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singersp
02-22-2012, 05:26 AM
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Rick Spielman's Draft History

Rick Spielman's Draft History - Daily Norseman (http://www.dailynorseman.com/2012/1/14/2707724/rick-spielmans-draft-history)

singersp
02-22-2012, 05:41 AM
More Spielman disparagement.....


nothing doomed Spielman more than his penchant for trading away valuable draft picks and failing to secure fair compensation for key players lost to free agency.


There are still more examples to cite, like questionable free agent signings (e.g. Derrius Thompson), re-signings (Jay Fiedler), and Spielman�s poor track record of success in the upper rounds of the draft.

You get the idea.

Spielman never did. Rather, he was mystified how others couldn�t see the brilliance of his decisions. In his own world, he was a genius.


Spielman Leaves Mixed Legacy in Miami (http://www.phins.com/chris/column_060905.html)

singersp
02-22-2012, 05:43 AM
Who has a warm fuzzy of our upcoming 3rd round pick now with Spielman being GM?

jargomcfargo
02-22-2012, 03:22 PM
Who has a warm fuzzy of our upcoming 3rd round pick now with Spielman being GM?

It's moving up the board to reach for players that bothers me most. It wastes draft picks and squanders draft capital.
Perhaps he does it because he lacks the ability to spot mid and late round talent.
Giving away picks is no way to build a team.

vikinggreg
02-22-2012, 03:40 PM
Its not like he was the mastermind that did the Herschel Walker deal or drafted 2 first round busts in the same year like Troy Williamson and Erasmus James only to get 7th round picks in return when unloading them or draft a guy in the first round that decides he isn't going to play football like Underwood............Spielman hopefully doesn't try to out do any of those

NodakPaul
02-22-2012, 04:42 PM
It is always easy to nitpick draft decisions with the benefit of hindsight. I would like to see how Speilman's drafts have compared against all the other GMs or draft decision makers. My honest guess is that he is in the top half.

Almost every team makes moves on draft day - some work out, but to be honest most don't. There are 254 people selected each draft, yet if we see 20 of them live up to their predictions, it is a very good year. Hell, that is only about 1/3 of the players selected in the first two rounds. That is a lot of room for failure, so looking at any one person in isolation will likely give you a negative impression of their scouting abilities.

battleaxe4cheese
02-22-2012, 07:35 PM
Who has a warm fuzzy of our upcoming 3rd round pick now with Spielman being GM?

I definitely do, but in all fairness I would venture to say it is from all the booze in my system right now. I am pretty confident the vikes are doomed as long as Rick is out there burning up valuable draft picks on meatheads. I know people are saying we can't screw up this draft but I have low expectations for these circus clowns....

marshallvike
02-23-2012, 10:28 AM
It is always easy to nitpick draft decisions with the benefit of hindsight. I would like to see how Speilman's drafts have compared against all the other GMs or draft decision makers. My honest guess is that he is in the top half.

Almost every team makes moves on draft day - some work out, but to be honest most don't. There are 254 people selected each draft, yet if we see 20 of them live up to their predictions, it is a very good year. Hell, that is only about 1/3 of the players selected in the first two rounds. That is a lot of room for failure, so looking at any one person in isolation will likely give you a negative impression of their scouting abilities.

Agreed.
The teams that are consistently successful in the draft are the teams that draft players that fit their system and then DEVELOPE those players. You need a staff that can teach their players. The Pukers are not drafting better players than us every year, they are developing the players they draft.
(I think I just threw up a little in my mouth, praising the Pukers.)

tastywaves
02-23-2012, 11:40 AM
Agreed.
The teams that are consistently successful in the draft are the teams that draft players that fit their system and then DEVELOPE those players. You need a staff that can teach their players. The Pukers are not drafting better players than us every year, they are developing the players they draft.
(I think I just threw up a little in my mouth, praising the Pukers.)

That's the way I see it as well. Not so much the actual pick that determines a players eventual success as it is the organization that they get put into.

That being said, the mental makeup of the pick is probably as important as the physical which is much harder to evaluate. Good teams probably focus more on it.

singersp
02-24-2012, 07:40 AM
Problem is a lot of times we sign players/FA's that play great in another system & then try & change them to fit ours. Players that play great in one system don't always play great in another, but our coaching staff seems to be oblivious to it.

Then there are players that play at a high level that they seldom use. Case in point: Kyle Rudolph. There were games were they did it with Harvin as well.

vikinggreg
02-24-2012, 09:54 AM
Problem is a lot of times we sign players/FA's that play great in another system & then try & change them to fit ours. Players that play great in one system don't always play great in another, but our coaching staff seems to be oblivious to it.

Then there are players that play at a high level that they seldom use. Case in point: Kyle Rudolph. There were games were they did it with Harvin as well.

Rudolph was a rookie, with Shank and Kleinsasser also being on the roster limited some of his use, as for Harvin IMHO he was burntout in the first half of games by using him at rb, slot and a returner (also seem to recall an article about limiting his reps to prevent the migraines).

As for the free agents he was part of the triangle but how far back are you going with this, to Fred Smoot? Since 2006 when he came here some big ticket players have been brought in like Favre, Allen or Hutch, while Madieu Williams and Bernard Berrian have been a reach but I don't recall them being great before they arrived.

mountainviking
02-24-2012, 10:38 AM
Spielman never did. Rather, he was mystified how others couldn�t see the brilliance of his decisions. In his own world, he was a genius.

Oh NOOOOO!! Its Childress all over again!?!?!?!??? ;0

mountainviking
02-24-2012, 10:54 AM
Then there are players that play at a high level that they seldom use. Case in point: Kyle Rudolph. There were games were they did it with Harvin as well.

That bothers me too, but in Harvin's case you always wonder about the migraines too...did he say something on the sideline that made coaches nervous? Rudolf will be a starter this year, Jimmy K is gone and Shank won't be back unless he accepts a moderate contract.

The only draft I'm grading Spielman on is last year's. Chiller clearly had final say in the previous ones and the Williamson-James fiasco can most properly be blamed on McDickCombs for cutting our staff to spiderweb thin before he sold us.

Even tho nobody wanted to admit it, our rebuilding started last year, And, not having an offseason/free agency made it important to get more late picks last year than most. Spielman did that and we got some potential with those 4 6th round picks. Too early to tell for sure, but he did what was needed, so, Not Bad first draft.

vikinggreg
02-24-2012, 11:14 AM
That bothers me too, but in Harvin's case you always wonder about the migraines too...did he say something on the sideline that made coaches nervous? Rudolf will be a starter this year, Jimmy K is gone and Shank won't be back unless he accepts a moderate contract.

The only draft I'm grading Spielman on is last year's. Chiller clearly had final say in the previous ones and the Williamson-James fiasco can most properly be blamed on McDickCombs for cutting our staff to spiderweb thin before he sold us.

Even tho nobody wanted to admit it, our rebuilding started last year, And, not having an offseason/free agency made it important to get more late picks last year than most. Spielman did that and we got some potential with those 4 6th round picks. Too early to tell for sure, but he did what was needed, so, Not Bad first draft.

Spielmans first draft with the Vikings was 2007 so he wasn't there for the James/Williamson draft and 2006 was the year Foley and Chilly had some issues and Tjack was picked that year....Foley was later shown the door over padding his resume and Spielman was brought in.