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Marrdro
03-02-2012, 04:24 AM
Chicago Bears: Bears need help at tight end - chicagotribune.com (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0301-pompei-nfl--20120301,0,2606399.column)

They better get Shanc a deal this year. Drafting one is out of the question.

Johnson14
03-03-2012, 04:21 AM
Shianc has not done anything the past 2 years to warrant any kind of big money deal, if he is willing to get an "ok" deal here then cool, but if he wants paying then no thanks. Glimpses I've seen of Rudolph I have been impressed with, his size and hands, kid looks a player.

PackSux!
03-03-2012, 09:27 AM
Shank is on the decline and even if he was a Viking next season I see his production go down a ton since Rudolph will see alot more playing time and he has better hands than shank. Save the money for another player is what I say.

Marrdro
03-06-2012, 08:29 AM
Shank is on the decline and even if he was a Viking next season I see his production go down a ton since Rudolph will see alot more playing time and he has better hands than shank. Save the money for another player is what I say.
Not sure I agree in total my friend, especially if ole Musgrove continues to run 2 and 3 TE sets, you have to have more than just Rudy.

Can't get an instant fix in this draft class and FA looks pretty slim. Leaves you with Shanc. Of course that doesn't mean you give top dollar though.

Besides, I'm not so sure that Shanc was used as much in the passing game as he was in the blocking game last year, much like we saw his first year on the team.

Marrdro
03-06-2012, 08:31 AM
Shianc has not done anything the past 2 years to warrant any kind of big money deal, if he is willing to get an "ok" deal here then cool, but if he wants paying then no thanks. Glimpses I've seen of Rudolph I have been impressed with, his size and hands, kid looks a player.
Thats the point though isn't it. We only saw glimpses of Rudy as well? Why? It isn't like Musgrove was working them that hard other than the number of times they ran onto the field.

Again, based on our need, a crappy draft class and not much out there in the way of FA that we can afford, I think we see Shanc back and a bit more productive.

tastywaves
03-06-2012, 03:13 PM
I think we should try and get shank back at market value, which shouldn't break the bank.

I expect Rudolph will have a lot more involvement this year and could takeover as the primary TE target for Ponder, but having Shank on the roster with him for another year or two is probably money well spent.

FuadFan
03-06-2012, 05:36 PM
Not sure I agree in total my friend, especially if ole Musgrove continues to run 2 and 3 TE sets, you have to have more than just Rudy.

Can't get an instant fix in this draft class and FA looks pretty slim. Leaves you with Shanc. Of course that doesn't mean you give top dollar though.

Besides, I'm not so sure that Shanc was used as much in the passing game as he was in the blocking game last year, much like we saw his first year on the team.

Personally Marrdro I'd rather go after the Bears TE Kellen Davis over Shiancoe. He is a big younger guy that I believe has potential that he didn't get to use due to Martz and his antiquated idea that you can't have a TE as a weapon in the offense.

Now I'm not sure if he would be cheap to get but that would be what would make more sense with our rebuilding team.

12purplepride28
03-06-2012, 11:02 PM
Just promote Allen Reisner and roll with him and Rudy

i_bleed_purple
03-06-2012, 11:25 PM
Thats the point though isn't it. We only saw glimpses of Rudy as well? Why? It isn't like Musgrove was working them that hard other than the number of times they ran onto the field.

Again, based on our need, a crappy draft class and not much out there in the way of FA that we can afford, I think we see Shanc back and a bit more productive.

Problem is Shank sees himself as one of the leaders of the team. He's not going to accept a pay cut, certainly not making less than Rudolph does. Shank will want money, and he'll get it because teams will be needing an athletic TE who can catch the ball. Shank has skills, but we haven't shown the ability to get him the ball. Yeah, he's very helpful in the blocking game, but he'll go somewhere that will use him as a receiver.

Marrdro
03-07-2012, 06:03 AM
Problem is Shank sees himself as one of the leaders of the team. He's not going to accept a pay cut, certainly not making less than Rudolph does. Shank will want money, and he'll get it because teams will be needing an athletic TE who can catch the ball. Shank has skills, but we haven't shown the ability to get him the ball. Yeah, he's very helpful in the blocking game, but he'll go somewhere that will use him as a receiver.
I'm not so sure we can say what Shanc will or won't do.

I think it is safe to say that any inline TE that has even marginal skills, will get over paid this year.

Because of that, I think its safe to say that Shanc might not be back. Not because of his attitude, but because of what he will make and that is probably more than we can pay this year.

Marrdro
03-07-2012, 06:04 AM
Just promote Allen Reisner and roll with him and Rudy
Agree. Still mystifies me why we didn't see more of him last year, especially considering how ole Musgrove called plays.

Marrdro
03-07-2012, 06:05 AM
Personally Marrdro I'd rather go after the Bears TE Kellen Davis over Shiancoe. He is a big younger guy that I believe has potential that he didn't get to use due to Martz and his antiquated idea that you can't have a TE as a weapon in the offense.

Now I'm not sure if he would be cheap to get but that would be what would make more sense with our rebuilding team.
As always, great stuff my friend, and I agree, he is a much better option and fits with the "Get younger" mantra we have been hearing, but 10mil doesn't give you many options when it comes to FA's this year.

Marrdro
03-07-2012, 06:08 AM
I think we should try and get shank back at market value, which shouldn't break the bank.

I expect Rudolph will have a lot more involvement this year and could takeover as the primary TE target for Ponder, but having Shank on the roster with him for another year or two is probably money well spent.
I agree. Let Rudy take over the main work load and keep Shanc if its reasonable. Again, rationale behind that is the draft class is terrible and FA is even worse....

KFFL - 2012 NFL Free Agents (http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=TE&y=2012)

jmcdon00
03-07-2012, 11:21 AM
I agree. Let Rudy take over the main work load and keep Shanc if its reasonable. Again, rationale behind that is the draft class is terrible and FA is even worse....

KFFL - 2012 NFL Free Agents (http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=TE&y=2012)

Which is also why Shank won't be reasonable.

midgensa
03-07-2012, 02:04 PM
Meh ... the FA class is not THAT bad.

Shank will likely want too much dough to keep around so we need to fill it elsewhere. We can easily get similar production out of a player like Jacob Tamme, Marcedes Lewis (who killed his value with a bad 2011), Kellen Davis, Scott Chandler, John Carlson or Martellus Bennett.

There is plenty there to bring in if Shank commands too high.

AngloVike
03-07-2012, 03:28 PM
I'm not so sure we can say what Shanc will or won't do.

I think it is safe to say that any inline TE that has even marginal skills, will get over paid this year.

Because of that, I think its safe to say that Shanc might not be back. Not because of his attitude, but because of what he will make and that is probably more than we can pay this year.

so he can pull an 'Edwards' then.. get overpaid for minimal production. He's played well before but his opinion on what he does for the team doesn't always match up with his performance. Now is the time to make better use of Rudolph as I think the kid has a lot to offer and has the chance to build a good relationship with Ponder.

vikinggreg
03-14-2012, 08:57 AM
Thats the point though isn't it. We only saw glimpses of Rudy as well? Why? It isn't like Musgrove was working them that hard other than the number of times they ran onto the field.

Again, based on our need, a crappy draft class and not much out there in the way of FA that we can afford, I think we see Shanc back and a bit more productive.

Well he was a junior coming out of college that missed a good chunk of his last season in Notre Dame, that and no mini camps with a shorten preseason probably hampered some of his transition to the pro game.

On the upside it looks like John Carlson is swinging through the twin cities it appears that he's looking for greener grass (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/60833/grass-could-appear-greener-to-john-carlson) than Seattle


illustrates the costs of quarterback and scheme instability

So he's looking a KC and the Vikings for quarterback stability......some might say wow how bad are things in Seattle :think: