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Marrdro
08-08-2012, 12:10 PM
True Webb has had a couple memorable games as a relief pitcher, and he did have that one nice start against the Eagles, but he’s also had other games where he’s been dismal. When Webb plays well, it’s mostly coming in during the game when teams aren’t ready for his speed and strength. Give a team – the Bears for example – a chance to prepare for him? Joe Webb has mostly been a lousy QB.
So if you take Webb’s spotty record as a player into account, and add in the fact that he’s not been overly impressive in camp? Maybe we shouldn’t be so sure about Webb’s status on the roster. What if Bethel-Thompson continues having good practices and mixes in a couple solid preseason performances? And Webb keeps stinking it up? It’s not out of the question that Webb could be bumped down the depth chart.
And if Webb gets bumped down from #2, really, what would be the reason for keeping him on the roster at all? Rosenfels at least has the “calming influence and mentor” thing going for him. Yes, I know some people love the idea of Webb as a multi-position weapon a la Antwaan Randle El, but honestly, does anyone think that’s ever going to come to fruition? The Blazer package is dead and buried. Webb is either a QB or he’s nothing. The way things are going, it looks like Webb’s career is leaning toward nothing. At least according to Paul Allen.




Is McLeod Bethel-Thompson Pushing Joe Webb in Camp? Paul Allen Thinks So. - The Viking Age - A Minnesota Vikings Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more. (http://thevikingage.com/2012/08/08/is-mcleod-bethel-thompson-pushing-joe-webb-in-camp-paul-allen-thinks-so/)

Hmmmmm, maybe some of us weren't to far off when we Pondered if the staff was the right to devote all the primary reps to Ponder.:haha:

jargomcfargo
08-08-2012, 02:28 PM
I would not be surprised to see Webb get cut. The Vikings made their decision when they drafted Ponder.
When has there ever been a real QB competition ?
Most teams pay lip service to competition but realize it is usually counterproductive at the QB position.

MrFlix
08-08-2012, 02:57 PM
I think what he did last season was pretty damn good, I would hate to see him get cut. Obviously Ponder is the better QB but I think he has his use for the team. Maybe wildcat QB orso, ...


PS.: I can't remember what game it was last season but at some point Webb broke 3 tackels in a row with just a couple of seconds on the clock. It was pretty impresive even tho he didn't complete it, he showed me that he isn't done for.

HEY
08-08-2012, 07:10 PM
Is McLeod Bethel-Thompson Pushing Joe Webb in Camp? Paul Allen Thinks So. - The Viking Age - A Minnesota Vikings Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more. (http://thevikingage.com/2012/08/08/is-mcleod-bethel-thompson-pushing-joe-webb-in-camp-paul-allen-thinks-so/)
Wow! Did not see this coming.
I mean... I was interested in keeping McLeod Bethel-Thompson around as a project because I like his potential, but I never thought he would impress Paul Allen this much. Regardless, it's very nice to hear, except the part that Webb is not impressive of course.

If MBT (can I call him that?) has a good preseason game, I'm inclined to keep him and let Sage Rosenfels go (poor guy, I didn't like to see him the Vikings let him go last year). At least MBT is young and has potentials to be much better. Rosenfels is not.

MaxVike
08-08-2012, 08:35 PM
Cutting Webb would be a very sad thing to me. When the decision was made to go to Ponder, it should have been completed by moving Webb to WR. Just sayin'...

Webb can play in the NFL...and, will, IMO, albeit not at QB.

HEY
08-09-2012, 06:12 AM
If Bethel-Thompson stays on the roster, Sage Rosenfels will be the one who get cut, not Joe Webb. I'm 99 % certain of that.
I like Sage Rosenfels, but we have to think forward. I know the players don't want to say it, but we are rebuilding.

jmcdon00
08-09-2012, 11:56 AM
I think Sage would go before Webb, though I'm not at camp to see what's happening.
Sage is 34 years old and hasn't completed a pass since 2008, and has switched teams 4 times in 4 seasons. I really don't see any upside.
Webb is 25, going into a his 3rd NFL season with the Vikings.
Also Webb more closely matches Ponders skill set(quick feet and athletic), so more of the game plan could stay in place in the event Ponder goes out.

NodakPaul
08-09-2012, 02:38 PM
Where are the posters who maintain that Webb was clearly "the better football player is of the two" and he "outplayed Ponder last year". ;)

Just kidding around. :D

Regarding that story, this is the first I have heard about Webb having a "bad" camp as the article put it. Granted, I don't get to listen to PA as much while at work. I have heard him be pretty high on Bethel-Thompson though.

I agree with the others here - if anyone goes it will be Sage. Yes, he's the "veteran" presence, but I think that Webb makes for a better backup QB than Sage does - although I wouldn't want to see either one start any significant number of games.

NodakPaul
08-09-2012, 02:40 PM
This sums up what I have been saying about Webb for a while now:


When Webb plays well, it’s mostly coming in during the game when teams aren’t ready for his speed and strength. Give a team a chance to prepare for him? Joe Webb has mostly been a lousy QB.

Marrdro
08-10-2012, 08:16 PM
Regarding that story, this is the first I have heard about Webb having a "bad" camp as the article put it. Granted, I don't get to listen to PA as much while at work. I have heard him be pretty high on Bethel-Thompson though.

You should visit the Daily Norseman - For Minnesota Vikings Fans (http://www.dailynorseman.com/) and read their camp recaps. They do a good job and post a product that lists all the articles/vids/tweets etc that are out there. In them they actually track completions/attempts and Joe has been doing pretty bad.

jargomcfargo
08-11-2012, 01:08 PM
I know it's just pre-season, but last nights showing reinforces my belief that Webb may be cut at the end of training camp.
Can't be a QB in todays NFL if you can't pass.

Marrdro
08-11-2012, 06:24 PM
I know it's just pre-season, but last nights showing reinforces my belief that Webb may be cut at the end of training camp.
Can't be a QB in todays NFL if you can't pass.
I'm not sure.

I think they will keep three....Ponder, Webb and the long named kid. Sage gets sent packing.

Rationale, The only thing to keep Sage around for is if you think you have a shot at the playoffs.

In the end, we are still a young team with players to develop so we probably aren't going to be in the playoffs (can't believe I just typed that). 1 QB takes up just as much film time as 3. Develop all three and see what you have at the end of the season.

skum
08-12-2012, 12:24 AM
Im fine with Sage as #2, i think we should have Webb at #3, but in a hybrid role so he can also get playing time at other positions.. We save a roster spot that way..

Is MBT really gonna get any playing time this year?.. I think we could easily drop him and pick him up if we needed to later in the season or atleast a player similar to his level..

Is he still eligible for the practice squad?

PackSux!
08-12-2012, 07:53 AM
I hope they keep Thompson and drop either Sage or Webb. It would be great to see them find a spot for Webb but I am not sure where that would be.

I think that Thompson has some serious potential, just my opinion.

singersp
08-12-2012, 10:32 AM
I know it's just pre-season, but last nights showing reinforces my belief that Webb may be cut at the end of training camp.

Can't be a QB in todays NFL if you can't pass.

Webb career comp %: 57.9

Ponder career comp %: 54.3

So what should we do with Ponder then?

I'm not going to get all worked up and calling for players heads after one lousy preseason game.

IMO though, If anyone would go it would be Rosencopter. He's a 12 year perennial backup that has no upside, other than a veteran presence, if you can call it that, or any long term possibilities with the Vikings or any other team. He hasn't thrown a pass in a regular season game since 2008 & his salary is more than 3x what Webb's is.

This is Craig Johnson's 1st year as our QB coach & his 13th year as a QB coach. I'm willing to wait & see what he can do with our 3 young qb's.

singersp
08-12-2012, 10:34 AM
I hope they keep Thompson and drop either Sage or Webb. It would be great to see them find a spot for Webb but I am not sure where that would be.



Punt protector? :P

singersp
08-12-2012, 10:45 AM
This sums up what I have been saying about Webb for a while now:


When Webb plays well, it’s mostly coming in during the game when teams aren’t ready for his speed and strength. Give a team a chance to prepare for him? Joe Webb has mostly been a lousy QB.

Give a team time to prepare against Ponder and how many games has he won?

Not sure how you and PA justify or quantify that statement.

Exactly how many times have teams "prepared" for Webb, knowing he'd get the start? 1? 2?

There's two starts that I know of, he won 1 of them, but I don't recall if those starts were "game time" decisions or if opponents knew ahead of time that Webb was starting.

jargomcfargo
08-12-2012, 12:43 PM
Webb career comp %: 57.9

Ponder career comp %: 54.3

So what should we do with Ponder then?

I'm not going to get all worked up and calling for players heads after one lousy preseason game.

IMO though, If anyone would go it would be Rosencopter. He's a 12 year perennial backup that has no upside, other than a veteran presence, if you can call it that, or any long term possibilities with the Vikings or any other team. He hasn't thrown a pass in a regular season game since 2008 & his salary is more than 3x what Webb's is.

This is Craig Johnson's 1st year as our QB coach & his 13th year as a QB coach. I'm willing to wait & see what he can do with our 3 young qb's.
You are thinking like a fan. I didn't say I would cut Webb, nor am I calling for Webb to be cut. I just feel the Vikings may cut him based on the fact they have already decided not to give him a chance to start, by drafting Ponder and giving him the starting spot without any real QB competition. This is despite the fact Webb played as well if not better than Ponder last year,
The Vikings have decided Webb isn't a starting NFL QB. Now they are evaluating him to see if he has the potential to ever be a starter.
In addition, they paid sage a half million dollar guaranteed contract for this season. And despite what Marrdro says, the coaches and GM have paid a lot of lip service to the importance of veterans helping teach younger players.

I would personally like to see Webb stick and MBT carried on the practice squad, although I expect MBT would be picked up by another team.
But I will not be surprised if Webb gets cut, especially if his passing accuracy doesn't improve.

BTW, the career completion percentage for Ponder and Webb is pathetic and hardly supportive of either being a good QB. Ponder has a long way to go.

Marrdro
08-12-2012, 04:26 PM
Webb career comp %: 57.9

Ponder career comp %: 54.3


Thats it, your gonna go with "Career" percentages? You crack me up.

gamecocksbaseball31
08-13-2012, 12:43 PM
There is no doubt about it that Christian Ponder is our quarterback. No doubt. But to see Joe Webb be released from this team would be an ultimately dumb move for the organization. With our question marks at WR, and with Webb's uncanny athletic ability, why on earth would we release him. Line him up out wide and let him make some plays. This doesn't matter as much, but it opens up the possibility or at least the threat for any type of trick plays. That isn't my reason for doing so though. It is about how thin we are at WR.

Also, lets point this out. Every team in the NFL wants O-linemen that can play multiple positions. Why not keep a guy who can play multiple skill positions? In my opinion, he is better than some options we have at WR, and it gives us another security blanket at QB.

Marrdro
08-13-2012, 02:54 PM
There is no doubt about it that Christian Ponder is our quarterback. No doubt. But to see Joe Webb be released from this team would be an ultimately dumb move for the organization. With our question marks at WR, and with Webb's uncanny athletic ability, why on earth would we release him. Line him up out wide and let him make some plays. This doesn't matter as much, but it opens up the possibility or at least the threat for any type of trick plays. That isn't my reason for doing so though. It is about how thin we are at WR.

Also, lets point this out. Every team in the NFL wants O-linemen that can play multiple positions. Why not keep a guy who can play multiple skill positions? In my opinion, he is better than some options we have at WR, and it gives us another security blanket at QB.
This is another nice post.

One point of discussion though, I'm not so sure that we are thin at WR. Again, lets keep in mind that if we do use multiple receivers it will be just 2, in most cases. I think Simpson and Harvin can take care of that effort.

If we do go 3 or 4 wide, we have some nice young kids that I think are going to step up this year in Burton and others like Arcenaux (sp).

Zeus
08-13-2012, 07:37 PM
I don't think there's been enough game action to make a call on Ponder (and certainly not Bethel-Thompson, LOL). But Webb just doesn't feel right when he does anything other than run out of the pocket. He's an amazing athlete, that much is certain, but he's not an NFL QB.

=Z=

gamecocksbaseball31
08-14-2012, 10:19 AM
This is another nice post.

One point of discussion though, I'm not so sure that we are thin at WR. Again, lets keep in mind that if we do use multiple receivers it will be just 2, in most cases. I think Simpson and Harvin can take care of that effort.

If we do go 3 or 4 wide, we have some nice young kids that I think are going to step up this year in Burton and others like Arcenaux (sp).

Thank you.

To your point, if we are only going with two receiver sets, we are going to be in trouble. We need some playmakers at WR. Sure we have Harvin and now Simpson in week 4. However, I don't think Simpson is a bonefied #2 WR. He would be the guy to bring in when we go 3 or 4 wide.

Some are arguing that we are deep at the WR position and in terms of identical skill, yes I guess you can say that. But the amount of skill besides Harvin is minimal. We need to address this to get back to the playoffs and eventually a Super Bowl.

gamecocksbaseball31
08-14-2012, 10:22 AM
I don't think there's been enough game action to make a call on Ponder (and certainly not Bethel-Thompson, LOL). But Webb just doesn't feel right when he does anything other than run out of the pocket. He's an amazing athlete, that much is certain, but he's not an NFL QB.

=Z=

I agree on Webb. He seems rushed when he's in the pocket, but when he is out of the pocket and on the run he looks like an all-pro. Probably not an NFl QB. As Skip Bayless advocates for Tim TebLow, "Put him in the shotgun and run the spread option!" :crazy:

marstc09
08-25-2012, 02:59 PM
Who? Lol

marshallvike
08-26-2012, 08:50 AM
Who? Lol


McLeod John Baltazar Bethel-Thompson


He has the biggest arm of any of the four quarterbacks in camp and to this point has been the most accurate even when working with the third team. He knows those two facts don't guarantee him a roster spot and although he has been one of the bigger surprises in camp, Bethel-Thompson continues to put in his time and his work.

Read more: Vikings quarterback McLeod Bethel-Thompson makes his case - Minneapolis News and Weather KMSP FOX 9 (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/19232853/mcleod-bethel-thompson#ixzz24eztD5pM)

i_bleed_purple
08-26-2012, 09:52 AM
I don't think there's been enough game action to make a call on Ponder (and certainly not Bethel-Thompson, LOL). But Webb just doesn't feel right when he does anything other than run out of the pocket. He's an amazing athlete, that much is certain, but he's not an NFL QB.

=Z=

To be fair, Mike Vick made a very nice living doing exactly what you described for a few years in Atlanta.

marstc09
08-26-2012, 11:54 AM
Who? Lol


McLeod John Baltazar Bethel-Thompson


He has the biggest arm of any of the four quarterbacks in camp and to this point has been the most accurate even when working with the third team. He knows those two facts don't guarantee him a roster spot and although he has been one of the bigger surprises in camp, Bethel-Thompson continues to put in his time and his work.

Read more: Vikings quarterback McLeod Bethel-Thompson makes his case - Minneapolis News and Weather KMSP FOX 9 (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/19232853/mcleod-bethel-thompson#ixzz24eztD5pM)


TJOKE had a big arm too.

marshallvike
08-26-2012, 06:11 PM
TJOKE had a big arm too.

and accurate.

Not saying he is the next great QB, just letting you know who he is. You may not have much time to keep up with the Vikes, what with your affinity with your new team the Cards.:D

marstc09
08-27-2012, 01:41 AM
TJOKE had a big arm too.

and accurate.

Not saying he is the next great QB, just letting you know who he is. You may not have much time to keep up with the Vikes, what with your affinity with your new team the Cards.:D

43% in the first preseason game is accurate?