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NodakPaul
02-26-2014, 10:29 AM
Colt Lyerla said some controversial things last year about the Sandy Hook shootings | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/26/colt-lyerla-said-some-controversial-things-last-year-about-the-sandy-hook-shootings/)

He sounds like he is unstable and a risk. And an asshole. I definitely don't want to see him in purple, and I wouldn't be sad at all if he never plays a single snap in the NFL.

kevoncox
02-26-2014, 10:47 AM
I saw a couple of videos that people might have shown him to make him think it was fake or a lie.
REAL PROOF! SANDY HOOK SHOOTING WAS FAKE!!! TOTALLY STAGED!!! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIoPjfLnEFY)
8:45 min.
I don't believe it but I can see how someone intelligent could buy it all.

Chazz
02-27-2014, 12:03 PM
Sandy Hook was clearly a false flag...that's why they bulldozed the place.

rockymtdan
02-27-2014, 12:44 PM
I was looking for a reason he may have said such things. My conclusion is he is one big dumb ass.
Whoever invited him to the combine maybe just as stupid. Blackball him and his agent.

Rage4Order
02-27-2014, 04:06 PM
Really, blackball a man for exercising his right of freedom of speech. How bout we blackball all the sheeple who believe everything that idiot box in ur living room is telling you. If you think the mainstream media tells any truth. Then I have some oceanfront property for ya in Nevada. Before you criticize someone for what they say, study the subject for yourself. Lots of fishy things about Sandy Hook and many other things.

midgensa
02-27-2014, 05:47 PM
Look ... I am not a conspiracy idiot. It is clear that some people need to occupy their time with craziness instead of the facts. Sandy Hook was a tragedy and a horrible thing that happened ... BUT

This is just a dumb kid. He is not necessarily a bad person (he might be, but this doesn't make him one 100%). He might just be stupid. I don't see this as a red flag. There are plenty of idiots out there that believe crap like this.

MaxVike
02-27-2014, 07:53 PM
Look ... I am not a conspiracy idiot. It is clear that some people need to occupy their time with craziness instead of the facts. Sandy Hook was a tragedy and a horrible thing that happened ... BUT

This is just a dumb kid. He is not necessarily a bad person (he might be, but this doesn't make him one 100%). He might just be stupid. I don't see this as a red flag. There are plenty of idiots out there that believe crap like this.

Sorry, his comments are an insight to the individual. If a Team considers more than on field performance…they are most certainly in scope for an evaluation of the person.

So, I hire lots of people, that make lots of money…not bragging at all, trying to make a point. I guarantee that I would ask WTF the candidate was thinking, what he/she meant, and I would explore their mindset for said comments.

Frankly, the comments this kid made are insulting, insensitive, and absurd…IMO. That said, I would give him the opportunity, in an interview, to explain.

So, IMHO, flagging questionable (IN the judgment of the interviewer) tweets, published comments, Facebook posts, blah, blah, blah, it is not, by any means, out of bounds to ask about. Put it out there, I can see it, I'm asking if I'm hiring…

HEY
02-27-2014, 07:56 PM
Colt Lyerla is a beast on the field though!

As a player he reminds me very much of Aaron Hernandez, ironically, so does he off the field.

What he said was insensitive, he has done cocaine, and has had his driver's license suspended. Because of his extreme red flags on off-field issues, I would like to see the Vikings use no later than a 6th round pick on him.

With that being said; talent wise, Lyerla is a second rounder. His potential is through the roof and he's one of the most talented tight ends in this draft. Compared to Hernandez, he has similar build, speed, agility, instincts, hands, and toughness. He even carried the ball out of the backfield a few times.

Will he ever be involved in a shooting (as opposed to talking about one)... we don't know, but I'd definitely take my chances late in Day 3, even considering how good the Vikings' TE situation is.

Mr Anderson
02-27-2014, 09:03 PM
Really, blackball a man for exercising his right of freedom of speech. How bout we blackball all the sheeple who believe everything that idiot box in ur living room is telling you. If you think the mainstream media tells any truth. Then I have some oceanfront property for ya in Nevada. Before you criticize someone for what they say, study the subject for yourself. Lots of fishy things about Sandy Hook and many other things.

lol

Mr Anderson
02-27-2014, 09:04 PM
Anyone who defends this guy better not have even thought about criticizing Kluwe.

drewlovs
02-28-2014, 11:38 AM
Anyone who defends this guy better not have even thought about criticizing Kluwe.

I defend BOTH for their ability to say what they feel without the threat of being personally destroyed by their opinions. We live in America still, right? How is it that we see this crap every day, where if even ONE of your opinions falls outside of what the mainstream thoughts of the day are, your life needs to be destroyed??

There were people after Pearl Harbor who were SURE FDR was behind the whole thing to suck us into WWII. There were people who had this weird idea that African Americans should be allowed to eat anywhere they wanted to if they followed the rules and paid for the service. BOTH these ideas were outside the mainstream, in their day.

Do I think Sandy Hook was a false flag? HELL NO. I think it was politicized to the extreme, but that is something different in its entirety. Something tells me this young man will be embarrassed about these comment someday; I can think of a few things I said when I was in my early 20's that make me thank GOD I was not famous, and no one was writing my words down.

All this aside, if he continues to show ignorance of thought and action, he might need to do some growing before he fits with ANY team. There isn't a single organization that will want the type of negative publicity he will bring them. I worry more about the drug use and the bad decisions that could end up killing people than what words he strings together.

Chazz
02-28-2014, 12:39 PM
Really, blackball a man for exercising his right of freedom of speech. How bout we blackball all the sheeple who believe everything that idiot box in ur living room is telling you. If you think the mainstream media tells any truth. Then I have some oceanfront property for ya in Nevada. Before you criticize someone for what they say, study the subject for yourself. Lots of fishy things about Sandy Hook and many other things.

+1 Mainstream media is state run, nothing more nothing less. Its shocking how anti-freedom American's have become.

Chazz
02-28-2014, 12:48 PM
Look ... I am not a conspiracy idiot. It is clear that some people need to occupy their time with craziness instead of the facts. Sandy Hook was a tragedy and a horrible thing that happened ... BUT

This is just a dumb kid. He is not necessarily a bad person (he might be, but this doesn't make him one 100%). He might just be stupid. I don't see this as a red flag. There are plenty of idiots out there that believe crap like this.


You mean like idiots who believe the federal reserve is private, or perhaps those that didn't believe there were wmd's in Iraq, or maybe those that say the gulf of tonkin was a false flag...its probably the ones that have read the operation Northwoods document.

NodakPaul
02-28-2014, 02:25 PM
+1 Mainstream media is state run, nothing more nothing less. Its shocking how anti-freedom American's have become.

There is a difference between something being influenced by outside agencies and something being 'state run'. Mainstream media isn't run by any state or even centralized agency. It IS run by the mass market - meaning that it caters to the advertisers who cater to the targeted viewing audience. While that means that different networks will spin their stories to satisfy their specialized market, it does not mean that they are being directed to by the government.

The problem with the vast majority of conspiracy nuts is that while they are more than willing to believe that the accepted history is not true, they seem unable to understand that finding a degree of inaccuracy does not invalidate the entire premise out of hand.

Sandy Hook is a great example. There were a lot of inaccuracies reported as the story was being broken out. From getting the name of the suspect wrong to not knowing how many shooters there were. As someone who has first hand experience in a large scale emergency event, I can tell you that the information is wild and loose and very, very few people know everything that is going on. In the military we often refer to this as the fog of war, as conflicting reports and misinformation come in from many angles. But to extrapolate from incidents like that the idea that somehow Sandy Hook didn't actually happen, or it did but was carried out by government officials, all in the name of passing gun legislation (Not making this up - these are the two most common conspiracy theories) is beyond just ignorant. It is irresponsible and disrespectful. It is taking confirmation bias to an art form, cherry picking only the specific reports that support your belief and seek to discredit any others.

In short, being a conspiracy nut is usually the exact opposite of being open minded, despite claims to the contrary. Because they are only 'open' to views that support their predetermined belief.

Does he have freedom of speech. Of course he does. But freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. When he says that all the parents who claimed that their kids were killed at Sandy Hook are liars, he is showing more than just his ignorance. He is showing a blatant disregard for the families of the victims. If he even felt that there was a chance - a chance - that Sandy Hook was real, then he should know that statements like that are insensitive at best, and purely evil at worst. So either he did not think that there was even a chance, which makes him more closed minded than the "sheeple" as another poster chose to call people, or he did recognize it as a possibility and he is just a piece of shit who feels like he can say anything he wants without regard to effect.

Either way, I don't want someone like that on the Vikings. And I truly don't think that he deserves to be in a spotlight or a roll model. I don't care what his on field performance was, there are some thing that you just don't do, and insulting the parents of dead children is definitely one of them.

Rage4Order
02-28-2014, 03:31 PM
If any of you think conspiracies don't exist, then you need to go back to school and learn your history. This country was founded via a conspiracy. Every great nation or civilization was felled by a conspiracy. And if you really think that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy, then you do NOT pay attention. Zapruder film is rock solid evidence that shot came from front right. So don't call people conspiracy nuts, which is a mainstream media thing to call people. Conspiracy' s do exist. Go read about standard oil and Prescott Bush. Tell me they weren't conspiring to do bad things to this country. Standard Oil was dissolved because of national security issues. Its all out there for people to see and read. But all the sheeple have no time, too entertained by their idiot box.

rockymtdan
02-28-2014, 04:15 PM
Having twice stood with my friends as they barred their children I can not imagine anyone verbally attacking someone in their position. I was fiscally ill for days from the grief I felt for them.
What he said was just wrong very wrong and even the ignorance of youth and drugs does not excuse it. Any contribution he would make to a team, especially the Viking, would be distasteful to applaud. Free speech can have consequences and I hope he finds that out.

NodakPaul
03-01-2014, 02:23 PM
If any of you think conspiracies don't exist, then you need to go back to school and learn your history. This country was founded via a conspiracy. Every great nation or civilization was felled by a conspiracy. And if you really think that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy, then you do NOT pay attention. Zapruder film is rock solid evidence that shot came from front right. So don't call people conspiracy nuts, which is a mainstream media thing to call people. Conspiracy' s do exist. Go read about standard oil and Prescott Bush. Tell me they weren't conspiring to do bad things to this country. Standard Oil was dissolved because of national security issues. Its all out there for people to see and read. But all the sheeple have no time, too entertained by their idiot box.

Of course some conspiracies exist. However...

Some conspiracies exist != everything is a conspiracy.

I will give you Standard Oil. I personally don't think that Kennedy was a conspiracy (and the Zapruder film has been used as 'evidence' on both sides), but I can at least accept the possibility that something else was in play. I don't label people who look at either as conspiracy nuts, even if I don't agree with some of their assertions.

People who think we didn't actually land on the moon are conspiracy nuts. People who think that the US Government used explosives to bring down the Twin Towers are conspiracy nuts.

People who think that the mass murder of 20 children and 6 adults at Sandy Hook Elementary was contrived by political parties who want to further gun control legislation are conspiracy nuts. Especially when their primary 'evidence' is a mixture of inaccurate media reports that surfaced in the first two hours of the event.

So basically the term conspiracy nut doesn't refer to anyone who believes in conspiracies. It refers to people who look for conspiracies and believe them regardless of the plausibility of their 'evidence'. It refers to people who only accept information that supports their view as fact, labeling all other information as 'mainstream media lies.'

Labeling people who disagree with you as sheeple, and accusing them of being uneducated or too entertained by their idiot box shows closed mindedness and an unwillingness to give credit to a disagreeing viewpoint.

rockymtdan
03-01-2014, 03:36 PM
+1

drewlovs
03-03-2014, 12:53 PM
Of course some conspiracies exist. However...

Some conspiracies exist != everything is a conspiracy.

I will give you Standard Oil. I personally don't think that Kennedy was a conspiracy (and the Zapruder film has been used as 'evidence' on both sides), but I can at least accept the possibility that something else was in play. I don't label people who look at either as conspiracy nuts, even if I don't agree with some of their assertions.

People who think we didn't actually land on the moon are conspiracy nuts. People who think that the US Government used explosives to bring down the Twin Towers are conspiracy nuts.

People who think that the mass murder of 20 children and 6 adults at Sandy Hook Elementary was contrived by political parties who want to further gun control legislation are conspiracy nuts. Especially when their primary 'evidence' is a mixture of inaccurate media reports that surfaced in the first two hours of the event.

So basically the term conspiracy nut doesn't refer to anyone who believes in conspiracies. It refers to people who look for conspiracies and believe them regardless of the plausibility of their 'evidence'. It refers to people who only accept information that supports their view as fact, labeling all other information as 'mainstream media lies.'

Labeling people who disagree with you as sheeple, and accusing them of being uneducated or too entertained by their idiot box shows closed mindedness and an unwillingness to give credit to a disagreeing viewpoint.

Look up JFK smoking gun, its a documentary that alleges a secret service agent in the car behind JFK got knocked over when the car came to an stop, his AR-15 went off and THAT was the shot that took JFK's head off. The first 2 shots were, in fact, made by Oswald.

It explains why the angles the Warren Commission stood by are off, why there was indeed a cover up (the secret service had NO intention of telling the world they shot the guy they were supposed to protect), and just makes sense.

The Documentary takes you through it step by step, and the people involved in explaining it are NOT wackos, but instead men of great repute.

After I watched that on the History channel, followed by a discussion show, I felt for the first time I understood ALL the discrepancies that surrounded the assassination...right down to why people on the ground smelled gun powder, when they should not have if Oswald was the only shooter.

Chazz
03-03-2014, 07:33 PM
+1 Mainstream media is state run, nothing more nothing less. Its shocking how anti-freedom American's have become.

There is a difference between something being influenced by outside agencies and something being 'state run'. Mainstream media isn't run by any state or even centralized agency. It IS run by the mass market - meaning that it caters to the advertisers who cater to the targeted viewing audience. While that means that different networks will spin their stories to satisfy their specialized market, it does not mean that they are being directed to by the government.

The problem with the vast majority of conspiracy nuts is that while they are more than willing to believe that the accepted history is not true, they seem unable to understand that finding a degree of inaccuracy does not invalidate the entire premise out of hand.

Sandy Hook is a great example. There were a lot of inaccuracies reported as the story was being broken out. From getting the name of the suspect wrong to not knowing how many shooters there were. As someone who has first hand experience in a large scale emergency event, I can tell you that the information is wild and loose and very, very few people know everything that is going on. In the military we often refer to this as the fog of war, as conflicting reports and misinformation come in from many angles. But to extrapolate from incidents like that the idea that somehow Sandy Hook didn't actually happen, or it did but was carried out by government officials, all in the name of passing gun legislation (Not making this up - these are the two most common conspiracy theories) is beyond just ignorant. It is irresponsible and disrespectful. It is taking confirmation bias to an art form, cherry picking only the specific reports that support your belief and seek to discredit any others.

In short, being a conspiracy nut is usually the exact opposite of being open minded, despite claims to the contrary. Because they are only 'open' to views that support their predetermined belief.

Does he have freedom of speech. Of course he does. But freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. When he says that all the parents who claimed that their kids were killed at Sandy Hook are liars, he is showing more than just his ignorance. He is showing a blatant disregard for the families of the victims. If he even felt that there was a chance - a chance - that Sandy Hook was real, then he should know that statements like that are insensitive at best, and purely evil at worst. So either he did not think that there was even a chance, which makes him more closed minded than the "sheeple" as another poster chose to call people, or he did recognize it as a possibility and he is just a piece of shit who feels like he can say anything he wants without regard to effect.

Either way, I don't want someone like that on the Vikings. And I truly don't think that he deserves to be in a spotlight or a roll model. I don't care what his on field performance was, there are some thing that you just don't do, and insulting the parents of dead children is definitely one of them.

Mainstream media is the government mouth piece, in other words, state run. There is a lot more to Sandy Hook then media discrepancies.

Go read the Operation Northwoods document if you think are government wouldn't do such things.

Chazz
03-03-2014, 07:35 PM
If any of you think conspiracies don't exist, then you need to go back to school and learn your history. This country was founded via a conspiracy. Every great nation or civilization was felled by a conspiracy. And if you really think that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy, then you do NOT pay attention. Zapruder film is rock solid evidence that shot came from front right. So don't call people conspiracy nuts, which is a mainstream media thing to call people. Conspiracy' s do exist. Go read about standard oil and Prescott Bush. Tell me they weren't conspiring to do bad things to this country. Standard Oil was dissolved because of national security issues. Its all out there for people to see and read. But all the sheeple have no time, too entertained by their idiot box.

Great name! Are you a queensryche fan, or is that just a coincidence?

Chazz
03-03-2014, 07:37 PM
If any of you think conspiracies don't exist, then you need to go back to school and learn your history. This country was founded via a conspiracy. Every great nation or civilization was felled by a conspiracy. And if you really think that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy, then you do NOT pay attention. Zapruder film is rock solid evidence that shot came from front right. So don't call people conspiracy nuts, which is a mainstream media thing to call people. Conspiracy' s do exist. Go read about standard oil and Prescott Bush. Tell me they weren't conspiring to do bad things to this country. Standard Oil was dissolved because of national security issues. Its all out there for people to see and read. But all the sheeple have no time, too entertained by their idiot box.

Of course some conspiracies exist. However...

Some conspiracies exist != everything is a conspiracy.

I will give you Standard Oil. I personally don't think that Kennedy was a conspiracy (and the Zapruder film has been used as 'evidence' on both sides), but I can at least accept the possibility that something else was in play. I don't label people who look at either as conspiracy nuts, even if I don't agree with some of their assertions.

People who think we didn't actually land on the moon are conspiracy nuts. People who think that the US Government used explosives to bring down the Twin Towers are conspiracy nuts.

People who think that the mass murder of 20 children and 6 adults at Sandy Hook Elementary was contrived by political parties who want to further gun control legislation are conspiracy nuts. Especially when their primary 'evidence' is a mixture of inaccurate media reports that surfaced in the first two hours of the event.

So basically the term conspiracy nut doesn't refer to anyone who believes in conspiracies. It refers to people who look for conspiracies and believe them regardless of the plausibility of their 'evidence'. It refers to people who only accept information that supports their view as fact, labeling all other information as 'mainstream media lies.'

Labeling people who disagree with you as sheeple, and accusing them of being uneducated or too entertained by their idiot box shows closed mindedness and an unwillingness to give credit to a disagreeing viewpoint.

Also, go watch the Kennedy conspiracy speech as well as Eisenhower's farewell address.

NodakPaul
03-03-2014, 07:41 PM
Mainstream media is the government mouth piece, in other words, state run.
...

sigh...

While I respect both you and your opinions, here is where I have to draw the line and back out of this thread. There is sadly no hope for consensus if you start with that as a fundamental belief.

Chazz
03-03-2014, 09:36 PM
sigh...

While I respect both you and your opinions, here is where I have to draw the line and back out of this thread. There is sadly no hope for consensus if you start with that as a fundamental belief.


I realize this upsets people, however. Did they, or did they not sell the Iraq war to the American people? An unjust war that was built on lies and has killed more then 500,000 people. Did they not just try to do the same thing in Syria?

You definitely shouldn't look into any of the things I've mentioned, and you definitely shouldn't read Bill Clinton's mentor, Carroll Quigley's book, Tragedy and Hope.

NodakPaul
03-04-2014, 08:10 AM
I realize this upsets people, however. Did they, or did they not sell the Iraq war to the American people? An unjust war that was built on lies and has killed more then 500,000 people. Did they not just try to do the same thing in Syria?

You definitely shouldn't look into any of the things I've mentioned, and you definitely shouldn't read Bill Clinton's mentor, Carroll Quigley's book, Tragedy and Hope.

Apologies to others as this thread has been derailed and I am partially to blame. :) And it is fun to discuss topics like this when everyone stays civil.

With that said, Chazz, I don't disagree in regards to the Iraq war. Unjust or not, the reasons for going to war were falsely portrayed. I think almost everybody knows at this point that the war was more about politics and oil and the international economic advantage to not having a stable Middle East than it was regarding weapons of mass destruction. Hell, I think most people knew it when the war started too. That is probably the worst kept secret in the history of conspiracies...

But outside of Fox News, I can't think of any media outlet that fully embraced the reasons set forth for the war. This is where the the argument of the mainstream media being state run falls apart - because they only walk the company line when popular opinion is in line with the government. THAT is what really drives the media. The main goal of the media isn't to inform people. That is one of their goals of course, after all, that lies at the heart of journalism. But the main objective of the media outlets is to produce something that people want to consume. It is marketing that drives the media.

I understand that it can appear at times that the government is influencing what the media is reporting, but it has more to do with consumerism than state direction.

tarkenton10
03-04-2014, 08:31 AM
If any of you think conspiracies don't exist, then you need to go back to school and learn your history. This country was founded via a conspiracy. Every great nation or civilization was felled by a conspiracy. And if you really think that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy, then you do NOT pay attention. Zapruder film is rock solid evidence that shot came from front right. So don't call people conspiracy nuts, which is a mainstream media thing to call people. Conspiracy' s do exist. Go read about standard oil and Prescott Bush. Tell me they weren't conspiring to do bad things to this country. Standard Oil was dissolved because of national security issues. Its all out there for people to see and read. But all the sheeple have no time, too entertained by their idiot box.

I am sorry but you are wrong. ballistics would dictate that the bullet came from the back and left of center. The entry wound is always smaller than the exit wound. There was a small hole in the back of Kennedy's head left of center and that is why you see the front right part of his head explode as the bullet ripped through his head and out the front. You are correct though that the bullet could not have come from Oswald's gun.

If you listen to the gun shots one striking sound perplexes me, the third shot sounds different than the first two. I believe that the Secret service accidentally shot the president and could not or would not tell the public the truth.

C Mac D
03-04-2014, 10:22 AM
My thoughts on this thread...

http://s.mlkshk.com/r/H66G

vikesrgreat2
03-04-2014, 10:39 AM
It never fails to amaze me on how passionate people become with their opinions about horrible events in our lives (e.g. the JFK assassination, the Iraq war, the Sandy Hook school shooting, other shootings...). I would be more than willing to offer my opinions on these issues that generated HUGE commentary, but they were not the purpose of the original post on this topic.

Regarding this young TE, I think we do not need upgrades at the TE position, so we shouldn't have to worry about him (unless he falls through the draft and becomes a value-added practice squad player). He may be a better tryout fit with a mature team with a solid locker room and a need for a TE. Green Bay comes to mind for me here.

Chazz
03-04-2014, 03:35 PM
Apologies to others as this thread has been derailed and I am partially to blame. :) And it is fun to discuss topics like this when everyone stays civil.

With that said, Chazz, I don't disagree in regards to the Iraq war. Unjust or not, the reasons for going to war were falsely portrayed. I think almost everybody knows at this point that the war was more about politics and oil and the international economic advantage to not having a stable Middle East than it was regarding weapons of mass destruction. Hell, I think most people knew it when the war started too. That is probably the worst kept secret in the history of conspiracies...

But outside of Fox News, I can't think of any media outlet that fully embraced the reasons set forth for the war. This is where the the argument of the mainstream media being state run falls apart - because they only walk the company line when popular opinion is in line with the government. THAT is what really drives the media. The main goal of the media isn't to inform people. That is one of their goals of course, after all, that lies at the heart of journalism. But the main objective of the media outlets is to produce something that people want to consume. It is marketing that drives the media.

I understand that it can appear at times that the government is influencing what the media is reporting, but it has more to do with consumerism than state direction.

Fox championed the charge, while the others worked on selling the anti-war leaning people on it being an unfortunate necessity. A type of good cop, bad cop ploy. Of course, I believe the Democrats and Republicans are just opposite wings on the same bird of prey. One side screws you one way, you run to the other side and they screw you the other way. If I had my way I would dissolve ALL political parties and make people stand on their own merits, instead of standing on a platform.

I admit, mainstream media isn't state run, at least not in the traditional sense. This is a hi-tech 21st century model. You say it is consumerism, and I respectfully disagree. There is a very sizable audience to be had in covering things like Sandy Hook, Aurora, 911, Boston bombing, etc, being an inside job. If they covered these things they would get massive ratings, likely much higher then they get now. For example, there was a nationwide protest against GMO's and Monsanto with 1,000's taking to the streets in every big city and 100's in every small/smaller city across the nation. Had the media covered this their ratings would of went through the roof! This is where the consumerism theory falls flat.

if it isn't consumerism, then what? The next thing down the line to consider, I believe, is that it is the sponsors and advertisers that drive them. So then, who are the biggest sponsors/advertisers? There is big oil, big pharma, big agra(Monsanto), the biggest of them are the big banks and the military industrial complex. These are the same people that put almost everybody who is in Washington where they are, who lobby(pay-off) congress and the president to do their bidding. There for, the same people who control media also control Washington. This puts, and keeps the media and the state on the same course looking for the same outcome. A sophisticated form of state run media.

There are only 6 corporations that control essentially all media. Disney, Viacom, News Corps, CBS, Comcast and Time Warner. With Time Warner and Comcast recently merging, bringing that number down to 5. That seems relatively centralized to me.

Chazz
03-04-2014, 03:46 PM
Look up JFK smoking gun, its a documentary that alleges a secret service agent in the car behind JFK got knocked over when the car came to an stop, his AR-15 went off and THAT was the shot that took JFK's head off. The first 2 shots were, in fact, made by Oswald.

It explains why the angles the Warren Commission stood by are off, why there was indeed a cover up (the secret service had NO intention of telling the world they shot the guy they were supposed to protect), and just makes sense.

The Documentary takes you through it step by step, and the people involved in explaining it are NOT wackos, but instead men of great repute.

After I watched that on the History channel, followed by a discussion show, I felt for the first time I understood ALL the discrepancies that surrounded the assassination...right down to why people on the ground smelled gun powder, when they should not have if Oswald was the only shooter.


That is a bigger stretch then most conspiracies. Did they happen to talk about E. Howard Hunt's death bed confession to his son?

Rage4Order
03-04-2014, 06:46 PM
Media is controlled by our Government. ALL news with no exception on tv, comes from one of two news sources. Its either Reuters, or AP. Makes no difference in which station you watch, Fox, CNN, MSNBC. does not matter in the least same news just with a liberal or conservative spin on it. Another way to keep population arguing over left or right, while they are selling us down a river. I am an educated man, who has read many books , too many to count. Just because someone believes a conspiracy is present doesn't make them a nut. Just maybe they are a well informed individual. And yes name comes from Queensryche.

Rage4Order
03-04-2014, 07:15 PM
By the way I challenge any of you to watch a little documentary called Loose Change (An American Coup). See if you have any questions. You can find it easily on your Netflix or all over the internet. Our Bill of Rights, and Constitution were given to us, the people. Not to the government. They were made for us to know and practice to protect ourselves from an all powerful government. It is our duty as Americans to question our government, they are supposed to be accountable to us not us to them.

Tad7
03-04-2014, 08:50 PM
John Carlson gets cut but of course there's no discussion of that on here because the lame stream media wants us to focus on inconsequential things.

MaxVike
03-04-2014, 09:30 PM
John Carlson gets cut but of course there's no discussion of that on here because the lame stream media wants us to focus on inconsequential things.

The perfect ending to this mass debate. :eek:

singersp
03-05-2014, 06:41 AM
And this is in the Vikings Fan Forum because?

Zeus
03-05-2014, 10:05 AM
And this is in the Vikings Fan Forum because?

Merely highlighting the fact that we have no more moderators around here.

=Z=

drewlovs
03-05-2014, 11:45 AM
Media is controlled by our Government. ALL news with no exception on tv, comes from one of two news sources. Its either Reuters, or AP. Makes no difference in which station you watch, Fox, CNN, MSNBC. does not matter in the least same news just with a liberal or conservative spin on it. Another way to keep population arguing over left or right, while they are selling us down a river. I am an educated man, who has read many books , too many to count. Just because someone believes a conspiracy is present doesn't make them a nut. Just maybe they are a well informed individual. And yes name comes from Queensryche.

If you are right, there is a very good chance that things like football and baseball are being pushed to distract the proletariat; therefor, you should stop watching immediately!! In fact, i would avoid anything that has to do with football if I were you, to keep your eyes wide open.

Since this site in BASED on football, let me be the first to wish you luck in your endeavors.

Rage4Order
03-05-2014, 04:26 PM
If you are right, there is a very good chance that things like football and baseball are being pushed to distract the proletariat; therefor, you should stop watching immediately!! In fact, i would avoid anything that has to do with football if I were you, to keep your eyes wide open.

Since this site in BASED on football, let me be the first to wish you luck in your endeavors.

First off I never personally attacked anyone on here. What I choose to watch read and listen to is of no concern to you. If you don't like the subject don't read or respond. I merely brought up points. You guys did the attacking calling people who believe something different than your beliefs, a nut among other things. This thread needs to die now. Drewlovs, good luck on all your endeavors.

drewlovs
03-06-2014, 11:44 AM
First off I never personally attacked anyone on here. What I choose to watch read and listen to is of no concern to you. If you don't like the subject don't read or respond. I merely brought up points. You guys did the attacking calling people who believe something different than your beliefs, a nut among other things. This thread needs to die now. Drewlovs, good luck on all your endeavors.

I'm sorry you felt I was personally attacking you. It was not meant that way. I would explain more fully, but instead I will respect your wishes and let the thread to die.

ConnecticutViking
03-06-2014, 01:10 PM
I personally know many people affected by the tragedy, This asshole doesn't even deserve a response or a draft pick.

kevoncox
03-06-2014, 01:38 PM
......Meanwhile in Trinidad and Tobago!!!
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You guys can always move back with me.

drewlovs
03-06-2014, 03:52 PM
I personally know many people affected by the tragedy, This asshole doesn't even deserve a response or a draft pick.

I don't get angry over this stuff; it just makes me sad. No one trusts anymore, and the news is turning into a agenda driven waste of time. It is getting harder and harder to tell the difference between a story given for political purpose and one that is just plain "news".

If you feel that way about the "other side's news organization(s)", trust me; the other side thinks the same way about yours. People who don't trust ANY news is an inevitable byproduct.

battleaxe4cheese
03-08-2014, 03:35 PM
I worked for uncle scam directly for four years in the corps and I can tell you all that very little that happened in Iraq was accurately reported here. Very little indeed. You are told what they want you to know or believe, and when someone does squeal on the propaganda machine they are labeled a traitor and are marked.

I would rather live a conspiratorial cynic than a spoon fed imbecile.

That's just based on my experiences, to each their own. That's all I have to say about that / Forest Gump voice off

jargomcfargo
03-08-2014, 04:15 PM
I worked for uncle scam directly for four years in the corps and I can tell you all that very little that happened in Iraq was accurately reported here. Very little indeed. You are told what they want you to know or believe, and when someone does squeal on the propaganda machine they are labeled a traitor and are marked.

I would rather live a conspiratorial cynic than a spoon fed imbecile.

That's just based on my experiences, to each their own. That's all I have to say about that / Forest Gump voice off

Same thing when I was in Vietnam. The Govt. has their agenda and the people have theirs. They don't always coincide.
It is wise to question everything, It may not be wise to disagree with everything.

kevoncox
03-08-2014, 05:18 PM
I worked for uncle scam directly for four years in the corps and I can tell you all that very little that happened in Iraq was accurately reported here. Very little indeed. You are told what they want you to know or believe, and when someone does squeal on the propaganda machine they are labeled a traitor and are marked.

I would rather live a conspiratorial cynic than a spoon fed imbecile.

That's just based on my experiences, to each their own. That's all I have to say about that / Forest Gump voice off

Well when the news is only riding along with one side of the skirmish, it makes the other side instantly the bad guys and the reporting bias. That was my only real issue with the media...and it has been that way since the beginning of broadcasted news.