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singersp
03-26-2012, 07:27 AM
Spielman defended his approach, saying: "I just really believe in doing the due diligence and being patient." He added "there's no hurry for anything" and pointed out that veteran cornerbacks Chris Cook and Antoine Winfield should form a decent foundation for the Vikings' 2012 secondary.

Vikings committed to slow(er) DB rebuild

Vikings committed to slow(er) DB rebuild - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/56150/vikings-committed-to-slower-db-rebuild)

idahovikefan7
03-26-2012, 02:20 PM
Sounds like a great plan! Take your time, don't fix the things that need fixed. Keep signing basketball players first....

kevoncox
03-26-2012, 02:37 PM
Sounds like a great plan! Take your time, don't fix the things that need fixed. Keep signing basketball players first....

:bow: Your powers of sarcasm elicits awe. lol

kevoncox
03-26-2012, 02:47 PM
I understand the thought process....but....Why are we signing guys to 1 year deals?
If you believed they have the talent they have. Why aren't we locking them up for longer contracts at low values. Next season when they all have career years, we wont be able to pay them all and will be back to square one.

i_bleed_purple
03-26-2012, 04:10 PM
I understand the thought process....but....Why are we signing guys to 1 year deals?
If you believed they have the talent they have. Why aren't we locking them up for longer contracts at low values. Next season when they all have career years, we wont be able to pay them all and will be back to square one.

Likely because he doesn't seem them in the Vikings' long term plans.

he sees Erin as a questionmark, give him a shot to prove his worth. The other guys he's signing short-term are simply because there's nothing better available that he wants to lock up long-term. He's obviously not going after big-name players so re-sign some guys, get some depth and draft.

not saying I like it, but that seems to be his mindset.

kevoncox
03-26-2012, 06:46 PM
Likely because he doesn't seem them in the Vikings' long term plans.

he sees Erin as a questionmark, give him a shot to prove his worth. The other guys he's signing short-term are simply because there's nothing better available that he wants to lock up long-term. He's obviously not going after big-name players so re-sign some guys, get some depth and draft.

not saying I like it, but that seems to be his mindset.

Name a team that has won anything by changing starters every year?

CPonderFan
03-26-2012, 06:50 PM
he's putting purple jerseys on the roster. Its clear to me that the only position that we havent signed someone this off season has been WR... Dont be surprised if Blackmon is a Viking.

CPonderFan
03-26-2012, 06:53 PM
** Edit to previous post**

Yes we have signed WRs (Taylor and Adams) but I meant football players :)

skum
03-26-2012, 10:41 PM
Kris Adams is pretty good, i hope he makes the team next year..

Our faith is in the hands of Spielman and we need an awesome draft with nearly everyone working out, hopefully he can give it to us, however he recently said we had a good draft last year and i didn't see any of our picks actually doing something significant on the field.. So i don't know what his standards is.

singersp
03-27-2012, 06:07 AM
I understand the thought process....but....Why are we signing guys to 1 year deals?

It's so when Wilf fires Spielman after being GM for 1 year, his 1 year players can go with him. The real GM they hire next may not want them.

C Mac D
03-29-2012, 10:58 AM
Anyone think we should be trying to get Asante Samuel? Or anyone really?

Rick Spielman is going to prove to be one of the worst GMs in the league (again). I hate that he's with this team.

tarkenton10
03-30-2012, 10:43 AM
Anyone think we should be trying to get Asante Samuel? Or anyone really?

Rick Spielman is going to prove to be one of the worst GMs in the league (again). I hate that he's with this team.

I am not so sure, let's look at it this way, we build through the draft and get better slowly but we have a better foundation. If we build through the draft and get some really good young players but they need to learn and mistakes the first year so we finish in the bottom ten. We get a high draft pick next year and stock pile more young pleayers who have talent but need to learn the game, so we finish near the bottom again. Now we have had three years of high draft choices and the players who are now in their second and third year are coming of age and we now have a very godd AND YOUNG team. Now in three years we can compete and now go out and get one or two really good free agents and make a run at a super bowl. At least that's how I see what Speilman could be doing. If you get free agents now what will it do for us, make us mediocre and lower our draft choices and waste valuable money on free agents who will probably be gone just when we are good enough to make a run IMO!

marshallvike
03-30-2012, 06:44 PM
I am not so sure, let's look at it this way, we build through the draft and get better slowly but we have a better foundation. If we build through the draft and get some really good young players but they need to learn and mistakes the first year so we finish in the bottom ten. We get a high draft pick next year and stock pile more young pleayers who have talent but need to learn the game, so we finish near the bottom again. Now we have had three years of high draft choices and the players who are now in their second and third year are coming of age and we now have a very godd AND YOUNG team. Now in three years we can compete and now go out and get one or two really good free agents and make a run at a super bowl. At least that's how I see what Speilman could be doing. If you get free agents now what will it do for us, make us mediocre and lower our draft choices and waste valuable money on free agents who will probably be gone just when we are good enough to make a run IMO!

I love that story tark10.
I just hope Spielmillen is up to the task.

PackSux!
03-30-2012, 08:55 PM
Anyone think we should be trying to get Asante Samuel? Or anyone really?

Rick Spielman is going to prove to be one of the worst GMs in the league (again). I hate that he's with this team.

How much is the asking price for a 31 year old has been? More than likely to much. Since he left the patriots he has never been the same. For somebody who hated Chilly so much you seem to be in the same mindset. Let's go after lame ass Eagles!

You realize the Eagles were replaceing Samuel when the signed Nhamdi right?

CPonderFan
03-30-2012, 09:42 PM
ummm...There are few CBs in the league that would be second to Nhamdi

PackSux!
03-30-2012, 11:31 PM
ummm...There are few CBs in the league that would be second to Nhamdi

Ummm.... And remind me how good Nhamdi did in a new system? Second to Nhamdi? I can name a few that outperformed Nhamdi this season. So the question should be how many corners is Nhamdi second too?

Because a corner is good in one system does not make them good in all systems. Nhamdi proved that last season. We will see how long it takes him to catch on to the eagles defense. Can samuel adapt to a new system as fast at his age? more than likely not.

CPonderFan
03-31-2012, 03:31 PM
Ummm.... And remind me how good Nhamdi did in a new system? Second to Nhamdi? I can name a few that outperformed Nhamdi this season. So the question should be how many corners is Nhamdi second too?

Because a corner is good in one system does not make them good in all systems. Nhamdi proved that last season. We will see how long it takes him to catch on to the eagles defense. Can samuel adapt to a new system as fast at his age? more than likely not.

LOLZ!!! Dude Nhamdi is second to none when it comes to man to man shutdown coverage. Last season who was the Eagles DC? Was that his first time ever DCing? What kind of coach was he the season before he was promoted to DC? Exactly...What were the Eagles playing like at the end of the season? In case you dont know his name was Juan Castillo, former OL coach, and yes he is still the Eagles DC!! - Why I dont know, but the players didnt believe in him at the begininning of the season, but by the end of the season they started to get confidence in his play calling.

Nhamdi will return to form thsi season and the Eagles are going to Win the NFC East

bleedpurple
04-02-2012, 11:06 AM
I love that story tark10.
I just hope Spielmillen is up to the task.

I have little faith our coaches can develop talent as well as Spielman have the ability to pick the talent... two fold problem if you ask me!!

singersp
04-02-2012, 12:29 PM
I am not so sure, let's look at it this way, we build through the draft and get better slowly but we have a better foundation. If we build through the draft and get some really good young players but they need to learn and mistakes the first year so we finish in the bottom ten. We get a high draft pick next year and stock pile more young pleayers who have talent but need to learn the game, so we finish near the bottom again. Now we have had three years of high draft choices and the players who are now in their second and third year are coming of age and we now have a very good AND YOUNG team. Now in three years we can compete and now go out and get one or two really good free agents and make a run at a super bowl. At least that's how I see what Speilman could be doing. If you get free agents now what will it do for us, make us mediocre and lower our draft choices and waste valuable money on free agents who will probably be gone just when we are good enough to make a run IMO!

Problem is 3 years from now IF we have drafted anyone good, how many of those or our current veteran good players will we lose to FA because they're sick of playing on a bad team? How many of our good playesr that we have now will be cut by Spielman to provide cap space? That would include JA, Harvin, Greenway, AD, K-Rud & possibly Ponder in those scenarios.

What is AD going to be worth in 3 years? Do we trade him now?

What is your confidence level that Spielman will draft good in the next 3 years? It's a wait & see but IMO, I don't believe he will have fantastic drafts 3 years running.

If he was that good, he'd still be GM in Miami.


The last major player of the Dave Wannstedt Era finally ushered himself out.

Good thing. Otherwise, Nick Saban would have done it for him.

As a scout and researcher, ex-Dolphin General Manager Rick Spielman has few peers. His attention to detail and his capacity for work have earned him praise and respect throughout the NFL. He knows how to properly run a personnel department and he does it as well as anyone in the business.

During Spielman�s tenure, the Dolphin personnel department was improved in many ways, including the addition of more scouts, more comprehensive college and pro personnel reporting, and rapid information sharing at the point of need.

Unfortunately, all of the above is for naught if the due diligence cannot be consistently converted into sound decisions. In this regard, Spielman was a failure in Miami.

In 2004, the price of this failure was paid for with a 4-12 record. 4-12 is what happens when a team doesn�t have the talent to win.

Spielman Leaves Mixed Legacy in Miami (http://www.phins.com/chris/column_060905.html)

Detroit tried building a team thru the draft with not so good GM. How many years has it taken them again?

bleedpurple
04-02-2012, 12:36 PM
Problem is 3 years from now IF we have drafted anyone good, how many of those or our current veteran good players will we lose to FA because they're sick of playing on a bad team? How many of our good playesr that we have now will be cut by Spielman to provide cap space? That would include JA, Harvin, Greenway, AD, K-Rud & possibly Ponder in those scenarios.

What is AD going to be worth in 3 years? Do we trade him now?

What is your confidence level that Spielman will draft good in the next 3 years? It's a wait & see but IMO, I don't believe he will have fantastic drafts 3 years running.

If he was that good, he'd still be GM in Miami.



Spielman Leaves Mixed Legacy in Miami (http://www.phins.com/chris/column_060905.html)

there's no way any of those dudes get cut anytime soon.... They should still all be here for a long time... With the exception of Greenway.... He needs to restructure.. he's well over-paid... $10M for a LB that can't cover is entirely too much....

We shoulda let him walk for that price....

singersp
04-02-2012, 12:59 PM
there's no way any of those dudes get cut anytime soon.... They should still all be here for a long time... With the exception of Greenway.... He needs to restructure.. he's well over-paid... $10M for a LB that can't cover is entirely too much....

We shoulda let him walk for that price....

They don't necessarily have to be cut.

JA, Harvin & Robison are FA in 2014. Winfield will also be gone that year. Kluwe's a FA also.

Ponder, K-Rud, K-Will & Longwell are FA's in 2015.

That's the 3 years out.

In 2016 many of the ones we draft this year will probably be FA's as well. So if we hit on any of them, we risk losing them to FA.

So not only do we have to fill the multiple holes we have, we have to draft players to replace the good ones we will lose to FA.

How many of them will want to remain on a losing team?

Rebuilding via the draft to sign players who will replace your aged ones is one thing. Trying to build a team by simply plugging several starting holes with unknown draft picks or mediocre FA's is another.

You do need to draft enough good FA's along the way to keep your team competitive.

3-13 is not competitive. Cutting good players or letting them walk in the wake of that season & then trying to replace those starters with FA's who few people have heard & were other teams castaways of or with players who haven't even played pro football isn't going to magically make you competitive again.

You need both a very solid draft & bring in some FA's that will help you stay in the hunt for the playoffs each year.

bleedpurple
04-02-2012, 01:57 PM
They don't necessarily have to be cut.

JA, Harvin & Robison are FA in 2014. Winfield will also be gone that year. Kluwe's a FA also.

Ponder, K-Rud, K-Will & Longwell are FA's in 2015.

That's the 3 years out.

In 2016 many of the ones we draft this year will probably be FA's as well. So if we hit on any of them, we risk losing them to FA.

So not only do we have to fill the multiple holes we have, we have to draft players to replace the good ones we will lose to FA.

How many of them will want to remain on a losing team?

Rebuilding via the draft to sign players who will replace your aged ones is one thing. Trying to build a team by simply plugging several starting holes with unknown draft picks or mediocre FA's is another.

You do need to draft enough good FA's along the way to keep your team competitive.

3-13 is not competitive. Cutting good players or letting them walk in the wake of that season & then trying to replace those starters with FA's who few people have heard & were other teams castaways of or with players who haven't even played pro football isn't going to magically make you competitive again.

You need both a very solid draft & bring in some FA's that will help you stay in the hunt for the playoffs each year.

your assuming we will loos all those guys to FA... as far as Allen, Harvin, and robison... there are things like tenders and franchise tags we can use on them.. A large reason I think we are not spending too much this FA period...

But I think we will be able to re-up a majority or our key players.. JA will be tricky bc he's getting up there in age.. but still doable..

Williams is in his 30's.. he may be gone.. Rudolph.. He will prob be re-upped or restricted FA.. so we'll keep most of these guys your talking about...

but there's always a risk guys walk.. no more than usual though...

singersp
04-02-2012, 03:35 PM
your assuming we will loos all those guys to FA... as far as Allen, Harvin, and robison... there are things like tenders and franchise tags we can use on them.. A large reason I think we are not spending too much this FA period...

But I think we will be able to re-up a majority or our key players.. JA will be tricky bc he's getting up there in age.. but still doable..

Williams is in his 30's.. he may be gone.. Rudolph.. He will prob be re-upped or restricted FA.. so we'll keep most of these guys your talking about...

but there's always a risk guys walk.. no more than usual though...

Nope, I'm not assuming we'll lose them all, but whichever ones we lose, we need to replace.

The franchise tag can only be used on 1 player & not many of our guys are worth the tag. JA is one of the only ones I believe are worth the tag.

PackSux!
04-02-2012, 06:46 PM
Kluwe is worth the tage.

bleedpurple
04-03-2012, 01:26 PM
Nope, I'm not assuming we'll lose them all, but whichever ones we lose, we need to replace.

The franchise tag can only be used on 1 player & not many of our guys are worth the tag. JA is one of the only ones I believe are worth the tag.

by the time his contract is up he may be in his 30's and not worth the tag... the NFL is a what have you done for me lately business.. if JA falls off , he won't get the tag... whenever his contract is up...

Dont forget the the tender tag... we can tender fA's and keep them off the market or get compensation.