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singersp
02-08-2012, 05:24 AM
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Vikings should attempt to sign Peyton Manning

Bob Sansevere: Vikings should attempt to sign Peyton Manning - TwinCities.com (http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_19905293)

vikinggreg
02-08-2012, 09:40 AM
Well that wasn't what I'd call a deep article exploring why the Vikings should sign him


If he's fit enough to play

That really remains to be seen, but how about if he's a fit for this team. Peyton ran a spread offense not a west coast system so which changes, I'm sure over some time he could learn any scheme but how many lumps does he take to learn it and how long do the Vikings wait for this to happen. All that we need to look at if we're going that route is Favre with the Jets a system new to him over going to the Vikings a team that ran a system he was used too in a division he was familiar with and a bonus of directly facing a team he had something to prove. Add to that the Vikings were a deeper team at the time and the cap wasn't an issue.


You'd have to think Manning would enjoy handing off to Adrian Peterson

Probably would....when Adrian is back to 100%, hope that does happen this season but certainly isn't a sure thing to start the season.


The word is, Manning is willing to sign an incentive-loaded contract and won't be demanding big up-front money. So he wouldn't be a huge financial risk

Well the Vikings do take the hit on the incentives on their cap space in the first year and would get any un-used space back the following year so their is risk if the incentive are large and we don't get to use that space this year to fill other needs.

When Favre came here after things didn't work out for him with the Jets we had the cap space and the defense to support him, he was in a division and system he was comfortable with and we had 2 experince backups behind him and that was risky. For Manning we really have none of that so I guess we'd be sitting in the same position the Jets were in when they with a weaker defense and o line.


throwing the ball to Percy Harvin

That's pretty much all we have for him at the moment

tastywaves
02-08-2012, 10:32 AM
Petyon Manning behind our OL, I don't think so. Surely he values his legs more than that.

It was kind of fun watching Favre get the shit beat out of him, but not sure I want to see us destroy another HOF QB.

midgensa
02-08-2012, 02:26 PM
Petyon Manning behind our OL, I don't think so. Surely he values his legs more than that.

It was kind of fun watching Favre get the shit beat out of him, but not sure I want to see us destroy another HOF QB.

Peyton Manning did fine behind that Colts offensive line for years (with Charlie Johnson blocking on his blind side). I am not saying that we don't need to upgrade at O-line, but a good quarterback automatically makes a line look a lot better than it is. Peyton doesn't get hit because he gets rid of the ball faster than people can get to him. That will continue no matter what line he plays with.

marshallvike
02-08-2012, 04:04 PM
Really?

i_bleed_purple
02-08-2012, 04:16 PM
Well that wasn't what I'd call a deep article exploring why the Vikings should sign him



That really remains to be seen, but how about if he's a fit for this team. Peyton ran a spread offense not a west coast system so which changes, I'm sure over some time he could learn any scheme but how many lumps does he take to learn it and how long do the Vikings wait for this to happen. All that we need to look at if we're going that route is Favre with the Jets a system new to him over going to the Vikings a team that ran a system he was used too in a division he was familiar with and a bonus of directly facing a team he had something to prove. Add to that the Vikings were a deeper team at the time and the cap wasn't an issue.



Probably would....when Adrian is back to 100%, hope that does happen this season but certainly isn't a sure thing to start the season.



Well the Vikings do take the hit on the incentives on their cap space in the first year and would get any un-used space back the following year so their is risk if the incentive are large and we don't get to use that space this year to fill other needs.

When Favre came here after things didn't work out for him with the Jets we had the cap space and the defense to support him, he was in a division and system he was comfortable with and we had 2 experince backups behind him and that was risky. For Manning we really have none of that so I guess we'd be sitting in the same position the Jets were in when they with a weaker defense and o line.



That's pretty much all we have for him at the moment

You might recall that Favre actually had a fantastic first half of the season with the Jets until he got hurt, which he was still voted to the pro-bowl.

Dibbzz
02-09-2012, 12:50 PM
As fun as it may be to entertain the idea of bringing in Manning, it would be putting our franchise back another 3-4 years. Idea being that, in this new NFL it's all about developing a young quarterback and building around him. Manning would be good for a couple of years and then what? Throw in Christian Ponder after sitting on the bench for three years and hope for no drop off? Or do we then draft yet another quarterback in the draft after Manning retires? Sorry, as fun as it may be for a short-term solution to have a future hall of fame quarter for a couple of years we truthfully are better off sticking with our guns and putting some better pieces around the guy we have now to protect his blindside and to give him some targets to throw to in the offseason.

Besides, I see a team like the Jets, Dolphins or Redskins throwing a lot of money at him to play. I really just don't see us trying to go the route of veteran quarterback yet again.

ShowingMyHorns
02-09-2012, 01:18 PM
No! No more stop gap, quick patch, veteran QBs to this team. Didnt we learn this season? Or the Season before? Or like 4 times before that? Ponder will be just fine with decent protection and one more playmaker at wideout. 1. Too be named 2. Percy 3. Jenkins 4. Aromoshodu, Rudolf.... and shincoe? we need alot of other things before another 35 year old injured QB.

12purplepride28
02-09-2012, 04:53 PM
I'd just like to get it out there that there is a huge different between Frerotte (sp?), Brad Johnson, Bollinger, and Mcnabb vs. PEYTON MANNING! If healthy he was expected to play at an elite level for 4-5 more years then drop off to being above average. This is on of the best in the history of the game that if healthy, could produce at a high level for several more years.

That being said, I don't want him.

Bubba Jed
02-10-2012, 11:01 AM
Let's first get our secondary better before we get another vetern quarterback. Ponder did good with what we had last year. Let's build up our defense and our O-line so we can still have a fighting chance after the second half of games with our first half leads.

ShowingMyHorns
02-10-2012, 11:33 AM
I'd just like to get it out there that there is a huge different between Frerotte (sp?), Brad Johnson, Bollinger, and Mcnabb vs. PEYTON MANNING! If healthy he was expected to play at an elite level for 4-5 more years then drop off to being above average. This is on of the best in the history of the game that if healthy, could produce at a high level for several more years.

That being said, I don't want him.

Fact of the matter is he isn't healthy. And most likely wont be playing at a high level for 4-5 years. He cant even throw the ball to the left really. So it really isn't worth discussing.

jmcdon00
02-27-2012, 02:05 PM
Vikings definitely need to look long and hard at the possibility of bringing in a a passer of his caliber. He might be the best to ever play the game. I fully expect him to a make a full recover from the neck surgery.
Draft Kalil and WR in the 2nd and our offense gets really scary.

midgensa
02-27-2012, 02:43 PM
Vikings definitely need to look long and hard at the possibility of bringing in a a passer of his caliber. He might be the best to ever play the game. I fully expect him to a make a full recover from the neck surgery.
Draft Kalil and WR in the 2nd and our offense gets really scary.

I was actually thinking about all of that just the other day.

I think Ponder/Webb could learn plenty from someone like Manning and this is a big difference from even Favre. This guy should still have 4 years left give or take if he really is healthy ... and he is rumored to be willing to sign a very incentive-laden contract.

Why not take a chance? This is not Warren Moon at the end of his career. This is not Randall Cunningham or Jeff George. This is not Brad Johnson or Donovan McNabb. This is Peyton Manning.

It should at least be explored. Especially if we think we can add Kalil at No. 3 and then ad a Jeffery type in the second round.

kjdaddy
02-28-2012, 02:42 PM
Kalil.

midgensa
02-28-2012, 03:36 PM
Kalil.

Tons of depth there in that post. I can see quickly how it relates to Peyton Manning.

i_bleed_purple
02-28-2012, 04:07 PM
I was actually thinking about all of that just the other day.

I think Ponder/Webb could learn plenty from someone like Manning and this is a big difference from even Favre. This guy should still have 4 years left give or take if he really is healthy ... and he is rumored to be willing to sign a very incentive-laden contract.

Why not take a chance? This is not Warren Moon at the end of his career. This is not Randall Cunningham or Jeff George. This is not Brad Johnson or Donovan McNabb. This is Peyton Manning.

It should at least be explored. Especially if we think we can add Kalil at No. 3 and then ad a Jeffery type in the second round.

Adding Kalil, Jeffrey with 1 and 2, then Manning and maybe a G in FA would make us an instantly scary offense.

midgensa
02-28-2012, 04:55 PM
Adding Kalil, Jeffrey with 1 and 2, then Manning and maybe a G in FA would make us an instantly scary offense.


I agree. We would be able to score with other teams. And that is the way of the NFL these days. Have to be able to put up 30 when you need to.

Lippythelion69
02-28-2012, 05:01 PM
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Vikings should attempt to sign Peyton Manning

Bob Sansevere: Vikings should attempt to sign Peyton Manning - TwinCities.com (http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_19905293)
who will block for him?........RGIII could a least run away from getting killed

jmcdon00
02-28-2012, 05:33 PM
who will block for him?........RGIII could a least run away from getting killed
That's the best part, we get to use the third pick on Kalil, who instantly upgrades our pass protection.
RGIII would be sick too, but I doubt he is available at #3.
Manning costs us nothing in terms of draft picks or players. Just cash, but the owner will get all that plus some back in jersey and ticket sales.

midgensa
02-29-2012, 01:25 PM
That's the best part, we get to use the third pick on Kalil, who instantly upgrades our pass protection.
RGIII would be sick too, but I doubt he is available at #3.
Manning costs us nothing in terms of draft picks or players. Just cash, but the owner will get all that plus some back in jersey and ticket sales.

Yeah ... as a few have been stating here.

Draft Kalil at No. 3. Draft Jeffery at No. 35. Sign Peyton Manning and his buddy Reggie Wayne. Bingo! Our offense moves into very scary territory. Can you imagine Manning, Peterson, Harvin, Wayne, Rudolph and Jeffery running out there?

Sure, it does not address the secondary as much as I would like, but there is a plethora of good secondary talent in this draft and in FA that we could still try to stockpile.

That offense right there though would single handedly make us serious contenders in our own division and possibly the conference. And it is ALL doable.

jmcdon00
02-29-2012, 03:07 PM
Yeah ... as a few have been stating here.

Draft Kalil at No. 3. Draft Jeffery at No. 35. Sign Peyton Manning and his buddy Reggie Wayne. Bingo! Our offense moves into very scary territory. Can you imagine Manning, Peterson, Harvin, Wayne, Rudolph and Jeffery running out there?

Sure, it does not address the secondary as much as I would like, but there is a plethora of good secondary talent in this draft and in FA that we could still try to stockpile.

That offense right there though would single handedly make us serious contenders in our own division and possibly the conference. And it is ALL doable.
+1
I'm to a point where I really don't care about the defense. The Packers and Lions offenses are both unstoppable.
The only way we can compete is to come up with an unstoppable offense of our own.

Marrdro
03-01-2012, 03:17 AM
Petyon Manning behind our OL, I don't think so. Surely he values his legs more than that.

It was kind of fun watching Favre get the shit beat out of him, but not sure I want to see us destroy another HOF QB.
Although I had to chuckle to myself about your last Noodle comment, don't forget, he really didn't get hit much in 2009 and when he did it was (he admitted as much) that he held the ball to long in most instances.

He should have never came back in 2010, especially if he couldn't move with his bum ankle. Lets not forget, one of the premises of the WCO we run is the naked bootleg for cripes sake. What the heck did he think the defenses were going to do, give him a pass?

As to Peyton. Rumor has it he can throw it just as far/hard as ever. His problem is the nerve that didn't regenerate is the one that controls his two fingers that control accuracy.

If most remember, other than my deep deep deep disdain for the Noodle, the reason I didn't want him in 2009 was because of the issue with his poooooped (popped) tendon. Even though that didn't seem to be an issue, I am going to take the same tact with Peyton. If he can't throw accurately in a scheme that requires accuracy, it would be stupid to bring him in.

Marrdro
03-01-2012, 03:22 AM
Peyton Manning did fine behind that Colts offensive line for years (with Charlie Johnson blocking on his blind side). I am not saying that we don't need to upgrade at O-line, but a good quarterback automatically makes a line look a lot better than it is. Peyton doesn't get hit because he gets rid of the ball faster than people can get to him. That will continue no matter what line he plays with.
That is one hell of a post there my friend.

My only problem with that rationale is our staff doesn't really run a offense that is going to support that type of throwing.

Pretty hard to get rid of it quickly when you only have 1 WR target to throw it quickly to. All D-coords will have to do (like they did last year) is keep the 3 TE's in blocking (LB'rs) and then all you have to do is double the one WR.

Until this staff figures out that 3 wide can take pressure off the QB (and the OL for goodness sake), we will continue to have QB's getting mauled not to mention a fan base that continually hacks on the OL for no reason. :)

Marrdro
03-01-2012, 03:26 AM
Fact of the matter is he isn't healthy. And most likely wont be playing at a high level for 4-5 years. He cant even throw the ball to the left really. So it really isn't worth discussing.
I hadn't heard the "Can't throw to the left" stuff yet. Interesting. What I have heard is he can throw it all over, and I mean "ALL OVER" in that he has no accuracy anymore.

Not conduscive (no longer an accurate thrower) in this league, especially in our offensive scheme, or any scheme for that matter.

tarkenton10
03-01-2012, 09:10 AM
Although I had to chuckle to myself about your last Noodle comment, don't forget, he really didn't get hit much in 2009 and when he did it was (he admitted as much) that he held the ball to long in most instances.

He should have never came back in 2010, especially if he couldn't move with his bum ankle. Lets not forget, one of the premises of the WCO we run is the naked bootleg for cripes sake. What the heck did he think the defenses were going to do, give him a pass?

As to Peyton. Rumor has it he can throw it just as far/hard as ever. His problem is the nerve that didn't regenerate is the one that controls his two fingers that control accuracy.

If most remember, other than my deep deep deep disdain for the Noodle, the reason I didn't want him in 2009 was because of the issue with his poooooped (popped) tendon. Even though that didn't seem to be an issue, I am going to take the same tact with Peyton. If he can't throw accurately in a scheme that requires accuracy, it would be stupid to bring him in.

I agree it would be stupid to bring him in. We are rebuilding whether we like it or not and bringing him in for a couple of years is just a waste of money. Favre was a different story we were one player away from being special and he showed that in 2009. Manning would be in decline just as we got good and then we would have to find a QB and have him learn for a couple of years. Ponder will be a FA in a few years and that would be a wasted draft pick. I say we move on with Ponder and Webb, if Ponder doesn't work out bring in Webb, if he does workout move Webb to WR.

i_bleed_purple
03-01-2012, 04:58 PM
That is one hell of a post there my friend.

My only problem with that rationale is our staff doesn't really run a offense that is going to support that type of throwing.

Pretty hard to get rid of it quickly when you only have 1 WR target to throw it quickly to. All D-coords will have to do (like they did last year) is keep the 3 TE's in blocking (LB'rs) and then all you have to do is double the one WR.

Until this staff figures out that 3 wide can take pressure off the QB (and the OL for goodness sake), we will continue to have QB's getting mauled not to mention a fan base that continually hacks on the OL for no reason. :)

IF you bring in a Peyton Manning, the last thing you do is force him into an offense he doesn't know very well. Incorporate some aspects of what the Colts run, and let Manning have a say in gameplanning at first, just to ease the transition.

Manning essentially ran the offense in Indy, if you take away his ability to call plays at the line and the comfort he had with the system, I'm not sure he'll be that effective for us, especially as a one-season rental

midgensa
03-01-2012, 08:21 PM
IF you bring in a Peyton Manning, the last thing you do is force him into an offense he doesn't know very well. Incorporate some aspects of what the Colts run, and let Manning have a say in gameplanning at first, just to ease the transition.

Manning essentially ran the offense in Indy, if you take away his ability to call plays at the line and the comfort he had with the system, I'm not sure he'll be that effective for us, especially as a one-season rental

This. I did not even bother responding because we all know things would look a lot different with Peyton Manning. Good coaches tailor to personnel ... they don't force personnel to tailor to crap.

Marrdro
03-02-2012, 02:53 AM
IF you bring in a Peyton Manning, the last thing you do is force him into an offense he doesn't know very well. Incorporate some aspects of what the Colts run, and let Manning have a say in gameplanning at first, just to ease the transition.

Manning essentially ran the offense in Indy, if you take away his ability to call plays at the line and the comfort he had with the system, I'm not sure he'll be that effective for us, especially as a one-season rental

What?

OK my friend, who on our team will run the routes that Garcon ran? Who will run the routes Wayne ran? How long will it take for those guys to figure out all the real (and fake) audibles Peyton calls at the line?

Comeon, no way in hell they bring him in and force the whole team to convert to his act even if we did have the personnel.

You need to quit listening to ESPN so much. (I still remember you don't watch ESPN, I just couldn't resist that jab).

On a side note, it isn't like Peyton calls all the plays on his own. The coaches send in a player package that can support multiple plays. Peyton then picks what he wants to run, based on the defenses look. Nothing hard about that, hell, most QB's do it. What Peyton does different is all the language/verbiage he uses to get the plays out.

Trying to get him and the OL on the same page would take years. Again, makes no sense.

Marrdro
03-02-2012, 03:02 AM
This. I did not even bother responding because we all know things would look a lot different with Peyton Manning. Good coaches tailor to personnel ... they don't force personnel to tailor to crap.
I almost didn't respond to this thread cause its really nothing but crazy talk just to think the staff would even bring in a cat that doesn't fit the scheme.

But I wanted (hoped actually) someone would get us back to one of our age old discussions on here about "Good coaches tailor to personnel".

Good coaches (Insert GM here for coaches) bring in players that fit their scheme. Bad coaches (Insert GM here for coaches) bring in players that don't fit their scheme.

Case in point, what did the Jets do when they brought in the Noodle? Are you saying they tailored their scheme to fit him?

Truth of the matter is they did the exact opposite. They tried to make the Noodle run a simplified version of their offense.

To think the staff any staff would bring Peyton in try to run anything other than what the team was designed to run is crazy talk.

Mpalac4
03-08-2012, 11:32 AM
No they should not sign him