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EricTheViking
11-04-2013, 01:21 PM
Yardbarker: Leslie Frazier cuts to the chase, names QB Christian Ponder starter for Thursday night's game against Redskins - LockerPulse (http://www.lockerpulse.com/News/Leslie-Frazier-cuts-to-the-chase-names-QB-Christian-Ponder-starter-for-Thursday-nights-game-against-Redskins-S8573656/)

vikinggreg
11-04-2013, 01:42 PM
Yardbarker: Leslie Frazier cuts to the chase, names QB Christian Ponder starter for Thursday night's game against Redskins - LockerPulse (http://www.lockerpulse.com/News/Leslie-Frazier-cuts-to-the-chase-names-QB-Christian-Ponder-starter-for-Thursday-nights-game-against-Redskins-S8573656/)
I'm not really surprised here with 2 days to prep for this game he's seems to be the right choice in limited options, can always go back to Cassel and whom ever is damaged goods due to a sloppy game might as well be Ponder.

drewlovs
11-04-2013, 01:58 PM
Just my opinion, but I expect Ponder will be the QB until Freeman says, "Ready!"

Then he had better be, for his chances both here OR elsewhere.

purplehelmut
11-04-2013, 02:03 PM
Just my opinion, but I expect Ponder will be the QB until Freeman says, "Ready!"

Then he had better be, for his chances both here OR elsewhere.

Freeman will say "Ready, Fire, Aim!"

drewlovs
11-04-2013, 02:42 PM
Freeman will say "Ready, Fire, Aim!"

I'm ready to give him a fair shake at the job. Many people were very hard on him for his performance in his first game, but then people absolutely gave up on Nick Foles when he had that shit-burger of a game for the Eagles. Look what he did yesterday with the time, snaps and preparation.

And YES, I think Freeman should be at least as good as Nick Foles. I would not mind seeing him as our number one next year with a Manziel behind him in the wings, making him put up or shut up.

rednorsk
11-04-2013, 06:02 PM
The big question is : Will the defensive coach listen to the players?

singersp
11-05-2013, 06:38 AM
With Rudolph out for a month, Carlson will have to have an above average game.

purplehelmut
11-05-2013, 08:30 AM
Someone please remind me again why we gave over 2 million for Freeman to sit on the bench ? We're 1-7 for crying out loud. Ponder isn't suddenly going to grow a cannon arm and be able to read coverage past the first look. We should throw Freeman out there and see what he can do. We already know Ponder's MO. It would be like a rookie getting thrown to the dogs, only he isn't a rookie.

vikinggreg
11-05-2013, 09:00 AM
Someone please remind me again why we gave over 2 million for Freeman to sit on the bench ? We're 1-7 for crying out loud. Ponder isn't suddenly going to grow a cannon arm and be able to read coverage past the first look. We should throw Freeman out there and see what he can do. We already know Ponder's MO. It would be like a rookie getting thrown to the dogs, only he isn't a rookie.
I'd say due to Freeman's limited time in our crappy offense Ponder and Cassel are probably better for now running it with that being said the Vikings are 1-7 due in large part to the defense ranked last in the league in plays per drive, points per drive, and time per drive allowed....they're only 31st in the league in yards per drive and 31st in the line of scrimmage where the drives start
LINK (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestatsdef2013)

Now I know the offense isn't good ranked 23rd in passing yards and that's after Freeman's really bad outing but really with this defense we need Peyton and Welker added to hide the warts of defense and a secondary that has lost another starter.

As for the 2 mil to Freeman and where's the value.....I don't know look at what Robison, Allen and Williams are getting this season on defense and then before last week Peterson was only getting like 12-13 touches per game over what the 3 games and how much does he get paid. 2 mil isn't that much wasted when you start looking around at how this roster is used.

tastywaves
11-05-2013, 10:27 AM
Someone please remind me again why we gave over 2 million for Freeman to sit on the bench ? We're 1-7 for crying out loud. Ponder isn't suddenly going to grow a cannon arm and be able to read coverage past the first look. We should throw Freeman out there and see what he can do. We already know Ponder's MO. It would be like a rookie getting thrown to the dogs, only he isn't a rookie.

It's also quite possible that Freeman looks just as bad in practice as he did against the Giants.

As a fan that realizes this season is over, I would also like to see more of Freeman. But that is coming from a very uninformed, naive perspective...mine. If we take Spielman for his word that Frazier will make the decision on who starts at QB, then I can understand why Ponder gets the start. His Dallas game was a decent game, the up tempo offense was a big improvement. Probably the first time this year we had positive time of possession. We almost looked like an NFL team. It also gives Freeman more time which he should of had from the beginning to be given half a chance to succeed when he does get put in.

The money spent on Freeman is meaningless in terms of whether he should play. He is still the lowest cap hit on the team of our 3 QB's.

Now, I also realize that Ponder isn't going to suddenly get a lot better, we've seen who he is at this point and we need to get better. I don't think Cassell is the answer and I highly doubt Freeman is the answer. But, if Ponder doesn't have a good game this Thursday night, then I would guess Freeman gets the start and will likely ride it out until the end of the year. Excuses for him will be pretty much nullified at this point as well.

drewlovs
11-05-2013, 12:28 PM
I think the freeman start was FORCED on Frazier, so Frazier said, "Ok, YOU want him in, YOU want to embarrass the organization, here ya go!" and made the poor kid throw it 50+ times. That, in my VERY uninformed opinion, is why we know for sure that Frazier will only put Freeman in when he AND Freeman think it's time.

This is Ponder's last start. I'd bet $100 on it if I HAD $100.

marshallvike
11-05-2013, 08:38 PM
Someone please remind me again why we gave over 2 million for Freeman to sit on the bench ? We're 1-7 for crying out loud. Ponder isn't suddenly going to grow a cannon arm and be able to read coverage past the first look. We should throw Freeman out there and see what he can do. We already know Ponder's MO. It would be like a rookie getting thrown to the dogs, only he isn't a rookie.

Did you watch the game Freeman played??????
That was the worst QB performance I have seen in the 40+ years I have been watching football.

i_bleed_purple
11-06-2013, 06:41 AM
Did you watch the game Freeman played??????
That was the worst QB performance I have seen in the 40+ years I have been watching football.

Implying Freeman is the worst QB in the last 40 years?

Doubtful. The guy had 10 days to learn an offense, and more importantly get in sync with his receivers. Jennings, Simpson, Wright and CP are going to run routes and be in spots differently than receivers in Tampa. That stuff takes time. We shouldn't have asked him to throw 50+ times.

Purple Floyd
11-06-2013, 06:59 AM
He only stated it was the worst performance. Stats back That up.

i_bleed_purple
11-06-2013, 07:23 AM
He only stated it was the worst performance. Stats back That up.

Fair enough, but can't really use that as a basis for claiming he should never play another down of football for us when Ponder has a whole body of work to pull from supporting a similar claim.

Reignman
11-06-2013, 08:52 AM
I can understand why Ponder gets the start. His Dallas game was a decent game, the up tempo offense was a big improvement.Decent by Ponder standards of course. His 82.7 game rating was still below the league season average of 84.5. And he actually had a higher rating vs Green Bay last week at 86.4 (thanks to garbage time), but nobody thought that was a good game lol. But I agree, I liked the up tempo offense, it's a sign that these clowns are willing to try something new now that we're all but mathematically eliminated.


Probably the first time this year we had positive time of possession. We almost looked like an NFL team.It's actually the 2nd time we've won the TOP battle this year, but it was our best. We also edged out Cleveland.

lost 23:41 to 36:19 at Detroit
lost 29:26 to 30:34 at Chicago
won 31:08 to 28:52 vs Cleveland
lost 23:33 to 36:27 vs Pittsburgh
lost 23:33 to 36:27 vs Carolina
lost 23:38 to 36:22 at New York
lost 19:06 to 40:54 vs Green Bay
won 31:27 to 28:33 at Dallas

We lose the TOP battle an average of 25:41 to 34:19 per game. However we're not the worst in the league, Philadelphia has a 25:07 to 34:53 ratio going (mainly because of their high tempo offense). Carolina is best in the league at 34:01 to 25:59. And that Green Bay game was the worst TOP by any team in any game this season.

purplehelmut
11-06-2013, 09:07 AM
Did you watch the game Freeman played??????
That was the worst QB performance I have seen in the 40+ years I have been watching football.

Granted, but the guy can't be that bad or we wouldn't have even brought him in (or would we?). He's shown he can play while at TB. Obviously he wasn't ready to play, but that was a few weeks ago. Surely a player with as much time as he has in the league can pick up at least the rudimentary elements of a pro offense. My point is we know what we have in Ponder and Cassel and we are out of any hope for the playoffs. We need to see what Freeman can or cannot do so we can plan for next year. What's the point of bringing him in and sitting him?

Reignman
11-06-2013, 09:28 AM
Did you watch the game Freeman played??????
That was the worst QB performance I have seen in the 40+ years I have been watching football.Implying Freeman is the worst QB in the last 40 years?

Doubtful. The guy had 10 days to learn an offense, and more importantly get in sync with his receivers. Jennings, Simpson, Wright and CP are going to run routes and be in spots differently than receivers in Tampa. That stuff takes time. We shouldn't have asked him to throw 50+ times.He only stated it was the worst performance. Stats back That up.Rating wise it wasn't even Freemans worst career game.

12.1 - 2009 WK 13 vs NYJ .... 14/33, 42.4%, 93 YDS, 2.82 AVG, 0 TD, 3 INT
33.1 - 2009 WK 10 vs NO .... 17/33, 51.5%, 126 YDS, 3.82 AVG, 1 TD, 3 INT
33.6 - 2011 WK 9 vs HOU .... 15/33, 45.5%, 170 YDS, 5.15 AVG, 1 TD, 3 INT
36.5 - 2009 WK 12 at CAR ... 23/44, 52.3%, 321 YDS, 7.30 AVG, 0 TD, 5 INT
37.5 - 2012 WK 14 at NO ..... 26/47, 55.3%, 279 YDS, 5.94 AVG, 0 TD, 4 INT
40.6 - 2013 WK 6 at NYG ..... 20/53, 37.7%, 190 YDS, 3.58 AVG, 0 TD, 1 INT
43.4 - 2011 WK 5 at SF ........ 17/33, 51.5%, 187 YDS, 5.67 AVG, 0 TD, 2 INT
43.9 - 2011 WK 13 at JAC .... 16/30, 53.3%, 181 YDS, 6.03 AVG, 0 TD, 2 INT

marshallvike
11-07-2013, 09:02 PM
Implying Freeman is the worst QB in the last 40 years?

Doubtful. The guy had 10 days to learn an offense, and more importantly get in sync with his receivers. Jennings, Simpson, Wright and CP are going to run routes and be in spots differently than receivers in Tampa. That stuff takes time. We shouldn't have asked him to throw 50+ times.

I did not imply that. I stated that was the worst QB performance I had ever watched. You may disagree, but I can't understand how. He was lucky the Giants secondary was trying to stick with our receivers. The throws were so far off, they didn't have a prayer of intercepting them. He couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat that day.
I do agree with the rest of this though. I thought it was ridiculous to force Frazier to throw Freeman out there with less than two weeks on the team. I still think it is too early for him. He screwed up by insisting on the 1 yr deal. He would greatly benefit from spending time learning his receivers, both this season and the offseason. A two year deal would have given him time, and if he did turn out to be a decent QB, he could have moved on with a nice contract while we move our 2014 1st round pick into the starting spot. As it stands, there is not a team in the league who will think he is worth a wooden nickel.

Purple Floyd
11-07-2013, 09:29 PM
With Rudolph out for a month, Carlson will have to have an above average game.
He is

Purple Floyd
11-07-2013, 09:33 PM
Fair enough, but can't really use that as a basis for claiming he should never play another down of football for us when Ponder has a whole body of work to pull from supporting a similar claim.
Since they have zero plans to play Cassel I would prefer they play Freeman the rest of the year,

singersp
11-08-2013, 06:50 AM
With Rudolph out for a month, Carlson will have to have an above average game.

And he did.