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AF_Viking
03-12-2013, 09:08 PM
Noooo... Re-signed a below average linebacker according to Tom's Twitter.

Purple Floyd
03-12-2013, 09:19 PM
Hopefully we draft a guy who makes him obsolete.

VikesfaninWis
03-12-2013, 09:26 PM
If this is true, this is Spielman's MO big time. Go with average to below average players because they are cheap while every other team pays for good players that will significantly help their teams. Sure we can have another good draft, but what are the chances that we can draft a LB or two, a DB or two, a WR or four, and have them all contribute? The answer is none.

I was all for the Harvin trade as long as Spielman brought in other weapons, so far that doesn't look likely and all we keep hearing from the idiot is how he likes to build through the draft. So it looks like all of our help next year has to be put squarely on the shoulders of a bunch of rookies and second year players.

That is only half the problem. Outside of Harrison Smith, our backfield sucks. If you are starting a AJ Jefferson and Chris Cook as our CB's, that is horrible. Who will start opposite Smith at Safety? Sanford? He is ok, but no shutdown safety. Who will start opposite Greenway at LB? Henderson if he is back? Big f'n whoop.

We think Ponder sucks now, wait until next season when there are no real WR's on this team and every team stacks the line big time to stop AD. Funny how a year after your team shocks the NFL with getting to 10 wins, a playoff spot, and your RB winning MVP, that they decide to go into rebuild mode.

That is exactly what this team is doing. They will say that they expect to compete, but when they don't, they will make the excuse that they are a young team that needs time together. I can just see it now. Fans of this team deserve more, the players like Allen and AD deserve more. I'm sure glad that I don't live in Minnesota and being swindled into helping pay for that stadium. This team doesn't deserve a new stadium, but look at the bright side, when the new stadium comes, a SB will follow, just the Vikings won't be playing in it.

As you can tell, I am just fed up with the direction of this team. Sick of talent being wasted, sick of supporting a pathetic franchise that can't deliver for their fans, sick of living in Green Bay and taking shit all the time from my buddies who are all Packer fans. Everything they say is true, the Vikings are a franchise that just doesn't know how to run things, thus will never win a SB. Hope things change, but all it looks like is that Spielman is getting rid of all the playmakers and either resigning useless players, or relying way to much on a draft all the time. He is blowing this team up, and like it or not, the Vikings are going backwards.

VikesfaninWis
03-12-2013, 10:16 PM
Vikings reach two-year deal with Erin Henderson | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/12/vikings-reach-two-year-deal-with-erin-henderson/)

MulletMullitia
03-12-2013, 10:21 PM
As you can tell, I am just fed up with the direction of this team. Sick of talent being wasted, sick of supporting a pathetic franchise that can't deliver for their fans, sick of living in Green Bay and taking shit all the time from my buddies who are all Packer fans. Everything they say is true, the Vikings are a franchise that just doesn't know how to run things, thus will never win a SB. Hope things change, but all it looks like is that Spielman is getting rid of all the playmakers and either resigning useless players, or relying way to much on a draft all the time. He is blowing this team up, and like it or not, the Vikings are going backwards.

+1 brother

PackSux!
03-12-2013, 11:02 PM
If this is true, this is Spielman's MO big time. Go with average to below average players because they are cheap while every other team pays for good players that will significantly help their teams. Sure we can have another good draft, but what are the chances that we can draft a LB or two, a DB or two, a WR or four, and have them all contribute? The answer is none.

I was all for the Harvin trade as long as Spielman brought in other weapons, so far that doesn't look likely and all we keep hearing from the idiot is how he likes to build through the draft. So it looks like all of our help next year has to be put squarely on the shoulders of a bunch of rookies and second year players.

That is only half the problem. Outside of Harrison Smith, our backfield sucks. If you are starting a AJ Jefferson and Chris Cook as our CB's, that is horrible. Who will start opposite Smith at Safety? Sanford? He is ok, but no shutdown safety. Who will start opposite Greenway at LB? Henderson if he is back? Big f'n whoop.

We think Ponder sucks now, wait until next season when there are no real WR's on this team and every team stacks the line big time to stop AD. Funny how a year after your team shocks the NFL with getting to 10 wins, a playoff spot, and your RB winning MVP, that they decide to go into rebuild mode.

That is exactly what this team is doing. They will say that they expect to compete, but when they don't, they will make the excuse that they are a young team that needs time together. I can just see it now. Fans of this team deserve more, the players like Allen and AD deserve more. I'm sure glad that I don't live in Minnesota and being swindled into helping pay for that stadium. This team doesn't deserve a new stadium, but look at the bright side, when the new stadium comes, a SB will follow, just the Vikings won't be playing in it.

As you can tell, I am just fed up with the direction of this team. Sick of talent being wasted, sick of supporting a pathetic franchise that can't deliver for their fans, sick of living in Green Bay and taking shit all the time from my buddies who are all Packer fans. Everything they say is true, the Vikings are a franchise that just doesn't know how to run things, thus will never win a SB. Hope things change, but all it looks like is that Spielman is getting rid of all the playmakers and either resigning useless players, or relying way to much on a draft all the time. He is blowing this team up, and like it or not, the Vikings are going backwards.

Wow man you need to go have a beer and relax for a minute. We are seven hours into free agency for fucks sake.

tastywaves
03-12-2013, 11:12 PM
Haven`t seen what we paid fr him. He played OK last year, if the contract was in line with his talent I have no problem with signing a 2 year deal. MLB is the position I would like to see upgraded.

VikesfaninWis
03-13-2013, 12:01 AM
Wow man you need to go have a beer and relax for a minute. We are seven hours into free agency for fucks sake.

Think we will replace Harvin's skills or Winfield's leadership and numbers from a year ago? I highly doubt it. Especially when Spielman is talking about drafting 5 more starters for next season. As I said before, I am ok with getting rid of both of those guys as long as they bring in players that will improve this team, and it doesn't sound like that is happening. He is doing his usual routine of throwing liquid shit against the wall and praying like hell it sticks. Sometimes it has worked for him, and other times it hasn't. The draft last year was good with Kalil, Smith, and Wright, but you won't get that every year, yet he is dead set on trying to do it whether that means passing up on free agents that can help us or not.

VKG4LFE
03-13-2013, 12:21 AM
I'd rather have EJ....

singersp
03-13-2013, 06:39 AM
We think Ponder sucks now, wait until next season when there are no real WR's on this team and every team stacks the line big time to stop AD. Funny how a year after your team shocks the NFL with getting to 10 wins, a playoff spot, and your RB winning MVP, that they decide to go into rebuild mode.

When did we stop rebuilding so we could say we started rebuilding again?

We started rebuilding in 2006 & haven't stopped.

People claimed we were rebuilding in 2011 when Frazier took over & we drafted Ponder.

Then they claimed we were rebuilding in 2012 when Spielman took over.

Now there are people claiming we are rebuilding again in 2013.

VikesfaninWis
03-13-2013, 10:35 AM
When did we stop rebuilding so we could say we started rebuilding again?

We started rebuilding in 2006 & haven't stopped.

People claimed we were rebuilding in 2011 when Frazier took over & we drafted Ponder.

Then they claimed we were rebuilding in 2012 when Spielman took over.

Now there are people claiming we are rebuilding again in 2013.


Let's see, we have no WR's, a mediocre QB, 1 solid DB (Smith), 1 very good LB (Greenway) a DL that is going south based off of stats against the run and pass (which this could very well be the last year of Allen, Robison, and Williams on this team)

I guess for me, the immediate future is not looking the brightest. What are your thoughts, I would love to hear them.

VikesfaninWis
03-13-2013, 10:36 AM
Besides, when you are a 10 win team and a playoff team a year ago, you expect that your front office would improve the team, not take away from it.

mountainviking
03-13-2013, 12:11 PM
You just have to be realistic about these things. There are 52 roster spots and only 123 million to go around, or roughly an average of 2.35 mill/player. But we all know we have a few stars making quite a bit more than that: Jared Allen is over 17 mil, Peterson is about 9, K-Will around 8 etc...in other words, we have to have some Sanfords and Hendersons on the pay roll in order to fill out the team, or we can't have any Adrian Petersons.

I'm glad we've resigned the 5 guys we have, because that is 5 less spots we absolutely have to add now. IF we score an OLB who excels in training camp and beats out Henderson, great! IF not, well, lucky for us we have a solid guy who knows the system. Sure, he's not spectacular, but he's not all that bad either, and you have to admit, that he and Sanford were part of a 10-6 playoff team last season.

We can only get so many starters out of any one draft, and by my estimation, we still need: 2 WRs, a CB, a MLB and could use a DT upgrade too...and that's just starters, we haven't even talked depth yet.

VikesfaninWis
03-13-2013, 04:25 PM
You just have to be realistic about these things. There are 52 roster spots and only 123 million to go around, or roughly an average of 2.35 mill/player.

I understand all that, but its more about what the Vikings don't do versus what they do. For example, how can the Patriots draft Brady in the 6th rd and he turns out to be one of the best QB's of all time? Or how can Seattle draft Wilson in the 3rd or 4th rd and he turns out like that? That dude is not a flash in the pan, he is very good and will only get better as time goes on.

Yet the Vikings reach on Ponder in the 1st rd when he was slated to go in the 2nd rd. That is what I am saying, the Vikings just don't get it right very often. They drafted Troy Williamson 7th overall, we all know how that went. Sure they will strike gold here and there, but this team needs solid players at key positions, not mediocre players at key positions. If you are going to spend big money on certain players, it should be a FRANCHISE QB, at least 1 very good WR, a very good RB, and at least 1 guy on the DL that can get to the QB. We have 2 of the 4, but Allen is going to start dropping off in production if last year was any indication.

tastywaves
03-13-2013, 04:33 PM
I understand all that, but its more about what the Vikings don't do versus what they do. For example, how can the Patriots draft Brady in the 6th rd and he turns out to be one of the best QB's of all time? Or how can Seattle draft Wilson in the 3rd or 4th rd and he turns out like that? That dude is not a flash in the pan, he is very good and will only get better as time goes on.

Yet the Vikings reach on Ponder in the 1st rd when he was slated to go in the 2nd rd. That is what I am saying, the Vikings just don't get it right very often. They drafted Troy Williamson 7th overall, we all know how that went. Sure they will strike gold here and there, but this team needs solid players at key positions, not mediocre players at key positions. If you are going to spend big money on certain players, it should be a FRANCHISE QB, at least 1 very good WR, a very good RB, and at least 1 guy on the DL that can get to the QB. We have 2 of the 4, but Allen is going to start dropping off in production if last year was any indication.

You can pick out exceptions for every club (good and bad). Do you really think NE knew what they were getting when they drafted Brady? If they did, I guarantee you he would have been taken before the sixth round. Sometimes, you get lucky. Also, I think a big factor in a lot of these players' success is determined by which team drafts them, how they get coached and how they get used.

The one thing the winning franchises have over most of the others is long term consistency in ownership, management and coaching staff. Something we haven't had in a long time.

kevoncox
03-13-2013, 06:34 PM
I think Henderson is a good LB. Our LB corp as a whole is pretty good.

tastywaves
03-13-2013, 06:48 PM
I think Henderson is a good LB. Our LB corp as a whole is pretty good.

And we got him signed for 2 years at roughly $2M/yr. Sounds like a pretty good signing.

kevoncox
03-13-2013, 06:51 PM
And we got him signed for 2 years at roughly $2M/yr. Sounds like a pretty good signing.

Agreed.

VikesfaninWis
03-13-2013, 09:47 PM
You can pick out exceptions for every club (good and bad). Do you really think NE knew what they were getting when they drafted Brady? If they did, I guarantee you he would have been taken before the sixth round. Sometimes, you get lucky. Also, I think a big factor in a lot of these players' success is determined by which team drafts them, how they get coached and how they get used.

The one thing the winning franchises have over most of the others is long term consistency in ownership, management and coaching staff. Something we haven't had in a long time.

That's my point. Either the Vikings don't see what others see in players, or they just don't know how to bring players around. There had to be something on Brady that someone that knew what they were looking for picked up on. You don't go in the 6th round and become a instant superstar, there was the makings there, its just that someone knew what they were looking for. The Vikings for whatever reason just aren't capable of getting that franchise QB that will be consistently good for a decade or more, its just not in their DNA.

singersp
03-13-2013, 09:53 PM
Let's see, we have no WR's, a mediocre QB, 1 solid DB (Smith), 1 very good LB (Greenway) a DL that is going south based off of stats against the run and pass (which this could very well be the last year of Allen, Robison, and Williams on this team)

I guess for me, the immediate future is not looking the brightest. What are your thoughts, I would love to hear them.

My thoughts in a lot of ways are the same as yours. We keep trying to rebuild, but as we add them very slowly, other blocks are being removed. Too much focus was put on resigning our own mediocre to average players the day FA opened that it gave Spielman little time to focus on signing anyone outside the organization. Many of those should have already been in place.

I think Spielman dreams of building a SB team with a boat load of players under rookie contracts, FA that work for $1 mil a year with 2 or 3 top level players that are paid prime salaries.

It's just not going to happen on his watch the way he's going about it. Yep we had some starters added via the draft last year, but I'm not banking on it every year, It's essentially the same scouting team we've had for several years, only now via FA, Spielman keeps bringing in mediocre players at wholesale prices hoping to find diamonds in the rough.

VikesfaninWis
03-13-2013, 09:56 PM
My thoughts in a lot of ways are the same as yours. We keep trying to rebuild, but as we add them very slowly, other blocks are being removed. Too much focus was put on resigning our own mediocre to average players the day FA opened that it gave Spielman little time to focus on signing anyone outside the organization. Many of those should have already been in place.

I think Spielman dreams of building a SB team with a boat load of players under rookie contracts, FA that work for $1 mil a year with 2 or 3 top level players that are paid prime salaries.

It's just not going to happen on his watch the way he's going about it. Yep we had some starters added via the draft last year, but I'm not banking on it every year, It's essentially the same scouting team we've had for several years, only now via FA, Spielman keeps bringing in mediocre players at wholesale prices hoping to find diamonds in the rough.

I agree. By the time he gets enough draft picks to get us over the hump, the ones before them will be moving on or retiring. Its going to be a losing battle if he only tries to build the team through the draft. You have to have that balance of good free agents and the draft. However he will sign second rate free agents because of price, if he signs any at all. He is an idiot.

Purple Floyd
03-13-2013, 11:08 PM
Let's see, we have no WR's, a mediocre QB, 1 solid DB (Smith), 1 very good LB (Greenway) a DL that is going south based off of stats against the run and pass (which this could very well be the last year of Allen, Robison, and Williams on this team)

I guess for me, the immediate future is not looking the brightest. What are your thoughts, I would love to hear them.

My thoughts in a lot of ways are the same as yours. We keep trying to rebuild, but as we add them very slowly, other blocks are being removed. Too much focus was put on resigning our own mediocre to average players the day FA opened that it gave Spielman little time to focus on signing anyone outside the organization. Many of those should have already been in place.

I think Spielman dreams of building a SB team with a boat load of players under rookie contracts, FA that work for $1 mil a year with 2 or 3 top level players that are paid prime salaries.

It's just not going to happen on his watch the way he's going about it. Yep we had some starters added via the draft last year, but I'm not banking on it every year, It's essentially the same scouting team we've had for several years, only now via FA, Spielman keeps bringing in mediocre players at wholesale prices hoping to find diamonds in the rough.good lord, were you not sick and tired of seeing the Vikings scraping the scrap heap of washed up QBs who were on their last leg and giving them one more shot of glory? Or the other marginal players like bobby wade and shank that they overpaid for in FA and didn't make all star status?

Hell you still bitch about Carlson and the contract he got yet when spielman doesn't go out and overspend this year.

I don't like all of the moves he has made but I am certainly glad they are trying a new approach and bringing in new, young talent and not dumpster diving for guys who should just take up golf instead.

singersp
03-14-2013, 07:42 AM
good lord, were you not sick and tired of seeing the Vikings scraping the scrap heap of washed up QBs who were on their last leg and giving them one more shot of glory? Or the other marginal players like bobby wade and shank that they overpaid for in FA and didn't make all star status?

Hell you still bitch about Carlson and the contract he got yet when spielman doesn't go out and overspend this year.

I don't like all of the moves he has made but I am certainly glad they are trying a new approach and bringing in new, young talent and not dumpster diving for guys who should just take up golf instead.

There's a huge difference between spending money on talented players & overspending on marginal players. There's also going to extreme the other way & signing mediocre players in the name of "will work for cheap".

Here's Spielman's last years FA signing from outside of our team. Sure they are younger, but how many are above marginal?

RB Joe Banyard
FB Jerome Felton
WR Jerome Simpson
WR Chris Summers
TE Lamark Brown
TE John Carlson
TE Chase Ford
OT Troy Kropog
OT Geoffrey Schwartz
LB Marvin Mitchell

BTW, Spielman was VP of players when they brought in Favre (what was your opinion on that) & is now trying to get Urlacher. That doesn't scream youth movement to me.

Purple Floyd
03-14-2013, 08:23 AM
On Brett, I would rather have had them cut Jackson his second year and focus on getting a younger starter but that didn't happen. I did not want him but it was a better option than Jackson.

I am also not sold in ponder and hope behind the scenes and away from the press they are looking for other options that are young, not ready to retire.