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Moss is Boss
03-12-2004, 11:08 AM
According to Sports Illustrated we are the winner of the first week of the 2004 Free Agency. Do you think we are? Here's the link http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/don_banks/03/11/winners.losers/index.html

I think we had a fantastic first week, resigning our best Free Agent Jim Kleinsasser, resigning also Lewis Kelly and signing our target Free Agent Antoine Winfield who was the best remaining Cornerback, after the Franchise tag was put on Chris McAlister, Charles Woodson and Champ Bailey was traded to the Broncos. We also signed Marcus Robinson, who definetly will help our Offense next year and will also reduce some pressure from Randy's shoulders! And finally we signed DT Steve Martin and (Ex-Viking) Safety Tyrone Carter, who will not only strenghten our Special Teams, but be a good backup for both of our safeties.

So now we have to sign Punter Darren Bennett and get prepared for the draft. Maybe Ian Gold is an option for OLB!

acsfreak84
03-12-2004, 11:25 AM
I agree, but why are we not addressing our kicking issues.

Maybe we keep Eddie Johnson, but Tice had no faith in Eiling so you think we would get someone.

Moss is Boss
03-12-2004, 11:49 AM
I think we need a punter and a kicker either!

Tice has no faith in Elling and also in Eddie Johnson. And I think he has some good reasons for it. But Eddie Johnson is even worse than Aaron Elling. So first we need a punter and maybe later a kicker!
What do you think of trading Denard Walker or/and D'Wayne Bates against a kicker???
I think that would be nice.

Bulldog67
03-12-2004, 12:07 PM
Jesus Christ, Elling and Johnson were both rookies, they are not going to be perfect.

They are doing something about the kicking game, they are bringing in a specialist to work with the two youngsters. Johnson is already showing improvement with his get-off time, which was his biggest problem last season.

Sounds to me like all of you guys b**ching about the kicking game would rather have 40 year olds doing the job. Where will they be in 2 years? RETIRED. Then you have to go back to the draft or grab someone elses reject after he gets cut (in case nobody notices, all the top kickers and punters in the league don't just become available) and your in the same damn boat the Vikings are now.

You have two guys who have showed some talent, you bring in a veteren and a specialist to work with them and that is exactly what the Vikings are planning on doing.

Moss is Boss
03-12-2004, 12:19 PM
I have no problem going with Eddie Johnson and Aaron Elling in the next season, if they prove they are good enough to be in the team. But I'm tired of losing crucial games with a fantastic team, that we will have next year because of profoundly mistakes in special temas.

MetroDome27
03-12-2004, 12:22 PM
I Think that we have done awesome in free agency...more so than i expected. If we could just eliminate one of our 2 defensive needs (linebacker and DE) in free agency that would be a perfect offseason for me...then we could really narrow down our draft needs and make sure we get what we need. I agree with Bulldog about our kickers...even though they really pissed me off a few times, i think they will mature this year. I cant wait until our first game!

purplehorn
03-12-2004, 12:23 PM
B.S. Elling sucks he missed a 10 yrd shot. Tice has no faith in him because he
cannot do the job, We need a kicker regardless of age that can put it through
the dam uprights-period....

MetroDome27
03-12-2004, 12:29 PM
Ill admit he did suck last year, but how much confidence can u have in yourself when your coach doesnt have any in you either? Im not trying to make excuses for some other the easy kicks he made, but i personally think it might be more psychological than his talent level.

triedandtruevikesfan
03-12-2004, 12:39 PM
Thats good to hear, but like the writer said, when we have 33.3 mil to spend, we darn well better have the #1 signing week

Hawgski
03-12-2004, 02:15 PM
Well I think the Redskins have shown you can spend a lot of money and not always make the right move. Think of which teams have spent the most on FA the last 3yrs and the Redskins are the first to come to mind. Where has it gotten that spoiled little brat? We made some big signings, all of which should pay off.

Bulldog67
03-12-2004, 05:45 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by purplehorn

B.S. Elling sucks he missed a 10 yrd shot. Tice has no faith in him because he
cannot do the job, We need a kicker regardless of age that can put it through
the dam uprights-period....
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You do realize that a 10 yard field goal attempt isn't possible, right? I don't think that the officals would allow the Vikings to snap the ball from seven yards deep in the end zone.

Who hasn't missed chip shots from time to time? Brian missed two PATs in one game against Buffalo and was considered before that to be an excellent place kicker. Carney blew a PAT in Jacksonville that would have put New Orleans in the playoffs and he is still one of the most accurate Kickers in the NFL. s**t happens but guys get better.

If Tice had no confidence in Elling whatsoever, why isn't he looking at a veteren place kicker to come to camp? Or how about a veteren kicker for the stretch run last year? The only addition they are looking to make to the kicking game this offseason is a punter and his primary purpose is most likely to tutor Johnson.

ksvikesfan
03-12-2004, 06:21 PM
I can't think of any real good free agent kickers that were available. It wouldn't surprise me to see us spend a higher draft pick on that kid from Iowa. I thought I also heard (I can't remember where though) that we had invited Darren Bennett (that Aussie punter for the Chargers) to Winter Park.

ItalianStallion
03-12-2004, 07:06 PM
Bulldog, Elling was inconsistent all year, not just on one or two occasions so don't try and defend him. Kicker probably has the esiest learning curve of any position in football. Elling was not a rookie, just so you know. Johnson was supposed to have this rocket leg but had one of the worst averages in the league. These are physical and mental limitations, not technical. If there is one thing that I think everyone can agree is the most important quality for a kicker to have it is consistency. Can you honestly say that our kickers were consistent last year?

vikingman1971
03-13-2004, 08:22 AM
While I agree the learning curve for kickers is easier, I don't think many other positions on the field/team that is as solitary. Meaning that the head games part of it is what makes it difficult. Not defending the poor play as they were supposed to be professionals, however I think both will be much improved next year. (At least that's my hope!)

snausages
03-13-2004, 07:24 PM
The winner of free-agency is not determined until the end of the 2004 season. How can anyone be sure that any players signed will have a significant impact on their teams?

ItalianStallion
03-13-2004, 08:12 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by snausages

The winner of free-agency is not determined until the end of the 2004 season. How can anyone be sure that any players signed will have a significant impact on their teams?
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That sounds like Packer wisdom to me. I think the Packers know alot of what it is like to sign overpriced, useless free-agents don't they snausages? Maybe your just bitter that your team can't to anything to improve on a squad that barely made it into the playoffs last year. Whereas we plan on doing better.

dan3ski
03-13-2004, 09:36 PM
We Vikings fans are spoiled when it comes to kickers from the time of Fred Cox until last season the Vikings have had very good kickers!

amavikesfan
03-13-2004, 10:02 PM
i jsut want solid kickers. one's you can count on. if tice and co. feel that the young kids are gonna be just that, then that's good enough for me. i'd feel more comfortable, however, with some veterans in there.

sdvikefan
03-14-2004, 01:18 PM
Vikings have done excellent so far, a real surprise.

Off topic, I disagree with him about the Skins being losers...yeah they may suffer down the road but if they go all the way which they have a good chance to do then who cares?

ItalianStallion
03-14-2004, 04:10 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by sdvikefan

Vikings have done excellent so far, a real surprise.

Off topic, I disagree with him about the Skins being losers...yeah they may suffer down the road but if they go all the way which they have a good chance to do then who cares?
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the redskins will not be losers, only Dan Snyder will be. All their contracts are is bonus money, straight from his pocket. The players actual salary is fairly low, therefore not affecting the cap number as much.

Moss is Boss
03-15-2004, 10:49 AM
I think it will be hard to play aginst the redskins. Their offense improved alot with the Portis-Bailey trade and their defense is not bad either. I think Shawn Springs can almost compensate the loss of Bailey. But I hope the redskins will suck next year!

jmiller1
03-15-2004, 07:07 PM
I am sick of red letting our special team players go he let one of the best guys on the team i can't beleive it can't let some that don't even play he is so stupid brewer was my favorite player i am so sick and pissed

govikings89
03-15-2004, 07:30 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by snausages

The winner of free-agency is not determined until the end of the 2004 season. How can anyone be sure that any players signed will have a significant impact on their teams?
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thats the talk of a loser whos team hasnt done anything in free agent market

Viking_Spirit
03-15-2004, 07:56 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by govikings89

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by snausages

The winner of free-agency is not determined until the end of the 2004 season. How can anyone be sure that any players signed will have a significant impact on their teams?
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thats the talk of a loser whos team hasnt done anything in free agent market
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Actually, snausages is right (pathetically). Say we sign Ty Law, Winfield, and a bunch of other blue chip FA's. We could claim we are the winners of FA now. But, say they all get injured in the preseason or all magically suck. We would become the losers of FA just like that.
Right now, we are doing very well. How it all turns out-we'll just have to wait and see.