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viks_fan21
03-23-2005, 08:31 PM
# Cleveland -- Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky
# Philadelphia -- Donovan McNabb, QB, Syracuse
# Cincinnati -- Akili Smith, QB, Oregon
# Indianapolis -- Edgerrin James, RB, Miami
# New Orleans -- Ricky Williams, RB, Texas
# St. Louis -- Torry Holt, WR, NC State
# Washington -- Champ Baily, CB, Georgia
# Arizona -- David Boston, WR, Ohio State
# Detroit -- Chris Claiborne, LB, USC
# Baltimore -- Chris McAlister, CB, Arizona
# Minnesota -- Daunte Culpepper, QB, Central Florida

As it turns out, there was only 1(possibly 2 or 3) bust in the first 10 picks. Very unusual.

KY Vike
03-23-2005, 08:32 PM
wow hope the same thing happens this year. or at least for us :)

MarqVikesfaninva
03-23-2005, 08:33 PM
well i see 5 busts there. Akili and couch obviously but i will call boston a bust and ricky williams too as well, had he played longer he wouldnt of been but he only put up about 2-3 good years and i call claiborne a bust too, for where he was taken he hasnt produced like his draft slot would indicate

PurplePharaoh
03-23-2005, 08:36 PM
Couch=Bust
Smith= Bust

These have turned out to be the 2 biggest busts of this 1999 draft, ofcourse. Williams and Boston have drug issues....Claiborne hasn't been the same over the past 3 seasons and I can see why the Lions didnt try and keep him. James, Holt, McNabb, Culpepper, McAlister and Baily have been outstanding pros.

cajunvike
03-23-2005, 08:36 PM
Even though I had followed Pep's career in college, I remember that I was so pissed off when Baltimore took McAlister one spot before us...I really wanted us to get that dude...but NOW I wouldn't trade Pep for anyone!!!

PurplePeopleEaters
03-23-2005, 08:38 PM
"viks_fan21" wrote:

# Cleveland -- Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky
# Philadelphia -- Donovan McNabb, QB, Syracuse
# Cincinnati -- Akili Smith, QB, Oregon
# Indianapolis -- Edgerrin James, RB, Miami
# New Orleans -- Ricky Williams, RB, Texas
# St. Louis -- Torry Holt, WR, NC State# Washington -- Champ Baily, CB, Georgia
# Arizona -- David Boston, WR, Ohio State
# Detroit -- Chris Claiborne, LB, USC
# Baltimore -- Chris McAlister, CB, Arizona
# Minnesota -- Daunte Culpepper, QB, Central Florida

As it turns out, there was only 1(possibly 2 or 3) bust in the first 10 picks. Very unusual.

Damn I wish we still had him.

MarqVikesfaninva
03-23-2005, 08:41 PM
good luck to your boys this week btw, Im a yellow jacket fan, you guys own us in bball but its almost the opposite recently in football, i guess it balances out, even though im a gt fan i go to VT and was at the game where we beat state by one in bball and was also at the game where pace missed the field goal, both good games

ultravikingfan
03-23-2005, 08:42 PM
I see 4. Yes, Claiborne has not lived up to the expectations, but not a bust considering Couch and Smith in there.

MarqVikesfaninva
03-23-2005, 08:43 PM
yeah thats true, i would say 4 busts with 6 hits, then you have claiborne, the 6 hits are all probowlers, thats impressive

MarqVikesfaninva
03-23-2005, 08:44 PM
and actually 2 of the busts made a pro bowl(boston did didnt he?)

viks_fan21
03-23-2005, 08:46 PM
sorry guys its actually the first 11 picks.

michaelmazid
03-23-2005, 08:52 PM
I didn't know chris mcalister went so high. Wow, I can't belive cleveland could have had daunte C. oh well

PurplePeopleEaters
03-23-2005, 09:16 PM
"MarqVikesfaninva" wrote:

good luck to your boys this week btw, Im a yellow jacket fan, you guys own us in bball but its almost the opposite recently in football, i guess it balances out, even though im a gt fan i go to VT and was at the game where we beat state by one in bball and was also at the game where pace missed the field goal, both good games

Ooh. Calvin Johnson. You better remember that name. He owned us in that game. As far as VT goes, we each surprised each other in really good games, but in different sports. I was so happy about the football game and was so pissed after the basketball game. We got you guys back the next game though. :wink:

Hopefully we can show those wisconsinites this weekend when we beat the badgers.

:salute:

dopenose420
03-23-2005, 09:17 PM
culpepper didn't get taken cause he was from a small school.

seriously that draft was so hyped up that hardly anyone could live up to it.

i also remember indy booing the james pick and were so pissed they didn't take williams. (and of course the jets boo'ed their pick :lol:)

also its crazy that after 5 qb's taken in the first 12 spots in 99 (don't forget that cade mcnown was taken right after us, add him to the busts) in 2000 only 1 qb was taken the first round at #18 (pennington) and not another taken until the 3rd and only 12 total. round 6 having 5 with bulger/brady as the notables.

that draft if you asked me (2000) sucked pretty bad overall

MarqVikesfaninva
03-23-2005, 09:25 PM
yeah calvin is nasty im glad we could wrangle him from ugag, he wanted a good education and wisened up. I've known about calvin since GT started recruting him so him winning acc roy was no surprise to me. he won us the clemson game

viks_fan21
03-23-2005, 09:52 PM
# Cleveland -- Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky - 0
# Philadelphia -- Donovan McNabb, QB, Syracuse 5
# Cincinnati -- Akili Smith, QB, Oregon 0
# Indianapolis -- Edgerrin James, RB, Miami 3
# New Orleans -- Ricky Williams, RB, Texas 1
# St. Louis -- Torry Holt, WR, NC State 4
# Washington -- Champ Baily, CB, Georgia 5
# Arizona -- David Boston, WR, Ohio State 1
# Detroit -- Chris Claiborne, LB, USC 0
# Baltimore -- Chris McAlister, CB, Arizona 1
# Minnesota -- Daunte Culpepper, QB, Central Florida 3

This is everyones # of times in the Pro Bowl, averages over 2 a player

arialassault84
03-23-2005, 10:00 PM
Couch could still turn out to be a good QB, I think his years in Clev. weren't his fault the whole organization was in shambles. Also he came in a rookie and started off learning the NFL from a bad team and he picked up there ethic, which is bad. Couch in a different system, like Detroit or Stl or even Tampa, could be a great fit.

ultravikingfan
03-23-2005, 11:46 PM
"PurplePharaoh" wrote:

Had Culpepper not of had a tan, the Browns would have made him their #1 pick :lol:

What the "F" is that supposed to mean?

Cleveland didn't pick him because he was African American?

You really are a fu_kwipe!

michaelmazid
03-24-2005, 08:33 AM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"PurplePharaoh" wrote:

Had Culpepper not of had a tan, the Browns would have made him their #1 pick :lol:

What the "F" is that supposed to mean?

Cleveland didn't pick him because he was African American?

You really are a fu_kwipe!


Well said. I dont think it matters if you are black or white when it comes to the NFL. Daunte was from a small school and I think there was some issues with him having small hands. Couch was a better prospect at the time. I would have picked up couch if I was cleveland.

sabatajh
03-24-2005, 10:21 AM
Every year there is that one cant miss player that misses horibly... there is alot of hype at the number one spot. Its hard to live up to that. I think in 99 couch was the best prospect. You guys have to remember they basically called him great before he even saw his jersey. I think the same will be said about alex smith next year.(sorry delrio) every body said his proday was so great but i think he is a product of the system. he is a shotgun QB i think he will have a hard time making that adjustment in the NFL. Im just glad we dont got the first pick.

PurpleAndy
03-24-2005, 10:28 AM
Had Culpepper not of had a tan, the Browns would have made him their #1 pick

I can live with the fact that you're antagonistic and somewhat of a jack@ss. I have no problem with that, especially in regards to a football message board.

But if you're going to post crap like that, you need to go directly to hell.

Del Rio
03-24-2005, 10:47 AM
"PurpleAndy" wrote:


Had Culpepper not of had a tan, the Browns would have made him their #1 pick

I can live with the fact that you're antagonistic and somewhat of a jack@ss. I have no problem with that, especially in regards to a football message board.

But if you're going to post crap like that, you need to go directly to hell.

What do you expect he bootlegs NFL games on tapes and makes a profit off of them. In addition to constantly spewing garbage in order to antagonize Jackyl this is just another rung on your ladder of BS.

ultravikingfan
03-24-2005, 10:48 AM
"Del Rio" wrote:

"PurpleAndy" wrote:


Had Culpepper not of had a tan, the Browns would have made him their #1 pick

I can live with the fact that you're antagonistic and somewhat of a jack@ss. I have no problem with that, especially in regards to a football message board.

But if you're going to post crap like that, you need to go directly to hell.

What do you expect he bootlegs NFL games on tapes and makes a profit off of them. In addition to constantly spewing garbage in order to antagonize Jackyl this is just another rung on your ladder of BS.

http://www.rpg2knet.com/wtf/newbie_owned.jpg

Del Rio
03-24-2005, 10:52 AM
Oh the 2000 draft FYI


1 (1) Cleveland Browns - Courtney Brown, DE Penn State
2 (2) Washington Redskins - LaVar Arrington, LB Penn State
3 (3) Washington Redskins - Chris Samuels, T Alabama
4 (4) Cincinnati Bengals - Peter Warrick, WR Florida State
5 (5) Baltimore Ravens - Jamal Lewis, RB Tennessee
6 (6) Philadelphia Eagles - Corey Simon, DT Florida State
7 (7) Arizona Cardinals - Thomas Jones, RB Virginia
8 (8) Pittsburgh Steelers - Plaxico Burress, WR Michigan State
9 (9) Chicago Bears - Brian Urlacher, LB New Mexico
10 (10) Baltimore Ravens - Travis Taylor, WR Florida

Some good names in the draft as a whole.
One that sticks out is #19 Shaun Alexander.

DefensivePlaymaker
03-24-2005, 02:09 PM
"viks_fan21" wrote:

# Cleveland -- Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky
# Philadelphia -- Donovan McNabb, QB, Syracuse
# Cincinnati -- Akili Smith, QB, Oregon
# Indianapolis -- Edgerrin James, RB, Miami
# New Orleans -- Ricky Williams, RB, Texas
# St. Louis -- Torry Holt, WR, NC State
# Washington -- Champ Baily, CB, Georgia
# Arizona -- David Boston, WR, Ohio State
# Detroit -- Chris Claiborne, LB, USC
# Baltimore -- Chris McAlister, CB, Arizona
# Minnesota -- Daunte Culpepper, QB, Central Florida

As it turns out, there was only 1(possibly 2 or 3) bust in the first 10 picks. Very unusual.

just speaking football wise i would say couch, smith, claiborne, and boston have been busts. if you add in off the field stuff then i'd add ricky in there too since he traded in his team so that he could smoke the green stuff.

MossWilliamsHenderson
03-24-2005, 06:41 PM
Man, since Cleveland joined the NFL again, they have been drafting busts in the first round but not sure who they drafted in the first round after the 2000 season?

ultravikingfan
03-24-2005, 07:24 PM
"MossWilliamsHenderson" wrote:

Man, since Cleveland joined the NFL again, they have been drafting busts in the first round but not sure who they drafted in the first round after the 2000 season?

2001: Warren, Gerard (DT) Florida All he was worth in the end was a 4th round pick from Denver

2002: Green, William (RB) Boston College Told to seek a trade on his own.

2003: Faine, Jeff (C) Notre Dame They are really disappointed in his play.

2004: Winslow, Kellen (TE) Miami This was a good pick. Too bad he got injured.

MossWilliamsHenderson
03-24-2005, 07:45 PM
"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"MossWilliamsHenderson" wrote:

Man, since Cleveland joined the NFL again, they have been drafting busts in the first round but not sure who they drafted in the first round after the 2000 season?

2001: Warren, Gerard (DT) Florida All he was worth in the end was a 4th round pick from Denver

2002: Green, William (RB) Boston College Told to seek a trade on his own.

2003: Faine, Jeff (C) Notre Dame They are really disappointed in his play.

2004: Winslow, Kellen (TE) Miami This was a good pick. Too bad he got injured.

Thanks, if Kellen is healthy next year, I think he's going to be a beast!

ultravikingfan
03-24-2005, 07:52 PM
"MossWilliamsHenderson" wrote:

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"MossWilliamsHenderson" wrote:

Man, since Cleveland joined the NFL again, they have been drafting busts in the first round but not sure who they drafted in the first round after the 2000 season?

2001: Warren, Gerard (DT) Florida All he was worth in the end was a 4th round pick from Denver

2002: Green, William (RB) Boston College Told to seek a trade on his own.

2003: Faine, Jeff (C) Notre Dame They are really disappointed in his play.

2004: Winslow, Kellen (TE) Miami This was a good pick. Too bad he got injured.

Thanks, if Kellen is healthy next year, I think he's going to be a beast!

Yes, I like him too! Very talented. He broke his leg playing Special Teams. This guy has a lot of big play potential.

The Browns, since coming back in 1999, have had busts in the first round every year except one!

dopenose420
03-24-2005, 09:28 PM
"Del Rio" wrote:

Oh the 2000 draft FYI


1 (1) Cleveland Browns - Courtney Brown, DE Penn State
2 (2) Washington Redskins - LaVar Arrington, LB Penn State
3 (3) Washington Redskins - Chris Samuels, T Alabama
4 (4) Cincinnati Bengals - Peter Warrick, WR Florida State
5 (5) Baltimore Ravens - Jamal Lewis, RB Tennessee
6 (6) Philadelphia Eagles - Corey Simon, DT Florida State
7 (7) Arizona Cardinals - Thomas Jones, RB Virginia
8 (8) Pittsburgh Steelers - Plaxico Burress, WR Michigan State
9 (9) Chicago Bears - Brian Urlacher, LB New Mexico
10 (10) Baltimore Ravens - Travis Taylor, WR Florida

Some good names in the draft as a whole.
One that sticks out is #19 Shaun Alexander.

man i thought that draft sucked a$$ to be honest.

i find it funny that washington probably will get brown, they then would have the top 3 picks from that draft. kinda crazy.

Burley81
03-25-2005, 04:49 PM
i also remember indy booing the james pick and were so pissed they didn't take williams. (and of course the jets boo'ed their pick )

You forgot the eagles fans booing their pick, and now they love him :scratch:

worshipabba2003
03-25-2005, 04:53 PM
that is cause the wanted the leaf smoker(ricky) now they can see through the haze but he cant

misteralay
03-25-2005, 05:34 PM
C-Pep Had small hands thats why he dropped down so far.

sitandbehitski
03-25-2005, 05:39 PM
Yeah, da|/|n small hands, their so little he can barely throw further than 20 yards!