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singersp
08-27-2012, 07:33 AM
Vikings QB Ponder: 'We have a lot to work on'

Read more: Vikings QB Ponder: 'We have a lot to work on' - Times Union (http://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/Vikings-QB-Ponder-We-have-a-lot-to-work-on-3816549.php#ixzz24kH5XDMw)

singersp
08-27-2012, 07:40 AM
Ponder: 'We have a lot to work on'

No shit Sherlock!

But that's what you were supposed to be doing during your full offseason gamut of OTA's, minicamps, training camp, preseason practices & preseason games.

NodakPaul
08-27-2012, 09:21 AM
No shit Sherlock!

But that's what you were supposed to be doing during your full offseason gamut of OTA's, minicamps, training camp, preseason practices & preseason games.

I think they did a lot of work during the offseason. Doesn't mean that they are done yet.

I am very optimistic for this young team, but even I know that we are still looking at a 6-10 team (8-8 if we get lucky). Change doesn't happen over night, but we are getting better, and we will continue to get better.

I do feel that we have addressed some (but not all) of our serious needs. I think that our secondary, OL, and QB positions are all much better than they were last year. I think our WR corp is the worst remaining unit on our team, with the LBs not far behind. Our DT position has no depth.

Even with the people we have, we are still looking for that chemistry. Kalil is still making mistakes, Carlson hasn't taken part in any preseason game, Simpson is going to be missing for 3 weeks...

So yeah,*even though we have done a lot this offseason, we still have a lot of work to do.

MaxVike
08-27-2012, 09:21 AM
No shit Sherlock!

But that's what you were supposed to be doing during your full offseason gamut of OTA's, minicamps, training camp, preseason practices & preseason games.

Dude, your relentless criticisms, snide remarks, and overall hatred towards Ponder is really getting old. Can you please direct some of your attention to campaign against Obama?

ShowingMyHorns
08-27-2012, 10:39 AM
Dude, your relentless criticisms, snide remarks, and overall hatred towards Ponder is really getting old. Can you please direct some of your attention to campaign against Obama?

"like"

Minniman
08-28-2012, 03:02 AM
The only problem for the Vikings (No. 29 in APPro32) is that Ponder and many of the starters will not play in the exhibition finale at Houston on Thursday.
Why the heck not?

This is not Brett Favre or Big Ben. Play 'em!

singersp
08-28-2012, 06:57 AM
Dude, your relentless criticisms, snide remarks, and overall hatred towards Ponder is really getting old. Can you please direct some of your attention to campaign against Obama?

Dude, apparently, you haven't been reading all my posts. I don't hate Ponder & want him to succeed. Can't say the same about Obama.

Yep, I.m going to criticize Ponder or any other Vikings player for that matter rather than be a huge homer and believe everything is fine.

My comment above wasn't directed solely at Ponder, it was directed towards the team as a whole. Perhaps you missed the part of Ponder's quote where he said "WE".

The fact that he states that they still have a lot to work on, leads me to think they haven't accomplished a lot this offseason with a little over a week to go before the regular season.

singersp
08-28-2012, 07:02 AM
Dude, your relentless criticisms, snide remarks, and overall hatred towards Ponder is really getting old. Can you please direct some of your attention to campaign against Obama?

Dude, apparently, you haven't been reading all my posts. I don't hate Ponder & want him to succeed. Can't say the same about Obama.

Yep, I.m going to criticize Ponder or any other Vikings player for that matter rather than be a huge homer and believe everything is fine.

My comment above wasn't directed solely at Ponder, it was directed towards the team as a whole. Perhaps you missed the part of Ponder's quote where he said "WE".

The fact that he states that they still have a lot to work on, leads me to think they haven't accomplished a lot this offseason with a little over a week to go before the regular season.

When we start winning, the praise will come. As far as Ponder is concerned, he was supposed to be the most NFL ready QB in the draft last year, yet it looks as if others from his draft class & rookies from this years class appear to be passing him by.

MaxVike
08-28-2012, 07:23 AM
Dude, your relentless criticisms, snide remarks, and overall hatred towards Ponder is really getting old. Can you please direct some of your attention to campaign against Obama?

Dude, apparently, you haven't been reading all my posts. I don't hate Ponder & want him to succeed. Can't say the same about Obama.

Yep, I.m going to criticize Ponder or any other Vikings player for that matter rather than be a huge homer and believe everything is fine.

My comment above wasn't directed solely at Ponder, it was directed towards the team as a whole. Perhaps you missed the part of Ponder's quote where he said "WE".

The fact that he states that they still have a lot to work on, leads me to think they haven't accomplished a lot this offseason with a little over a week to go before the regular season.

When we start winning, the praise will come. As far as Ponder is concerned, he was supposed to be the most NFL ready QB in the draft last year, yet it looks as if others from his draft class & rookies from this years class appear to be passing him by.

I have read them and I didn't miss th "WE." I will rephrase, "your relentless criticisms, snide remarks, and overall negativity is getting old."

NodakPaul
08-28-2012, 10:31 AM
Dude, apparently, you haven't been reading all my posts. I don't hate Ponder & want him to succeed. Can't say the same about Obama.

Yep, I.m going to criticize Ponder or any other Vikings player for that matter rather than be a huge homer and believe everything is fine.

My comment above wasn't directed solely at Ponder, it was directed towards the team as a whole. Perhaps you missed the part of Ponder's quote where he said "WE".

The fact that he states that they still have a lot to work on, leads me to think they haven't accomplished a lot this offseason with a little over a week to go before the regular season.

When we start winning, the praise will come. As far as Ponder is concerned, he was supposed to be the most NFL ready QB in the draft last year, yet it looks as if others from his draft class & rookies from this years class appear to be passing him by.

I think your expectations for what this team was going to accomplish in the offseason were unrealistic. They did accomplish a lot in the offseason, and yes, there is still a long way to go.

And I don't buy the "When we start winning, the praise will come" line. We have had a couple of good years, including a trip to the NFC Championship game, and the complaining never really stopped...

kevoncox
08-28-2012, 11:38 AM
On topic..... Ponder is right...the team needs a make over like none other. The changes we have made are good but not good enough.

Purple Floyd
08-28-2012, 09:30 PM
I do like the notion that he is taking the responsibility for the play and acknowledging that he and the team have a long way to go. He May or may not be the long term solution but I like that he is owning up to what he has in front of him.

singersp
08-29-2012, 06:56 AM
I have read them and I didn't miss th "WE." I will rephrase, "your relentless criticisms, snide remarks, and overall negativity is getting old."

If you want to see relentless criticisms, snide remarks, and overall negativities that is getting old, visit any Tarvaris Jackson threads that have & are still ongoing over 1 year after he left.

But of course, you didn't ever say anything about that, nor all the negative criticisms against Webb.

I get that you are a big Ponder homer, but outside of the good showing he and the Vikings had two weeks ago & a few plays here and there, they don't look a lot better than they did last year.

singersp
08-29-2012, 07:08 AM
I think your expectations for what this team was going to accomplish in the offseason were unrealistic. They did accomplish a lot in the offseason, and yes, there is still a long way to go.

And I don't buy the "When we start winning, the praise will come" line. We have had a couple of good years, including a trip to the NFC Championship game, and the complaining never really stopped...

You best go back & revisit those years. I assume you're talking 2008 & 2009. Go look at all the negative threads 2008 & forward, then take a gander at who started them.

Yep, wasn't a big fan of Favre in 2009, he proved me wrong in 2009, which I admitted & he ended up playing in 2010 like I thought he would in 2009.

I complained about our OL for years. I'm not going to simply throw on a pair of purple shades & praise them for a job poorly done.

MaxVike
08-29-2012, 04:53 PM
I have read them and I didn't miss th "WE." I will rephrase, "your relentless criticisms, snide remarks, and overall negativity is getting old."

If you want to see relentless criticisms, snide remarks, and overall negativities that is getting old, visit any Tarvaris Jackson threads that have & are still ongoing over 1 year after he left.

But of course, you didn't ever say anything about that, nor all the negative criticisms against Webb.

I get that you are a big Ponder homer, but outside of the good showing he and the Vikings had two weeks ago & a few plays here and there, they don't look a lot better than they did last year.

No, I'm not going to the torturous TJack thread. No, I didn't say anything about Webb.

You will note in my rephrased comment, which I simplified so you might get the point, that it is solely directed at you and your approach on PP.O, which, I maintain, is getting old.

Skol Vikings...

Webby
08-30-2012, 02:06 AM
Build a truce boys, I guarantee you we will need as much positivity we can muster going forward this year. Dredging 3 year old threads is no fun and we all need to think positive during rebuilding which can take a few seasons. No reason to fixate on the worst entities of rebuilding.

PurpleTide
08-30-2012, 02:35 AM
Build a truce boys, I guarantee you we will need as much positivity we can muster going forward this year. Dredging 3 year old threads is no fun and we all need to think positive during rebuilding which can take a few seasons. No reason to fixate on the worst entities of rebuilding.

+1 Webby

MaxVike
08-30-2012, 07:42 AM
Build a truce boys, I guarantee you we will need as much positivity we can muster going forward this year. Dredging 3 year old threads is no fun and we all need to think positive during rebuilding which can take a few seasons. No reason to fixate on the worst entities of rebuilding.

Consider it done, apologies.

singersp
08-31-2012, 11:56 AM
Consider it done, apologies.

Apologies as well Max. I may come off negative at times, but I'm very passionate about my Vikings. I've been the recipient of relentless criticisms & snide remarks for the past 5 years now & it irks me to see certain people use the same reasons to defend certain players that I've used in the past, except only then, I was chastised for them as being weak excuses, but they seem to be quite valid reasons for them now.

I like Ponder & I also like Webb. I would love both to succeed, but only one can be given the chance to.

I'm a big proponent of giving a QB a chance to succeed. I don't believe 2 starts is enough chances & I don't think 10 starts is enough chances. Unless of course, they are basket cases.

I certainly don't say 2 starts without a full offseason working with the starting unit is more than enough time & a QB should be cut after that with one breath & then say that another QB needs 26 games with a full offseason working with the starting unit before they can make a judgement one way or the other. I'm not saying you do either, but there are those here that do.

I say play Ponder & play him all season. What I don't want to see is us losing our first two games & him get benched because of it & inserting #2 QB in there to finish the season. If they pull that shit again, I'll be voicing my displeasure. Play your starter all year, win or lose & see what you have at the end of the year.

As far as Walsh is concerned, I'm not sold on him yet. He missed another 40+ yarder last night again. That gives me reason to be concerned, it doesn't make me a hater. That's 3 of 5 he's missed so far at 40+. Two people here said 1 of those misses was because of a bad snap (Bill's game), but I didn't find anything on the web to confirm that. Only that he kicked himself later for missing it. It had the distance, but was wide. If we give him the benefit of the doubt on that one & throw it out, he's still only 2 of 4, having missed his last 2.

NodakPaul
08-31-2012, 08:30 PM
As far as Walsh is concerned, I'm not sold on him yet. He missed another 40+ yarder last night again. That gives me reason to be concerned, it doesn't make me a hater. That's 3 of 5 he's missed so far at 40+. Two people here said 1 of those misses was because of a bad snap (Bill's game), but I didn't find anything on the web to confirm that. Only that he kicked himself later for missing it. It had the distance, but was wide. If we give him the benefit of the dought on that one & throw it out, he's still only 2 of 4, having missed his last 2.

Walsh is concerning me too now. I still would rather have him than long well specifically for the kickoffs... But he needs to figure out his FGs. On KFAN they said that they identified a technique issue with him from his last year in college, and they have addressed it to some considerable success. But old habits apparently die hard, and he looks to be reverting a bit when the pressure is on. Here is to hoping that he can get it under contro
.

marstc09
08-31-2012, 08:45 PM
Walsh is concerning me too now. I still would rather have him than long well specifically for the kickoffs... But he needs to figure out his FGs. On KFAN they said that they identified a technique issue with him from his last year in college, and they have addressed it to some considerable success. But old habits apparently die hard, and he looks to be reverting a bit when the pressure is on. Here is to hoping that he can get it under contro
.

I knew you would come around. :haha:

NodakPaul
08-31-2012, 08:48 PM
Walsh is concerning me too now. I still would rather have him than long well specifically for the kickoffs... But he needs to figure out his FGs. On KFAN they said that they identified a technique issue with him from his last year in college, and they have addressed it to some considerable success. But old habits apparently die hard, and he looks to be reverting a bit when the pressure is on. Here is to hoping that he can get it under contro
.


I knew you would come around. :haha:

ITYS. :haha:

;)

MaxVike
08-31-2012, 08:54 PM
Apologies as well Max. I may come off negative at times, but I'm very passionate about my Vikings. I've been the recipient of relentless criticisms & snide remarks for the past 5 years now & it irks me to see certain people use the same reasons to defend certain players that I've used in the past, except only then, I was chastised for them as being weak excuses, but they seem to be quite valid reasons for them now.

I like Ponder & I also like Webb. I would love both to succeed, but only one can be given the chance to.

I'm a big proponent of giving a QB a chance to succeed. I don't believe 2 starts is enough chances & I don't think 10 starts is enough chances. Unless of course, they are basket cases.

I certainly don't say 2 starts without a full offseason working with the starting unit is more than enough time & a QB should be cut after that with one breath & then say that another QB needs 26 games with a full offseason working with the starting unit before they can make a judgement one way or the other. I'm not saying you do either, but there are those here that do.

I say play Ponder & play him all season. What I don't want to see is us losing our first two games & him get benched because of it & inserting #2 QB in there to finish the season. If they pull that shit again, I'll be voicing my displeasure. Play your starter all year, win or lose & see what you have at the end of the year.

As far as Walsh is concerned, I'm not sold on him yet. He missed another 40+ yarder last night again. That gives me reason to be concerned, it doesn't make me a hater. That's 3 of 5 he's missed so far at 40+. Two people here said 1 of those misses was because of a bad snap (Bill's game), but I didn't find anything on the web to confirm that. Only that he kicked himself later for missing it. It had the distance, but was wide. If we give him the benefit of the dought on that one & throw it out, he's still only 2 of 4, having missed his last 2.

alright bro...we be good. Re: Walsh...yeah, I'm a little concerned, but, as part of the full rebuilding mode, I'm onboard. I'm also onboard with your point to play Onward Christian Ponder all season...let's see what he's got. Ups and downs will be cavernous, but, coaches gotta try him on for size. My prediction is that he will play demonstrably better once Simpson plays for 3 games...whoa, that's a long time, but, that is where I'm at. This is gonna be a long year as it relates to wins and losses...sadly.

singersp
09-01-2012, 09:25 AM
alright bro...we be good. Re: Walsh...yeah, I'm a little concerned, but, as part of the full rebuilding mode, I'm onboard. I'm also onboard with your point to play Onward Christian Ponder all season...let's see what he's got. Ups and downs will be cavernous, but, coaches gotta try him on for size. My prediction is that he will play demonstrably better once Simpson plays for 3 games...whoa, that's a long time, but, that is where I'm at. This is gonna be a long year as it relates to wins and losses...sadly.

Hopefully they can fix Walsh's technique & it becomes a thing of the past, otherwise we'll be looking for a new kicker next year.

I predict Ponder will improve, but the players around him need to improve as well. Our OL still looks porous at times & we really need sure handed receivers. Simpson looks like he may be the real deal, but he's dropped at least one pass he easily should have caught. Aromashodu redeemed himself a bit Friday, but both he and Burton seem to drop just as many passes as they catch. Jenkins just doesn't impress me at all.