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kevoncox
04-27-2012, 08:48 PM
Vikings select Josh Robinson
Ultimate Josh Robinson Highlights (2012 Draft 66th Pick - Minnesota Vikings) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPcaPtUAc-E)

Highlights look good but I am very concerned about our Offense.
I had our needs as LT, SS, WR, DT, FS, CB
Looks good but WR and DT are bigger needs.

Freakout
04-27-2012, 08:50 PM
I love it. Wanted him or Hayward.

kevoncox
04-27-2012, 08:53 PM
What do you do on offense?

Freakout
04-27-2012, 08:55 PM
What do you do on offense?

Fix it next year.

kevoncox
04-27-2012, 08:57 PM
Fix it next year.
Heres the problem.
1. Simpson is on a 1 year deal, if he does great, we are screwed. If he sucks, we are screwed.
2. Harvin is a FA ( i think) We can't Franchise tag him because of cost.
3. We have nothing left.

MulletMullitia
04-27-2012, 09:14 PM
Still plenty of receiver talent left! Sanu, Toon, and Cunningham would all make me very happy to have in the 4th round.

kevoncox
04-27-2012, 09:17 PM
Those guys wont be there or...they have serious flaws in their games. Toon is not the deep threat needed.

I can only pray for a guy like Greg childs, streeter, and TY hilton.

12purplepride28
04-27-2012, 09:17 PM
Still plenty of receiver talent left! Sanu, Toon, and Cunningham would all make me very happy to have in the 4th round.

I'm really hoping for Sanu. Fingers crossed.

kevoncox
04-27-2012, 09:27 PM
I'm really hoping for Sanu. Fingers crossed.
Gone.

SharperImage
04-27-2012, 09:29 PM
Bring me Thomas Streeter and Marvin McNutt in the 4th, or I will have your head.

kevoncox
04-27-2012, 09:37 PM
Bring me Thomas Streeter and Marvin McNutt in the 4th, or I will have your head.

They'll be long gone.

skum
04-27-2012, 09:47 PM
Tommy Streeter is overrated.. People only like him because of his size and speed is rare, but he hasnt shown that he is able to put it together yet, so it will be a challenge for him to do so.

Btw on Josh Robinson, i love the pick, gets even more depth in the secondary, don't be surprised if Bowman will have a try at safety in TC unless we pick up a veteran..

I mentioned Josh Robison in my Diamonds in the Rough blog post after the combine.
http://www.purplepride.org/blogs/skum/diamonds-rough-50/

Some had him way higher than the third so i think he has good value and yet another good pick by Spielman.

YouthVikesFan
04-27-2012, 09:55 PM
Greg childs WR & Massaqua(spelling) LB & a DT please

tastywaves
04-27-2012, 10:52 PM
Crazy athleticness, but needs quite a bit of development. Let's see how our crack db coaching pedigrees makes use of him. Lots of upside with this guy. The db pool is getting pretty heavy, buh bye Asher.

Give Josh some reps in 2012, whether at corner or nickel and see if he can be a starter in 2013 when some of our 1 year guys expire. It's clear that Spielman understands the issues we have with our secondary and is trying to address it without killing the cap. From a talent standpoint, we are quite a bit ahead of last year, now lets see what the coaching staff does with it.

WR has to be the next area of focus followed by DT and ILB.

ConnecticutViking
04-28-2012, 05:04 AM
Whatever we can't/don't address in the draft we can get through Free Agency/Trades

singersp
04-28-2012, 09:24 AM
All those draft picks & we couldn't trade up in the 2nd or 3rd to draft a WR? WTF!!!!

Spielman may have looked good on day 1 of the draft, but looked like a turd on day 2.

kevoncox
04-28-2012, 10:11 AM
All those draft picks & we couldn't trade up in the 2nd or 3rd to draft a WR? WTF!!!!

Spielman may have looked good on day 1 of the draft, but looked like a turd on day 2.
He got out smarted. Based on his comments about the pick. He wanted Randle, he got snatched up and I believe that the guy from Montana became their target but he got snatched up. Seems like we like taller Cbs and the other guy fits the bill better. Just based on his response from Vikings.com.

vikinggreg
04-28-2012, 10:15 AM
All those draft picks & we couldn't trade up in the 2nd or 3rd to draft a WR? WTF!!!!

Spielman may have looked good on day 1 of the draft, but looked like a turd on day 2.

Who are you targeting and where were you expecting them to trade with, to move back into the 3rd round the Vikes would have to trade all their picks (except the compensatory picks which can't be trade) just to come up with the value of around picks in the later 80's and Sanu would already be gone.

Would you give up picks 118, 138, 139, 175, 210, 211 and 223 to make a move for T.Y. Hilton?

singersp
04-28-2012, 10:22 AM
Who are you targeting and where were you expecting them to trade with, to move back into the 3rd round the Vikes would have to trade all their picks (except the compensatory picks which can't be trade) just to come up with the value of around picks in the later 80's and Sanu would already be gone.

Would you give up picks 118, 138, 139, 175, 210, 211 and 223 to make a move for T.Y. Hilton?

I wasn't targeting any WR in particular, but after our 2nd pick & prior to our 3rd round pick at #66 there must have been a WR there that we could have grabbed with our 3rd & a 4th as trade or even a WR with our #66 pick.

I didn't see a big need to get another DB at #66 before grabbing a WR.

Did you know Asante Samuel was traded for a 7th round pick? He would have given us some much needed help in the backfield.

12purplepride28
04-28-2012, 10:31 AM
I wasn't targeting any WR in particular, but after our 2nd pick & prior to our 3rd round pick at #66 there must have been a WR there that we could have grabbed with our 3rd & a 4th as trade or even a WR with our #66 pick.

I didn't see a big need to get another DB at #66 before grabbing a WR.

Did you know Asante Samuel was traded for a 7th round pick? He would have given us some much needed help in the backfield.

Samuel had a huge salary and some weird trade clause in his contract. And Spielman hardly looked like a turd. We have 1 pick in each round, basically. We took LT, and started to fix our secondary. We can't trade our comp picks and it would've taken a lot to trade up into the second. No GM can get everything perfect and if you expect that then you are going to be disappointed no matter who we get back there.

iowa
04-28-2012, 10:37 AM
I like what the Vikes are doing,they got good prospects at positions of need.It would have been nice to get one of the "big name" w.r'r. but you can only do so much with the picks you have.I'm glad they didn't give up picks to move up, we need lots of help so the more young talent we can bring in the better.Still some good prospects at wide out like mcnutt, childs, toon not to mention lb's and dt, other areas we HAVE to address.

singersp
04-28-2012, 10:45 AM
Samuel had a huge salary and some weird trade clause in his contract. And Spielman hardly looked like a turd. We have 1 pick in each round, basically. We took LT, and started to fix our secondary. We can't trade our comp picks and it would've taken a lot to trade up into the second. No GM can get everything perfect and if you expect that then you are going to be disappointed no matter who we get back there.

Well according to those who didn't want us to pick up any good veteran players via FA & wanted us to do everything in the way of rebuilding via the draft, Spielman would have to do just that to plug all our holes.

vikinggreg
04-28-2012, 10:47 AM
I wasn't targeting any WR in particular, but after our 2nd pick & prior to our 3rd round pick at #66 there must have been a WR there that we could have grabbed with our 3rd & a 4th as trade or even a WR with our #66 pick.

I didn't see a big need to get another DB at #66 before grabbing a WR.

Did you know Asante Samuel was traded for a 7th round pick? He would have given us some much needed help in the backfield.

Yeah and he also got 18.5 over 3 years, we already have Winny as a cb as a vet leader Samuel doesn't really excite me, sure he was a probowler as was Winfield but watching what teams like the Eagles, Redskins and Falcons have done moving picks or cash for playoff wins isn't what I'm looking at for now as they have got that yet. Not looking for flashes this year and would rather have cap carryover next year to fill holes when the team is closer to just a few players away than trying to fill the roster with bigger names in the latter years of their career.

singersp
04-28-2012, 10:48 AM
Whatever we can't/don't address in the draft we can get through Free Agency/Trades

You do realize that most of the great FA players are already signed don't you?

vikinggreg
04-28-2012, 10:53 AM
You do realize that most of the great FA players are already signed don't you?

I've come to terms with the fact the Vikings aren't going to be great for a few years :(

singersp
04-28-2012, 10:54 AM
Yeah and he also got 18.5 over 3 years, we already have Winny as a cb as a vet leader Samuel doesn't really excite me, sure he was a probowler as was Winfield but watching what teams like the Eagles, Redskins and Falcons have done moving picks or cash for playoff wins isn't what I'm looking at for now as they have got that yet. Not looking for flashes this year and would rather have cap carryover next year to fill holes when the team is closer to just a few players away than trying to fill the roster with bigger names in the latter years of their career.

I can go along with that considering the cap, but I didn't see the big need to draft another CB before addressing our WR needs. We could have been OK with Smith, Winfield, Cook & Carr for this year & add another DB latter in the draft or next year.

I don't watch a lot of college football, so I'm not aware of all the talent out there, so my question is this;

Was Robinson the BPA over any of the WR's available at #66?

Ranger
04-28-2012, 11:11 AM
We're not going to plug holes with the rest of the draft, I'd say. Typically the following rounds are going to be for depth, developmental players and special teams contributors. It's not like you have ten picks and will score five starters, even on a team as bad as the Vikings.

We've probably landed two starters and a dime corner, and we're probably not going to get much else. If we went receiver, it'll probably be a guy that is fourth on the depth chart.

It will be a long rebuilding process, but if the Vikings score another two starters in next year's draft, then we might start cooking with fire.

Ranger
04-28-2012, 11:12 AM
I can go along with that considering the cap, but I didn't see the big need to draft another CB before addressing our WR needs. We could have been OK with Smith, Winfield, Cook & Carr for this year & add another DB latter in the draft or next year.

I don't watch a lot of college football, so I'm not aware of all the talent out there, so my question is this;

Was Robinson the BPA over any of the WR's available at #66?

The best two were Floyd and Blackmon, and after that there was a bunch of drop offs. Blackmon and Floyd were rated below the top to receivers taken last year, as well.

The corner has more potential than the remaining receivers on the board, from what we know NOW.

kevoncox
04-28-2012, 11:47 AM
The best two were Floyd and Blackmon, and after that there was a bunch of drop offs. Blackmon and Floyd were rated below the top to receivers taken last year, as well.

The corner has more potential than the remaining receivers on the board, from what we know NOW.

Correction, Blackmon would be rated higher than Jones.

Ranger
04-28-2012, 12:13 PM
Correction, Blackmon would be rated higher than Jones.

Really? I haven't read anything that said Blackmon was considered a better prospect than Jones.

kevoncox
04-28-2012, 12:50 PM
Really? I haven't read anything that said Blackmon was considered a better prospect than Jones.

Jones was a combine raiser. However, early on the selection process, blackmon was considered a higher prospect. I think Blackmon suffered from staying and playing. Gave scouts plenty of film to nitpick him.

bleedpurple
04-30-2012, 03:40 PM
Jones was a combine raiser. However, early on the selection process, blackmon was considered a higher prospect. I think Blackmon suffered from staying and playing. Gave scouts plenty of film to nitpick him.

I agree... they compare Blackmon to Dez Bryant that works harder at his craft... Dude is a beast... anywhere he would have gone except Jacksonville.. I feel for the guy!

tarkenton10
05-01-2012, 07:40 AM
Samuel had a huge salary and some weird trade clause in his contract. And Spielman hardly looked like a turd. We have 1 pick in each round, basically. We took LT, and started to fix our secondary. We can't trade our comp picks and it would've taken a lot to trade up into the second. No GM can get everything perfect and if you expect that then you are going to be disappointed no matter who we get back there.

Exactly!! We have so many holes, this draft is not going to cure all our ills. We need at least three good to great drafts to get back to an elite team status. Then when you have a couple of needs you try to hit homeruns in the FA market and make a run at the super bowl. We are at least two years away from being in contention for a super bowl. No sense wasting money on FA that may not be with the team by then.

Marrdro
05-08-2012, 08:54 AM
I can go along with that considering the cap, but I didn't see the big need to draft another CB before addressing our WR needs. We could have been OK with Smith, Winfield, Cook & Carr for this year & add another DB latter in the draft or next year.

I don't watch a lot of college football, so I'm not aware of all the talent out there, so my question is this;

Was Robinson the BPA over any of the WR's available at #66?
I think we will see Whinny's reps diminish drastically this year and he won't be a Viking next year, if he makes it through this year.