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singersp
11-04-2013, 03:36 AM
Why The Minnesota Vikings Must Draft Johnny Manziel

Why The Minnesota Vikings Must Draft Johnny Manziel - iSports Times (http://www.isportstimes.com/articles/9352/20131101/minnesota-vikings-draft-johnny-manziel.htm)

drakkar
11-04-2013, 04:22 AM
not sure Johnny Football is a top 3 pick, have to keep our fingers crossed that Mariotta declares.

skum
11-04-2013, 05:25 AM
You can proberly nit-pick small stuff from pretty much everybody, but who does these plays remind you of?

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From Bridgewater and down to everyone else there is a massive gap..

I don't want Mariotta at this point, he is very raw at this point, does not step into throws and does not step up in the pocket, he also does not move his foot at all when he is in the pocket, plus every snap he takes in a shotgun snap, which would take Adrian out of the game. He does however possess a massive arm and does make good plays with his feet, but can he translate that to the NFL?, not many has.

Manziel has off-field concerns and also might struggle with physique has he is only 5'11, some also has concerns about his arm strength.

Purple Floyd
11-04-2013, 06:28 AM
Manziel seems too careless with the ball when he runs. He holds it out there like foreman used to in the day but that will get it stripped from him in the NFL.

That being said, bridgewater hasn't beaten anyone elite and I don't see him making throws into tight coverage because the defenses he is playing don't have the talent to provide it. That being said if he could make a career out if playing against our secondary he could be in canton. But so could thousands if others.

purpledoom
11-04-2013, 07:59 AM
Manziel's off the field issues worry me some. Far as height goes, Russell Wilson's not tall either. Supposedly his passing game has improved this year, don't watch enough college ball to know. He is a winner and he has loads of confidence, sure could use that in a quarterback for a change.

bleedpurple
11-04-2013, 08:15 AM
I'm hoping we draft Bridgewater...

purplehelmut
11-04-2013, 08:21 AM
Not Manziel! Fact is, after Bridgewater, who is no lead-pipe lock himself, the upcoming qb class isn't stellar. Maybe there is a diamond in the rough out there like Rogers was, but I'm fairly certain our FO won't be able to identify him. I'll go on record- Manziel will be a bust.

Suick
11-04-2013, 12:29 PM
Nothing is a lock. See Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell. Everytime we try to outsmart the league and pull a diamond out of the rough we've ended up with a T Joke or a Christian Pondscum.

Phuck it! I'm all in for Johnny Football. Launch the party boat bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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drewlovs
11-04-2013, 01:35 PM
Manziel might be a bust, but he also might just be a Farve...the two are similar in the "gunslinger" approach they use. Ponder just can't stop thinking and ACT; it is the cross he has to bear. Manziel is quite the opposite, and would be a very very bold move for the Vikings.

And that is why I am SURE we will push for Bridgewater, the "safe" QB.

purplehelmut
11-04-2013, 02:08 PM
Favre was 6-2 and 220 pounds. Manziel needs a booster seat to see out the windshield.

Suick
11-04-2013, 02:14 PM
Tarkenton was 6 ft 0 in, 190.

drewlovs
11-04-2013, 02:16 PM
Favre was 6-2 and 220 pounds. Manziel needs a booster seat to see out the windshield.

Tell that to Drew Brees.

And NO, I'm not saying Manziel is like Brees, only comparing heights.

purplehelmut
11-04-2013, 03:09 PM
Tarkenton was 6 ft 0 in, 190.

Average height of OL then wasn't the same as now. Besides, Tark was a singular talent. And, um, he never won a Super Bowl. You guys gotta give up the Johnny Football hype. Not a strong arm, not a great decision maker, and too small. Plus he's an immature jerk- not what you want from a franchise perspective. I'm telling you- if we get Johnny boy it won't be diapers you're in before we win a SB, it will be a pine box long buried.

Purple Floyd
11-04-2013, 05:17 PM
Favre was 6-2 and 220 pounds. Manziel needs a booster seat to see out the windshield.

Johnny is 6'1 and 216.

skum
11-04-2013, 05:31 PM
Johnny is 6'1 and 216.

Must wait for Scouting Combine to get the official height, but ive seen 5'10 and 5'11 listed as well.

tastywaves
11-04-2013, 06:08 PM
I'm going with 5'11-3/4".

Sporting news says Brees/Wilson have a high delivery and quick release which puts them on par with 6'4 qb's. Manziel has a lower release making his height a bigger issue. They don't like his footwork in the pocket either. What they do like is his ability to make plays. He also has NFL caliber OL and WR's helping him out.

purplehelmut
11-04-2013, 08:28 PM
You can tell by looking at the boy he isn't over 6 feet. College athletic departments been stretching boys for years. Kids a munchkin. His throw it up to superior receivers and let them go get it works in college but he won't have Megatron in the pros. If he's 6-1 I'll chug a beer. And I mean without those elevator heel things he probably uses to be taller around chicks.

Suick
11-05-2013, 09:20 AM
Josh Freeman is 6'6"

I'm not saying that Manziel is the answer, but I'm at the "what the phuck" stage and ready to try anything. Again............... let's not try to out smart the rest of the NFL and believe we can pluck a diamond from a cow pasture. Stick with obvious pick for God's sake.

Suick
11-05-2013, 09:24 AM
Average height of OL then wasn't the same as now. Besides, Tark was a singular talent. And, um, he never won a Super Bowl. You guys gotta give up the Johnny Football hype. Not a strong arm, not a great decision maker, and too small. Plus he's an immature jerk- not what you want from a franchise perspective. I'm telling you- if we get Johnny boy it won't be diapers you're in before we win a SB, it will be a pine box long buried.

At this point I'd be happy rooting for a team that's not an embarrasment.:irked:

tastywaves
11-05-2013, 10:38 AM
Josh Freeman is 6'6"

I'm not saying that Manziel is the answer, but I'm at the "what the phuck" stage and ready to try anything. Again............... let's not try to out smart the rest of the NFL and believe we can pluck a diamond from a cow pasture. Stick with obvious pick for God's sake.

So far the "throw the shit against the wall and see what sticks" approach isn't doing so well for us. I would like us to pick the QB that is going to succeed in the NFL and not just might succeed if all the cards line up just right. If that characterizes Manziel, then he should go around the 3rd round like Wilson. If somebody wants to reach for Manziel and take him early in the first round, then go for it, I would pass. Bridgewater at this point looks like the only guy worthy of a top 5 pick. The other guys are intriguing and may come in and have instant success (as most dual threat QB's do), however, long term success is what we need and that generally comes from a QB that can operate from the pocket.

I still would like to see more of Bryce Petty from Baylor, he also looks to fit the mold. Their remaining schedule looks like this: Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, TCU and Texas. If he comes through this patch with good numbers, look for him to pass a lot of QB's on the draft board.

Here's a good scouting breakdown of Petty:
Baylor?s Bryce Petty: System Quarterback or Top Flight Prospect? (http://www.optimumscouting.com/draft/articles/baylor-s-bryce-petty-system-quarterback-or-top-flight-prospect.html)


Conclusion
The reasons for Petty’s emergence in this offense are also why I view him as a potential first rounder–his velocity control, ball placement and release quickness all deserve “plus” marks on a scouting report. As often stated by ESPN analyst Trent Dilfer, there are a ton of quarterbacks that have tremendous arm strength and ability to gun the football. The difference between arm strength and true “arm talent” is the ability to control the flight of the ball, adjust trajectory and velocity as required, and most of all throw with consistent accuracy across the field. While he’s a big guy and has a big arm, Petty has proven early this season to be in possession of true arm talent and he’s a prospect to keep an eye on as the season progresses.

tarkenton10
11-05-2013, 11:33 AM
You can proberly nit-pick small stuff from pretty much everybody, but who does these plays remind you of?

http://i.minus.com/iF4l4EdSqZDdy.gif
http://i.minus.com/ikF0jC51A9diw.gif
http://i.minus.com/ibgywOO2JQ6yc.gif

From Bridgewater and down to everyone else there is a massive gap..

I don't want Mariotta at this point, he is very raw at this point, does not step into throws and does not step up in the pocket, he also does not move his foot at all when he is in the pocket, plus every snap he takes in a shotgun snap, which would take Adrian out of the game. He does however possess a massive arm and does make good plays with his feet, but can he translate that to the NFL?, not many has.

Manziel has off-field concerns and also might struggle with physique has he is only 5'11, some also has concerns about his arm strength.

I have a bad feeling about Bridgewater and Johnny football. If I had to draft a QB right now, this minute I would select Blake Bortles out of UCF. He has a great arm and can make all the throws but what I like about this kid is if you watch him he has the touch. I watched him drop a pass over the head of the LB and right into his WR arms in the end zone against Louisville that was just a perfect pass. I will be watching him closely at the combine but he is the leader in my mind.

drewlovs
11-05-2013, 12:22 PM
I'll say it again, the Mannion kid at Oregon State has a great arm, and has gotten miraculous wins when the team stunk up the field for half the game. Here is a write up on the loss to Stanford, but I think the writer might not have considered the fact that the coaches did not want to challenge Stanford with the long ball, and Mannion didn't have a say.

NFL Draft Notes -- Oregon State's Sean Mannion fails to deliver - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24143898/nfl-draft-notes----oregon-states-sean-mannion-fails-to-deliver)

What impressed me the most was in the 3 games I have seen him in, he was on the money in the fourth quarter when the game was on the line. He was GOLD.

Do I want the Vikings to get him NOW...no, probably not. But right now, we are just discussing possibilities, right?

Reignman
11-06-2013, 09:58 AM
Oh god no, not future NFL bust Manziel. The dude panics, takes off too early, holds the ball out like a loaf of bread, and when he does throw, he just throws it up for grabs and Evans usually wins the jump ball. That backyard clown show isn't going to work vs NFL defenses. If anything we need to draft that Evans kid, he catches anything thrown in his vicinity. I'd rather see us draft AJ McCarron, he looks like a solid pocket passer.

vikesrgreat2
11-07-2013, 10:21 AM
How about Brett Hundley? To me, he sounds like he may be the most NFL-ready QB of the bunch. I think we should consider him, as it sounds like he could be most ready from Day 1 of the 2014 season. Thoughts, anyone?

skum
11-08-2013, 04:50 AM
How about Brett Hundley? To me, he sounds like he may be the most NFL-ready QB of the bunch. I think we should consider him, as it sounds like he could be most ready from Day 1 of the 2014 season. Thoughts, anyone?

I disagree, he also lacks a lot. I think he will be another guy that will be overdrafted because he is a QB. There are many of these dual-threat QBs in this years draft and i have a hard time seing those types of players succeeding in the NFL. They all get shut down vs the speed of NFL defenses. Can they evolve a passing game frorm the pocket, that is the question.

Bridgewater is the most NFL ready QB this year, after that i think its guys like Aaron Murray and Zach Mettenberger, maybe David Fales. I haven't seen much stuff on Blake Bottles so can't say anything about him.

singersp
11-08-2013, 06:43 AM
Bridgewater is the most NFL ready QB this year

We still have "the most NFL ready QB" from 2011 on our roster.

jargomcfargo
11-08-2013, 10:26 AM
If the read option is going to be part of their game, they better get a big guy that can take the hits. These running QB's who are slight of build like Vick, RGIII, and Ponder won't be able to stay healthy long enough to last.
Even if Ponder starts playing better, his tendency to bail out on passing plays and run will result in a string of injuries due to his slight build.
The Vikings have AP to run the ball. They need a QB that really can make all the throws, not just the short ones. A QB with accuracy but big enough to take shots and stay healthy.
I feel bad for RGII. The offense he plays in gets him beat like a running back. He's going to have a short career.
Russell Wilson and kaepernick, may be the exception as they rarely take hits.

Braddock
11-09-2013, 05:13 PM
Manziel will not be a bust. Despite his tendency to run, he continues to look down the field to throw. As I'm typing this, thee was another example of him doing so against Miss St--made a great throw for a first down. Take Manziel with our swiss cheese O-Line, and he can keep plays alive, ala Favre.

Bridgewater may be the best in a QB drill, but put him under center (which he never does in Louisville) with NFL calibur rushers, and he will be a bust.

Manziel, or that UCF kid are the only... yes ONLY... QBs I want on our team from this year's draft.

Minniman
11-10-2013, 03:46 AM
Manziel, or that UCF kid are the only... yes ONLY... QBs I want on our team from this year's draft.
It is too bad Jameis Winston is a redshirt freshman. If he keeps playing as well as he has this season for his entire college career, he will go number one in a future draft anyway.

What about Bryce Petty? His efficiency stats are very good. 21 passing TDs and 1 INT along with 8 rushing TDs are superb . He is 6-3 and 230 lbs.

Johnny Manziel has some upside, but his picks and happy feet in a solid pocket are scary. His 72.5 completion percentage is too good to overlook casually.

Note on that video that a defender shadows Manziel on every play.