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Marrdro
04-21-2012, 02:36 PM
Bet you guys/gals thought I wasn't going to get around to this - this year.:)

Don't matter how busy work is, gotta do my draft so that I can see how the draft will fall, at least in my head.

Couple of thoughts for you to think about as you go throw this.....

a. I don't put in any trades unless they had already happened before I worked this up.

b. I don't know the college players. Even though I made an effort this year to watch a bit more college ball, I still only scratched the surface.

c. For each team I make my pick for them using the following criteria:
1. Team Need. This is determined through a process of looking at their roster, looking at who they brought in and what, if any, coaching staff changes they might have made as it relates to the scheme I think they will run.
2. Best Player Available on my big board. Usually only look at about 5 players but in a few instances this year I did find myself taking a cat that was around 10 away.

d. I used the following urls to do my research on things like Big Board Rankings/Player Profiles//Free Agent Signings/Team Needs/Coaching Changes/Anticipated schemes:



2012 NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft)


2012 NFL Mock Draft - DraftCountdown.com (http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php)


Ourlads' NFL Scouting Services - NFL Depth Charts | NFL Draft (http://www.ourlads.com/)


2012 NFL Draft, NFL Mock Draft, Combine results, Forums, from Football's Future (http://www.footballsfuture.com/)


KFFL - 2012 NFL Free Agents (http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?y=2012)


The Latest NFL News | SportSpyder (http://www.sportspyder.com/sports/nfl/news/)



If I had a conflict on a player, especially if he was a C2 CB or a 3-4 NT, I defered to my Ourlads Magazine.

So, having said all of that, take a look, see what you think, and most importantly, enjoy.

Vikings Picks:



1
3
Minnesota
Matt Kalil
OT


2
35
Minnesota
Harrison Smith
SS


3
66
Minnesota
Mohamed Sanu
WRF


4
98
Minnesota
Brandon Thompson
DT43


4
128
Minnesota (Compensatory Selection)
Bernard Pierce
RBF


4
134
Minnesota (Compensatory Selection)
Phillip Thomas
FS


5
138
Minnesota
Terrell Manning
OLB43


6
175
Minnesota from Cleveland
Jeff Fuller
WRF


7
210
Minnesota
Ron Brooks
CB


7
223
Minnesota from Philadelphia through New England
Jerry Franklin
ILB



Alot of talk about the Vikes trading taking a CB or WR instead of an OT at 3. I went ahead and took Kalil based on the following assumptions:

a. Won't take a CB no matter how good he is. Mostly because they addressed the CB position in FA as well as with the return of Cook. Besides, a C2 scheme doesn't warrant taking CB's this high.

b. Won't take a WR here because of how deep this class is at that position.

How they came off the board........



Round 1


Pick
Team
Selection
Position


1
1
Indianapolis
Andrew Luck
QB


1
2
Washington from St. Louis
Robert Griffin
QB


1
3
Minnesota
Matt Kalil
OT


1
4
Cleveland
Trent Richardson
RBF


1
5
Tampa Bay
Morris Claiborne
CB


1
6
St. Louis from Washington
Michael Floyd
WRF


1
7
Jacksonville
Justin Blackmon
WRF


1
8
Miami
Ryan Tannehill
QB


1
9
Carolina
Fletcher Cox
DT43


1
10
Buffalo
Luke Kuechly
ILB


1
11
Kansas City
David DeCastro
OG


1
12
Seattle
Melvin Ingram
DE43


1
13
Arizona
Riley Reiff
OT


1
14
Dallas
Quinton Coples
DE34


1
15
Philadelphia
Dre Kirkpatrick
CB


1
16
New York Jets
Whitney Mercilus
OLB34


1
17
Cincinnati from Oakland
Peter Konz
OC


1
18
San Diego
Courtney Upshaw
OLB34


1
19
Chicago
Stephon Gilmore
CB


1
20
Tennessee
Michael Brockers
DT43


1
21
Cincinnati
Mark Barron
SS


1
22
Cleveland from Atlanta
Stephen Hill
WRF


1
23
Detroit
Mike Adams
OT


1
24
Pittsburgh
Dont'a Hightower
ILB


1
25
Denver
Cordy Glenn
OG


1
26
Houston
Kendall Wright
WRF


1
27
New England from New Orleans
Devon Still
DT43


1
28
Green Bay
Dontari Poe
DT34


1
29
Baltimore
James Brown
OG


1
30
San Francisco
Andre Branch
OLB34


1
31
New England
Alfonzo Dennard
CB


1
32
New York Giants
Zach Brown
ILB

Marrdro
04-21-2012, 02:37 PM
Round 2


2
33
St. Louis
Jonathan Martin
OT


2
34
Indianapolis
Coby Fleener
TE


2
35
Minnesota
Harrison Smith
SS


2
36
Tampa Bay
Mychal Kendricks
ILB


2
37
Cleveland
Bobby Massie
OT


2
38
Jacksonville
LaMichael James
RBC


2
39
St. Louis from Washington
David Wilson
RBF


2
40
Carolina
Juron Criner
WRF


2
41
Buffalo
Alshon Jeffery
WRF


2
42
Miami
Nick Perry
DE43


2
43
Seattle
Chris Polk
RBF


2
44
Kansas City
Bobby Wagner
ILB


2
45
Dallas
Janoris Jenkins
CB


2
46
Philadelphia
Kendall Reyes
DT43


2
47
New York Jets
Doug Martin
RBF


2
48
New England from Oakland
Shea McClellin
DE43


2
49
San Diego
Kevin Zeitler
OG


2
50
Chicago
Chandler Jones
DE43


2
51
Philadelphia from Arizona
Lavonte David
OLB43


2
52
Tennessee
Jayron Hosley
CB


2
53
Cincinnati
Lamar Miller
RBF


2
54
Detroit
Josh Robinson
CB


2
55
Atlanta
Kelechi Osemele
OT


2
56
Pittsburgh
Amini Silatolu
OG


2
57
Denver
Jerel Worthy
DT43


2
58
Houston
Zebrie Sanders
OT




New Orleans Forfeited
-
-


2
59
Green Bay
Vinny Curry
OLB34


2
60
Baltimore
Markelle Martin
FS


2
61
San Francisco
Jeff Allen
OG


2
62
New England
Ben Jones
OC


2
63
New York Giants
Dwight Bentley
CB









Round 3


3
64
Indianapolis
Alameda Ta'amu
DT34


3
65
St. Louis
Ronnell Lewis
OLB43


3
66
Minnesota
Mohamed Sanu
WRF


3
67
Cleveland
Cam Johnson
DE43


3
68
Tampa Bay
Robert Turbin
RBF


3
69
Washington
Coryell Judie
CB


3
70
Jacksonville
Jake Bequette
DE43


3
71
Buffalo
Brandon Mosley
OT


3
72
Miami
Marvin Jones
WRF


3
73
Miami from Carolina through Chicago
Jared Crick
DE43


3
74
Kansas City
Hebron Fangupo
DT34


3
75
Seattle
George Iloka
FS


3
76
Houston from Philadelphia
Jonathan Massaquoi
OLB34


3
77
New York Jets
Ryan Broyles
WRF




Oakland Exercised in Supplemental Draft




3
78
San Diego
Casey Hayward
CB


3
79
Chicago
Mike Martin
DT43


3
80
Arizona
Brandon Boykin
CB


3
81
Dallas
Philip Blake
OC


3
82
Tennessee
Brandon Washington
OC


3
83
Cincinnati
Chris Givens
WRF


3
84
Atlanta
Ladarius Green
TE


3
85
Detroit
Malik Jackson
DE43


3
86
Pittsburgh
Kheeston Randall
DE34


3
87
Denver
Brock Osweiler
QB


3
88
Philadelphia from Houston
Nick Toon
WRP


3
89
New Orleans
DaJohn Harris
DE34


3
90
Green Bay
Josh Norman
CB


3
91
Baltimore
Kyle Wilber
OLB34


3
92
San Francisco
Trumaine Johnson
FS


3
93
New England
Trenton Robinson
FS


3
94
New York Giants
Michael Egnew
TE


3
95
Oakland (Compensatory Selection)
Dwayne Allen
TE

Marrdro
04-21-2012, 02:40 PM
Round 4


4
96
St. Louis
Brandon Weeden
QB


4
97
Indianapolis
Tony Bergstrom
OG


4
98
Minnesota
Brandon Thompson
DT43


4
99
Houston from Tampa Bay through Philadelphia
Audie Cole
ILB


4
100
Cleveland
Keenan Robinson
OLB43


4
101
Jacksonville
T.Y. Hilton
WRS


4
102
Washington
Antonio Allen
SS


4
103
Miami
Mitchell Schwartz
OT


4
104
Carolina
Leonard Johnson
CB


4
105
Buffalo
Reuben Randle
WRF


4
106
Seattle
Tank Carder
ILB


4
107
Kansas City
Kirk Cousins
QB


4
108
Denver from New York Jets
Isaiah Pead
RBC


4
109
Washington from Oakland
Sean Spence
ILB


4
110
San Diego
Chris Rainey
RBC


4
111
Chicago
Matt McCants
OT


4
112
Arizona
Demario Davis
ILB


4
113
Dallas
Jamell Fleming
CB


4
114
Philadelphia
Trevor Guyton
DE43


4
115
Tennessee
A.J. Jenkins
WRF


4
116
Cincinnati
Vontaze Burfict
ILB


4
117
Detroit
Brandon Brooks
OG


4
118
Cleveland from Atlanta
Brian Quick
WRP


4
119
Pittsburgh
Cyrus Gray
RBF


4
120
Denver
Josh Kaddu
OLB43


4
121
Houston
Senio Kelemete
OG


4
122
New Orleans
Derek Wolfe
DE43


4
123
Green Bay
Nate Potter
OT


4
124
Buffalo from Baltimore
Shaun Prater
CB


4
125
San Francisco
David Molk
OC


4
126
New England
Markus Zucevics
OT


4
127
New York Giants
Nigel Bradham
OLB43


4
128
Minnesota (Compensatory Selection)
Bernard Pierce
RBF


4
129
Oakland (Compensatory Selection)
Marcus Forston
DT43


4
130
Baltimore (Compensatory Selection)
Travis Lewis
ILB


4
131
New York Giants (Compensatory Selection)
DeVier Posey
WRF


4
132
Green Bay (Compensatory Selection)
Brandon Taylor
SS


4
133
Green Bay (Compensatory Selection)
Matt Conrath
DE34


4
134
Minnesota (Compensatory Selection)
Phillip Thomas
FS


4
135
Dallas (Compensatory Selection)
Terrance Ganaway
RBF

Marrdro
04-21-2012, 02:42 PM
Round 5


5
136
Indianapolis
Chase Minnifield
CB


5
137
Denver from St. Louis
Joe Adams
WRS


5
138
Minnesota
Terrell Manning
OLB43


5
139
Cleveland
Donnie Fletcher
CB


5
140
Tampa Bay
Emmanuel Acho
OLB43


5
141
Washington
Eddie Whitley
FS


5
142
Jacksonville
Jack Crawford
DE43


5
143
Carolina
Lucas Nix
OG


5
144
Buffalo
Orson Charles
TE


5
145
Miami
Junior Hemingway
WRP


5
146
Kansas City
Quinton Saulsberry
OC


5
147
Buffalo from Seattle
Tyler Nielsen
OLB43


5
148
Oakland
Nicolas Jean-Baptiste
DT34


5
149
San Diego
B.J. Coleman
QB


5
150
Chicago
Brian Linthicum
TE


5
151
Arizona
Brandon Lindsey
OLB34


5
152
Dallas
Jarius Wright
WRS


5
153
Philadelphia
Ryan Lindley
QB


5
154
New York Jets
Duke Ihenacho
SS


5
155
Tennessee
Marquis Maze
WRS


5
156
Cincinnati
Justin Bethel
CB


5
157
Atlanta
Jaye Howard
DT43


5
158
Detroit
Ronnie Hillman
RBC


5
159
Pittsburgh
Josh Chapman
DT34


5
160
Cleveland from Denver
Lamar Holmes
OG


5
161
Houston
Akiem Hicks
DE34


5
162
New Orleans
DeQuan Menzie
CB


5
163
Green Bay
Mike Brewster
OC


5
164
Baltimore
Tom Compton
OT


5
165
San Francisco
Tauren Poole
RBF


5
166
Cincinnati from New England
Devon Wylie
WRS


5
167
New York Giants
Bobby Rainey
RBC


5
168
Oakland (Compensatory Selection)
Tommy Streeter
WRF


5
169
Baltimore (Compensatory Selection)
Coty Sensabaugh
CB


5
170
Indianapolis (Compensatory Selection)
Rishard Matthews
WRF

Marrdro
04-21-2012, 02:43 PM
Round 6


6
171
St. Louis
Ryan Steed
CB


6
172
Philadelphia from Indianapolis
James-Michael Johnson
ILB


6
173
Washington from Minnesota
Lance Lewis
WRF


6
174
Tampa Bay
Bruce Irvin
DE43


6
175
Minnesota from Cleveland
Jeff Fuller
WRF


6
176
Jacksonville
Charles Brown
CB


6
177
Arizona from Washington
Marvin McNutt
WRP


6
178
Buffalo
Vick Ballard
RBF


6
179
New Orleans from Miami
Kevin Koger
TE


6
180
Carolina
Omar Bolden
CB


6
181
Seattle
Deangelo Peterson
TE


6
182
Kansas City
Olivier Vernon
OLB34


6
183
San Diego
Matt Reynolds
OT


6
184
Chicago
Jordan White
WRF


6
185
Arizona
Janzen Jackson
FS


6
186
Dallas
Landon Walker
OT


6
187
New York Jets from Philadelphia through Indianapolis
Aaron Henry
FS


6
188
Denver from New York Jets
Ryan Van Bergen
DE43


6
189
Oakland
Tyrone Crawford
DE43


6
190
Tennessee
Matt Daniels
SS


6
191
Cincinnati
Ishmaa'ily Kitchen
DT43




Detroit Forfeited




6
192
Atlanta
Chris Owusu
WRF


6
193
Pittsburgh
Russell Wilson
QB


6
194
Philadelphia from Denver
Dan Herron
RBF


6
195
Houston
Chigbo Anunoby
DT34


6
196
Miami from New Orleans
T.J. Graham
WRS


6
197
Green Bay
Nick Foles
QB


6
198
Baltimore
Adonis Thomas
RBC


6
199
San Francisco
Dominique Hamilton
DE34


6
200
Philadelphia from New England
Andrew Datko
OT


6
201
New York Giants
Levy Adcock
OT


6
202
New York Jets (Compensatory Selection)
Micah Pellerin
CB


6
203
New York Jets (Compensatory Selection)
Dwight Jones
WRP


6
204
Cleveland (Compensatory Selection)
Julian Miller
DE43


6
205
Cleveland (Compensatory Selection)
Winston Guy
SS


6
206
Indianapolis (Compensatory Selection)
Lennon Creer
RBF


6
207
Carolina (Compensatory Selection)
Chris Galippo
ILB

Marrdro
04-21-2012, 02:44 PM
Round 7


7
208
Indianapolis
Garth Gerhart
OC


7
209
St. Louis
Mike Daniels
DT43


7
210
Minnesota
Ron Brooks
CB


7
211
Cleveland
Drake Dunsmore
TE


7
212
Tampa Bay
Jermaine Kearse
WRF


7
213
Washington
Josh LeRibeus
OG


7
214
Indianapolis from Jacksonville through New York Jets
Lance Dunbar
RBC


7
215
Miami
Edwin Baker
RBF


7
216
Carolina
Jacory Harris
QB


7
217
Buffalo
Adrian Robinson
DE43


7
218
Kansas City
James Hanna
TE


7
219
Detroit from Seattle
Brett Roy
DT43


7
220
Chicago
Nathan Stupar
OLB43


7
221
Arizona
G.J. Kinne
QB


7
222
Dallas
Adrien Robinson
TE


7
223
Minnesota from Philadelphia through New England
Jerry Franklin
ILB


7
224
Green Bay from New York Jets
Damon Harrison
DT34


7
225
Seattle from Oakland
Patrick Witt
QB


7
226
San Diego
Cliff Harris
CB


7
227
Tennessee
Jamie Blatnick
DE43


7
228
Jacksonville from Cincinnati
Ryan Miller
OT


7
229
Atlanta
Jacquies Smith
DE43


7
230
Detroit
Travis Benjamin
WRS


7
231
Pittsburgh
Asa Jackson
CB


7
232
New York Jets from Denver
Austin Davis
QB


7
233
Houston
David Paulson
TE


7
234
New Orleans
Carson Wiggs
PK


7
235
Green Bay
D'Anton Lynn
CB


7
236
Baltimore
Jarrett Boykin
WRF


7
237
San Francisco
Kelcie McCray
SS


7
238
Kansas City from New England
Keshawn Martin
WRS


7
239
New York Giants
Jaymes Brooks
OG


7
240
Pittsburgh (Compensatory Selection)
George Bryan
TE


7
241
Green Bay (Compensatory Selection)
Darius Fleming
OLB34


7
242
New York Jets (Compensatory Selection)
Travian Robertson
DE34


7
243
Green Bay (Compensatory Selection)
Brandon Bolden
RBF


7
244
New York Jets (Compensatory Selection)
Kashif Moore
WRS


7
245
Cleveland (Compensatory Selection)
Jordan Jefferson
QB


7
246
Pittsburgh (Compensatory Selection)
Rhett Ellison
TE


7
247
Cleveland (Compensatory Selection)
Greg Childs
WRF


7
248
Pittsburgh (Compensatory Selection)
Terrence Frederick
CB


7
249
Atlanta (Compensatory Selection)
Darron Thomas
QB


7
250
San Diego (Compensatory Selection)
B.J. Cunningham
WRF


7
251
Buffalo (Compensatory Selection)
Christian Thompson
FS


7
252
St. Louis (Compensatory Selection)
Billy Winn
DT43


7
253
Indianapolis (Compensatory Selection)
James Carmon
OT

i_bleed_purple
04-21-2012, 11:38 PM
Lamichael James in the early second seems awful high, I just don't see Jacksonville being the type of team to reach that high for a high-risk/reward player, but I've been wrong before ;)

Thanks for sharing.

SharperImage
04-22-2012, 12:05 AM
I think Harrison smith is a good pick, but if Ashlon Jeffery is there, I say we draft him. I also think we draft atleast 2-3 WRs seeing as its the best class of WRs for the next 3-4 years until DGB finishes at Mizzu

Marrdro
04-22-2012, 04:14 AM
Lamichael James in the early second seems awful high, I just don't see Jacksonville being the type of team to reach that high for a high-risk/reward player, but I've been wrong before ;)

Thanks for sharing.
Your probably right.

Why I went with him instead of someone else was mostly driven by interest/visits....Almost all sites have him listed as a 2/3 rounder but the Lions, Rams, Colts and Saints have all snooped about him. I see this as a move to MJD off his stance and provide some rest/help during the season.

Hope all is well. Haven't "Discusses" stuff with you in along time. Work is nuts.

Marrdro
04-22-2012, 04:18 AM
I think Harrison smith is a good pick, but if Ashlon Jeffery is there, I say we draft him. I also think we draft atleast 2-3 WRs seeing as its the best class of WRs for the next 3-4 years until DGB finishes at Mizzu
I hear ya on Jeffery but kindof had Sanu (and 3 or 4 others) rated about the same as him whereas the SS class is pretty thin. Thats why I'm not sure he (Smith) even makes it to us in the second.

I did take 2 for them, but held off on the 3rd because of all the other moves they made this offseason.

Probably won't pick 3, but as deep as this class is, I bet we see a few UDFA's brought in.

mountainviking
04-22-2012, 10:34 AM
As always, Nice Work Marrdro!

Tho I'm not sure Sanu is the type of WR we're looking for...he's another big, strong, run-blocking type that I think Jenkins already fills for us. I see a guy like that being more likely a later, developmental pick like Fuller. IF Broyles looks healthy, I'd rather scoop him up in the third. Before his injury he was considered a likely 1st or early 2nd, he's got speed, moves, runs good routes, and is a dangerous return guy too.

Then, I'd hope we'd back that pick up by spending a 4 or 5 on another down-field threat like Tommy Streeter.

IF we look at our likely WR roster, there's really only 2 spots locked: Jenkins and Harvin. Everything under that is competition at this point. If Aromashadu would catch a bit higher percentage of throws, he could be a keeper too, and Walters looks to possibly make the roster as our no.1 return guy, but I see at least two spots if not three that need an upgrade.

SKOL VIKINGS!!! ITS ALMOST DRAFT TIME, LETS HIT THIS ONE RIGHT ON!!!

BAAAAAAHWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

MorrisCaliborne
04-22-2012, 10:47 AM
I would be shocked if Harrison Smith get past the Patriots and Packers

Marrdro
04-22-2012, 11:54 AM
As always, Nice Work Marrdro!

Tho I'm not sure Sanu is the type of WR we're looking for...he's another big, strong, run-blocking type that I think Jenkins already fills for us. I see a guy like that being more likely a later, developmental pick like Fuller. IF Broyles looks healthy, I'd rather scoop him up in the third. Before his injury he was considered a likely 1st or early 2nd, he's got speed, moves, runs good routes, and is a dangerous return guy too.

Then, I'd hope we'd back that pick up by spending a 4 or 5 on another down-field threat like Tommy Streeter.

IF we look at our likely WR roster, there's really only 2 spots locked: Jenkins and Harvin. Everything under that is competition at this point. If Aromashadu would catch a bit higher percentage of throws, he could be a keeper too, and Walters looks to possibly make the roster as our no.1 return guy, but I see at least two spots if not three that need an upgrade.

SKOL VIKINGS!!! ITS ALMOST DRAFT TIME, LETS HIT THIS ONE RIGHT ON!!!

BAAAAAAHWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Thanks my mountain friend.

Interesting point of discussion (going smaller) at WR, if that is what I'm hearing you say. Broyles, probably wouldn't be my selection. If memory serves he is a bit injury prone (MCL I think) that might have affected his speed.

For me, atleast, I believe ole Musgrove is really trying to be big and physical, thus the 2-3/1-3 sets all the time. When he does run WR's out there, I'm of the mind he wants big ones out there that can out muscle/block.

Again, I hear what your saying but I'm just not sure thats what Musgrove is trying to do.

Marrdro
04-22-2012, 12:01 PM
I would be shocked if Harrison Smith get past the Patriots and Packers
I agree with you on the Pats but if you take a look, they were actually more interested in fixing the NT position first. Probably why they went out and got Gregory. Allows them to look at NT first.

PUKERS, well, they are another story altogether. I think Poe will be their guy if he gets to them. The signing of Hargrove makes me rethink that selection though.

Again, good points. Just not sure how they will fall.

MorrisCaliborne
04-22-2012, 01:14 PM
I agree with you on the Pats but if you take a look, they were actually more interested in fixing the NT position first. Probably why they went out and got Gregory. Allows them to look at NT first.

PUKERS, well, they are another story altogether. I think Poe will be their guy if he gets to them. The signing of Hargrove makes me rethink that selection though.

Again, good points. Just not sure how they will fall.

We will see how far Harrison falls on Thursday! If the Packers do get Poe, I would be happy with that because I think Poe is going to be a bust!

skum
04-22-2012, 05:19 PM
First on Vikings selection, we have the same two first picks so here i agree very much..

Not really sold on Sanu, because of limited speed - won't stretch the field much.. same with Fuller..

Liking Brandon Thompson, he is good value in the fourth

Im thinking 7th is a little late for picking up an ILB.

Not sold on Phillip Thomas, seems like he has issues with consistansy and characther concerns from what i read, dont know much about him. If you wanna go late round safety, im going Brandon Taylor from LSU.

Ron Brooks is a major sleeper it seems..

I think we are set at RB + its easier to pick up UDFA RB's than other positions it seems..

Not buying in on taking either Trent Richardson and Ryan Tannehill this high, word is Fletcher Cox will go at 6. to the Rams right now..

I disagree with Floyd over Blackmon..

I don't think Peter Konz is a first rounder..

Some people have concerns with Stephen Hills limited numbers, due to the offense he came from.

Mike Adams seems to be out of the first round.

Alfonzo Dennard just got arrested for assualt on a pollice officer last night, so i doubt he goes in the first also.

I think Coby Fleener, Harrison Smith, Nick Perry and Jerel Worthy will end up in the first round, other possible could be Mychal Kendricks, Janoris Jenkins, Doug Martin, Shea McClellin, Kevin Zeitler, Amini Silatulo.. However i agree that there is a big bunch of guys from the 20th and down trough the second round that could fall anywhere in that space.

Dwayne Allen as the last pick in the third is a major steal imo.

If it wasnt for Brandon Weedens age, hed be a first rounder too..

Reuben Randle in the fourth seems very low..

Chris Rainey i think will go later than the 4th..

Brandon Brooks is also a steal in the fourth..

Chase Minnifield in the 5th is also a steal..

Orson Charles will go higher, i know him from Georgia, he is so well spoken - he comminted a mistake with a DUI, but i don't think it will hinder his draft stock to much, great TE prospect..

Mr Anderson
04-22-2012, 07:55 PM
Knee jerk reaction without reading the entire post:

I will shit myself if we get Sanu in the 3rd round.


More to come.

singersp
04-23-2012, 05:45 AM
I will shit myself if we get Sanu in the 3rd round.

We have a lot riding on this years draft...

Spielman's job.

Mr. A's dignity

Pack Sux's left nut

KevinK
04-23-2012, 01:55 PM
I dont think the S Barron and the DT Poe will go that low. Id say that they will go in between 12-18 overall. Im also gonna make a bold prediction and say GB will trade up and get a LT early in the draft.

Marrdro
04-23-2012, 04:01 PM
We will see how far Harrison falls on Thursday! If the Packers do get Poe, I would be happy with that because I think Poe is going to be a bust!
I'm not sure what your not seeing in Poe that the rest of the "World" is. Again, I don't know the college players good enough to comment on them, however, he is ranked pretty high on most internet boards and the "Ourlads" staff (that the NFL uses) has him in the top 5 DT's.

Marrdro
04-23-2012, 04:04 PM
Knee jerk reaction without reading the entire post:

I will shit myself if we get Sanu in the 3rd round.


More to come.
I thought he would come off the board sooner myself, but as I went pick by pick and slotted WR's to team based on their scheme,

If you look at who I gave WR's to, who do you think he would go to?

On a side note, good chatting with you again. Hope all is well.

Marrdro
04-23-2012, 04:07 PM
I dont think the S Barron and the DT Poe will go that low. Id say that they will go in between 12-18 overall. Im also gonna make a bold prediction and say GB will trade up and get a LT early in the draft.
LOL, I wish I would have known about Clifton when I did this. :mad:

Poe has me befuddled. Had him and Ta'amu ranked pretty high as this all started out. Think I'm still pretty close were he goes based on scheme and were I put the other DT's.

tastywaves
04-23-2012, 04:08 PM
I'm not sure what your not seeing in Poe that the rest of the "World" is. Again, I don't know the college players good enough to comment on them, however, he is ranked pretty high on most internet boards and the "Ourlads" staff (that the NFL uses) has him in the top 5 DT's.

His critics point out that his college production was not near as good as his performance would indicate at the combine. Look at his projections before the combine and you will see he has had a pretty stellar rise since then. I would put him in a pretty high risk category for a top 15 pick or even a round 1 pick.

Marrdro
04-23-2012, 04:09 PM
We have a lot riding on this years draft...

Spielman's job.

Mr. A's dignity

Pack Sux's left nut
LOL, when was the last time I told you that you cracked me up my friend? :rofl:

Marrdro
04-23-2012, 04:11 PM
His critics point out that his college production was not near as good as his performance would indicate at the combine. Look at his projections before the combine and you will see he has had a pretty stellar rise since then. I would put him in a pretty high risk category for a top 15 pick or even a round 1 pick.
I hear ya my friend (and it is good to hear ya :D) but right next to that group you have another group that says his production was down because of the "Spread" offenses.

Not alot of work for a 0 technique stuffing the run when everyone is chucking it all over the place.

In the end, I agree with both and believe I have him about were he will eventually come off the board.

Marrdro
04-23-2012, 04:13 PM
First on Vikings selection, we have the same two first picks so here i agree very much..

Not really sold on Sanu, because of limited speed - won't stretch the field much.. same with Fuller..

Liking Brandon Thompson, he is good value in the fourth

Im thinking 7th is a little late for picking up an ILB.

Not sold on Phillip Thomas, seems like he has issues with consistansy and characther concerns from what i read, dont know much about him. If you wanna go late round safety, im going Brandon Taylor from LSU.

Ron Brooks is a major sleeper it seems..

I think we are set at RB + its easier to pick up UDFA RB's than other positions it seems..

Not buying in on taking either Trent Richardson and Ryan Tannehill this high, word is Fletcher Cox will go at 6. to the Rams right now..

I disagree with Floyd over Blackmon..

I don't think Peter Konz is a first rounder..

Some people have concerns with Stephen Hills limited numbers, due to the offense he came from.

Mike Adams seems to be out of the first round.

Alfonzo Dennard just got arrested for assualt on a pollice officer last night, so i doubt he goes in the first also.

I think Coby Fleener, Harrison Smith, Nick Perry and Jerel Worthy will end up in the first round, other possible could be Mychal Kendricks, Janoris Jenkins, Doug Martin, Shea McClellin, Kevin Zeitler, Amini Silatulo.. However i agree that there is a big bunch of guys from the 20th and down trough the second round that could fall anywhere in that space.

Dwayne Allen as the last pick in the third is a major steal imo.

If it wasnt for Brandon Weedens age, hed be a first rounder too..

Reuben Randle in the fourth seems very low..

Chris Rainey i think will go later than the 4th..

Brandon Brooks is also a steal in the fourth..

Chase Minnifield in the 5th is also a steal..

Orson Charles will go higher, i know him from Georgia, he is so well spoken - he comminted a mistake with a DUI, but i don't think it will hinder his draft stock to much, great TE prospect..
Cookin dinner. Not enough time between burger flips to address all of this. I'll get back to you as it appears you have some good stuff in here.

tastywaves
04-23-2012, 04:17 PM
LOL, I wish I would have known about Clifton when I did this. :mad:

Poe has me befuddled. Had him and Ta'amu ranked pretty high as this all started out. Think I'm still pretty close were he goes based on scheme and were I put the other DT's.

I'm stilll amazed you would try and put together a 7 round mock for every team, when there isn't a single GM that could tell you what their 7 round picks will be. Of the 220+ picks, how many of them do you get right? I would guess less than 40, and that is not meant as an insult.

tastywaves
04-23-2012, 04:18 PM
I hear ya my friend (and it is good to hear ya :D) but right next to that group you have another group that says his production was down because of the "Spread" offenses.

Not alot of work for a 0 technique stuffing the run when everyone is chucking it all over the place.

In the end, I agree with both and believe I have him about were he will eventually come off the board.

Agreed, his potential is too high to ignore. But I also understand why Morris puts him in his top 3 bust candidates.

Marrdro
04-23-2012, 04:24 PM
I'm stilll amazed you would try and put together a 7 round mock for every team, when there isn't a single GM that could tell you what their 7 round picks will be. Of the 220+ picks, how many of them do you get right? I would guess less than 40, and that is not meant as an insult.
LOL, One year I beat Kiper on just the first 2 rounds. Mayock is the one that amazes me but he makes adjustments to his picks the day before (and sometimes the morning of) the draft. Things like the Clifton retirement really mess my guesses up.

Truth is, when I get into the 3rd round and on, I am just happy to get the position right. Means I understood the teams needs and had a clue on what they were thinking. I haven't really ever kept score but my initial feeling is I get more than 40 of those right.

Marrdro
04-25-2012, 08:30 PM
Ok, my apologies for taking so long at getting back to a good input....


First on Vikings selection, we have the same two first picks so here i agree very much..



Not really sold on Sanu, because of limited speed - won't stretch the field much.. same with Fuller..

I hear ya and agree, but I'm not looking for speedy field stretchers. The scheme doesn't really call for much of that based on the version Musgrove runs. I think they are looking for a couple of guys like Jenkins. Big, tall possesion guys who can also support the run. Again, 2 and 3 TE's on the field with a RB don't give a "Speedy" "Burner" many reps.


Liking Brandon Thompson, he is good value in the fourth
Thanks, I almost burned a 3rd on him but decided to wait to see how far he would go. Alot of DT's taken early, let him slip through.



Im thinking 7th is a little late for picking up an ILB.
Possibly, but I think Jasper will be fine. Besides, I think we will see them bring in a Vet in time for camp to add some insurance. Still haven't figured out who that might be. I know Det hasn't signed Tulloch (sp), or hadn't the last time I checked.


Not sold on Phillip Thomas, seems like he has issues with consistansy and characther concerns from what i read, dont know much about him. If you wanna go late round safety, im going Brandon Taylor from LSU.

I wasn't aware of all of his problems, but you have to admit that 6 INT's is pretty good. Scouting report says (
most in the Big East and tied for third in the country). Probably why he slipped so fare.


Ron Brooks is a major sleeper it seems..

....snicker, I just plugged a name it at this point. Was getting pretty tired.

Actually, CBS has him slated as a 3rd rounder. Others, have him much lower with not alot of reasons why he is spread so far amongst sites other than he is undersized and has had to play behind alot of better CB's.


I think we are set at RB + its easier to pick up UDFA RB's than other positions it seems..

Agree. Problem is, I found alot of mocks and chat sites from around the web that have him going to the Vikes. Not sure why, I assume there was something out there someplace were we might have had him in for a visit and I just can't find it so I put him in there.


Not buying in on taking either Trent Richardson and Ryan Tannehill this high, word is Fletcher Cox will go at 6. to the Rams right now..

Tannehill, I agree but I'm rolling the dice that because of the coaching link they will take him. Cox has been slowly going up since I did this and might bite me in the arse.


I disagree with Floyd over Blackmon..
I like what I see in both of them. My decision here is mostly based on visits.


I don't think Peter Konz is a first rounder..
Most sites have him as the best C, carrying a 1rst/early 2nd grade as a C and rated a bit higher on sites that have him able to play C and G.

Had him slated here, again, scheme and visits.


Some people have concerns with Stephen Hills limited numbers, due to the offense he came from.
Do I have him to high?


Mike Adams seems to be out of the first round.

Just checked CBS...late one, early 2.


Alfonzo Dennard just got arrested for assualt on a pollice officer last night, so i doubt he goes in the first also.

Damn


I think Coby Fleener, Harrison Smith, Nick Perry and Jerel Worthy will end up in the first round, other possible could be Mychal Kendricks, Janoris Jenkins, Doug Martin, Shea McClellin, Kevin Zeitler, Amini Silatulo.. However i agree that there is a big bunch of guys from the 20th and down trough the second round that could fall anywhere in that space.
Not much of anyone who really stands out after the first 15 or so, IMHO. Pretty hard draft to slot players when its like that. Again, using multiple sites this year, I really was able to appreciate how each site differed on their rankings.


Dwayne Allen as the last pick in the third is a major steal imo.

Rated as the 2nd best TE and slated in the second on most sites. Just wasn't impressed with him when a team that needed a TE came up. If memory serves he didn't have much production in college and was really limited in short stuff and didn't really worry DB's and could be covered by a LB.


If it wasnt for Brandon Weedens age, hed be a first rounder too..
I agree, he still might squeak in.


Reuben Randle in the fourth seems very low..
You don't think his limited production over the first 2 years is a flag? He is rated as top 5 WR I just wasn't sure.


Chris Rainey i think will go later than the 4th..

Brandon Brooks is also a steal in the fourth..

Chase Minnifield in the 5th is also a steal..
I'm gonna trust you on these.


Orson Charles will go higher, i know him from Georgia, he is so well spoken - he comminted a mistake with a DUI, but i don't think it will hinder his draft stock to much, great TE prospect..
I will have to watch him. Love it when guys know a player. My nephew (in the Navy) has a Junior Officer that is in charge of him who played with TJ. My nephew hates TJ and hates it the guy ribs on him about it.

I think I need to make you my official scouting department next year and send you my mock ahead of time so I can fix my mistakes.

Again, good stuff my friend. Thanks for taking the time and such a good scrub.

tarkenton10
04-26-2012, 12:02 PM
I'm not sure what your not seeing in Poe that the rest of the "World" is. Again, I don't know the college players good enough to comment on them, however, he is ranked pretty high on most internet boards and the "Ourlads" staff (that the NFL uses) has him in the top 5 DT's.

I think his apprehension is well documented by many people in the know. The conundrum with Poe is that his combine doesn't match his tape!! He is huge, agile and fast when at the combine but look at his tape and he is above average at best. He didn't dominate at the college level, So which player would you get? Will he be a better performer at the pro level or be even worse than his tape shows because he moving up a level or two with the personell that lines up against him on Sundays.

tarkenton10
04-26-2012, 12:05 PM
I hear ya my friend (and it is good to hear ya :D) but right next to that group you have another group that says his production was down because of the "Spread" offenses.

Not alot of work for a 0 technique stuffing the run when everyone is chucking it all over the place.

In the end, I agree with both and believe I have him about were he will eventually come off the board.

I do agree with that assessment, you have him pegged about right. The team that drafts him are huge gamblers though, they have no idea what kind of player they really have, MY FRIEND!!!

Marrdro
04-26-2012, 06:17 PM
I do agree with that assessment, you have him pegged about right. The team that drafts him are huge gamblers though, they have no idea what kind of player they really have, MY FRIEND!!!
LOL, well played Tark. How ya been.

Marrdro
04-26-2012, 06:21 PM
I think his apprehension is well documented by many people in the know. The conundrum with Poe is that his combine doesn't match his tape!! He is huge, agile and fast when at the combine but look at his tape and he is above average at best. He didn't dominate at the college level, So which player would you get? Will he be a better performer at the pro level or be even worse than his tape shows because he moving up a level or two with the personell that lines up against him on Sundays.
I kindof think that alot of stuff comes out about players at the combine, by the press and yutz's like me with a computer when in fact the teams have had the goods on a guy like this the whole time.

My guess, he will go were the teams had him ranked/graded for the last 2 years. Middle to late in the first round.

On a side note, one good thing about not following a college team (like me), you don't get caught up in all the hype. I just read the scouting reports and trust the ones that have usually been right for me over the years.

In this case, "Ourlads" has him about were I have him and in the end, it has nothing to do with the combine, but rather, and here is the rub, based on a lack of cats with his body/build/athleticism.

Warpigs are hard to come by so they usually go a bit higher than they really should.

tastywaves
04-27-2012, 09:05 AM
LOL, One year I beat Kiper on just the first 2 rounds. Mayock is the one that amazes me but he makes adjustments to his picks the day before (and sometimes the morning of) the draft. Things like the Clifton retirement really mess my guesses up.

Truth is, when I get into the 3rd round and on, I am just happy to get the position right. Means I understood the teams needs and had a clue on what they were thinking. I haven't really ever kept score but my initial feeling is I get more than 40 of those right.

How did you do on your first round picks?

tarkenton10
04-27-2012, 09:28 AM
LOL, well played Tark. How ya been.

Very well but very busy as you can tell by my lack of time on here!! how you been doing, big guy?

kevoncox
04-27-2012, 12:03 PM
I kindof think that alot of stuff comes out about players at the combine, by the press and yutz's like me with a computer when in fact the teams have had the goods on a guy like this the whole time.

My guess, he will go were the teams had him ranked/graded for the last 2 years. Middle to late in the first round.

On a side note, one good thing about not following a college team (like me), you don't get caught up in all the hype. I just read the scouting reports and trust the ones that have usually been right for me over the years.

In this case, "Ourlads" has him about were I have him and in the end, it has nothing to do with the combine, but rather, and here is the rub, based on a lack of cats with his body/build/athleticism.

Warpigs are hard to come by so they usually go a bit higher than they really should.

Don't worry Marr,
You will get your warpig with Alameda Ta'amu. Although I fear that we will go with the undersize Mike Martin. I don't like Martin but I like Alameda Ta'amu. He collapses the pocket well and out side of conditioning, his size and runstuffing ability of 350 is a blessing.

Marrdro
04-28-2012, 11:17 PM
Very well but very busy as you can tell by my lack of time on here!! how you been doing, big guy?
Busy as well. Been working 12 hour shifts alot and most of them have been 1 AM to 1 PM. Doesn't leave me much PPO time either.

Marrdro
04-28-2012, 11:20 PM
How did you do on your first round picks?
Not sure yet. I need to do a pick by pick comparison but with all the fricken trades this year its going to be a hard one to figure out.

I know I got the first to Vikes picks right, but they were out of order. I think I should get credit for that.

In a couple of instances, I got the player right for the team but in the wrong round and in a bunch of instances I got the position right, but not the right player.

In the end, it was a great draft. Best I can remember watching.

Marrdro
04-28-2012, 11:24 PM
Don't worry Marr,
You will get your warpig with Alameda Ta'amu. Although I fear that we will go with the undersize Mike Martin. I don't like Martin but I like Alameda Ta'amu. He collapses the pocket well and out side of conditioning, his size and runstuffing ability of 350 is a blessing.
No Warpig my friend. Yet again, lots of help in the backend, but nothing done to fix the real problem.

I did some digging and I think they are really going to stay true to the C2 this year and instead of messing with the T2 they will use their S's alot more to cover LB'r problems and voids as they help the DL more and more.

Unless of course one of these kids can slip in and make me smile.......


Chase Baker, Boise State defensive tackle
Tydreke Powell, North Carolina defensive tackle
Terrell Resonno, Missouri defensive tackle

Marrdro
04-29-2012, 07:42 AM
Knee jerk reaction without reading the entire post:

I will shit myself if we get Sanu in the 3rd round.


More to come.
I wonder, what type of Pooooooo was it? LOL, I was shitting myself. Both him and Ta'amu were sitting there and we passed.

DAMN.......;)

Marrdro
04-29-2012, 07:44 AM
I dont think the S Barron and the DT Poe will go that low. Id say that they will go in between 12-18 overall. Im also gonna make a bold prediction and say GB will trade up and get a LT early in the draft.
I was surprised to see them both go higher than this my friend, but you were right. I did have them slotted pretty low.

You gonna give me credit on Kalil and Smith though?