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singersp
05-19-2013, 10:24 AM
Packers Receive a Gift in 2014 and 2015 with the Vikings’ New Stadium Plans

Packers Receive a Gift in 2014 and 2015 with the Vikings (http://lombardiave.com/2013/05/15/packers-receive-a-gift-in-2014-and-2015-with-the-vikings-new-stadium-plans/)

HEY
05-19-2013, 03:23 PM
I don't like to admit it, but the author makes some good point about the Vikings playing outdoors at TCF Bank Stadium in 2014 and 2015.

Let's hope Vikings just continue to get better and better with the promising young roster we have now. A great team will overcome the certainties.

Mr Anderson
05-19-2013, 04:01 PM
He makes some good points for sure. The Peterson bit was a stretch though.

singersp
05-19-2013, 09:56 PM
Minnesota was 10-2 in domes in 2012-13. However, they were 0-5 in outdoor stadiums.

Ponder’s QB rating in outdoor stadiums last season was poor, compared to a respectable rating indoors.

Outdoors in 2012 Ponder had a rating of 73.2 completed 59.4% of his passes (56.7% on grass) & averaged 5.37 per pass.

Indoors in 2012 Ponder had a rating of 87.3 completed 64.1% of his passes & averaged 6.61 per pass.

In 2014, the Vikings will play outdoors in at least 13 of there 16 games.

But then again there's no guarantee Ponder will be our starting QB in 2014

jargomcfargo
05-20-2013, 12:24 PM
Outdoors in 2012 Ponder had a rating of 73.2 completed 59.4% of his passes (56.7% on grass) & averaged 5.37 per pass.

Indoors in 2012 Ponder had a rating of 87.3 completed 64.1% of his passes & averaged 6.61 per pass.

In 2014, the Vikings will play outdoors in at least 13 of there 16 games.

But then again there's no guarantee Ponder will be our starting QB in 2014

It has more to do with home games vs. away games, than outdoor/indoor games. If the Vikings home games were outdoors it's likely Ponder and the team would have better outdoor results.

Traveling_Vike
05-20-2013, 03:17 PM
We'll see how much of a "gift" this is when the Packers actually come to visit.

tastywaves
05-20-2013, 04:08 PM
It has more to do with home games vs. away games, than outdoor/indoor games. If the Vikings home games were outdoors it's likely Ponder and the team would have better outdoor results.

Good point.

I think two general statements can be made. QB stats on the road are worse than at home and QB stats outdoors are worse than indoors. There will always be exceptions (esp. Matt Ryan), but over a large set of data I think those two statements will be fairly significant.

Quarterback Rating - Home vs. Away Across NFL Teams - SportingCharts.com (http://www.sportingcharts.com/articles/nfl/quarterback-rating-home-vs-away-across-nfl-teams.aspx)

1991 - 2011 stats on home vs away QB ratings shows 81.96 vs 77.42 (4.54 point differential).

I couldn't find a general study on indoor vs outdoor, but if you look across most QB's indoor vs. outdoor you will find there is generally a significant drop in rating, generally around 5-10 points. The elite QB's don't seem to have as much variation in their numbers and even go against the averages, guess that's part of why they are elite. I grabbed some stats from 2012 courtest NFL.com situations stats for the above average QB's. The average for these 10 QB's came out at 95.9 on turf and 88.6 on grass.

Elite QB's:

Tom Brady (2012)
Home Away
101 96.5
Turf Grass
99.2 96.9

Aaron Rodgers (2012)
Home Away
101.3 114.9
Turf Grass
108.3 107.8

Drew Brees (2012)
Home Away
103.4 90.1
Turf Grass
94.6 100.2

2nd Tier QB's:

Eli Manning (2012):
Home Away
96.8 77.4
Turf Grass
95.4 84.3

Matt Stafford
Home Away
81.4 78.0
Turf Grass
83.6 74.3

Joe Flacco
Home Away
99 74.9
Turf Grass
98 75.3

Matt Ryan
Home Away
86.2 111.3
Turf Grass
93.1 109

Matt Schaub
Home Away
101.7 79.5
Turf Grass
97.5 71.8

Phillip Rivers
Home Away
83,8 93.2
Turf Grass
99.7 87.1

Jay Cutler
Home Away
79.4 83.2
Turf Grass
89.3 79.0

singersp
05-20-2013, 07:38 PM
It has more to do with home games vs. away games, than outdoor/indoor games. If the Vikings home games were outdoors it's likely Ponder and the team would have better outdoor results.

I might tend to agree with that except our "home" games in 2014, although in MN, are actually at TCF & not a field we are used to. It's not the same as playing in the Metrodome. Look at our other "home" game at TCF & our "home" game at Detroit or the Saints home" games in 2005. All home games are not the same.

The Bears were a 13-3 team in 2001 at Soldier field, but in 2002 when they played at Memorial stadium while Soldier Field was being renovated, they went 4-12.

RK.
05-21-2013, 12:11 AM
Wait, wait. I thought I have read in here how playing out doors in the freezing cold and snow was going to be a huge advantage to the Vikings. We should be going 13-3 during our stay at TCF. :rolleyes: