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DefensivePlaymaker
07-31-2005, 08:05 PM
Well, it's official now since they both missed yesterday, the first day of training camp that Troy and Erasmus are both holdouts. This sucks!

Justin311
07-31-2005, 08:21 PM
there aren't alot of 1st rounders in camp and since very few have signed yet its to be expected. As soon as guys around them in the drfat slots are signed they will go too.

michaelmazid
07-31-2005, 08:21 PM
I am starting to not like Troy Williamson at all.

cc21
07-31-2005, 08:24 PM
I couldn't beleive it when I read in the paper that Erasmus and Troy both were not in camp. That sucks so bad. You would think that Troy would want to get in camp and get practice with all the hype surrounding him about how he is suppose to "replace moss." If I were him I would defenantly not want to make a bad impression on anyone in the Vikings organization right now.

FuadFan
07-31-2005, 09:13 PM
Calm down, a lot of teams don't even have one first round pick signed we have to sign two. Look at the other teams with two first rounders the only one that has even signed one of them is the Chargers and their other guy looks to be a REAL long time holdout be thankful our team didn't pick Merriman.

ColoradoVike
07-31-2005, 09:23 PM
a couple of things to consider:

#1 These guys are following a well-trodden path. Worst-case scenario is that they pull a Bryant McKinnie. That would be awful. However, I can't really blame them. A lot of expectations are being placed on them. If I were in the position of James or Williamson, I would want to get the best possible contract to insure that my future employer was making the maximum investment in me. If things are negotiated right from the start, then in theory, they'll avoid the position that owens and walker have taken. Afterall, if you don't look out for your best interest, who else is going to do that?

#2 I think a lot of players see this coming. While it is absolutely important for the new players to be working on their skills, drills, and team cohesiveness, I think the vets know that contract negotiations take some time. I can't find the article, but a few days ago I read a piece in which Burleson or Robinson was quoted as saying that the rookies should get to camp asap, but players understand that they need to do what's right for their family and their future.

Of course, as a fan(atic), it's easy to get angry at this stuff. However, thinking reasonably, I can't really blame the rookies. (perhaps we should blame the agents?) I don't like it, but I understand it.

cc21
07-31-2005, 09:28 PM
"ColoradoVike" wrote:

a couple of things to consider:

#1 These guys are following a well-trodden path. Worst-case scenario is that they pull a Bryant McKinnie. That would be awful. However, I can't really blame them. A lot of expectations are being placed on them. If I were in the position of James or Williamson, I would want to get the best possible contract to insure that my future employer was making the maximum investment in me. If things are negotiated right from the start, then in theory, they'll avoid the position that owens and walker have taken. Afterall, if you don't look out for your best interest, who else is going to do that?

#2 I think a lot of players see this coming. While it is absolutely important for the new players to be working on their skills, drills, and team cohesiveness, I think the vets know that contract negotiations take some time. I can't find the article, but a few days ago I read a piece in which Burleson or Robinson was quoted as saying that the rookies should get to camp asap, but players understand that they need to do what's right for their family and their future.

Of course, as a fan(atic), it's easy to get angry at this stuff. However, thinking reasonably, I can't really blame the rookies. (perhaps we should blame the agents?) I don't like it, but I understand it.You can blame the rookies because in the end it is there decision not to go to camp, not there agents. They should be excited as heck to get into camp and learn everything they can. If I ever had a chance to play pro ball I would take the contract they offer me and go play my ass off. These players havent proven anything in the NFL yet. If they have a good year this year than they can go ahead and ask for a different contract. But how can they want a certain amount of money when coaches havent even seen them play in training camp.

I wont dislike Troy and Erasmus for not showing up for camp, but I wish that they would just sign and get to practice.

magicci
07-31-2005, 09:31 PM
i know its a lot harder to sign two first round picks.

FuadFan
07-31-2005, 09:43 PM
They should work it out soon the signed picks are getting ever so close to ours.

FuadFan
07-31-2005, 09:44 PM
If they have a good year this year than they can go ahead and ask for a different contract. But how can they want a certain amount of money when coaches havent even seen them play in training camp.

That really worked for Walker earlier didn't it? Let's just get this right the first tme and not have to deal with holdouts later.

ColoradoVike
07-31-2005, 09:48 PM
"coreychavous21" wrote:

You can blame the rookies because in the end it is there decision not to go to camp, not there agents. They should be excited as heck to get into camp and learn everything they can. If I ever had a chance to play pro ball I would take the contract they offer me and go play my jiggly butt off. These players havent proven anything in the NFL yet. If they have a good year this year than they can go ahead and ask for a different contract. But how can they want a certain amount of money when coaches havent even seen them play in training camp.

I wont dislike Troy and Erasmus for not showing up for camp, but I wish that they would just sign and get to practice.

While it is ultimately the player's decision, it isn't an atomistic one. Sure, they sign the contract, but their job is to play football, not negotiate. You've got an agent whose job it is to do the negotiating, to be knowledeable about negotiating, your family, your friends. And they may all be telling you different things. And they you also know you're in the cream of the crop. You can get more and you're being told you should get more. There's a lot of pressure to get as much as you possibly can. If that means missing some of the camp, then that happens.

Quite honestly, if you or I ever had the chance to play pro football, we almost certainly would not be a first round pick. While you and I might be grateful to get paid the league minimum, a first round pick in 2005 expects and will get a whole lot more. To expect these guys to do what you would do is unreasonable, quite frankly.

And while they haven't proven themselves in the NFL, they have been preparing themselves for quite some time. For anyone who preps to join a competitive environment, they know that doing well during school, during an apprenticeship, or in some other "minor league" environment will pay- off in the "big leagues." The professional teams know this. Why else would they have chosen wiliamson and james in the first round. So, if a potential employer values someone that highly, then, why wouldn't that someone work to get the best compensation package possible?

At the end of the day, the team wants the player in camp perhaps most of all, so perhaps you should blame the team too. Afterall, it takes at least two parties to negotiate.

don't hate the player, hate the (negotiating) game.

ColoradoVike
07-31-2005, 09:58 PM
perhaps the best way to avoid these situations is to have a base salary for first-, second-, third-round picks, and so on. Players could then negotiate an incentive package for their first year. After that first year "trial period", contracts for subsequent years could be negotiated, based on the value of the player to the team and their potential contribution.

This certainly favors the team over the player. But it would also give the agents less wiggle room and mitigate lagged signings, etc.

Well, this is just one fan's hope. In a cut-throat job market, I know that it's everybody for themselves.

magicci
07-31-2005, 11:29 PM
well one down one to go!

Burley81
08-01-2005, 03:23 AM
Don't you have to be under a contract to be in T.C. anyways?

magicci
08-01-2005, 04:10 AM
yea you do.