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singersp
01-20-2013, 07:49 AM
Erin Henderson unlikely to return to Vikings

NFL Free agency 2013: Erin Henderson unlikely to return to Vikings - SBNation.com (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/1/19/3894572/erin-henderson-nfl-free-agency-vikings)

singersp
01-20-2013, 08:07 AM
Henderson was unhappy that the Vikings did not come to a long-term agreement with Henderson last offseason, and consequently, Henderson could take comparable money from another team this offseason.

Step to the back of the line of players in the last 5 years that "no longer want to play for the Vikings" for one reason or another.

NordicNed
01-20-2013, 08:48 AM
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, thats what I say. He wouldn't be that hard to replace if you ask me....

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Purple Floyd
01-20-2013, 08:48 AM
Good. I would love to see him gone.

Purple Floyd
01-20-2013, 08:49 AM
Maybe he can get a job on kfan with PA

marshallvike
01-20-2013, 10:28 AM
Step to the back of the line of players in the last 5 years that "no longer want to play for the Vikings" for one reason or another.

Funny too that I can't remember any of them that proved to be worth the money they thought they were worth.

vikinggreg
01-20-2013, 11:15 AM
Funny too that I can't remember any of them that proved to be worth the money they thought they were worth.

His brother EJ, Chester Talyor and Ray Edwards were looking for a fourth to bowl with on Sundays

kevoncox
01-20-2013, 11:43 AM
Good thing we are building through the draft and have a guy ready to .....oh oh!

jargomcfargo
01-20-2013, 02:01 PM
No other teams wanted him in free agency last year. He should be grateful the Vikings signed him. He is definately playing in a position that needs an upgrade, say a mid to late round draft pick.

marshallvike
01-20-2013, 02:38 PM
His brother EJ, Chester Talyor and Ray Edwards were looking for a fourth to bowl with on Sundays

got a chuckle out of that one.

singersp
01-21-2013, 04:29 AM
Funny too that I can't remember any of them that proved to be worth the money they thought they were worth.

It wasn't always about money.

Matt Birk, Moss & Pat Williams come to mind. None of them wanted to play for our coach anymore. Now one of them is guaranteed a SB ring.

VKG4LFE
01-21-2013, 12:23 PM
I wouldn't lose any sleep if he didn't come back.

marshallvike
01-21-2013, 06:14 PM
It wasn't always about money.

Matt Birk, Moss & Pat Williams come to mind. None of them wanted to play for our coach anymore. Now one of them is guaranteed a SB ring.

Williams and Moss did not leave of their own accord. They were cut. Childress the genious.
I hated seeing Birk leave. Local boy succeeding on the home team. Doesn't get any better than that.

Henderson may be back with us again. I don't know if any team is going to give him the money he thinks he is worth. He may have to take what we offer him. If we offer him anything.

vikinggreg
01-21-2013, 09:52 PM
Williams and Moss did not leave of their own accord. They were cut. Childress the genious.
I hated seeing Birk leave. Local boy succeeding on the home team. Doesn't get any better than that.

Henderson may be back with us again. I don't know if any team is going to give him the money he thinks he is worth. He may have to take what we offer him. If we offer him anything.

Pat Williams ended up going the same route as EJ Henderson, his contract expired and didn't get a new one with anyone, however Leslie Frazier was interested in having him comeback


Coach Leslie Frazier reiterated Friday that he wants free agent NT Pat Williams back with the Vikings.
"I’d love to see him retire as a Viking," said Frazier. The Vikes may have had a different approach had they acquired a nose tackle prospect in the draft. Instead, it makes plenty of sense for Williams to return on a one-year deal.

LINK

(http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2304/pat-williams)
Williams has received no known interest on the open market other than from the Vikings. New England has been kicking the tires on just about every veteran free agent this offseason, so it's unclear if they have serious interest. According to ESPN's John Clayton, the Pats "might" bring Williams in for a visit this weekend. Tue, Aug 30, 2011 12:29:00 PM


Williams has also drawn interest from the Pats, but nothing has "intensified" there. Carolina could definitely use an early-down run-stopping specialist after losing Ron Edwards for the season. Thu, Sep 1, 2011 06:29:00 PM

singersp
01-22-2013, 06:34 AM
Williams and Moss did not leave of their own accord. They were cut. Childress the genious.
I hated seeing Birk leave. Local boy succeeding on the home team. Doesn't get any better than that.

Henderson may be back with us again. I don't know if any team is going to give him the money he thinks he is worth. He may have to take what we offer him. If we offer him anything.

Pat Williams was a FA, he wasn't cut. Moss left the team in New England & then was cut. But how they left I didn't state. Read what I said;


None of them wanted to play for our coach anymore.

Pat Williams stated he did not want to play for the Vikings. Moss didn't want to play for Childress & thought he was unfit to coach in the NFL.

singersp
01-22-2013, 06:43 AM
Pat Williams ended up going the same route as EJ Henderson, his contract expired and didn't get a new one with anyone, however Leslie Frazier was interested in having him comeback



LINK

(http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/2304/pat-williams)

Williams was a FA & Frazier did want him back, but Williams didn't want to play for the Vikings anymore & said he wouldn't be back long before FA ever started.

vikinggreg
01-22-2013, 09:22 AM
Williams was a FA & Frazier did want him back, but Williams didn't want to play for the Vikings anymore & said he wouldn't be back long before FA ever started.

He said that in March and in May he started talking to Frasier stating there was a 50/50 chance, but in the end the Vikings didn't get him back and the Panthers and Patriots interest was a glance and he went unsigned which leads me to think his price didn't match what teams were willing to pay.

singersp
01-23-2013, 07:02 AM
He said that in March and in May he started talking to Frasier stating there was a 50/50 chance, but in the end the Vikings didn't get him back and the Panthers and Patriots interest was a glance and he went unsigned which leads me to think his price didn't match what teams were willing to pay.

He wasn't all that happy here.


“Everything’s good. I am not coming back. Going to go finish elsewhere,” Williams texted. “Just don’t trust everybody over there no more. I feel if I got your back and you don’t got my back, trust (is) gone. I play hard all the time, even (when) things (weren’t) good all the time. I never quit on them, but I am always happy and blessed and I wish them the best.”

Marrdro
01-23-2013, 02:55 PM
Funny too that I can't remember any of them that proved to be worth the money they thought they were worth.

Bingo....Had the ole "Those that have a clue spreadsheet out a bit today. Top shelf my friend, top shelf indeed.

Marrdro
01-23-2013, 02:57 PM
Good thing we are building through the draft and have a guy ready to .....oh oh!
We probably would if we had consistency at the HC and GM for longer than old guys take to take a dump.

It does take time to not only come up with a long term roster staffing plan, but it also takes time to execute one of those things.

Marrdro
01-23-2013, 03:03 PM
For those that are remembering players....
Ross Homan | Ohio State, OLB : 2011 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65420&draftyear=2011&genpos=OLB)
(Bumped by UDFA Larry Dean)
Audie Cole | North Carolina State, ILB : 2012 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=69391&draftyear=2012&genpos=ILB)

Maybe the cat your all looking for is already on the roster? My guess Cole could be but I still look to the Vikes to pick a LB of some sort early the second day.

Purple Floyd
01-23-2013, 03:43 PM
Cole is too small. Pretty much ST or nothing. Maybe Canada.

Jarlvik
01-24-2013, 07:07 AM
Where did Pat play this year if he didn't want to play for us? I thought he retired. I also don't recall EJ making plays for anyone this year. They served us well in their prime. Erin may well join them. Ray Edwards, meh... We've got Robison & Griff.

singersp
01-24-2013, 07:16 AM
Bingo....Had the ole "Those that have a clue spreadsheet out a bit today. Top shelf my friend, top shelf indeed.

You really need to change the title of that spreadsheet from "Those that have a clue" to "Those that think like me".

The original title is misleading & sometimes a false statement. :)

tarkenton10
01-24-2013, 09:27 AM
Cole is too small. Pretty much ST or nothing. Maybe Canada.

Why is he too small? He is 6' 4'' and 240 lbs. Let's look at our starters, Brinkley is huge and should be just a two down backer. He is only 6' 1" but 252 lbs. then you have Greenway is 6' 2" and 242 lbs. and finally Henderson who is 6' 3" and 244. Let's look at Patrick Willis probably the best ILB in the game. He is 6' 1" and 240, so by your standards Patrick Willis should be in the Canadian Football league because he is too small. Afterall he is three inches shorter than Cole.

Greenway has 2 lbs and Henderson 4 lbs on him. They are both shorter than he is and he is taller than Willis and the same weight. I liked what I saw from Cole last preseason, he was very instinctive, something I can't say about Brinkley. I hope he gets a fighting chance to start this preseason and see what we have in him. I like Brinkley but like I said he needs to come off the field on third down. Let's see what Cole can do!!

Marrdro
01-24-2013, 11:56 AM
Cole is too small. Pretty much ST or nothing. Maybe Canada.
Since when is 6-4 250ish to small? Thats what he carried in college. Just because he dropped ten just to play ST's doesn't mean he can't put it back on and still play fast.

Jasper 6'1" 250ish
Greenway 6'2" 240ish

Marrdro
01-24-2013, 11:57 AM
You really need to change the title of that spreadsheet from "Those that have a clue" to "Those that think like me".

The original title is misleading & sometimes a false statement. :)
No, your on the "Those that think like me" spreadsheet. Neither one of us is on the other. :)

Marrdro
01-24-2013, 11:59 AM
Why is he too small? He is 6' 4'' and 240 lbs. Let's look at our starters, Brinkley is huge and should be just a two down backer. He is only 6' 1" but 252 lbs. then you have Greenway is 6' 2" and 242 lbs. and finally Henderson who is 6' 3" and 244. Let's look at Patrick Willis probably the best ILB in the game. He is 6' 1" and 240, so by your standards Patrick Willis should be in the Canadian Football league because he is too small. Afterall he is three inches shorter than Cole.

Greenway has 2 lbs and Henderson 4 lbs on him. They are both shorter than he is and he is taller than Willis and the same weight. I liked what I saw from Cole last preseason, he was very instinctive, something I can't say about Brinkley. I hope he gets a fighting chance to start this preseason and see what we have in him. I like Brinkley but like I said he needs to come off the field on third down. Let's see what Cole can do!!
I should have read this one first......I don't think many realize he dropped weight just to play ST's this year.

As to Jasper. I think he is a every down player. Lets not forget, he is still learning. Next year, he will have benefited from the reps he had this year and that will alone help him play faster.

tarkenton10
01-24-2013, 12:09 PM
I should have read this one first......I don't think many realize he dropped weight just to play ST's this year.

As to Jasper. I think he is a every down player. Lets not forget, he is still learning. Next year, he will have benefited from the reps he had this year and that will alone help him play faster.

I hope so becasue he still seems lost and slow in coverage. He is very stiff in the hips and has trouble running with TE on the seam pass. We shall see, I still would like an open competition at the mike pos. this summer. If he beats out Cole so be it but I would like to see what Cole brings to the table with the first team.

Marrdro
01-24-2013, 12:14 PM
I hope so becasue he still seems lost and slow in coverage. He is very stiff in the hips and has trouble running with TE on the seam pass. We shall see, I still would like an open competition at the mike pos. this summer. If he beats out Cole so be it but I would like to see what Cole brings to the table with the first team.
I watched him pretty closely this year. When he wasn't forced up "Mugging" the line and started the play at his normal depth he got back just fine.

When he was up on the line and had to get back, then yes, he couldn't make up those extra steps but there aren't many that can.

Another benifit to some improvement in the middle at DL will allow him and the other LB'rs to play a bit further off the line, thus shortening their drops into their zones, thus making it look like they are better in coverage.

Another thing, when they were mugging, we were caught with our shorts down alot. Teams just threw at us into those zones that would be vacant without a LB in them. I think the D-coord started to figure that out a bit but was still limited by his DL play when it came to using his LBrs.

Purple Floyd
01-24-2013, 01:38 PM
Since when is 6-4 250ish to small? Thats what he carried in college. Just because he dropped ten just to play ST's doesn't mean he can't put it back on and still play fast.

Jasper 6'1" 250ish
Greenway 6'2" 240ish

Because that is the positon I took and I am not changing it until he proves me wrong.:haha:

tarkenton10
01-24-2013, 02:01 PM
Because that is the positon I took and I am not changing it until he proves me wrong.:haha:

Didn't he prove you wrong just by being 6' 4" and 240ish?

tarkenton10
01-24-2013, 02:03 PM
I watched him pretty closely this year. When he wasn't forced up "Mugging" the line and started the play at his normal depth he got back just fine.

When he was up on the line and had to get back, then yes, he couldn't make up those extra steps but there aren't many that can.

Another benifit to some improvement in the middle at DL will allow him and the other LB'rs to play a bit further off the line, thus shortening their drops into their zones, thus making it look like they are better in coverage.

Another thing, when they were mugging, we were caught with our shorts down alot. Teams just threw at us into those zones that would be vacant without a LB in them. I think the D-coord started to figure that out a bit but was still limited by his DL play when it came to using his LBrs.

You don't want to see what Cole can do at the Mike spot then?

i_bleed_purple
01-24-2013, 02:12 PM
You don't want to see what Cole can do at the Mike spot then?

Not if he's our best option, no.

tarkenton10
01-24-2013, 02:14 PM
Not if he's our best option, no.

how do you know if he is the best option until you give him the opportunity to sjow what he can do. He was one of the best LBs in preseason last year.

i_bleed_purple
01-24-2013, 05:34 PM
how do you know if he is the best option until you give him the opportunity to sjow what he can do. He was one of the best LBs in preseason last year.

Whoopidy doo. Jackson was our best QB in preseason too.

A good preseason against third strings in the fourth quarters of games does not make you a good player. There's a reason he's ridden the pine all season. If he's such a great hidden talent, you'd think he would have made some plays. SHown the coaches he deserves to be out there. Linebackers get rotated fairly regularly, Cole was only activated for 5 games, has no statistical impact in the NFL whatsoever.

I'm all for giving him a chance, but we better have a backup plan.

Purple Floyd
01-24-2013, 06:27 PM
Didn't he prove you wrong just by being 6' 4" and 240ish?
Now stop that.

Purple Floyd
01-24-2013, 06:33 PM
Didn't he prove you wrong just by being 6' 4" and 240ish?
Honestly I meant to type slow instead of small but I will stick to what I said lol.

In all honesty I really like him.

Jarlvik
01-25-2013, 07:13 AM
We'll likely scrutinize Cole in the minicamps/OTA's. I really think there's an opportunity for him to force the HO to consider him as a legitimate contender for Erin's spot. He appears to have "playmaker" ability. I don't sweat his size at all.

tarkenton10
01-25-2013, 09:23 AM
Whoopidy doo. Jackson was our best QB in preseason too.

A good preseason against third strings in the fourth quarters of games does not make you a good player. There's a reason he's ridden the pine all season. If he's such a great hidden talent, you'd think he would have made some plays. SHown the coaches he deserves to be out there. Linebackers get rotated fairly regularly, Cole was only activated for 5 games, has no statistical impact in the NFL whatsoever.

I'm all for giving him a chance, but we better have a backup plan.

That is why I want to see what he can do with the first team this preseason. What part of that offends you? Are you afraid to see if he has the talent to play in the league? I would rather see what he has with the first team and go from there. If he can't play why waste our time with him, cut him and draft someone who can play LB.

i_bleed_purple
01-25-2013, 01:50 PM
That is why I want to see what he can do with the first team this preseason. What part of that offends you? Are you afraid to see if he has the talent to play in the league? I would rather see what he has with the first team and go from there. If he can't play why waste our time with him, cut him and draft someone who can play LB.


Like I said, I'm all for giving him first team reps in practice/preseason to see how he does. But the fact remains, he's a late round pick who did literally nothing last season. Has no game experience, has not taken a meaningful snap since December over a year ago. We can't go into the season hoping he'll be a stud. We need a contingency plan. Draft somebody high, sign a FA, something. Even if Cole is a stud right away, we need a backup anyway. Get a starter and let Cole compete for the job, but don't assume Cole is the guy.

If Cole didn't have those pick-sixes in that one game, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Remember a few years ago when everyone thought Sherels would be the next great thing since he had one good play in preseason? He's just straight up awful. Every year there's a guy like this. Jason Carter ring any bells?

The coaches see Cole every day at practice. They evidently don't think it's worth giving him game reps.