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singersp
02-25-2013, 07:11 AM
Let's be clear: Any new Vikings QB is a backup Vikings QB

Let's be clear: Any new Vikings QB is a backup Vikings QB | StarTribune.com (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/192923211.html)

Reignman
02-27-2013, 03:29 AM
Frazier continues to laud the drive and equanimity Ponder showed in aiding the Vikings' four-game winning streak to end the season and told the 25-year-old quarterback to bottle that progress as he heads into the offseason.Great, we have a QB better known for his equanimity than his skill set. I wonder how many Lombardi's his equanimity will lead us to. And when your only role is to not turn the ball over and hand it off to AD, you can hardly call that "aiding". Holy cow! Did you see that hand off! That was a pro bowl caliber hand off right there.


Vikings got a glimpse at just how shaky things can become when backup Joe Webb proved wildly inaccurate and too easily flustered on his way to an 11-for-30, 180-yard, one-touchdown, one-interception night.As awful as Webb looked in that playoff game, it was statistically similar to 3 of Ponder's final 4 games. You know, the 4 games that everyone likes to point to as proof of Ponder's improvement. The games where he had a grand total of 91, 131, 174, and 234 yards passing. Yeah, I guess when you set the bar so low, that would look like improvement.

singersp
02-27-2013, 06:59 AM
As awful as Webb looked in that playoff game, it was statistically similar to 3 of Ponder's final 4 games. You know, the 4 games that everyone likes to point to as proof of Ponder's improvement. The games where he had a grand total of 91, 131, 174, and 234 yards passing. Yeah, I guess when you set the bar so low, that would look like improvement.

In the first 3 of the last 4 games, Ponder threw for a grand total of 397 yards & 1 TD in those 3 games combined.

Last year 3 of the 5 starting rookie QB's did almost that total or better than that in 1 single game.

NodakPaul
02-27-2013, 09:29 AM
As awful as Webb looked in that playoff game, it was statistically similar to 3 of Ponder's final 4 games. You know, the 4 games that everyone likes to point to as proof of Ponder's improvement. The games where he had a grand total of 91, 131, 174, and 234 yards passing. Yeah, I guess when you set the bar so low, that would look like improvement.

The games might be statistically similar, but that is where the similarity ends. Webb had -4 passing yards to end the first half. All (literally) of his passing yards came in garbage time. IN fact Webb didn't even get positive passing yardage until well into the third quarter when we were already down 24-3.

You can complain about Ponder all you want - he isn't high on my list of favorites right now either. But to even pretend that at any point in 2012 he played as poorly as Webb did in that playoff game is off the mark. Webb put in the single worst performance I have ever seen by a quarterback in a NFL game.

gregair13
02-27-2013, 12:59 PM
Trade for Colt McCoy

jargomcfargo
02-27-2013, 01:23 PM
This is why Frazier did not get his extension. Frazier will go down with the ship if Ponder fails.
Spielman should go right along with him if that should occur but probably wouldn't.
I hope Ponder gets his game in order. He will have to overcome the pedestrian receiver corps Spielman provides as well as the inexplicable tendency of Musgrave to move away from things that have been working once he gets to the red zone.

MulletMullitia
02-27-2013, 01:50 PM
I went to the combine this year for the QB day. Saw them all throw in person. Even talked to Bill Musgrave (who promised me that things will get better next year)! I think we should take a flyer on Landry Jones. Definitely a questionable decision maker. But he was one of only 3 guys that could make NFL throws. He can make every NFL throw in the book. Tons of velocity and height on his passes. Not slinging bullets like most college guys trying to cover up a weak arm. Glennon was by far the most overrated. Also really liked what I saw from Tyler Bray.

Purple Floyd
02-27-2013, 08:42 PM
Also really liked what I saw from Tyler Bray.

I love me some Skyler Grey:hump::rofl:

singersp
02-28-2013, 07:28 AM
[QUOTE=NodakPaul;1136511Webb put in the single worst performance I have ever seen by a quarterback in a NFL game.[/QUOTE]

You're too young to remember Gary Cuozzo against the Lions in 1971.

Purple Floyd
03-06-2013, 11:56 AM
I would like to see the team use a late round pick on Peter Lalich. May bomb out but just maybe....

singersp
03-07-2013, 07:49 AM
Vikings expected to make quick strike for a quarterback

Vikings expected to make quick strike for a quarterback | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/06/vikings-expected-to-make-quick-strike-for-a-quarterback/)

singersp
03-07-2013, 07:55 AM
Vikings expected to make quick strike for a quarterback

Vikings expected to make quick strike for a quarterback | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/06/vikings-expected-to-make-quick-strike-for-a-quarterback/)


the Vikings want to make sure whoever comes in knows Ponder’s the guy.

“That would be the key,” Vikings coach Leslie Frazier said. “If the guy comes in and has the mindset that ‘I’m going to create a problem in the locker room’ because he feels he should be the starter, that would not be a good fit.

In other words, the Vikings intend to sign a QB much worse than Ponder to avoid any QB controversy.

Perhaps Spielman plans to get A.J. Feeley back on his roster.

Purple Floyd
03-07-2013, 08:07 AM
In other words, the Vikings intend to sign a QB much worse than Ponder to avoid any QB controversy.

Perhaps Spielman plans to get A.J. Feeley back on his roster.


That philosophy worked so well for the team when they were trying to hide Jackson's problems, why wouldn't it be just as successful with Ponder? Give him 5 years before you decide whether he is going to be a good QB.

jargomcfargo
03-07-2013, 10:56 AM
In other words, the Vikings intend to sign a QB much worse than Ponder to avoid any QB controversy.

Perhaps Spielman plans to get A.J. Feeley back on his roster.

I've never understood why they constantly look to upgrade at every position except QB.
If the QB's confidence is so fragile he can't handle the pressure of competition, how will he handle the pressure of playing in the big game ?

Are we coddling a QB who may be a back up, at best ?

With out real competition it seems a lot of time is invested, and wasted, if you miss on a QB.

AngloVike
03-07-2013, 11:31 AM
I've never understood why they constantly look to upgrade at every position except QB.
If the QB's confidence is so fragile he can't handle the pressure of competition, how will he handle the pressure of playing in the big game ?

Are we coddling a QB who may be a back up, at best ?

With out real competition it seems a lot of time is invested, and wasted, if you miss on a QB.

then again from my understanding of this years draft class is that there is not any special talent at QB coming out from there. That then means any potential upgrades via FA/trade will now have a higher price, so in a way we may be best sticking with what we know for the upcoming season - least in terms of the starter. As for the backup being much worse than Ponder then we're currently set at that position with Webb.

kevoncox
03-07-2013, 12:20 PM
Great, we have a QB better known for his equanimity than his skill set. I wonder how many Lombardi's his equanimity will lead us to. And when your only role is to not turn the ball over and hand it off to AD, you can hardly call that "aiding". Holy cow! Did you see that hand off! That was a pro bowl caliber hand off right there.

As awful as Webb looked in that playoff game, it was statistically similar to 3 of Ponder's final 4 games. You know, the 4 games that everyone likes to point to as proof of Ponder's improvement. The games where he had a grand total of 91, 131, 174, and 234 yards passing. Yeah, I guess when you set the bar so low, that would look like improvement.

:rofl:

singersp
03-08-2013, 07:39 AM
That philosophy worked so well for the team when they were trying to hide Jackson's problems, why wouldn't it be just as successful with Ponder? Give him 5 years before you decide whether he is going to be a good QB.

Yeah, they really tried to hide it by signing Favre.

BTW, it's not about how many years they had him. It's about how many starts he's had. See Aaron Rodgers with 6 wins in his 1st 4 years.

Jackson had 20 starts as a Viking. After 19 starts they signed Favre.

Ponder has already had 26 starts & they are still trying to not have anyone signed who could challenge him. I wonder if Jim Harbaugh regrets not following that philosophy..... Probably not.