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singersp
01-08-2013, 07:27 AM
This is for those fans calling Ponder a pussy or wimp....

Christian Ponder lets his bruised right arm do the talking

Minnesota Vikings: Christian Ponder lets his bruised right arm do the talking - TwinCities.com (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_22326456/minnesota-vikings-christian-ponder-lets-his-bruised-right)

singersp
01-08-2013, 07:28 AM
Here's the pic I found yesterday...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/singersp82759/ponder-full-size_zpsfad911d2.jpg

Marrdro
01-08-2013, 12:24 PM
Ouch. Anyone catch Paul Allen on the NFL channel last night. From his description, it was much worse by the end of the game and he couldn't even bend it the next day.

Back when I used to fight with mid-evil weapons I didn't wear my horseman's leg armor for a practice. Some shit head figured it out and kept whacking me just above my knee which resulted in a "Deep Contusion" like young Ponder has.

Was on crutches for 2 weeks.

Purple Floyd
01-09-2013, 07:16 PM
It's just a flesh wound. I've had worse..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm6IA_sZ1lw

Reignman
01-09-2013, 11:04 PM
Doesn't look that bad to me. Did you see Favre's ribs and ankle after the Saints game in '09? And lets not forget, this wasn't just some meaningless regular season game. This was his first playoff game, vs our biggest rival, in Lambeau. There is no tomorrow kind of game. I've just never heard of a guy missing such a big game because of bruising or because he was too sore. That's how you get labeled a pussy. Besides don't they usually give guys a pain killing injection for things like that? Like I've said before, he could have at least suited up and tried, and had he come out grimacing after a few bad throws on the opening drive, nobody would be questioning his toughness today.

VKG4LFE
01-09-2013, 11:36 PM
Ponder=soft, I agree reign take a pain killing injection and get your ass on the field for the biggest game of your career thus far.

Ranger
01-09-2013, 11:52 PM
Ponder=soft, I agree reign take a pain killing injection and get your ass on the field for the biggest game of your career thus far.

Have you guys never been injured? I've had similar bruises under a variety of reasons. Leg kicks in muay thai and impact from jumping, and the swelling can get so bad that you can't bend or flex your joint. I'm sure he could have managed the pain, but that wasn't the issue. The problem was that he didn't have full range of motion or speed on his arm, which would have prevented him from throwing for more than 10-15 yards, and those tosses would have had no velocity.

Calling him a "pussy" is the ultimate in keyboard warrior posturing.

Purple Floyd
01-10-2013, 08:00 AM
RG3 played with torn knee ligaments on a crappy field.

Marrdro
01-10-2013, 08:26 AM
Ponder=soft, I agree reign take a pain killing injection and get your ass on the field for the biggest game of your career thus far.

Soft, Pain Killer/Injection? Obviously you've never had an injury like that. I have on my knee/leg. Its nothing like a sprain or something like that where you can deaden it a bit. Even if you can get range of motion back (which is the issue not the pain), to kill the pain you basically make the limb useless.

Marrdro
01-10-2013, 08:27 AM
Have you guys never been injured? I've had similar bruises under a variety of reasons. Leg kicks in muay thai and impact from jumping, and the swelling can get so bad that you can't bend or flex your joint. I'm sure he could have managed the pain, but that wasn't the issue. The problem was that he didn't have full range of motion or speed on his arm, which would have prevented him from throwing for more than 10-15 yards, and those tosses would have had no velocity.

Calling him a "pussy" is the ultimate in keyboard warrior posturing.

Exactly, it isn't the pain. Its the fact you can't use your limb for goodness sakes.

Ranger
01-10-2013, 08:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0XZBFVFAS8

Marrdro
01-10-2013, 08:30 AM
Doesn't look that bad to me. Did you see Favre's ribs and ankle after the Saints game in '09? And lets not forget, this wasn't just some meaningless regular season game. This was his first playoff game, vs our biggest rival, in Lambeau. There is no tomorrow kind of game. I've just never heard of a guy missing such a big game because of bruising or because he was too sore. That's how you get labeled a pussy. Besides don't they usually give guys a pain killing injection for things like that? Like I've said before, he could have at least suited up and tried, and had he come out grimacing after a few bad throws on the opening drive, nobody would be questioning his toughness today.

You do realize that most of the bruising you are seeing is not the injury. What your seeing is the bruising spread to the outer extremity of the arm. The real damage is down between the bone and the muscle.

Trying to compare it to what the Noodle had is kindof silly (for lack of a better word).

Were is Doc Fargo when you need him?

Ranger
01-10-2013, 08:34 AM
Summary: Faber ate a ton of leg kicks which cost him the fight. He had to go to the hospital to make sure that there wasn't issues with the swelling cutting off circulation to the rest of his limb, which could be problematic, to say the least.

If you look for pictures, it's essential what Ponder had, just on his leg instead of his arm. Now, Ponder had more time between injury and the picture, and it still looks bad, so you have to imagine how terrible it must have been right after the injury. An injury which occured fairly early in the game, and which Ponder played through.

I'm sure that if he had been able to throw the ball, he would have, but it's no good having a quarterback who can't move his throwing arm. If he had started and played (and he would have been terrible beyond belief), everybody would be blasting him for being too self-centered to sit for the benefit of the team.

Marrdro
01-10-2013, 08:38 AM
Summary: Faber ate a ton of leg kicks which cost him the fight. He had to go to the hospital to make sure that there wasn't issues with the swelling cutting off circulation to the rest of his limb, which could be problematic, to say the least.

If you look for pictures, it's essential what Ponder had, just on his leg instead of his arm. Now, Ponder had more time between injury and the picture, and it still looks bad, so you have to imagine how terrible it must have been right after the injury. An injury which occured fairly early in the game, and which Ponder played through.

I'm sure that if he had been able to throw the ball, he would have, but it's no good having a quarterback who can't move his throwing arm. If he had started and played (and he would have been terrible beyond belief), everybody would be blasting him for being too self-centered to sit for the benefit of the team.
Paul Allen said that he saw it right after the game and again the next day and Ponder basically couldn't bend his arm. Paul went on to say that he was amazed he made it through the game.

Find me an injection for that and I'll call Ponder a Pussy.

vikinggreg
01-10-2013, 09:33 AM
Didn't Joe montana miss 2 seasons with a triceps tendon at his elbow injury to his throwing arm

I had a 1 cm tear of this tendon myself and lost up to 80% for the movement my elbow due to the swelling for the first 3 days, forearm looked like it belong to popeye with the bruise up the entire tricep and that was from a simple hyperextension. It also effected my grip strength (well there was none) and just simple had movements, had big issues writing for a week. I had problems throwing a baseball 6 months later.

Ranger
01-10-2013, 09:52 AM
Didn't Joe montana miss 2 seasons with a triceps tendon at his elbow injury to his throwing arm

I had a 1 cm tear of this tendon myself and lost up to 80% for the movement my elbow due to the swelling for the first 3 days, forearm looked like it belong to popeye with the bruise up the entire tricep and that was from a simple hyperextension. It also effected my grip strength (well there was none) and just simple had movements, had big issues writing for a week. I had problems throwing a baseball 6 months later.

Hm. Sounds like someone is a soft pussy.

NodakPaul
01-10-2013, 09:55 AM
Hm. Sounds like someone is a soft pussy.

lol

vikinggreg
01-10-2013, 10:35 AM
Hm. Sounds like someone is a soft pussy.

:(

oh yeah

:think:

well probably

:p

Ranger
01-10-2013, 10:42 AM
:(

oh yeah

:think:

well probably

:p

haha, well done!

jargomcfargo
01-10-2013, 12:26 PM
You do realize that most of the bruising you are seeing is not the injury. What your seeing is the bruising spread to the outer extremity of the arm. The real damage is down between the bone and the muscle.

Trying to compare it to what the Noodle had is kindof silly (for lack of a better word).

Were is Doc Fargo when you need him?

I explained the injury, including how a shot of pain killer would make the arm go numb , and as you said, make it useless, in another thread.

Your answers in this thread were on point and very good.

Some people aren't going to accept any explaination because they dont like Ponder, I presume.

BTW Doc Fargo is still active at PP.O under a different name !

marshallvike
01-10-2013, 01:00 PM
Didn't Joe montana miss 2 seasons with a triceps tendon at his elbow injury to his throwing arm

I had a 1 cm tear of this tendon myself and lost up to 80% for the movement my elbow due to the swelling for the first 3 days, forearm looked like it belong to popeye with the bruise up the entire tricep and that was from a simple hyperextension. It also effected my grip strength (well there was none) and just simple had movements, had big issues writing for a week. I had problems throwing a baseball 6 months later.

On a positive note, your shower time was cut in half and the conditioner lasted twice as long.:rofl:

MulletMullitia
01-10-2013, 01:19 PM
My issue isn't his pain tolerance. It's the fact that being injury prone is a total liability. Especially without a competent back-up. We need at least one new QB on this roster. Ponder has one more year to prove to me that we don't need two!

Marrdro
01-10-2013, 01:43 PM
My issue isn't his pain tolerance. It's the fact that being injury prone is a total liability. Especially without a competent back-up. We need at least one new QB on this roster. Ponder has one more year to prove to me that we don't need two!

He made it through the whole regular season without getting hurt and it isn't like he was left "Clean" the whole season. Until the line gelled and AD came around, he took his licks. Not sure if I'm labeling him injury prone anymore.

Marrdro
01-10-2013, 01:44 PM
I explained the injury, including how a shot of pain killer would make the arm go numb , and as you said, make it useless, in another thread.

Your answers in this thread were on point and very good.

Some people aren't going to accept any explaination because they dont like Ponder, I presume.

BTW Doc Fargo is still active at PP.O under a different name !

Thanks Old friend. I'm no Doc Fargo but I have had the same injury only on my knee (upper leg).

Good to know the old Codger is around. If you don't mind, PM me his new handle. I will keep it quiet. :)

tastywaves
01-10-2013, 04:33 PM
Thanks Old friend. I'm no Doc Fargo but I have had the same injury only on my knee (upper leg).

Good to know the old Codger is around. If you don't mind, PM me his new handle. I will keep it quiet. :)

I have a guess.

Purple Floyd
01-10-2013, 08:35 PM
BTW Doc Fargo is still active at PP.O under a different name !
Say what?

Do tell.

jargomcfargo
01-10-2013, 10:37 PM
Say what?

Do tell.

Called himself Uffda in the old days ?

VKG4LFE
01-10-2013, 10:58 PM
My problem is that the top quarterbacks in this league past and present play with that injury. Are you going to try and tell me that Gayrod, Brees, Brady, either Manning, Favre, Elway, etc etc etc miss making that start? You would have to cut their arm off to not play in that game. It doesn't really matter too much now. We are stuck with him next year, hopefully he can keep improving and we get some downfield weapons for him and he can actually make the throws. I hope he proves me wrong and I have to eat crow, I'm sorry I just don't have a whole lot of faith in him.

Purple Floyd
01-10-2013, 11:35 PM
Say what?

Do tell.

Called himself Uffda in the old days ?

You sunnuva........

Reignman
01-11-2013, 12:09 AM
You do realize that most of the bruising you are seeing is not the injury. What your seeing is the bruising spread to the outer extremity of the arm. The real damage is down between the bone and the muscle.

Trying to compare it to what the Noodle had is kindof silly (for lack of a better word).

Were is Doc Fargo when you need him?Apparently we don't need Doc Fargo because now we have Doc Marrdro xD.


My problem is that the top quarterbacks in this league past and present play with that injury. Are you going to try and tell me that Gayrod, Brees, Brady, either Manning, Favre, Elway, etc etc etc miss making that start? You would have to cut their arm off to not play in that game. It doesn't really matter too much now. We are stuck with him next year, hopefully he can keep improving and we get some downfield weapons for him and he can actually make the throws. I hope he proves me wrong and I have to eat crow, I'm sorry I just don't have a whole lot of faith in him.That pretty much sums up the sentiment I have. I don't hate Ponder and I want him to succeed just as much as anyone else around here. I'll happily eat my crow if he pans out too, but I just don't see it. I was happy when we drafted him thinking maybe we finally found our very own franchise guy, and I was pulling for him early and often, but after 26 starts, that happiness has slowly turned into disappointment.

And whether I'm a keyboard warrior or not is irrelevant because I'm comparing Ponder to his peers. I've seen guys suck it up and play through much worse injuries in big games. All I expected was for him to give it a go. If he had come out early nobody would be questioning his toughness right now. That's the only point I was trying to make. Now we just have one more concern.

Maybe he was too injured to play and maybe that first drive would have been ugly, but just imagine if he had played and won with that injury, that my friends is how legends are made. But we'll never know because he never even tried.

VKG4LFE
01-11-2013, 12:22 AM
Apparently we don't need Doc Fargo because now we have Doc Marrdro xD.

That pretty much sums up the sentiment I have. I don't hate Ponder and I want him to succeed just as much as anyone else around here. I'll happily eat my crow if he pans out too, but I just don't see it. I was happy when we drafted him thinking maybe we finally found our very own franchise guy, and I was pulling for him early and often, but after 26 starts, that happiness has slowly turned into disappointment.

And whether I'm a keyboard warrior or not is irrelevant because I'm comparing Ponder to his peers. I've seen guys suck it up and play through much worse injuries in big games. All I expected was for him to give it a go. If he had come out early nobody would be questioning his toughness right now. That's the only point I was trying to make. Now we just have one more concern.

Maybe he was too injured to play and maybe that first drive would have been ugly, but just imagine if he had played and won with that injury, that my friends is how legends are made. But we'll never know because he never even tried.

Exactly!

All I want is this team to put a consistent team on the field year in and year out. I'm not expecting to have horseshoes up our a$$es like the cheesedicks and get back to back HOFer QBs (even though it sure would be nice). But get a solid guy that sticks around for 6, 7 years and does some special things. Hell, maybe Ponder will be that guy, but from what I've seen I don't have too much faith that he is. PLEASE, Ponder make me eat crow within the next couple years, it would be a serving I'd gladly take!

Ranger
01-11-2013, 10:12 AM
Yes, quarterbacks have had worse injuries than Ponder and have played. However, the location of the injury matters.

Rivers played on a torn ACL in the playoffs, and was respectable. He showed a lot of guts in a losing effort.

However, he doesn't throw the football with his knee.

If a quarterback can barely bend his throwing arm, he's a massive liability. Ponder needed help getting dressed, that's how limited his arm's mobility was. I cannot understand why people don't get this.

Purple Floyd
01-11-2013, 11:55 AM
Brett played with a broken bone in his throwing hand

Ranger
01-11-2013, 01:35 PM
Brett played with a broken bone in his throwing hand

It takes a lot of toughness to play with a broken bone in your throwing hand. Which bone was it?

It'd still be easier to play with a fractured metacarpal than to play with an arm you can't bend.

Marrdro
01-11-2013, 01:39 PM
My problem is that the top quarterbacks in this league past and present play with that injury. Are you going to try and tell me that Gayrod, Brees, Brady, either Manning, Favre, Elway, etc etc etc miss making that start? You would have to cut their arm off to not play in that game. It doesn't really matter too much now. We are stuck with him next year, hopefully he can keep improving and we get some downfield weapons for him and he can actually make the throws. I hope he proves me wrong and I have to eat crow, I'm sorry I just don't have a whole lot of faith in him.

It isn't that he couldn't play with an injury, its that he had an injury that prevented him from playing. What is so hard to understand about the little fact that he couldn't even bend his arm and it had nothing to do with pain.

Heres an article I found interesting...

VikesCentric: You're questioning Ponder's toughness? | StarTribune.com (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/186493311.html)


o measure up to the Great Favre? (Oh, and not for nothing, but Favre did suffer a similar injury in 2008 with the Jets. He "sucked it up" and played through it, and the Jets lost four of their last five games as Favre threw two touchdown passes and nine interceptions in that stretch. Just sayin'.)


4. They could have shot him up with pain-killers and sent him out there. No, they couldn't have. I'm not sure why this point wasn't made more clearly in the postgame breakdowns, but the issue was never Ponder's pain tolerance. It was all about what his body was capable of doing on Saturday afternoon and evening. All the injections in the world wouldn't have reduced the swelling in his arm, which hampered his range of motion and prevented him from getting any power behind his throws. You can't fire an 18-yard sideline route to Jarius Wright when you can't raise your arm above your chin.


5. I would have gone to work with a bruised elbow. This one's my personal favorite. Yes, Internet Tough Guy (or Gal), I'm sure you would have shown up for your job at the law firm or factory or McDonald's with a similar injury. I would have too. Because most of us can figure out a way to do our jobs without having to raise our right arm above our shoulder. An NFL quarterback doesn't have that luxury. It's right there on the NFL quarterback application for employment: 1. Can you raise your throwing arm above your shoulder? If the answer to that question is "no," then you can't be an NFL quarterback. Even if you have a physically taxing job, you can probably make accommodations for a similar injury and still perform your duties at a slower pace. It should go without saying that the same does not apply for an NFL quarterback.
In the end, I'm guessing most of the Ponder-based angst stems from fans who are upset that the Vikings laid an egg in the playoffs and wanted somebody to be mad at. They needed to lash out because the thought of spending a week (or an entire offseason) alongside smug Packers fans after that loss is really hard to stomach. Maybe they were in the "play Joe Webb" camp all season and were embarrassed to be proven so wrong. Or they were upset with the Vikings' brain trust for having no legitimate backup quarterback to turn to when Ponder went down. So they found themselves a convenient scapegoat the pretty-boy No. 1 draft pick who earns millions of dollars, married the blonde bombshell sideline reporter, and showed just barely enough improvement in his second season (in the last four games of his second season, actually) to tease the Vikings into running him out there again in 2013.
But I can say this with complete confidence: if Ponder had "sucked it up" and tried to play through the injury, only to heave a dying quail on the first possession that Charles Woodson picked off and returned for a touchdown, these same Internet tough guys would have been screaming at Ponder for being selfish, for putting himself ahead of his team, for desperately trying to hang onto his job when everybody knows that Joe Webb gives the Vikings the best chance to win.

Ranger
01-11-2013, 01:53 PM
Number five is on the money.

Marrdro
01-11-2013, 02:06 PM
Number five is on the money.

I liked the reality bitch slap on the Noodles last for games playing hurt as well.

VKG4LFE
01-14-2013, 11:32 PM
It isn't that he couldn't play with an injury, its that he had an injury that prevented him from playing. What is so hard to understand about the little fact that he couldn't even bend his arm and it had nothing to do with pain.

Heres an article I found interesting...

VikesCentric: You're questioning Ponder's toughness? | StarTribune.com (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/186493311.html)


You can't fire an 18-yard sideline route to Jarius Wright when you can't raise your arm above your chin.

Can he make this throw when he can raise his arm above his chin???

NodakPaul
01-15-2013, 10:22 AM
You can't fire an 18-yard sideline route to Jarius Wright when you can't raise your arm above your chin.

Can he make this throw when he can raise his arm above his chin???

lol. Occasionally, although I wouldn't exactly call it "firing" the ball. More like "rainbowing" it...

VKG4LFE
01-15-2013, 10:32 AM
You can't fire an 18-yard sideline route to Jarius Wright when you can't raise your arm above your chin.

Can he make this throw when he can raise his arm above his chin???

lol. Occasionally, although I wouldn't exactly call it "firing" the ball. More like "rainbowing" it...

Haha yeah "rainbowing" seems like the appropriate term for an 18 yard ponder pass. We don' have our qb "tebowing" we have him "rainbowing"."