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singersp
04-23-2014, 06:21 AM
Vikings Won’t Visit Blake Bortles Again Before Draft. Okay Then.

Vikings Won't Visit Blake Bortles Again Before Draft. Okay Then. - The Viking Age - A Minnesota Vikings Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more. (http://thevikingage.com/2014/04/22/vikings-wont-visit-blake-bortles-draft-okay/)

drewlovs
04-23-2014, 12:56 PM
Vikings Won’t Visit Blake Bortles Again Before Draft. Okay Then.

Vikings Won't Visit Blake Bortles Again Before Draft. Okay Then. - The Viking Age - A Minnesota Vikings Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more. (http://thevikingage.com/2014/04/22/vikings-wont-visit-blake-bortles-draft-okay/)

If Mack and Clowney are gone, we are either going with Bortles or Manziel. If Zimmer and Turner are not going QB at 8, I expect Spielman to trade back and hope they can get Bridgewater or the like later in the draft. Bortles has been on our big board since day one, in my opinion, no matter what anyone says.

purpleblood32
04-29-2014, 12:47 PM
2 thing i take from this one they are 100% sure bortles will be gone by the time they pick ,and that they are stay put ...not moving up to get him ...2 they are lazy

drewlovs
04-29-2014, 05:27 PM
Sooo:

Teddy Bridgewater hung out over the weekend, then further he stayed in Minneapolis a few extra days;
Johnny Manziel has worked out for us, interviewed, but we think his pro day was a "side-show";
Now we won't even look into a deeper interview or workout on Blake Bortles.

Seems to me we want everyone's head's to be spinning when it comes to who we are taking... but all the subterfuge seems to revolve around QBs. Does that mean we aren't even taking a QB at 8? Who knows?

And THAT is exactly what Spielman and co want.

purpleblood32
04-29-2014, 05:47 PM
this would be the biggest smoke screen ...hey bortles could be there at 8th pick ...know one knows
who will be the first qb taken and who will pass on a qb ...i would love to be in the war room if bortles falls to us ...and hear spielman say oh shit !!!

kevoncox
04-29-2014, 05:54 PM
Sooo:

Teddy Bridgewater hung out over the weekend, then further he stayed in Minneapolis a few extra days;
Johnny Manziel has worked out for us, interviewed, but we think his pro day was a "side-show";
Now we won't even look into a deeper interview or workout on Blake Bortles.

Seems to me we want everyone's head's to be spinning when it comes to who we are taking... but all the subterfuge seems to revolve around QBs. Does that mean we aren't even taking a QB at 8? Who knows?

And THAT is exactly what Spielman and co want.

Do we know what the Raiders or Browns are doing? Lol. They have accomplished the same thing without all of the subterfuge. We try to make Spielman into some draft guru when his moves aren't any different than others

313zoe
04-29-2014, 06:55 PM
If Bortles, Mack, Watkins, not there at 8 tha vikings should draft Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

b_sandhar_29
04-29-2014, 09:27 PM
My opinion on this.... The vikings know exactly what they are getting out of bortles. A second visit is unnecessary whereas players like bridgewater and manziel have questions surrounding them. Unfortunately, I think bortles is very high on our board (don't like him personally)... So I expect us to grab him if he's there at 8

midgensa
04-30-2014, 08:26 AM
Do we know what the Raiders or Browns are doing? Lol. They have accomplished the same thing without all of the subterfuge. We try to make Spielman into some draft guru when his moves aren't any different than others

The Browns certainly are doing the same thing. They are talking out of both sides of their mouths constantly. The Raiders ... well they know they don't have to talk to create subterfuge, because they like taking the 40th BPA at No. 5 on a regular basis.

I know you hate Spielman ... but I don't see anyone calling him a draft guru ... just simply stating he has done a good job of disguising what the Vikings intentions are come draft time ... and that is a fact. Nobody seems to have a grasp on what they will do at all. That is a good thing. Unless of course Spielman has no idea as well — which is entirely possible.

drewlovs
04-30-2014, 01:22 PM
The Browns certainly are doing the same thing. They are talking out of both sides of their mouths constantly. The Raiders ... well they know they don't have to talk to create subterfuge, because they like taking the 40th BPA at No. 5 on a regular basis.

I know you hate Spielman ... but I don't see anyone calling him a draft guru ... just simply stating he has done a good job of disguising what the Vikings intentions are come draft time ... and that is a fact. Nobody seems to have a grasp on what they will do at all. That is a good thing. Unless of course Spielman has no idea as well — which is entirely possible.

I certainly was not calling Spielman a guru. I just wanted to spell out all the signals we have been sending out, and how they tell us everything, so therefore nothing.

Manziel was all Zimmer, and you could argue so was Bridgewater and Bortles, so this might not even be Spielman trying to fool everyone.

mountainviking
04-30-2014, 02:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myzT8aZrgxg

Pretty impressive hitting 10 of 10 on the run, and the touch on the 20 yard pass in the wind. He looked good in his bowl game too, and against a higher ranked team.

I think we already know we'll take this guy if he's there at 8. He seems the perfect fit for Turner's offense.

The talk about Manziel might have been smokescreen too...he has a legit gift of elusiveness and did complete more long passes than any of the other top 4 QBs. We'd at least consider him at 8 too. Specially assuming Clowney, Mack, Watkins and likely Evans as well are gone by then.

I also wonder how much of the Bridgewater falling to the 4th round is teams hoping he'll be there for them earlier...

drewlovs
05-01-2014, 11:25 AM
Watch "Caught in the Draft 1994", Turner had just made the move from the Cowboys to the Redskins. Everyone expected him to go Trent Dilfer (the big prototypical QB), but he picked Heth Schuler instead (6'2") do to Schuler's mobility in the backfield.

I then looked up the scouting report on Schuler, and if Turner repeats this type of move, I think Bridgewater ranks higher than Bortles.

midgensa
05-01-2014, 12:36 PM
Watch "Caught in the Draft 1994", Turner had just made the move from the Cowboys to the Redskins. Everyone expected him to go Trent Dilfer (the big prototypical QB), but he picked Heath Shuler instead (6'2") do to Shuler's mobility in the backfield.

I then looked up the scouting report on Shuler, and if Turner repeats this type of move, I think Bridgewater ranks higher than Bortles.

I don't think so. I think most rate Bortles as more mobile than Bridgewater. Most talk about Bridgewater just sitting there in the pocket and not flinching ... which is also a good thing.

I think that Norv definitely has his eyes on one of these four QBs (Carr in the mix as well) and that the Mettenberger talk is a smokescreen to keep others from trading in front of us.

I don't care who we get, honestly. I just want the position addressed. Sometimes you swing and miss ... but if you don't swing you leave it all up to the umpire.

drewlovs
05-02-2014, 12:56 AM
I really wanted to make the point for Manziel, but I didn't want to sound like a broken record... lol. Serves me right for writing a sentence for one player then just switching names.

What jumped out at me was if Turner took Schuler at 6'2" due to his mobility, Manziel is DEFINITELY still in the picture for Norv.

313zoe
05-04-2014, 12:01 PM
Bortles played in a weak conference and tha vikings should focus on d and draft a late QB like Logan Thomas he would be a nice project for Turner to wrk wit and Turner say he like da QB frm West Virginia Tech to

drewlovs
05-04-2014, 10:18 PM
Bortles played in a weak conference and tha vikings should focus on d and draft a late QB like Logan Thomas he would be a nice project for Turner to wrk wit and Turner say he like da QB frm West Virginia Tech to

At this point for QBs, I do not think the type of conference Bortles played in will make one whit of difference, that has been dealt with and worked into the equation a LONG time ago.

As far as project QBs, this draft has quite a few, from Savage to McCarron. If the Vikings are not sold on the top 3 (maybe TWO by now) QBs, we will either be going defense or (more likely) trading down.

singersp
05-05-2014, 04:32 AM
Watch "Caught in the Draft 1994", Turner had just made the move from the Cowboys to the Redskins. Everyone expected him to go Trent Dilfer (the big prototypical QB), but he picked Heth Schuler instead (6'2") do to Schuler's mobility in the backfield.

I then looked up the scouting report on Schuler, and if Turner repeats this type of move, I think Bridgewater ranks higher than Bortles.

If Norv's choice (if it's Norv's choice to begin with) pans out like his Schuler pick did, we'll have yet another bust QB. Schuler is another example that shows Turner is not this QB Guru many think he is.

drewlovs
05-05-2014, 11:47 AM
If Norv's choice (if it's Norv's choice to begin with) pans out like his Schuler pick did, we'll have yet another bust QB. Schuler is another example that shows Turner is not this QB Guru many think he is.

Dilfer was the other choice; neither worked out, really. Dilfer 2.0 as a game manager allowed a great defense to win the super bowl, but Dilfer the rookie that was drafted was a bust.

Schuler had his confidence destroyed, he was drafted too high...I remember watching him, and seeing a Jeckell & Hyde sort of QB. I wonder if things would have been different if he had had a Cassel in front of him to give him a year to get the maturity the position requires.

I don't disagree the Schuler pick is not a great pick with 20/20 vision, but I'm not prepared to hang it around Turner's neck as proof he can't pick QBs.