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Ltrey33
09-28-2005, 06:12 PM
Here's an article on Kieth Newman.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/510/5638889.html

This guy has been a beast for us this year. He adds some much needed versatility and depth. Plus every time he makes a play I get to go "Newman!"


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snowinapril
09-28-2005, 06:16 PM
"NEWWWMANN!"

ItalianStallion
09-28-2005, 06:16 PM
He was our best linebacker last year, so it doesn't surprise me he is doing well this year.

Del Rio
09-28-2005, 06:23 PM
That article is exactly why I don't want to see him as our starter. I think it would hurt us in the long run, not because he couldn't produce as a starter, but because we would lose that special defensive guy that does what he is asked and is asked to do it because he is the man.

While wanting Napo to sit may sound good to some, I think Newman is more dangerous doing what he is doing now.

snowinapril
09-28-2005, 06:26 PM
"I just wanted the opportunity to compete for the job," said Newman, 28, who spent his first four seasons with Buffalo and played two years with Cottrell as his coordinator. "I knew Napoleon was going to have to be on the field somehow, some way, because he was part of the Randy Moss trade. So it's not like the guy wasn't going to play."

What Newman didn't realize was just how much Cottrell planned to utilize him in a variety of defensive schemes that didn't exist a year ago. The Vikings worked Newman into various packages during the organized team activity days this spring, then used him in 3-4 and 3-3-5 alignments in the opener against Tampa Bay. Newman's pressure on Buccaneers quarterback Brian Griese resulted in a second-quarter interception by Fred Smoot.

"He'll do anything you ask him to do," Cottrell said of Newman.

In addition to his work on defense Sunday, Newman played on four special-teams units. He normally is used on three of them but was put on the fourth to give a rest to Dontarrious Thomas, who was starting at weak-side linebacker.

Newman's willingness to be a team player isn't lost on Tice or Cottrell, but he admits he does not feel completely appreciated by the organization. He thought he deserved better in his latest contract negotiations, which ended when he signed for the veteran's minimum of $540,000 in late April after spending two months on the open market.

"I'd just say by the organization as a whole," Newman said when asked if his frustration was with the front office. "It's something that when your peers recognize you for that and your coaches recognize you for that, it makes you feel good. You can only control what you can control."

If Newman continues to perform like he has in the first three games this season, getting a significant payday should be no problem.

"Those things will take care of themselves," he said. "I won't comment on a contract or any of that right now, there is a lot of season left. Three games doesn't make you get a big contract or lose a contract. That's something if I keep continuing to do what I'm doing and build each and every week that will take care of itself."

He is doing well, doing his role for this team.

If he keeps it up, he will get paid, hopefully not by another team.

I like his comment about 3 games isn't enough to be a measuring stick, gotta play the whole season.

michaelmazid
09-28-2005, 06:44 PM
"Del Rio" wrote:

That article is exactly why I don't want to see him as our starter. I think it would hurt us in the long run, not because he couldn't produce as a starter, but because we would lose that special defensive guy that does what he is asked and is asked to do it because he is the man.

While wanting Napo to sit may sound good to some, I think Newman is more dangerous doing what he is doing now.

But we need production on the field at all times. Napo is dead weight and Newman can make an impact immediately. I say start him.

TheViking
09-28-2005, 07:10 PM
We do not have that dominating LB that we wish we had. Harris is just there and Thomas is still trying to figure out the game, Henderson looks great at times and then looks completely lost, its nice to see Newman step up and be a playmaker. IMO you need to keep players like that on the field, our LB's have the athletic ability to be good they just need to learn the game a little faster.

Del Rio
09-28-2005, 07:36 PM
"michaelmazid" wrote:

"Del Rio" wrote:

That article is exactly why I don't want to see him as our starter. I think it would hurt us in the long run, not because he couldn't produce as a starter, but because we would lose that special defensive guy that does what he is asked and is asked to do it because he is the man.

While wanting Napo to sit may sound good to some, I think Newman is more dangerous doing what he is doing now.

But we need production on the field at all times. Napo is dead weight and Newman can make an impact immediately. I say start him.

I just have to ask how in the hell someone could say he is dead weight? How would you justify that or support that argument?

Or is that just an assumption from seeing 3 or 4 plays that you felt he did poorly at?

I'm not being aggressive I am just curious. For the life of me I couldn't bring myself to say he is dead weight. He has played 3 games for christ sake on a new team lol. Realistically he has done a pretty good job. A week ago everyone was all over his man berries for his sack lol, now he is magically handicapped.......everyone has a role on a team.

I don't care if he sits or not, but the point is you have a guy who can do things others can't in Newman. If you move him into a solid role starting he may be productive, but I doubt he would outproduce Napo enough to justify losing his production on special packages.

6-KINGS
09-28-2005, 07:40 PM
"Del Rio" wrote:

"michaelmazid" wrote:

"Del Rio" wrote:

That article is exactly why I don't want to see him as our starter. I think it would hurt us in the long run, not because he couldn't produce as a starter, but because we would lose that special defensive guy that does what he is asked and is asked to do it because he is the man.

While wanting Napo to sit may sound good to some, I think Newman is more dangerous doing what he is doing now.

But we need production on the field at all times. Napo is dead weight and Newman can make an impact immediately. I say start him.

I just have to ask how in the hell someone could say he is dead weight? How would you justify that or support that argument?

Or is that just an assumption from seeing 3 or 4 plays that you felt he did poorly at?

I'm not being aggressive I am just curious. For the life of me I couldn't bring myself to say he is dead weight. He has played 3 games for christ sake on a new team lol. Realistically he has done a pretty good job. A week ago everyone was all over his man berries for his sack lol, now he is magically handicapped.......everyone has a role on a team.

I don't care if he sits or not, but the point is you have a guy who can do things others can't in Newman. If you move him into a solid role starting he may be productive, but I doubt he would outproduce Napo enough to justify losing his production on special packages.

Once again Del is right.
Think through the whole picture and you'll come up with what Del is pointing out.

snowinapril
09-28-2005, 07:45 PM
Napo is in a lose lose situation with the fans, he is expected to be Ray Lewis so he can be the replacement for the GUY we traded away to Oakland, what was his name again. Anyway, his name escapes me, that WR left some pretty big shoes to fill, WHO(which star player) DO WE ROUTE FOR NOW? :cool:

Del Rio
09-28-2005, 07:52 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:

Napo is in a lose lose situation with the fans, he is expected to be Ray Lewis so he can be the replacement for the GUY we traded away to Oakland, what was his name again. Anyway, his name escapes me, that WR left some pretty big shoes to fill, WHO(which star player) DO WE ROUTE FOR NOW? :cool:

I think that is all it comes down to really. People expect AMAZING things from Napo. It seems to me he goes out there, does his job and is adapting to the learning curve.

ItalianStallion
09-28-2005, 08:21 PM
Napolean was never expected to be an amazing linebacker. However I'm hearing (haven't SEEN any of the games) that he is struggling in coverage, which really, really sucks. I don't mind if a guy doesn't make a lot of big plays, but I at least expect him not to give up a lot of big plays.

VikingsTw
09-28-2005, 08:23 PM
I dont know if i agree with that, good players make plays no matter what situation they are in, look at antoine winfield for example, kevin williams, even Troy Williamson. Those guys came in imediatly and whipped @SS. If Napolean is a good player he should produce right off the bat. He made one good hit in the preseason and thats all i have seen from him.

I'm not asking to bench him BUT i can't imagine and total turn around in the next few weeks. If he does i'll eat a plate of crow.

And why the hell does he look uncordinated when he runs?

VikingsTw
09-28-2005, 08:26 PM
"ItalianStallion" wrote:

Napolean was never expected to be an amazing linebacker. However I'm hearing (haven't SEEN any of the games) that he is struggling in coverage, which really, really sucks. I don't mind if a guy doesn't make a lot of big plays, but I at least expect him not to give up a lot of big plays.

I've seen him trailing in some coverage, dropped passes by opossing WR's have covered his behind a couple times. I think the falcons are gonna try to run on us and if EJ's playing there gonna run to Nap's side so it will be a damn good test for him.

Del Rio
09-28-2005, 08:27 PM
And yet I can pick out terrible plays already this year for Winfield. Plays that cost us TD's.

I have seen some very impressive plays by Napo too. Everyone is entitled to their opinion though, my only point is people are extreemly over exagerating when they say he is playing poorly.

ItalianStallion
09-28-2005, 08:30 PM
Let's just say he is playing better than Dontarrious Thomas would be :)

snowinapril
09-28-2005, 08:31 PM
Nate showed us some great plays in preseason and he came out and ran bad routes, DC and him were not on the same page, and I don't see anyone busting his chops. Granted Nate is hurt right now but maybe we should be talking about how Taylor and K-Rob should be taking his spot and sitting his butt on the bench. Just trying to make a point. It is easier to point fingers at offensive players than D cause it is more difficult to know what the guys on D are suppose to be doing at all times.

I have faith in both Nate and Napo. Newman is doing great with the role that he is serving on this team. Or maybe Tice and staff should be fired for not using Newman in the right way. :cool:

VikingsTw
09-28-2005, 08:31 PM
"Del Rio" wrote:

And yet I can pick out terrible plays already this year for Winfield. Plays that cost us TD's.

I have seen some very impressive plays by Napo too. Everyone is entitled to their opinion though, my only point is people are extreemly over exagerating when they say he is playing poorly.

Winfield has had one considerably bad game in the 18 games he has played with minnesota. Dont even go there, do you remeber what our defense was like last year when he was out for two games., when he came back you could see a significant turn around, do not take ANYTHNG away from Winny. The dude is crazy good in coverage and tackling, i dont believe there is more than three DB's in this league that are better than him.

VikingsTw
09-28-2005, 08:32 PM
"ItalianStallion" wrote:

Let's just say he is playing better than Dontarrious Thomas would be :)

Yeah he's another story, one we dont want to get into. He's let me down, especailly this year i thought he was gonna come out and show significant improvment, NOT!

VikingsTw
09-28-2005, 08:34 PM
"snowinapril" wrote:

Nate showed us some great plays in preseason and he came out and ran bad routes, DC and him were not on the same page, and I don't see anyone busting his chops. Granted Nate is hurt right now but maybe we should be talking about how Taylor and K-Rob should be taking his spot and sitting his butt on the bench. Just trying to make a point. It is easier to point fingers at offensive players than D cause it is more difficult to know what the guys on D are suppose to be doing at all times.

I have faith in both Nate and Napo. Newman is doing great with the role that he is serving on this team. Or maybe Tice and staff should be fired for not using Newman in the right way. :cool:

Its hard to judge off those games man, the offensive line couldn't hold me back. Nate couldn't even get more than 8 yards down the field. Nobody could. I know nate will bounce back because he's a gamer. Is napo?

Del Rio
09-28-2005, 08:41 PM
"vikingstw" wrote:

"Del Rio" wrote:

And yet I can pick out terrible plays already this year for Winfield. Plays that cost us TD's.

I have seen some very impressive plays by Napo too. Everyone is entitled to their opinion though, my only point is people are extreemly over exagerating when they say he is playing poorly.

Winfield has had one considerably bad game in the 18 games he has played with minnesota. Dont even go there, do you remeber what our defense was like last year when he was out for two games., when he came back you could see a significant turn around, do not take ANYTHNG away from Winny. The dude is crazy good in coverage and tackling, i dont believe there is more than three DB's in this league that are better than him.

Yeah yeah I know he is like sliced bread without crust.

The comparrison trying to be made was not, Winfield is better then Napo. It was if you are great you should do great things. I was trying to show that even great players get their asses handed to them and AW has had it happen more then once these last three weeks. Napo has come up big a few times too, and for all we know his job on some plays may be to contain, shadow, or set a teamate up for a big play, maybe even set up Newman himself?

From what I have seen he is around the ball a lot.

Again I don't want to debate this because we are all entitled to our own feelings on this. I just wanted to throw that out there that not everyone on a team needs to be superman. If they are a team player and can hold their own and make the team better they deserve to be out there. Some players who look like superman may be benifiting from the system, if removed from what is working they may not be that great anymore.

VikingsTw
09-28-2005, 08:46 PM
"Del Rio" wrote:

"vikingstw" wrote:

"Del Rio" wrote:

And yet I can pick out terrible plays already this year for Winfield. Plays that cost us TD's.

I have seen some very impressive plays by Napo too. Everyone is entitled to their opinion though, my only point is people are extreemly over exagerating when they say he is playing poorly.

Winfield has had one considerably bad game in the 18 games he has played with minnesota. Dont even go there, do you remeber what our defense was like last year when he was out for two games., when he came back you could see a significant turn around, do not take ANYTHNG away from Winny. The dude is crazy good in coverage and tackling, i dont believe there is more than three DB's in this league that are better than him.

Yeah yeah I know he is like sliced bread without crust.

The comparrison trying to be made was not, Winfield is better then Napo. It was if you are great you should do great things. I was trying to show that even great players get their asses handed to them and AW has had it happen more then once these last three weeks. Napo has come up big a few times too, and for all we know his job on some plays may be to contain, shadow, or set a teamate up for a big play, maybe even set up Newman himself?

From what I have seen he is around the ball a lot.

Again I don't want to debate this because we are all entitled to our own feelings on this. I just wanted to throw that out there that not everyone on a team needs to be superman. If they are a team player and can hold their own and make the team better they deserve to be out there. Some players who look like superman may be benifiting from the system, if removed from what is working they may not be that great anymore.

WORD! I got you dude, and i'm rooting for Napo big time, i want to see him do well. While i'm watching the defense i'm gonna start to focus in on him more and more to see what he's up to, i may miss something else but i really want to see if he belongs on the field. I'm proly gonna go back and check out the other games too.

Del Rio
09-28-2005, 08:55 PM
That's the only reason I record the games because I miss so much of the action. I find myself watching the line almost all game, I annoy everyone who is with me because I am calling holding, hands to the face, chop blocks, and mean while something great happened.

ItalianStallion
09-28-2005, 09:01 PM
"Del Rio" wrote:

That's the only reason I record the games because I miss so much of the action. I find myself watching the line almost all game, I annoy everyone who is with me because I am calling holding, hands to the face, chop blocks, and mean while something great happened.


They're probably thinking...if the ref doesn't call holding, why should you?

Del Rio
09-28-2005, 09:13 PM
"ItalianStallion" wrote:

"Del Rio" wrote:

That's the only reason I record the games because I miss so much of the action. I find myself watching the line almost all game, I annoy everyone who is with me because I am calling holding, hands to the face, chop blocks, and mean while something great happened.


They're probably thinking...if the ref doesn't call holding, why should you?

Because it makes me all tingley on the inside, and gives me one more thing to gripe about. :grin:

Besides if you and I are sitting there watching a Vike game and DC bombs an 80 yard pass to Burleson and I say "HOLDING, HOLDING!" lol your heart is going to skip a beat and you are gonna be pissed lol.