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cc21
05-15-2005, 09:05 PM
Shuold the Vikings add some trick plays to the playbook? Every once in a while we will see a reverse but other than that i cant remember any. I guess the flee flicker we did a couple times. Personally I like trick plays. what do you guys think?

pepper 0n moss
05-15-2005, 09:07 PM
sure...

just not on first and goal when we're down by 4 and the play called is a WR reverse pass

michaelmazid
05-15-2005, 09:18 PM
As long as we dont do that stupid WR pass ( the one that randy threw a pick last year) I am down.

Ltrey33
05-15-2005, 10:07 PM
I like the Flea-Flicker, I think if it's utilized properly it can really mess some people up. Robert Smith and Randall proved that back in 98.

LosAngelis
05-15-2005, 10:47 PM
Trick plays are for teams that can't get it done with their regular playbook.

I still like them, but its usually a team that is struggling that uses them.

michaelmazid
05-15-2005, 10:49 PM
"LosAngelis" wrote:

Trick plays are for teams that can't get it done with their regular playbook.

I still like them, but its usually a team that is struggling that uses them.

I disagree, We had the number 1 offense ever in 98 and we used a lot of trick plays. Its a good way to keep defenses off balance.

muchluv4smoot
05-15-2005, 10:53 PM
"coreychavous21" wrote:

Shuold the Vikings add some trick plays to the playbook? Every once in a while we will see a reverse but other than that i cant remember any. I guess the flee flicker we did a couple times. Personally I like trick plays. what do you guys think?


Hopefully we will run a lot of bubble screens to troy williamson, because he is killer at those. He can take a short bubble screen to the house. I don't know if you consider them trick plays, but that would be something that we don't run much of, that I think would be a good way to use our first pick and give him some confidence.

canadian_vikes_fan
05-15-2005, 11:29 PM
Trick plays only work well if they have we have the surprise factor. So we can do one of 2 things:
a) Only use trick plays really rarely. That way the defense doesn't expect them.
b) Use them in situations when the defense is not expecting them. The best time I can think of is early in the game, because players are concentrating on getting their job done, and are not usually worrying about trick plays. I can remember a time in the CFL Playoffs a few years ago when my Bombers were playing the Edmonton Eskimos. On the first drive of the game, we got the Eskimos into a 3rd-and-26 (we only have 3 downs in the CFL) so it was a punting situation. But because our players were concentrating on their assignment, noone picked up on a direct snap and they got the first down.

cc21
05-15-2005, 11:34 PM
what do you guys think of throwing a bomb on a first down, or the very first play of the game for that matter? Usually to open up a game it is a run right up the gut, what if we did a playaction and aired it out there. That would be pretty cool, no one would expect it.

canadian_vikes_fan
05-15-2005, 11:54 PM
"coreychavous21" wrote:

what do you guys think of throwing a bomb on a first down, or the very first play of the game for that matter? Usually to open up a game it is a run right up the gut, what if we did a playaction and aired it out there. That would be pretty cool, no one would expect it.I think it would probably work every once in a while. It would be a good way to incorporate Williamson into the offence. Since he has such blazing speed, why not just throw it up there and let him run onto it. Kind of reminds me of the first play last year with McNabb and TO.

FuadFan
05-16-2005, 12:07 AM
"canadian_vikes_fan" wrote:

"coreychavous21" wrote:

what do you guys think of throwing a bomb on a first down, or the very first play of the game for that matter? Usually to open up a game it is a run right up the gut, what if we did a playaction and aired it out there. That would be pretty cool, no one would expect it.I think it would probably work every once in a while. It would be a good way to incorporate Williamson into the offence. Since he has such blazing speed, why not just throw it up there and let him run onto it. Kind of reminds me of the first play last year with McNabb and TO.That's not something I'd like to see a lot of. We need to balance run and pass plays more that's something that killed us last year.

canadian_vikes_fan
05-16-2005, 12:16 AM
"FuadFan" wrote:

"canadian_vikes_fan" wrote:

"coreychavous21" wrote:

what do you guys think of throwing a bomb on a first down, or the very first play of the game for that matter? Usually to open up a game it is a run right up the gut, what if we did a playaction and aired it out there. That would be pretty cool, no one would expect it.I think it would probably work every once in a while. It would be a good way to incorporate Williamson into the offence. Since he has such blazing speed, why not just throw it up there and let him run onto it. Kind of reminds me of the first play last year with McNabb and TO.That's not something I'd like to see a lot of. We need to balance run and pass plays more that's something that killed us last year.I'm only suggesting that we use this once or twice during the season. I agree that balance will help both the running and passing game, and it'll be easier now to have balance now the Moss is gone.

LuckyVike
05-16-2005, 12:23 AM
"coreychavous21" wrote:

what do you guys think of throwing a bomb on a first down, or the very first play of the game for that matter? Usually to open up a game it is a run right up the gut, what if we did a playaction and aired it out there. That would be pretty cool, no one would expect it.

We did that last year against the Saints and got something like 50 yards on the first play of the game. Big deep bomb to Moss, if I'm not mistaken, it was the same game Moss hurt his hammy.

cc21
05-16-2005, 12:40 AM
"Vikes2611" wrote:

"coreychavous21" wrote:

what do you guys think of throwing a bomb on a first down, or the very first play of the game for that matter? Usually to open up a game it is a run right up the gut, what if we did a playaction and aired it out there. That would be pretty cool, no one would expect it.

We did that last year against the Saints and got something like 50 yards on the first play of the game. Big deep bomb to Moss, if I'm not mistaken, it was the same game Moss hurt his hammy.yep your right. thats what made me think that maybe we should do it more often. it was the very first play of the game.

ultravikingfan
05-16-2005, 01:26 AM
"ltrey33" wrote:

I like the Flea-Flicker, I think if it's utilized properly it can really mess some people up. Robert Smith and Randall proved that back in 98.

Those were my favorite.

I believe 1 game that we started out with a flea flicker bomb. Man, those were the days! :wink:

audioghost
05-16-2005, 02:56 AM
"LosAngelis" wrote:

Trick plays are for teams that can't get it done with their regular playbook.

I still like them, but its usually a team that is struggling that uses them.

Trick plays are designed to catch the defense off guard....a high risk, high reward situation. My favorite is lining up like a normal kick and onsiding it when the other team doesn't expect it....it worked for the Rams a year or two ago....

P.S. What ever happened to the Hook n' Ladder?

cc21
05-16-2005, 02:58 AM
"audioghost" wrote:

"LosAngelis" wrote:

Trick plays are for teams that can't get it done with their regular playbook.

I still like them, but its usually a team that is struggling that uses them.

Trick plays are designed to catch the defense off guard....a high risk, high reward situation. My favorite is lining up like a normal kick and onsiding it when the other team doesn't expect it....it worked for the Rams a year or two ago....

P.S. What ever happened to the Hook n' Ladder?Another good trick play i remember the rams doing is Kurt Warner would look confused and start yelling over at the sidelines and the defense would relax and look over to where he was yelling. Marshal Faulk than yelled hut and they did a direct snap to him. that was a pretty cool play.

ultravikingfan
05-16-2005, 03:38 AM
"coreychavous21" wrote:

"audioghost" wrote:

"LosAngelis" wrote:

Trick plays are for teams that can't get it done with their regular playbook.

I still like them, but its usually a team that is struggling that uses them.

Trick plays are designed to catch the defense off guard....a high risk, high reward situation. My favorite is lining up like a normal kick and onsiding it when the other team doesn't expect it....it worked for the Rams a year or two ago....

P.S. What ever happened to the Hook n' Ladder?Another good trick play i remember the rams doing is Kurt Warner would look confused and start yelling over at the sidelines and the defense would relax and look over to where he was yelling. Marshal Faulk than yelled hut and they did a direct snap to him. that was a pretty cool play.

Boll Cowher and the Steelers do that quite a bit.

briboy75
05-16-2005, 03:51 AM
"michaelmazid" wrote:

As long as we dont do that stupid WR pass ( the one that randy threw a pick last year) I am down.

Just because it failed miserbaly once, doesn't mean its a bad play. I know it worked at least twice before moss to cris carter, and moss to someone else. Both were for touchdowns.

ItalianStallion
05-16-2005, 03:57 AM
I like trick plays once in a while. They can work very well, but only if you practice them.

With Linehan we ran them every once in a while. I like doing the play action moss-bomb when its 3rd and 1.

There are times when it was the perfect call, but the execution was poor two specific examples other than the Moss reverse pass would be the fake confusion on a field goal in the playoffs against the Eagles and the HB pass to Culpepper against the Falcons two years ago (a play that got called back because of some bogus formation penalty, which would have won us the game and spared us Vicks highlight reel run in OT).

audioghost
05-16-2005, 04:10 AM
"coreychavous21" wrote:

"audioghost" wrote:

"LosAngelis" wrote:

Trick plays are for teams that can't get it done with their regular playbook.

I still like them, but its usually a team that is struggling that uses them.

Trick plays are designed to catch the defense off guard....a high risk, high reward situation. My favorite is lining up like a normal kick and onsiding it when the other team doesn't expect it....it worked for the Rams a year or two ago....

P.S. What ever happened to the Hook n' Ladder?Another good trick play i remember the rams doing is Kurt Warner would look confused and start yelling over at the sidelines and the defense would relax and look over to where he was yelling. Marshal Faulk than yelled hut and they did a direct snap to him. that was a pretty cool play.

I love that play too....the clever ones are the coolest! When I played in high school, we downed the ball with 14 seconds left until half, started to walk off the field and the coach was wailing his arms to go do a play because the other team was off the field...so we ran back on and got a play off and scored a 90 something yard TD....the refs talked about it and said it was illegal, so the TD didn't count.....it was a good try though!

cc21
05-17-2005, 12:47 AM
"briboy75" wrote:

"michaelmazid" wrote:

As long as we dont do that stupid WR pass ( the one that randy threw a pick last year) I am down.

Just because it failed miserbaly once, doesn't mean its a bad play. I know it worked at least twice before moss to cris carter, and moss to someone else. Both were for touchdowns.The other one was to Dwayne Bates in the dome against miami

michaelmazid
05-17-2005, 12:49 AM
"briboy75" wrote:

"michaelmazid" wrote:

As long as we dont do that stupid WR pass ( the one that randy threw a pick last year) I am down.

Just because it failed miserbaly once, doesn't mean its a bad play. I know it worked at least twice before moss to cris carter, and moss to someone else. Both were for touchdowns.

u do have a point, but I am not a big fan of people doing things that they dont normally do, ie WR throwing passes