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NDVikingFan66
12-30-2013, 08:13 AM
Looks like the axe has fallen.

Minnesota Vikings announce Leslie Frazier out as head coach - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10214415/minnesota-vikings-announce-leslie-frazier-head-coach)

RK.
12-30-2013, 08:16 AM
Lets hope it keeps falling until we clean house.

kevoncox
12-30-2013, 08:17 AM
Yup....he's gone.
I still think he fell on the axe for Speilmen's screwups. However, I believe his issue was do thathow poorly the defense played. Can't

C Mac D
12-30-2013, 08:25 AM
Doesn't feel quite as refreshing as the Childress firing, but it's good that the team recognizes his shortcomings and are heading in the right direction... until they announce Bill Musgrave as HC.

El Vikingo
12-30-2013, 09:39 AM
Thank god the fat lady has sung.Gracias!

Purple Floyd
12-30-2013, 09:48 AM
Time will tell if this really matters at all. Wilf has owned the team for like 8 years and just fired the third coach since he bought the team. Sadly it seems in retrospect like each coach has been worse that their predecessor.

In the end I have grown to really dislike Wilf as a owner worse than any other owner in the state. The more I hear about him the sleazier he seems to be and I cannot believe the league looks the other way as he was convicted of fraud to the tune of over 100 Million dollars. It baffles me this stuff get buried in the headlines and has no traction nationally.

Personally I feel they will just hire another failed coach as we become the new Detroit/Cleveland of the NFL. But we will have an ugly ass new stadium, so there is that.

vikesrgreat2
12-30-2013, 10:23 AM
Personally, I think this is the right move. The lack of commitment to finding a top-quality quarterback, combined with the poor play of the pass defense, makes this move necessary in my opinion. That being said, I wish Leslie Frazier the very best going forward. I think he has value as a defensive coordinator or defensive backs coach.

jargomcfargo
12-30-2013, 10:28 AM
Time will tell if this really matters at all. Wilf has owned the team for like 8 years and just fired the third coach since he bought the team. Sadly it seems in retrospect like each coach has been worse that their predecessor.

In the end I have grown to really dislike Wilf as a owner worse than any other owner in the state. The more I hear about him the sleazier he seems to be and I cannot believe the league looks the other way as he was convicted of fraud to the tune of over 100 Million dollars. It baffles me this stuff get buried in the headlines and has no traction nationally.

Personally I feel they will just hire another failed coach as we become the new Detroit/Cleveland of the NFL. But we will have an ugly ass new stadium, so there is that.
The Wilfs are just like Daniel Snyder, Jerry Jones, and the rest of the arrogant, rich boy owners who feel their success in business will translate into success on the football field.
I doubt you see the absurd quarterback soap opera the Vikings had this year without ownership and GM meddling.
Cutting Winfield and thinking Robinson could replace him may have cost the Vikings some of those late game defensive meltdowns. And the GM drafted Ponder with a reach of desperation, then brought in Freeman to give the quarterback position a circus like atmosphere.
So despite the fact Frazier and staff failed at coaching, there is plenty of blame to go around for this miserable season.
I doubt getting rid of one weak leg on a three legged stool is going to make the stool sound and strong.

tastywaves
12-30-2013, 10:35 AM
Time will tell if this really matters at all. Wilf has owned the team for like 8 years and just fired the third coach since he bought the team. Sadly it seems in retrospect like each coach has been worse that their predecessor.

In the end I have grown to really dislike Wilf as a owner worse than any other owner in the state. The more I hear about him the sleazier he seems to be and I cannot believe the league looks the other way as he was convicted of fraud to the tune of over 100 Million dollars. It baffles me this stuff get buried in the headlines and has no traction nationally.

Personally I feel they will just hire another failed coach as we become the new Detroit/Cleveland of the NFL. But we will have an ugly ass new stadium, so there is that.

Lol, the mayor is back!

bleedpurple
12-30-2013, 11:02 AM
Down goes frazier!!!

rockymtdan
12-30-2013, 11:06 AM
R.i.p. 2013

drewlovs
12-30-2013, 11:12 AM
Spielman did well last draft, let's hope he has the same magic this year. Also, since we are sticking with Spielman, let's also hope he gets a lot of input on a coach HE wants to push his vision forward.

If we still suck, then its time to fire everyone and start over. As much as I LOVED watching the Vikings win the last few weeks (minus the Bengals debacle), I had a sinking feeling for next year. So let's also throw in hope that those wins don't come back to haunt us.

purplehelmut
12-30-2013, 11:57 AM
Well, we got what we wanted. Remains to be seen if it will mark a new era.

tastywaves
12-30-2013, 12:01 PM
6 head coaches have now fallen. General consensus remains, that MN will not be the first place the top candidates will want to go. Another unproven coordinator in the makings?

MulletMullitia
12-30-2013, 12:06 PM
Les was a scapegoat. His only big mistake in my eyes was continuing to back Christian Ponder. But that's the kind of guy he is. He will stand up for any of his players and that speaks a lot for his character. Unfortunately, character doesn't always win championships. But I believe this has been Rick Spielman's fault all along. Although he has drafted a lot of playmakers, his attempts to address the QB position have been completely laughable. A circus to say the least. The pressure is on, Rick! Shit or get off the pot.

Purple Floyd
12-30-2013, 12:20 PM
Personally, I think this is the right move. The lack of commitment to finding a top-quality quarterback, combined with the poor play of the pass defense, makes this move necessary in my opinion. That being said, I wish Leslie Frazier the very best going forward. I think he has value as a defensive coordinator or defensive backs coach.

Why is it his job to be the one committed to finding a top quality QB? If tha is the problem Spielman should be the one shit canned.

VikesfaninWis
12-30-2013, 01:27 PM
Frazier deserved to be fired whether he was taking the fall for Spielman or not. The fact that he backed Ponder to no end when everyone else in the world knew that Ponder was a joke was the last straw. You can't win in this league consistently with a bad QB, sorry.

The fact that this defense was god awful despite having some very good players tells me that they were under coached, and that falls on the HC. This cover 2 defense is horrible, but we have been stuck with it the past 9 years and I hope like hell it disappears for good now that Frazier is gone.

Whoever they hire next to be the HC will have his work cut out for him. This team needs so many pieces, and I don't believe it will be a turnaround quite like the world saw with Reid and the Chiefs this year. The Vikings need DL, DB's (Badly) new systems, a QB or two, and the list could go on.

The next thing the Wilf's need to do is get rid of Spielman. Bring in someone that is proven and can get the best results out of this team. Spielman messed up the Dolphins, and even had a hand in rough times with the Bears, so why did he ever get this job? Hopefully some good times are ahead with the new HC, new system, and new QB. Hopefully with the end of the Metrodome comes a new era in Minnesota football, a era that will bring us fortune instead of misery for a change.

tastywaves
12-30-2013, 01:46 PM
Why is it his job to be the one committed to finding a top quality QB? If tha is the problem Spielman should be the one shit canned.

Outside of Dallas, I find it hard to believe that the HC isn't heavily involved in the selection of a QB in the draft.

Frazier had a number of quotes when Ponder was selected saying why they thought he was the right choice for MN. I realize he had to be positive, but I also believe he bought into him being the right choice.

However, the hire is ultimately Spielman's and he needs to be held accountable more than anyone else. Since Rick is still here, hopefully he can surround himself with the right personnel to make sure they get it right next time. I don't think anyone expects Spielman to be a QB guru (or any GM), but he is responsible for putting together the team to identify the right QB. Frazier was one of those guys in the past, he didn't help.

C Mac D
12-30-2013, 02:24 PM
People can blame the QB situation all they want... we had the 31st ranked defense this year.

Our "Defensive Minded" coach might be a great guy personally, but he is not fit to be the head coach of an NFL team. He was in way over his head.

marshallvike
12-30-2013, 02:36 PM
Outside of Dallas, I find it hard to believe that the HC isn't heavily involved in the selection of a QB in the draft.

Frazier had a number of quotes when Ponder was selected saying why they thought he was the right choice for MN. I realize he had to be positive, but I also believe he bought into him being the right choice.

However, the hire is ultimately Spielman's and he needs to be held accountable more than anyone else. Since Rick is still here, hopefully he can surround himself with the right personnel to make sure they get it right next time. I don't think anyone expects Spielman to be a QB guru (or any GM), but he is responsible for putting together the team to identify the right QB. Frazier was one of those guys in the past, he didn't help.

I agree Spielman needs to find the right QB, but Spielman was not the GM when ponder was picked, was he? I thought he was just named GM before the 2012 draft. TOA prior to that. I do recall the Vikings making a frantic effort to trade up in the Ponder draft when Gabbert was still Available, but were unable to make it happen. Probably would not have been any different, but Ponder was not their first choice.
An equally important choice for Spielman is his pick for head coach. It is usually a crap shoot, but I hope he gets it right

tastywaves
12-30-2013, 02:40 PM
People can blame the QB situation all they want... we had the 31st ranked defense this year.

Our "Defensive Minded" coach might be a great guy personally, but he is not fit to be the head coach of an NFL team. He was in way over his head.

Yes, that always seems to get buried behind the QB fiasco.

Frazier is not HC'ing material, especially when surrounded by 3rd tier coordinators. Hard to believe, but Musgrave was probably the best of the bunch.

Is Jay Gruden our next HC? Some NFL blogger is pushing this rumor.

ConnecticutViking
12-30-2013, 02:46 PM
People can blame the QB situation all they want... we had the 31st ranked defense this year.

Our "Defensive Minded" coach might be a great guy personally, but he is not fit to be the head coach of an NFL team. He was in way over his head.

Yes, he didn't draft Ponder, but kept playing him even though it was clear Cassel was better.

He didn't realize Patterson was a player, until the season was over?

21-33-1 in three-plus seasons

Cover two scheme?

He brought in Musgrave and Williams...Terrible coordinators

tastywaves
12-30-2013, 02:49 PM
I agree Spielman needs to find the right QB, but Spielman was not the GM when ponder was picked, was he? I thought he was just named GM before the 2012 draft. TOA prior to that. I do recall the Vikings making a frantic effort to trade up in the Ponder draft when Gabbert was still Available, but were unable to make it happen. Probably would not have been any different, but Ponder was not their first choice.
An equally important choice for Spielman is his pick for head coach. It is usually a crap shoot, but I hope he gets it right


Yes, I believe Rick was named GM at the end of the 2011 season.

I think Spielman was a very large part of the Ponder selection, as was Frazier. I think there was consensus that he was the next best candidate available and they were concerned if they passed that they wouldn't have another shot at whom they deemed possible franchise material.

Ponder was the 4th QB chosen at #12, a bit similar to the way this year probably goes down. Hopefully more than one will turn out to be legit this time.

Abe Froman
12-30-2013, 02:56 PM
I kind of feel bad for Frazier, but there is no point in continuing this disaster. Someone has to be out. While I can't fault the guy for trying to improve his lot in life, but he really should have never been hired as a HC in the first place. I never minded him as a DC. If we were going to promote someone Bevell seems now like the better choice. Hindsight is f'd up like that, and given how handcuffed we seemed to be to Ponder, Idk that he would've really been all that much better. Good luck to Leslie in the future. Hope he finds a landing spot as a defensive coach somewhere.

PurplePowerPunch
12-30-2013, 05:12 PM
Rick should be next!

Purple Floyd
12-30-2013, 05:15 PM
Outside of Dallas, I find it hard to believe that the HC isn't heavily involved in the selection of a QB in the draft.

Frazier had a number of quotes when Ponder was selected saying why they thought he was the right choice for MN. I realize he had to be positive, but I also believe he bought into him being the right choice.

However, the hire is ultimately Spielman's and he needs to be held accountable more than anyone else. Since Rick is still here, hopefully he can surround himself with the right personnel to make sure they get it right next time. I don't think anyone expects Spielman to be a QB guru (or any GM), but he is responsible for putting together the team to identify the right QB. Frazier was one of those guys in the past, he didn't help.

The draft is one thing but there are also the FA guys that were brought in as well such as Mcnabb, Cassel and Freeman.

If you feel it was frazier who was in charge of bringing in those guys then yeah, as Marty would say- Fire his ass. But, if it was Spielman who was pushing for those guys and they failed then his head should be gone. Aw hell, he should be gone anyway. Wilf should just dump the whole damn bunch of them, cut all ties and start over so there is no debate going forward about who was at fault.

In the end if it was Spielman bringing in guys like cassel and freeman and Frazier refused to play them in favor of Ponder without a fair competition then Frazier should be fired for incompetence and Spielman should be fired for backing that incompetence at the beginning when he could have snuffed it.

313zoe
12-30-2013, 10:55 PM
We will be playing at a college football field for the next two season no QB and a screwed up defense the vikings need to throw the bank at a coach to draw him here

singersp
12-31-2013, 06:16 AM
Leslie Frazier 'a class act,' Jon Gruden says

Vikings: Leslie Frazier 'a class act,' Jon Gruden says - TwinCities.com (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_24817203/vikings-leslie-frazier-class-act-jon-gruden-says)

kingpin9995
12-31-2013, 09:21 AM
Again the Vikings solve nothing. They keep a GM that has proven no where in his career that he is cabable of building a championship team. We needed to get rid of the whole group and bring in a new GM that has clout and start over. Of course the Wilfs fuked that up because that's what they do. Now because of all the bad pub about them hiring coaches to quickly they will sit back and let the good ones get gobbled up so they don't look desperate.. The Minnesota Viking organization since the 70S... ONE BIG TOTAL CLUSTERFUK.............
Leslie Frazier 'a class act,' Jon Gruden says

Vikings: Leslie Frazier 'a class act,' Jon Gruden says - TwinCities.com (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_24817203/vikings-leslie-frazier-class-act-jon-gruden-says)

mountainviking
12-31-2013, 10:55 AM
Frazier does seem to be a great guy and a good friend, and he did keep the team motivated and focused despite a 1-7 record and many of their best players injured. Finishing 4-3-1 against playoff competition was pretty impressive given how we started and how many guys we were missing. We could certainly do worse than Leslie at head coach, and unfortunately, likely will at some point down the road.

But, there were definitely times during that 1-7 stretch where we just seemed to lack any fire, and really needed a leader to step forward and demand more of this team. But, most importantly, it is not ye ole NFL anymore. Too many rules have changed. Yes, I still believe a balanced team has the best chance in the playoffs, but in today's game, you have to be able to huck the damn ball downfield far and regularly if not often. I am completely convinced that Belicheat and Brady have a play that involves "let's just try and pull a flag-first down!?"

The Cover-2 no longer works because a big part of it's success was predicated on big hits timed just right to dislodge the ball from the receiver and/or make them think twice about catching the next one. Those types of hits are now illegal. The DBs have to be able to play the ball, because they are still allowed to hit the ball, and that fits better with man coverage than zone. In short, new schemes are definitely necessary for sustained success.

But don't think this is a terrible team that no one wants to coach either. We still have one of if not the best RBs in the NFL, a very good TE, and finally, some serious potential at WR. The OL even looked decent once Cassel came in, and he proved that even a below average QB can win games with this bunch. And while yes our Defense let up way too many big plays, those oops usually happened after they had secured several stops and the offense was too inept to give them more than a 3 down break.

Good new schemes, better QB play, and some more youth/upgrades on defense, and this team just might compete for the Black-N-Blue division as soon as next season. SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!!

I'm thinking I like Jay Gruden as a possibility. Not big on the offensive coordinators of SEA or DEN. I kinda like Jack Del Rio, he has experience, personal ties and has always ran a solid defense. We just have to get him a decent QB and perhaps even force him to work with a little bit new-school offensive guy, possibly from the college ranks.

MaxVike
12-31-2013, 10:59 AM
Yes, he didn't draft Ponder, but kept playing him even though it was clear Cassel was better.

He didn't realize Patterson was a player, until the season was over?

21-33-1 in three-plus seasons

Cover two scheme?

He brought in Musgrave and Williams...Terrible coordinators

Ultimately, Frazier is out because of many poor decisions, as ConnecticutViking points out.

1) Sticking with Ponder too long this year. Yes, Cassel isn't the second coming of Brady or Manning, but, he's damn sure better than Ponder. Yes, Spielman drafted Ponder, but, he also signed Cassel this year, playing time is the coaches decision, bad decision, 2) Staying loyal to veterans that "worked hard" (Simpson, Mitchell) vs. giving talented rookies or FA adds (Bishop) bigger roles. Floyd should have been on the field much more than he was, ditto Rhodes, and, obviously, Patterson. Frankly, Cole's play when Henderson was dealing with his stupidity even begs questioning, several bad decisions, 3) Hiring Alan Williams as DC…very bad decision. Musgrave hiring…I will give it a C. Perhaps with a QB (as Singer has pointed out), the playbook would have opened a bit. Gotta give him some credit for the creativity he showed in getting Harvin the ball and, ultimately, FINALLY, Patterson, the ball.

I don't think promoting Frazier was the wrong move when it was made. That said, the way the Wilfs have handled this has been worthy of Benny Hill music.

Through it all, Coach Frazier has handled it with class, respect, and dignity. He's obviously a highly regarded coach and person, but, he is probably best suited to be a DC. Best of luck Coach Frazier, I hope the future is great for you.

tastywaves
12-31-2013, 11:23 AM
Vikings will look far and wide for next head coach - TwinCities.com (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_24818875/vikings-will-look-far-and-wide-next-head)

In the last video clip on this article you can hear Spielman's take on the QB blunders. Says it his responsibility, takes the hit on the past failures to find a franchise QB and says he depends heavily on his head coach, offensive coordinator and QB's coach for input. Sounds about right to me.

He also makes it pretty clear that the next HC hired will be his decision...although I'm sure Zygi and Mark will need to approve.

Freya
01-01-2014, 09:00 AM
Goodbye Frazier. Good luck.

Lippythelion69
01-01-2014, 10:44 AM
Wilf is a scumbag

Lippythelion69
01-01-2014, 10:56 AM
Like 313 Zoe says its gonna take money lots of it for someone to coach the Vikes.
Outside in a collage stadium for 2 yrs.
not a stable situation .