Superbowl wins or appearances and the team declined after his first year.

Del Rio
10-20-2005, 10:10 PM
On a buisiness level he made a lot of money so yes.

On a football level, yes and no.

COJOMAY
10-20-2005, 10:19 PM
Mesure his success or failure from a pure business standpoint was Red McComb a success at the NFL level?

Money wise, YES!

But I sure wouldn't buy a used car from him!

Vikes
10-20-2005, 10:28 PM
"Del Rio" wrote:

On a buisiness level he made a lot of money so yes.

On a football level, yes and no.

Good point...There is a football level of success vs a business level.

I'm going to revise the question.

tosstomoss
10-20-2005, 10:34 PM
I think he was a successful man, He screwed everyone and made money doing it.

Sorry Vikes, I have seen Better question!!!

Red Rum spelled backwards is murder!!
DIE RED DIE

Storm
10-20-2005, 10:35 PM
Being a successfull NFL owner includes leading a solid, strong organization both on and off the field, not just making money, in my opinion. So, no, Red wasnt a successful NFL owner. Maybe he was a good businessman in a sense that he made a big profit with Vikings, but thats another story.

PurplePeopleEaters
10-20-2005, 10:37 PM
You are asking vikings fans this question? For us he is the scum of the universe. C'mon guys.

Vikes
10-20-2005, 10:51 PM
"tosstomoss" wrote:

I think he was a successful man, He screwed everyone and made money doing it.

Sorry Vikes, I have seen Better question!!!

Red Rum spelled backwards is murder!!
DIE RED DIE

I was just curious on what people thought. I don't think I tried to postion it as the "Best question ever" sorry for the confusion.

It's NOT the best question ever. I'm not sure I know what is the best question. But I would be curious on what defines a GOOD question? If you don't mind sharing you seem to have some great insight thanks!

Vikes
10-20-2005, 10:57 PM
"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:

You are asking vikings fans this question? For us he is the scum of the universe. C'mon guys.

I knew this would be a hard question for Viking Fans. Thats why I asked people to set aside their hatered for Red. I wanted to avoid ANOTHER Red bashing thread.

But I will entertain you and ask again was he successful?

Remeber this is a forum and people on occasion do discuss topics.

Not just Red Sucks...Fire Tice....Pep is a loser.... We need Moss....

Articnv
10-20-2005, 11:14 PM
froma bussiness standpoint he did well in his invest at teh cost of guttign every thign he could. If u did that ina reaL COMPANY THERE DESTINY TO FAIL.

NFL stand point - we are failing due to said reason above. we won dispite him not cause of him and he sold teh team just in team as he gutted the offinisve due to not ponying up keeping linhan.

Overall IMO he failed

ultravikingfan
10-20-2005, 11:21 PM
Nope.

But as an "asshat", then yes!

Ltrey33
10-20-2005, 11:48 PM
Nope, he was a HORRIBLE owner all around.

VKG4LFE
10-21-2005, 12:22 AM
He made 200 million dollars and got to have the best seats and watch a great team for 8 years or so, so yes. That lucky b@stard!

Grassdog61
10-21-2005, 12:31 AM
Just because he sold the team for a nice profit doesn't make him a successful owner. The growth and appeal of the league overall was what enabled him to make a profit on the sale. He failed miserably in what he could have created in terms of value from this franchise. The single-most important issue facing this franchise is the new stadium proposal - if you don't believe me, check out how much time and effort Zygi's is investing into it. It was Red's single-most important task as the owner of this team to spearhead a successful stadium effort and he screwed it up almost single-handedly - I refuse to blame it on the politicians or the community. The last analysis I read placed the Vikings dead last in terms of franchise value of the 32 teams (that was either in SI or ESPN the mag). That doesn't sound like success to me.

VKG4LFE
10-21-2005, 12:33 AM
We were last in value because they take into account the stadium. Since we have the worst stadium we are worth the least.

tosstomoss
10-21-2005, 12:45 AM
Vikes
Sorry to make you feel like your question was not the best, it just seems to me a question that is not worth asking. he bought the team to make money, kept the lowest paying coaching staff, Failed to spend money on the team for the better of the team, made $200 million on the hard working people and fans. We are the ones who supported the team more then RED. Sorry the more I think of your question " It is a question not to ask" Again sorry for being blunt :roll:

RK.
10-21-2005, 12:53 AM
Answer=NO

A good question is one in which the answer is not obvious or a question to which you don't really already know the answer. I think you already knew what the answer to this question is considering the volumes written on it over the last few years. Red ran this team into the ground. His own personal profit means nothing in terms of success. A successful owner leaves the team better than when he found it. :wink:

VKG4LFE
10-21-2005, 12:58 AM
I think it all depends on how your define "success." Which I think somebody already posted, so nevermind. lol

whiteboy
10-21-2005, 01:01 AM
we did get to the nfc championship a couple of times and he made a lot of money with his tight-a$$, penny-pinching ways that are hurting us now!!! i think he was successful

jimmymac
10-21-2005, 01:10 AM
From Red's point of view he is successful.

From a fan's point of view he hurt the team.

whiteboy
10-21-2005, 01:11 AM
"jimmymac" wrote:

From Red's point of view he is successful.

From a fan's point of view he hurt the team.

i agree 100%

NordicNed
10-21-2005, 01:14 AM
Same answer I give to any Red question..


RED = LOSER

PERIOD

CynicalVike
10-21-2005, 01:58 AM
Dale Carnagie once said that making a product and selling it a 100% profit is not the measure of a successfull businessman. Making a product and selling it for what the market will bare, is!

From that point of veiw, I'd say Red was very successfull. From the point of veiw of a fan of the game, I'd like to have 5 minures alone in a room with him and a baseball bat!

I liked what Zygi said......"the car didn't have as much gas in it as we thought, and then when we started to drive it, we found out it was missing some parts". Its still very early, but I think I'm going to like Zygi alot, and for a long time.

VKG4LFE
10-21-2005, 02:05 AM
Yeah, zygi seems to be doing the right things. But I'm sure we all said the same thing about McDumb@ss when we first got him too. The positive about zygi though is he's making it apparent that he is not afraid to spend money, even if it is "just" to fix out ship!!!

Muggsy
10-21-2005, 05:27 AM
Red was not, and never will be considered a successful owner, if the definition of a successful owner is one that doesn't let his investment deteriorate by neglect.

I do not think he was a successful owner, and Wilf agrees with me!!

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Sid Hartman: Wilf says Vikings were 'mess' at time he purchased team
Sid Hartman, Star Tribune

Zygi Wilf, new owner of the Vikings, said he inherited a mess with an underpaid coaching staff, and the entire operation was understaffed when he purchased the team from Red McCombs.

Wilf met with Paul Tagliabue in Chicago on Sunday, and the NFL commissioner advised him to add to the team personnel.

Wilf previously had decided that the coaching staff needed more help and added Jerry Rhome and Foge Fazio.

"This operation was a mess," Wilf said Wednesday. "The owner never spent much time here, didn't make the coaches, the players and staff feel right, and we plan to operate this franchise like a family."

McCombs was not available for comment Wednesday.

Tagliabue already has praised Wilf for his presence in Minnesota and being on top of everything.

On the recommendation of Tagliabue and Breck Spinner, Vikings director of operations, Wilf has added a director of security in former FBI agent Dag Sohlberg.

"I've tried for seven years to get McCombs to add a security chief without progress," Spinner said.

The next move Wilf plans to make is to hire a director of personnel, a person with knowledge of players in the NFL, who would work with Vice President of Football Operations Rob Brzezinski.

"This person would not be a general manager," Wilf said. "But somebody who knows the league."

Wilf said he believes that because of the frugal (cheapa$$) way McCombs operated, with the lowest-paid head coach in the league and a coaching staff that ranked on the bottom in payroll, that Mike Tice never has had a real chance to put a winning team on the field.

The facts are that McCombs inherited a team that was way over the salary cap and had to cut it down, but once that was accomplished, the Vikings operated year after year $10 million or more under the salary cap.

Wilf does agree with McCombs that owners can't buy a winning team in the NFL the way New York Yankees owner George Steinbrenner does in baseball.

"The NFL's goal is to have parity and they accomplish it," Wilf said.

But unlike McCombs, look for Wilf to agree to signing some blue-chip free agents if Wilf believes those particular players would help the Vikings compete.

To McCombs' credit, the Vikings came within one victory of the Super Bowl twice under his ownership. But since that one-sided loss in January 2001 to the New York Giants in the NFC Championship Game, and with the club for sale, I don't believe a good effort was made to spend the money necessary to put a top team on the field.

Randy Moss had to be traded so the team could save $7.5 million in salary cap space so the Vikings could sign free agents such as Fred Smoot, Pat Williams and Darren Sharper.

Wilf denied using any vulgar language in his recent meeting with the players, as reported by the Sports Illustrated.


Viking chaplain Tom Lamphere said he was at meeting and verified that statement. "In fact I complimented Mr. Wilf after the meeting," Lamphere said.

On another subject, while not campaigning for a Vikings stadium, Wilf can't understand why Gov. Tim Pawlenty and the Legislature can't find a way to get the Twins stadium and the Gophers stadium bill passed because of what both stadiums would do for the area and for the great fans here.

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Sports Illustrated is the National Inquirer of sports magazines. They'll print any dirt, real or imagined, about the Vikes. Shame on them.

Vikes
10-21-2005, 12:07 PM
"tosstomoss" wrote:

Vikes
Sorry to make you feel like your question was not the best, it just seems to me a question that is not worth asking. he bought the team to make money, kept the lowest paying coaching staff, Failed to spend money on the team for the better of the team, made $200 million on the hard working people and fans. We are the ones who supported the team more then RED. Sorry the more I think of your question " It is a question not to ask" Again sorry for being blunt :roll:

Once again let me state: "This is NOT the best question" I don't know were you read this but please understand this is NOT the best question. I never once stated it would be. I felt it was fair question but not the 'Best question'. As far as being blunt, I think you are fine. You answered the question and I apperciated thank you. But once again it's NOT the best question.

audioghost
10-21-2005, 12:24 PM
How many Super Bowl rings did the Vikings get while Red was here?

Does that answer your question?

No, he was a penny-pinching billionaire who cared more about his pocketbook than he did about the team!!!

Paulbedy59
10-21-2005, 12:30 PM
The team (98) that almost got there was the team he inheritated.The one we have now is the one Wilf inheritated.McCombs Sucked.

Vikes
10-21-2005, 06:40 PM
"audioghost" wrote:

How many Super Bowl rings did the Vikings get while Red was here?

Does that answer your question?

No, he was a penny-pinching billionaire who cared more about his pocketbook than he did about the team!!!

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COJOMAY
10-21-2005, 06:49 PM
The team (98) that almost got there was the team he inheritated.The one we have now is the one Wilf inheritated.McCombs Sucked.

Good point!

I see now where Red us being his typical "blustry" self and asking the media what Wilf has been smoking? Typical answer from him.

When the commissioner says things are bad and we see the cuts in payroll that have been made and where they all have gotten us I don't think Red has a leg to stand on. He was, is, and will always be a money-grabbing jerk!

Purplefeet
10-21-2005, 10:24 PM
Hmmm, he took over a team that was one game from Super Bowl in his first year. He had no hand in the success of that team, pure luck for him. A few defensive moves from a dominant team for at least a few years buuuuut he manages to pull team apart.

Under his direction the Vikings declined, more so each year he owned the team. So he took over a team that was 15-1 in his first year but his legacy will be this team....6-10 if we're lucky.

so-cal vike
10-22-2005, 05:43 AM
NO!!!

PurplePackerEater
10-22-2005, 06:32 AM
McCombs was VERY successful, if you use his bank account as a way of measureing success.

Does or should anyone think he was successful? I HOPE NOT!

Caine
10-22-2005, 09:14 AM
"Vikes" wrote:

Okay this is a fair question was Red McComb a successful NFL owner?

Now put aside your hatered for the man. (Try to keep it clean)

Mesure his success or failure from a pure business standpoint, and NFL performance standpoint was Red McComb a success at the NFL level?

On a personal business level, the Goat Roper was VERY successful. Any time you double your investment in under 7 years you're doing well.

On an NFL level, no...he was an absolute failure. He ran a bare-bones organization, hired bottom tier coaches/staff, and refused to adequately address the needs of the franchise as a whole. This culminated in the implosion we have today.

The depths to which he plunged the organization, in my opinion, outweigh the personal gains based entirely upon the fact that he reaped the majority of his benefits by slowly destroying it (the franchise). This is the same proceedure used by slum-lords.

So, in the end, the answer is "HELL FRIGGIN NO!!!!!".

Caine

Paulbedy59
10-22-2005, 02:55 PM
Thats like saying when we get gouged by the oil companies they are being rightous.They are not,and neither was he.

Deronn
10-22-2005, 05:35 PM
No. I think a sucessful owner make decisionis with the teams best interests in mind rather than just his own. All Red thought about was the bottom line, not the future of the organization.

BBQ Platypus
10-22-2005, 05:56 PM
He was a success for HIMSELF. Heck, he made $400 million. That's a hefty profit margin.

But for the organization that he milked for every cent he could get out of it, he was a total disaster.