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Culpepper_4717
12-15-2013, 12:03 PM
Leslie Frazier, Christian Ponder unlikely to return - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000297917/article/leslie-frazier-christian-ponder-not-in-vikings-plans)

drakkar
12-15-2013, 12:19 PM
One key part missing from that headline!!!

Dibbzz
12-15-2013, 04:06 PM
Ready for NFL return, Bill O'Brien draws interest from Vikings, Texans (http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24375967/ready-to-return-to-nfl-bill-obrien-drawing-interest-from-vikings-texans)

2beersTommy
12-15-2013, 05:21 PM
Y! SPORTS (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-vikings-coaching-quarterback-changes-182234943--nfl.html)

battleaxe4cheese
12-15-2013, 06:22 PM
Good riddance . I wish them well but not anywhere around this team.

drakkar
12-16-2013, 02:01 PM
Greeny on Mike&Mike said it was crazy that the Vikings were thinking of firing Frazier.. said something about the team plays hard for him and its just that the QB stinks... Guy is such an idiot

i_bleed_purple
12-16-2013, 03:14 PM
Greeny on Mike&Mike said it was crazy that the Vikings were thinking of firing Frazier.. said something about the team plays hard for him and its just that the QB stinks... Guy is such an idiot

I give him credit for keeping the team together late in the season and playing some good ball as of late, but two and a half years of inept play is too much for that to make up. Time to move on.

tastywaves
12-16-2013, 03:45 PM
I give him credit for keeping the team together late in the season and playing some good ball as of late, but two and a half years of inept play is too much for that to make up. Time to move on.

One only has to look at how ill-prepared this team was to start the season and know he has to go. His baby step, stay the course mentality just isn't going to cut it in today's NFL.

313zoe
12-16-2013, 07:24 PM
I think Frazier time is up we need a coach to bring this out week in and week out Cassel not tha answer we still need to draft a QB and clearly Frazier doesn't know anything about a QB we need new coaches bad

JPPT1974
12-17-2013, 06:57 PM
It is time that a new generation comes with a new coach, along with drafting a new QB. Cassel is a backup and so is Ponder.

drewlovs
12-19-2013, 01:23 PM
This conversation makes me happy, for some reason. We have talked all season as to the future of our coaching staff, but these 2 articles tell me that the owners are having the SAME conversations we are.

Purple Floyd
12-22-2013, 12:15 AM
If the owners didn't see this before the season, were too timid to do it during the season and haven't done anything now that there is no reason left to stay the course then it probably doesn't matter whether they do anything from this point forward because their credibility is gone.

EricTheViking
12-22-2013, 11:32 AM
From this article at the Star-Tribune:

Hartman: Dumping Frazier won't solve all of Vikings' issues | Star Tribune (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/236893801.html)

"My sources are as good as any, and believe me, contrary to what has been written and broadcast and seen on the Internet, itís not true that they have given up on Ponder."

If this is true it is simply mind blowing that they are considering keeping him around another season. I will be furious if this happens.

vikinggreg
12-22-2013, 01:37 PM
Tice was given his notice after season ending win....could Frazier get fired during pregame speech next week........please?

jargomcfargo
12-22-2013, 03:39 PM
Frazier thought Ponder was a franchise QB, the worst CB in the nfl, Robinson, would get better, Cook, and Sherels could play CB, Henderson was a Mike linebacker, Joe Webb deserved a roster spot, and Patterson was too raw to play receiver most of the season.
Does anyone really think Frazier deserves another year ?

Braddock
12-22-2013, 04:32 PM
Frazier thought Ponder was a franchise QB, the worst CB in the nfl, Robinson, would get better, Cook, and Sherels could play CB, Henderson was a Mike linebacker, Joe Webb deserved a roster spot, and Patterson was too raw to play receiver most of the season.
Does anyone really think Frazier deserves another year ?

+1

vikesrgreat2
12-22-2013, 04:49 PM
It's OK with me for change to start NOW! I've seen enough this year. My goodness...

snowinapril
12-22-2013, 05:35 PM
I am still not sure Freeman should go. He had one bad game and wasn't allowed to do anything after that.

We are keeping him around for a reason. Correct me if I am wrong, but we would save money by cutting him. HIs contract with the Bucs is guaranteed and ours isn't.??????? Don't quote me on that, I thought I read that a few weeks ago.

snowinapril
12-22-2013, 05:39 PM
Also, Cassel of week 15 was fine, Cassel of week 16 was not. I know he was playing a better team, but we still need someone that can play against different teams well.

Caine
12-22-2013, 06:10 PM
Can't wait for Frazier to be fired...sadly,. am relatively certain the Wilfs will screw up the replacement as well.

Was hoping to win the lotto to buy out Zygi....foiled again!!!!

Caine

tastywaves
12-22-2013, 07:55 PM
Frazier thought Ponder was a franchise QB, the worst CB in the nfl, Robinson, would get better, Cook, and Sherels could play CB, Henderson was a Mike linebacker, Joe Webb deserved a roster spot, and Patterson was too raw to play receiver most of the season.
Does anyone really think Frazier deserves another year ?

No

ConnecticutViking
12-23-2013, 06:05 AM
Frazier thought Ponder was a franchise QB, the worst CB in the nfl, Robinson, would get better, Cook, and Sherels could play CB, Henderson was a Mike linebacker, Joe Webb deserved a roster spot, and Patterson was too raw to play receiver most of the season.
Does anyone really think Frazier deserves another year ?
You hit it right on the head, this staff can not evaluate talent! They are unable to put the right people in the right positions and are unwilling to adjust schemes to fit the strengths of our players. Routinely, we are outcoached, how many games have we blown in the second half? How many times have we complained about AD getting the ball only 12-13 times? I didn't like it when Frazier was picked, it's time to start fresh.

drewlovs
12-25-2013, 01:52 AM
Frazier seems like a nice guy, but I think Terry Bradshaw said it best when he was talking about all the coaches in the league that have no respect from their players. Friendship, affection, yes, respect no. He said they do not belong in HC positions.

Players should see their lack of production as an embarrassment, and a potential job killer; not an opportunity to throw a temper tantrum on twitter. There is ZERO fear in our players of their HC; he is their friend, remember?

players lose their job when they perform badly, and HCs lose their jobs when the team performs badly. How have we forgotten this? Accountability is #1 in importance, and there is very little in our team, like many others.

Purple Floyd
12-25-2013, 10:17 AM
The stage for his firing was set in the preseason as far as I am concerned. Frazier went into the pre season by anointing Ponder as the starter and not mandating that he earn the position through his play. Then, during the pre season when many of us were questioning him on why he was treating Ponder like he was a proven commodity and giving him more pre season reps to get the offense on track he assured everyone that once the season started they would be ready to go and the offense would click.

In the first game it became totally obvious that he didn't know what he was talking about and that he grossly overestimated how prepared the team was to play at an NFL level and that is when the "Watch the tape, fix some things" era kicked off.

The fact is there were problems with the team that the average Rube could see and call out, yet the HC either couldn't see it himself or he did nothing to correct the problem and stubbornly stuck to a roster and schemes that were ineffective and inefficient.

This was probably never a SB roster no matter who was the coach but with the proper coaching the talent on this roster could have and should have won the division in a year where the top teams had QB troubles of their own. For that reason there is no correct solution except to change the coaching staff completely. I would also like to change the GM and the Owner but that doesn't look too likely.

kevoncox
12-25-2013, 10:32 AM
The stage for his firing was set in the preseason as far as I am concerned. Frazier went into the pre season by anointing Ponder as the starter and not mandating that he earn the position through his play. Then, during the pre season when many of us were questioning him on why he was treating Ponder like he was a proven commodity and giving him more pre season reps to get the offense on track he assured everyone that once the season started they would be ready to go and the offense would click.

In the first game it became totally obvious that he didn't know what he was talking about and that he grossly overestimated how prepared the team was to play at an NFL level and that is when the "Watch the tape, fix some things" era kicked off.

The fact is there were problems with the team that the average Rube could see and call out, yet the HC either couldn't see it himself or he did nothing to correct the problem and stubbornly stuck to a roster and schemes that were ineffective and inefficient.

This was probably never a SB roster no matter who was the coach but with the proper coaching the talent on this roster could have and should have won the division in a year where the top teams had QB troubles of their own. For that reason there is no correct solution except to change the coaching staff completely. I would also like to change the GM and the Owner but that doesn't look too likely.

We always assume that Fraiser had a say in all these decisions. Yes he is the head coach but like he has said many times, the QB decision was not his alone. I believe that he was forced to play Ponder. The team had to see what he had. They could not leave a ghost of a 1st round QB sitting out there.

johnkdbr
12-25-2013, 10:33 AM
I really believe we will have a new HC for 2014. I really like the Bengals DC. We need a HC that brings accountability & attitude. With that said, it's such a crap shoot. Will he bring in a OC that will take advantage of AP, Patterson, Jennings & Rudolph? Will he bring in a DC that can make the right adjustments? How bout Shannahan? Good chance he will be available in 2014. I really like Bellicheck too. I just hope the Vikes front office puts egos aside and picks a head coach that can finally take us to the promise land.

kevoncox
12-25-2013, 10:34 AM
Also... what happened to all of the Rick Speilman love from the off season. I remember being insulted because I pointed out that he was an imbecile. Where has the unwavering support gone?

jargomcfargo
12-25-2013, 12:06 PM
There has been some recent noise about the role of continuity, stability, and longevity of front office and coaching staffs in the NFL.
And while it would appear that successful franchises have that long term stability in their staffs, it is ridiculous to think that continuity alone is responsible for that success. In fact it is the other way around. Success and a talented staff leads to longevity and continuity.
It is foolish to stand behind an inferior staff with the hope that continuity or longevity will somehow transform the team to championship form.
Bring in the right talent, longevity, continuity, and success will follow.

Purple Floyd
12-25-2013, 07:21 PM
We always assume that Fraiser had a say in all these decisions. Yes he is the head coach but like he has said many times, the QB decision was not his alone. I believe that he was forced to play Ponder. The team had to see what he had. They could not leave a ghost of a 1st round QB sitting out there.

Whether he was forced to play Ponder or not is irrelevant. He still had the opportunity to play him extensively in the pre season and use that time to get the offense to work as well as it could rather than sitting him like he was an HOF player. And if he didn't think Ponder was the right guy, what better way to expose that than having him throw 40-50 passes each pre season game like they did with Freeman in his one game? He was also responsible for the LB decisions and it seems to most fans and the coaches now that Henderson was not the best choice for MLB yet Frazier kept him in there while he floundered.

If all that was forced on him he should have quit straight up and walked away. If he stayed anyway and that was the case then he has no spine and I don't want him.

jmcdon00
12-26-2013, 01:50 PM
I think Ponder will likely be on the team next year, as a backup. His contract is 100% guaranteed, so unless we can trade him he will count for 3.2 million in cap space whether we keep him or cut him. He's essentially a free player.

purplepat
12-27-2013, 06:51 AM
I like Frazier and his demeanor as a coach.

That said, two 10+ loss seasons out of three is drastically underperforming (even with one 10 win, playoff season sandwiched in there). And whether it's Frazier or his DC Williams, there have been some boneheaded coaching mistakes this season that potentially (probably) cost this team some wins. And I don't know who is responsible for the whole QB debacle, but that has been a completely mismanaged disaster. At the very least, I think Alan Williams needs to go, and probably scrap the Tampa 2. But chances are you need to let the entire staff go and bring in fresh faces and ideas everywhere. I think the Vikings have a lot of talent to work with, and some glaring holes to fill. After the disaster that was this season, I'm losing faith in Frazier's ability to get it done.

singersp
12-27-2013, 08:36 AM
I think Ponder will likely be on the team next year, as a backup. His contract is 100% guaranteed, so unless we can trade him he will count for 3.2 million in cap space whether we keep him or cut him. He's essentially a free player.

From what I've read Ponder isn't in the plans for next year, not even as a backup. Their planning to try & trade him in May. Freeman won't be resigned either. They'll keep Cassel & bring in two new QB's.

tastywaves
12-27-2013, 01:14 PM
From what I've read Ponder isn't in the plans for next year, not even as a backup. Their planning to try & trade him in May. Freeman won't be resigned either. They'll keep Cassel & bring in two new QB's.

No doubt they will shop him and try to find a partner willing to take his $3.2M salary along with a late round pick. A new coach should have some say in this as well.

Freya
12-28-2013, 03:13 PM
Goodbye Frazier, Ponder, and Freeman?

I'm ok with this.

purpledoom
12-29-2013, 08:06 AM
Saw that Freeman would be interested in coming back. But then I would be perfectly willing to do what he's done for half the money:rofl:.

AngloVike
12-29-2013, 11:36 AM
From what I've read Ponder isn't in the plans for next year, not even as a backup. Their planning to try & trade him in May. Freeman won't be resigned either. They'll keep Cassel & bring in two new QB's.
Can't see we're likely to see a trade partner for him. The league pretty much knows he's going nowhere in Minnesota and so expect him to get cut and then picked up.
As for the two QBs, so are we looking at drafting one and picking another in FA? As having two veterans on the roster may make for an interesting time though would give plenty of time to then groom a rookie. If we do that then I would see us looking for a rookie in the 2nd or 3rd round then, can't imagine we would take a QB with our first pick and sit him on the bench for the first year. Of course that is based on our previous ways of handling QBs, a new HC may have a way different way of doing things.

VKG4LFE
12-30-2013, 09:14 AM
Goodbye gentlemen. Good luck with your hot wife ponder.