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TheFloridianVikingFan
05-03-2005, 03:40 AM
Here is a good article on Aaron Elling and how hes doin this offeseason... i love it and i think that he will be a solid kicker for years to come... (he just has to keep his confidence up), its a long read but its worth it, take a look...



Vikings: Aaron Elling has a leg up
Mark Craig, Star Tribune
May 2, 2005 VIKE0502



Vikings kicker Aaron Elling didn't leap off the couch and scream "Whoopie!" on draft day when the Jets selected Ohio State kicker Mike Nugent two spots ahead of the Vikings with the 47th overall pick.

"But," he said, "I will admit I was excited."

Like the rest of us, Elling expected the Vikings to draft a kicker.

"Definitely," he said. "I really thought we were going to take Nugent. [Special teams coach Rusty Tillman] came to us and kind of told us they wanted to."

Elling said he wasn't afraid of the competition.

"As long as it's a fair fight, I'll compete all day long," Elling said. "But the problem with drafting a kicker that early -- in the second round -- is it doesn't make an even playing field."

Just ask Doug Brien. He became an ex-Jet five days after Nugent was drafted.

Aaron EllingMarlin LevisonStar TribuneElling, meanwhile, survived to kick another day. His only competition is NFL journeyman Jose Cortez and rookie free agent Jonathan Nichols, the 2003 Lou Groza Award winner and the University of Mississippi's career scoring leader.

Apparently, it will stay that way as long as Elling doesn't give the Vikings reason to shop for a veteran kicker. Coach Mike Tice, who has discussed the possibility of signing a veteran before training camp, backed off that stance Sunday during the Vikings' final day of minicamp.

"I don't foresee us bringing somebody in just to bring somebody in," Tice said. "If it isn't broke, don't fix it. That's the way I'm going to look at it. Right now, it isn't broke and he's hitting the ball real well. If it starts to look like it's getting broke, then we're going to have to fix it."

Elling made the only field-goal attempt of minicamp, a 27-yarder, and looked strong in hitting two of his four kickoffs to the goal line with good hang time Sunday.

"He was at 4.15, 4.2 seconds, and anything over 4 is more than acceptable," Tillman said. "Obviously, the proof is what he does in a ballgame this fall. But so far he's having a very nice offseason."

Elling has been kicking three days a week since mid-January when he recovered from a fractured right ankle suffered Nov. 8 at Indianapolis. His confidence, which was shattered in training camp last season, also appears to have healed, said Tice, who based his observation on Elling's body language now compared to last summer's infamous meltdown.

"When his body language wasn't good, he didn't kick the ball well," Tice said. "Now he seems very relaxed, calm and confident. I have a lot of faith in him."

Tice said the Vikings tried this offseason to "create some real competition" for Elling, but "it just didn't turn out that way."

"Not to put down Jose or [Nichols]," Tice said, "but [Nichols] doesn't have the leg [strength] that Jose or Aaron has, and Jose can't hit field goals like Aaron can."

In other words, it's Elling's job to lose. Of course, that was the case last summer, too.

Elling was coming off a respectable 2003 rookie season, having made 18 of 25 field-goal attempts. But things started to unravel as early as June when he decided to see a local sports psychologist who he wouldn't name.

"I think it just made me think too much," Elling said. "The last thing you want to be doing is thinking all the time."

Elling made three of four field-goal attempts in the first two preseason games. A few kicks went awry in practice. He started to press, which compounded the problem.

Suddenly, there were too many coaches trying to help him, Elling said. One of them was Doug Blevins, a highly regarded kicking expert who isn't expected back this summer.

"Last year, when I hit a wall and couldn't get out of it, Doug is telling me stuff, Rusty is telling me stuff, Coach Tice is telling me stuff," Elling said. "Everyone had their two cents. It was just chaotic."

Elling was released on Aug. 31, four days after missing two of three field-goal attempts and an extra point in a 23-10 victory over San Francisco in the third preseason game. Tice wanted to give Elling one more preseason game but bailed on him after watching him shank kick after kick over the course of two days of practice.

"It was sort of a relief," Elling said of his release. "Tennessee called me, and I went there and kicked and punted in their season opener. I got a game ball. That helped me erase the bad stuff from my mind."

Elling returned to the Vikings as a kickoff specialist after it became obvious that 44-year-old Morten Andersen no longer had the strength to do it.

"I look back on it and see that everything that could go wrong for me in training camp went wrong," Elling said. "It was a battle, and the battle kind of got me. But I learned from it."

Elling said it's frustrating to hear people say the Vikings don't have a kicker.

"I really had just one bad game, and it was a preaseason game, too," Elling said. "Even the All-Pro kickers in this league don't come out of the gate making 100 percent. I know I can kick in this league. I hope it's for the Vikings."

It's his job to lose.

muchluv4smoot
05-03-2005, 03:59 AM
Elling looks good every year at this time, so I am not getting my hopes up for the kid.


Personally I like nichols better and if edinger is cut, he would be way better than elling.

I think Tice is just trying to say good things about elling to keep him confident. The problem is, if Tice has to do that, we have a problem. A kicker shouldn't need anyone else giving him confident. A good kicker is self confident, no matter how much he struggles. Elling just doesn't have that, and I don't think that is something you can teach someone.

Hope I'm wrong, because I like his leg on FG's, lengthwise.

LuckyVike
05-03-2005, 04:05 AM
I don't know bout him. I still wouldn't trust him to kick us a game winner. Just too inconsistent.

muchluv4smoot
05-03-2005, 04:08 AM
"Vikes2611" wrote:

I don't know bout him. I still wouldn't trust him to kick us a game winner. Just too inconsistent.


Yep. I think all us vikes fans need to hope and pray that Indy gets fed up with vandy and cuts him or trades him to us. That would be awesome.

PurplePeopleEaters
05-03-2005, 04:09 AM
I am still reminded of those botched PAT's in preseason.

Guruzen
05-03-2005, 04:19 AM
"muchluv4smoot" wrote:

I think Tice is just trying to say good things about elling to keep him confident. The problem is, if Tice has to do that, we have a problem. A kicker shouldn't need anyone else giving him confident. A good kicker is self confident, no matter how much he struggles. Elling just doesn't have that, and I don't think that is something you can teach someone.


Agreed! If there is one trait you gotta have as an NFL kicker, it's poise. Elling clearly doesn't have that. Sure everything is rosey now in the offseason with Tice trying to talk him up, but in the regular season when he shanks a 30 yarder and Tice starts ripping his head off on the sidelines, is he going to sulk like a little girl or put it behind him and focus on the next kick?

I don't think he's tough enough mentally, which is a shame considering his physical abilities.

V4L
05-03-2005, 04:27 AM
I think its a mix between giving him confidence and actually doing well.. he did kick some balls to the endzone.. and with good time.. the numbers dont lie.. i dont think he is very good but he seems like he has changed and will be our kicker this year

XxS2TheEvoxX
05-03-2005, 04:42 AM
Only time will tell if Elling will break down... I don't really trust Elling, and I know I'm not the only one that is fed up of punting at the 30...

ultravikingfan
05-03-2005, 05:29 AM
I just hope (to God) that we do not have any kicking woes this year! I would rather be blown out than lose by 3; especially to the ass Packers!

smootloot
05-03-2005, 05:31 AM
i dont like elling because he has a loose nut in the head. and kickers cant get rid of that like other players

TheAnimal93
05-03-2005, 12:11 PM
If Elling is tired of hearing that we dont have a kicker, shut us up!!!!!

PurpleElf
05-03-2005, 03:39 PM
Man I really do hope were not putting our faith into a kid like Elling. He just does'nt have the mental make-up to be successful in ths league.

cajunvike
05-03-2005, 03:53 PM
"TheAnimal93" wrote:

If Elling is tired of hearing that we dont have a kicker, shut us up!!!!!

You said it all!!!

AngloVike
05-03-2005, 04:47 PM
Despite what Tice says regarding Elling, I still believe that we will be picking someone else up when the June 1 cuts come in. Then we'll see a TC contest for the kicking spot which Elling will probably miss out on.
He has come along a lot since his woes of last year but, given the position that the Vikes are pushing themselves into in terms of strength within the NFC, I cannot see that we will jepoardise winning games due to poor kicking. So as much as I'd like to see him come good I think he'll be gone before the season starts.
I know that Vandy may be released from the Colts but I have a feeling we may end up with Edinger from the Bears.
Both are similar in stats for last year apart from Edinger having the longest kick of the two but he can also punt - so may allow an extra roster spot to be freed up if wanted.
Also I think he could benefit from playing in a Dome, especially as 10 games of our schedule are inside

happy camper
05-03-2005, 05:35 PM
everyone here is so hard on elling.

look at it this way. he lost his job. and he came back to do kickoffs for us.

that tells me he has some heart as well as balls.

cajunvike
05-03-2005, 05:40 PM
"happy camper" wrote:

everyone here is so hard on elling.

look at it this way. he lost his job. and he came back to do kickoffs for us.

that tells me he has some heart as well as balls.

Maybe he can go play for the Packers and you can cheer for him there.

V-Unit
05-03-2005, 05:57 PM
Elling and Tiec have given us no reason to trust our kicking situation. Not even Tice trusts Elling. You don't go for it on 4th inside the 40-yard line if you trust your kicker.

Aaron Elling nneds to shutup and get out of town. He had his chance and he blew it. We are way to good to be held back by a mediocre kicker.

I have never heard of an NFL kicker complain about pressure until this idiot. Dealing with pressure is basically your job Aaron. Physically, kicking is easy. Mentally, its amazingly hard. If you can't deal with the pressure, you need to get out of the league.

V4L
05-03-2005, 05:58 PM
Well if he is doing better in MC then a person a few ppl wanted to draft after Nuge he must be doing something right

AngloVike
05-03-2005, 06:03 PM
"happy camper" wrote:

everyone here is so hard on elling.

look at it this way. he lost his job. and he came back to do kickoffs for us.

that tells me he has some heart as well as balls.
I think the matter is one that we've been blessed in recent years with steady and consistent kickers and unfortunately Elling has not shown to be that. Certainly agree that he had heart to come back and deal with kickoffs and his ankle injury was due to a TD saving tackle that he made. Unfortunately we need to be sure that we can go for FGs when they are within range and that wasn't happening last year. It may be that he beats out competition during TC this year but I'm not sure that he'll be able to.
This situation has occurred due to the Vikes not making a decent enough offer two years ago for Edinger when they had the chance. If there are decent FA kickers available on the market this year then we have to make sure that we pick one up to at least push Elling. That may be the spur he needs to become a good and consistent kicker which is something we haven't seen yet.

happy camper
05-03-2005, 06:29 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:

"happy camper" wrote:

everyone here is so hard on elling.

look at it this way. he lost his job. and he came back to do kickoffs for us.

that tells me he has some heart as well as balls.

Maybe he can go play for the Packers and you can cheer for him there.

not sure how you meant that to come out. but it seemed kind of rude.

i just saw a whole page bashing elling and i thought id chime in and say something nice about the kid. reading some of his quotes in the paper, it really seems like he has the heart and desire to come back. he obviously beleives he now has the talent to make a difference, otherwise he wouldnt be making such positive statements. i am not opposed and closed minded enough to think he doesnt have another shot. right now, our choices are limited anyways. you can always speculate "oh, the bears are gonna release.." or "the colts are gonna release.." but elling is who we have now. he had a rough start and tice yanked him. but elling came back and did kickoffs. i just thought that showed a little character.

cajunvike
05-03-2005, 06:40 PM
"happy camper" wrote:

"cajunvike" wrote:

"happy camper" wrote:

everyone here is so hard on elling.

look at it this way. he lost his job. and he came back to do kickoffs for us.

that tells me he has some heart as well as balls.

Maybe he can go play for the Packers and you can cheer for him there.

not sure how you meant that to come out. but it seemed kind of rude.

i just saw a whole page bashing elling and i thought id chime in and say something nice about the kid. reading some of his quotes in the paper, it really seems like he has the heart and desire to come back. he obviously beleives he now has the talent to make a difference, otherwise he wouldnt be making such positive statements. i am not opposed and closed minded enough to think he doesnt have another shot. right now, our choices are limited anyways. you can always speculate "oh, the bears are gonna release.." or "the colts are gonna release.." but elling is who we have now. he had a rough start and tice yanked him. but elling came back and did kickoffs. i just thought that showed a little character.

Yeah, you are right...he is showing some character...I should cut him some slack...maybe he will turn out to be a good kicker after all...he does deserve a second chance to prove us all wrong. If he does, you can be the first to say "I told you so" and I will be ready to eat crow with the rest of the bashers (just make sure to season mine up real good with Cajun spices)!

ElBarto
05-03-2005, 06:42 PM
"I don't foresee us bringing somebody in just to bring somebody in," Tice said. "If it isn't broke, don't fix it. That's the way I'm going to look at it. Right now, it isn't broke and he's hitting the ball real well. If it starts to look like it's getting broke, then we're going to have to fix it."

Elling made the only field-goal attempt of minicamp, a 27-yarder, and looked strong in hitting two of his four kickoffs to the goal line with good hang time Sunday.

He's hitting the ball well, but only attempted one field goal and that was 27 yards :scratch:



"When his body language wasn't good, he didn't kick the ball well," Tice said. "Now he seems very relaxed, calm and confident. I have a lot of faith in him."

The thing that worries me is does this quote mean that if we get half way throw the season and he misses a couple, his head will drop again and his kicking will suffer.

I hope the guy succeeds but he doesn't fill me with confidence

cajunvike
05-03-2005, 06:50 PM
One thing is certain...we can't have a kicker that loses games for us...we will need to win the close ones to contend for the championship...otherwise, we go home early again...remember 1998...we were a kick away from the Super Bowl...and we went home empty-handed...I don't want that feeling again!!!

purplehorn
05-03-2005, 07:12 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:

"TheAnimal93" wrote:

If Elling is tired of hearing that we dont have a kicker, shut us up!!!!!

You said it all!!!


After much thought hence the following well thought post

Elling Sucks!! I would take my chance on the rookie and Cortez.

magicci
05-03-2005, 07:19 PM
"cajunvike" wrote:

remember 1998...we were a kick away from the Super Bowl...and we went home empty-handed...I don't want that feeling again!!!
about that uummm we supposedly had the best kicker in the league that year if i remember but it seems that even the best feel some pressure

muchluv4smoot
05-04-2005, 01:02 AM
"happy camper" wrote:

everyone here is so hard on elling.

look at it this way. he lost his job. and he came back to do kickoffs for us.

that tells me he has some heart as well as balls.


Elling taking the only job that was offered to him, doesn't show me he has balls. He did what he had to, to get paid. He had no other choice. Why do you think he punted for the titans in 1 game? TO GET PAID.

Elling needs to earn any respect, and so far all he has done is given us feul to bash him. Once he actually does well during the season, then he deserves some credit, but not during mini camp, when he kicked one 27 yard FG good.

He choked in preseason last year for pete's sake, PRESEASON. He doesn't have the self confidence to be a kicker in the NFL.

midgensa
05-04-2005, 01:15 AM
"happy camper" wrote:

everyone here is so hard on elling.

look at it this way. he lost his job. and he came back to do kickoffs for us.

that tells me he has some heart as well as balls.

I dont call it heart, I call it having to pay the bills.
Personally, I like Elling better than Cortez and definitely better than Mort, we will have to wait and see though. If Nichols can show poise and/or Edinger is available it might be time to go in a different direction.
The Bears did bring in Nick Novak of Maryland to compete for the job, so I fully expect Edinger to get the axe ...

happy camper
05-04-2005, 03:32 AM
elling doesnt have heart when he came back because he came back to pay the bills? please..

if he didnt have heart, he would've gotten a different job. the guy would have gotten a job at a place where he wouldnt get embarrased in nation tv. its not like kickers make 3 million a year. he can get another job.

but he has come back a few times. he's showing that he does have heart, he does have desire, he does beleive he has what it takes. does he have what it takes? dont know. but neither does anyone else.

FuadFan
05-04-2005, 03:47 AM
Having seen the last few years of what Elling and Cortez are capable of I'd rather have Nichols or bring in Edinger.

TheFloridianVikingFan
05-04-2005, 04:07 AM
wow.. i didnt think u guys would hate him so much... i mean, he screwd up in a pre-season game and every coach yelled at him, and he felt like the whole team was on his shoulders...

i think he will do not good next year, but awsome... u can yell at me or say how u disagree but so far, my guess is just as good as yours...

kramer9guy
05-04-2005, 04:21 AM
I say it's a clean slate right now. Elling, Cortez and Nichols seem to be our current choices and I say let the best man win the job (while I've heard he doesn't have the strongest leg, I'm personally rooting for Nichols). If they all look bad in camp and the preseason, I'm sure we will bring in someone else (like an Edinger or another vet who will be cut before the season begins). We will just have to wait and see...

PBDragon
05-04-2005, 04:44 AM
"cajunvike" wrote:

One thing is certain...we can't have a kicker that loses games for us...we will need to win the close ones to contend for the championship...otherwise, we go home early again...remember 1998...we were a kick away from the Super Bowl...and we went home empty-handed...I don't want that feeling again!!!

If I remember correctly Gary Anderson was perfect the whole season, until that kick. I think for the most part Cajun is right though, once we get to the playoffs we'll be going against better teams, and the score will probably be closer then in the regular season. I think the defensive upgrades we've made won't allow our leads slip away in the second half like they did last year.

V-Unit
05-04-2005, 08:25 AM
I don't understand how anyone can support Elling. He hasn't done anything good for us. What makes you think he will do awesome. Certainly you aren't judging from past exeperiences.

It's not as if he missed field goals in big games. It's that the coaches don't even trust him enough to let him kick the FG in big games. That is downright awful.

ElBarto
05-04-2005, 11:58 AM
"V-Unit" wrote:

I don't understand how anyone can support Elling. He hasn't done anything good for us. What makes you think he will do awesome. Certainly you aren't judging from past exeperiences.

It's not as if he missed field goals in big games. It's that the coaches don't even trust him enough to let him kick the FG in big games. That is downright awful.

Because he wears purple and therefore will get out backing :salute: .

I have my doubts about him but if he starts the season as our #1 guy then I'll support him all the way to the bank (If you actually can support someone to the bank :scratch: ) and hope he proves me completely wrong :smile:

ultravikingfan
05-04-2005, 05:21 PM
"TheFloridianVikingFan" wrote:

wow.. i didnt think u guys would hate him so much... i mean, he screwd up in a pre-season game and every coach yelled at him, and he felt like the whole team was on his shoulders...

i think he will do not good next year, but awsome... u can yell at me or say how u disagree but so far, my guess is just as good as yours...

Lets hope he does good. Good meaning consistant within 45 yards.

V4L
05-04-2005, 05:24 PM
I support all vikes.. If we can find a better replacment id take it.. but if Ellings our guy im not gonna bash him unless he misses a quite a few XP's

happy camper
05-04-2005, 08:49 PM
i support elling right now because he's all we got.

morten isnt comming back.

cortez cant kick field goals.

the rookie kicker.. well, he's a rookie. hard for me to put faith in a rookie kicker who wasnt even drafted.

but yes, we could get a free agent. but as of right now there are none.. you can speculate all you want.. but right now elling is the guy we have.

purplehorn
05-04-2005, 09:09 PM
Elling single footedly cost us games for two years

I think it was Chicago he missed two inside 40.

Elling suck (period) I wish him the best just

please not as a VIKING. Hell I'll go out there

for the league minimum $$$ and miss.

freaky
05-05-2005, 01:51 AM
Did everyone miss the fact that he said "if it ain't broke, why fix it?"

Dude, it ain't broke...it's farked!

miakurtzy07
05-05-2005, 01:55 AM
I love him as a person and as a pretty face to look at but I don't want him costing us games anymore. I think we should pick up a good free agent. Any improvement would be appreciated.

freaky
05-05-2005, 02:04 AM
I think all you can ever ask for is consistency here, as much as we'd all love a gun kicker. Mind u consistently piss week (i.e. morten?)is no longer the preferred option!

V-Unit
05-05-2005, 03:05 AM
I don't understand how anyone can trust/be satisfied/be happy with Elling. He hasn't done anything good for us. What makes you think he will do awesome? Certainly you aren't judging from past exeperiences.

It's not as if he missed field goals in big games. It's that the coaches don't even trust him enough to let him kick the FG in big games. That is downright awful.

freaky
05-05-2005, 03:09 AM
i second all of that...we are in desperation stakes right now! i'm really at a loss as to what we can do right now...

V4L
05-05-2005, 03:09 AM
he did lose us some games.. but he is the best we got.. him or nichols.. i dont care who we use as long as its the best we can do..

V-Unit
05-05-2005, 03:33 AM
If this franchise cannot do better at kicker than Aaron Elling we are simply trying to jinx our hopes of a Super Bowl. The goal every offseason is too improve your team in order to make a run at the championship. I am ecstatic at what we have done this year, but you cannot tell me that we can't do better at kicker than this genuine loser. I wanna see that damn ball go through the uprights when the game is tied and we are inside the 40 with 2 or less minutes left. I don't wanna see Pep dropping back and hoping for a miracle play. That isnt even a miracle situation. Its a play where our stud kicker should be in there icing the game. Elling is no stud kicker.

I'm not even asking for a stud kicker. Just please anyone with a consistent leg. Please.

muchluv4smoot
05-05-2005, 06:01 AM
It's simple to me, elling sucks and I guarantee he isn't our starting kicker next season, so the fact that he is the guy to beat for the job right now, means nothing to me. Like I said before, Every d@mn year during mini camp, tice has went public and said elling looks great, to try and boost his confidence. It hasn't worked, because if he misses 1 FG, he is done. HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY SELF CONFIDENCE, NONE. He will never be a good starting kicker in the NFL IMO.

I don't support a player because he is a vike, I support the players that are vikes, that I feel deserve their spot on the roster. Elling does not deserve a spot on the roster, so I will not support him.

I want the best possible chance at winning the super bowl, and we aren't gonna win one, with a crappy kicker, it won't happen. Thus I will not support a crappy kicker that has no self confidence, to lead us to a super bowl win, it is crazy.

And I was one of the few, who actually supported elling last year, but enough is enough. I am sick of him getting shot after shot and blowing shot after shot.