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skum
10-23-2011, 07:31 PM
While Percy is a lights out player, he can't stay on the field..

I am getting sick and tired of seeing him on the sidelines with an injury, today it was the ribs, if its not that, its something else.. I love him as a player, but if we can find some value somewhere, id cash in on it in the off-season.

Who agrees/disagrees?.

Purple Floyd
10-23-2011, 07:35 PM
Lots of players on the list before I get to him.

battleaxe4cheese
10-23-2011, 07:45 PM
Are you serious? Sooo, that would leave us one star player on offense? We aren't exactly overflowing with talent.

skum
10-23-2011, 07:49 PM
Are you serious? Sooo, that would leave us one star player on offense? We aren't exactly overflowing with talent.

Rather have someone who is actually on the field when we need him..

He is on limited snaps every game..

marshallvike
10-23-2011, 07:51 PM
Don't bogart that joint, my friend.
Pass it over to meee.

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Milkman14
10-23-2011, 08:07 PM
Holy Knee Jerk Batman!

Percy has a unique skill set that IMHO would not be matched in most trades.......unless the Raiders are interested. But rumor has it they are running low on picks to trade.

Honest question to Skum, just cause you started the thread, what specifically do you see us getting for Percy. I only ask because you brought it up. I haven't researched what teams might be interested and what we might get. But if you are gonna just throw sH** against the wall I feel I can ask, what would we get? What specifially would this "move" bring to the organization?

Freakout
10-23-2011, 08:12 PM
I understand the frustration. He seems to stay injured.

Webby
10-23-2011, 08:53 PM
You keep Percy, as we have little else on the WR area at this point. 40 minutes of very good all around football is better than 60 mn of Berrian.

battleaxe4cheese
10-23-2011, 09:08 PM
Percy must stay. The end.

Traveling_Vike
10-23-2011, 09:36 PM
I am going to write this off as a typical post-loss depression raving.

I just don't understand why everyone wants to trade away our few bright spots. Escpecially a receiver, where we have need to fill already.

vikinggreg
10-23-2011, 10:01 PM
You know I might start considering this more if he starts fussing about his contract in the next year, he did get something like 2.7 mil this year due to a roster bonus and is due to make a little less than 2.5 for the remaining 2 year then he's a free agent in 2014. He could be good trade value but if its for picks well the year we had the Moss picks there were 2 first round busts :think: But thats more than the Vikes got for Rice

Brewtal
10-23-2011, 10:22 PM
Dumbest idea I have heard in quite a while, well since trading for McNabb anyway.

STCLOUDSAYSGOVIKES
10-23-2011, 10:37 PM
Dumbest idea I have heard in quite a while, well since trading for McNabb anyway.

Some tool called KFAN fanline today, and suggested we trade AP. If you're looking for worse ideas then trading for McNabb, there you go.

MindCrimes67
10-23-2011, 10:49 PM
No way do you trade harvin.. We do have a couple of players i think do have some trade value. IMHO Gerhart is expendable, was not a wise pick to begin with. We need a really good draft this year.

soonerbornNbred
10-23-2011, 11:24 PM
Justin Blackmon...Ryan Broyels in 2012

VikesFan787
10-24-2011, 01:19 AM
We need Percy, even if he is hurt on the field he still gets a lot of respect out there. He is the receiving version of Peterson when it comes to contact after the catch.

singersp
10-24-2011, 07:22 AM
Yeah..........I remember my first beer.


;)

Purple Floyd
10-24-2011, 07:55 AM
Yeah..........I remember my first beer.


;)

Because you are a wild and crazy guy.

vikesrgreat2
10-24-2011, 01:25 PM
I think Percy Harvin should stay with the Vikings. He's too explosive a player IMO to not keep him on the team, especially with the level of talent we have at WR. Why can't they design some explosiveness plays by putting Webb, AD, and Harvin on the field at the same time? If you're a defense, then who would you cover?

mrhurriicane
10-24-2011, 02:37 PM
You think the Lions should trade Stafford too?

skum
10-24-2011, 03:04 PM
You think the Lions should trade Stafford too?

Thats different because what they have invested in him.. But if he keeps being on the sideline instead of on the field, why should they keep him on their roster?..

Harvin can not produce for us when he is not on the field and he is on the sideline to much, if we can get a productive starter on the offensive line - a good young starter at LT or RT or a good package of picks, id trade him.. Because he is not doing it for me.. Great player, but cant stay healthy, never could..

You can find alot of slot guys who can do some good things for us.. Vikings issues is streching the field.. Harvin's catches is underneath.. We have lot of guys who can take over his return duties and with the rulechange on kickoffs, that also limits him..

midgensa
10-24-2011, 05:15 PM
I am much more frustrated with Musgrave's complete lack of getting the ball in Percy's hands when he is on the field than when he is on the sideline with injured ribs.

He is limited more by Musgrave's like of imagination than anything else. Percy would be absolutely unstoppable with a visionary like Sean Payton or any creative offensive mind. Our 2 TE, 1 RB, 2 WR sets really limit him ... and it is clear that Musgrave thinks the best way to give him the ball is on handoffs, which can be effective, but should not be his primary role.

Percy is simply under utilized here and it is much more the fault of the current OC than anything Percy himself has done.

jargomcfargo
10-24-2011, 06:34 PM
I am much more frustrated with Musgrave's complete lack of getting the ball in Percy's hands when he is on the field than when he is on the sideline with injured ribs.

He is limited more by Musgrave's like of imagination than anything else. Percy would be absolutely unstoppable with a visionary like Sean Payton or any creative offensive mind. Our 2 TE, 1 RB, 2 WR sets really limit him ... and it is clear that Musgrave thinks the best way to give him the ball is on handoffs, which can be effective, but should not be his primary role.

Percy is simply under utilized here and it is much more the fault of the current OC than anything Percy himself has done.

Well put. Percy gives this team options they haven't fully taken advantage of.
Musgrave called a better game against the Pack but still has a lot to learn.

Ranger
10-24-2011, 06:43 PM
Well, would you go away from two TE sets? We have more talent on the field with two WR and two TE than we would with three WR and a single TE, in my opinion.

Purple Floyd
10-24-2011, 07:33 PM
Well, would you go away from two TE sets? We have more talent on the field with two WR and two TE than we would with three WR and a single TE, in my opinion.

A very wise post.

Purple Floyd
10-24-2011, 07:37 PM
Just to put it in perspective, he is averaging 4 catches and 40 yards a game.

That puts him on a pace for 64 catches and 640 yards for the season. That is really not all that impressive when you look at it. His career averages are not significantly different either. If he is really going to be of value we should be looking at closer to 100 repts and 1200 yards.

Zeus
10-24-2011, 09:38 PM
You keep Percy, as we have little else on the WR area at this point. 40 minutes of very good all around football is better than 60 mn of Berrian.

2 catches for 15 yards and 2 rushes for 8 yards is what "40 minutes of very good all around football" got the Vikings yesterday, dude.

Maybe you need to stop watching the games from the press box.

=Z=

Zeus
10-24-2011, 09:39 PM
You can find alot of slot guys who can do some good things for us..

Hell, Camarillo had a better game than Percy yesterday.

=Z=

Zeus
10-24-2011, 09:41 PM
I am much more frustrated with Musgrave's complete lack of getting the ball in Percy's hands when he is on the field than when he is on the sideline with injured ribs.

He is limited more by Musgrave's like of imagination than anything else. Percy would be absolutely unstoppable with a visionary like Sean Payton or any creative offensive mind. Our 2 TE, 1 RB, 2 WR sets really limit him ... and it is clear that Musgrave thinks the best way to give him the ball is on handoffs, which can be effective, but should not be his primary role.

Percy is simply under utilized here and it is much more the fault of the current OC than anything Percy himself has done.

Easy to be underutilized when you can't stay on the field because you're hurt all the time.

=Z=

Purple Floyd
10-24-2011, 09:54 PM
Easy to be underutilized when you can't stay on the field because you're hurt all the time.

=Z=


Negative Nancy:haha:

jargomcfargo
10-24-2011, 10:09 PM
Hell, Camarillo had a better game than Percy yesterday.

=Z=
Camarillo had a better game with Ponder throwing him the ball as will Percy when he's healthy again.

battleaxe4cheese
10-24-2011, 10:31 PM
Just to put it in perspective, he is averaging 4 catches and 40 yards a game.

That puts him on a pace for 64 catches and 640 yards for the season. That is really not all that impressive when you look at it. His career averages are not significantly different either. If he is really going to be of value we should be looking at closer to 100 repts and 1200 yards.


This is not a fair assessment in any way:

1. Through six games who was throwing the ball to him? Or more accurately who was throwing the ball behind him or at his feet? Case in point, how many catches/yards did Percy have with the likes of T-Joke and Sage and the rest of the scrub Qb's over the last few years? Even Favre last year for that matter. Now, how many catches/yards did he have when Favre was on his game in 09? Percy was a machine, even with his migraine issues. Those issues have been resolved for the most part to a large extent anyways.
How productive was Sydney with the same scrub Qb's? Not very. How productive was he when he had Favre drilling him in stride in 09? Big time difference. Night and day.
My point is he's only had one season with a qb that could regularly hit him in stride. Ya he's had migraine issues but seems to be a lot better now with that issue. He's got bruised up ribs now but who wouldn't with the effort he gives to get the extra yards and fight like he does.

2. How can anyone be talking about trading him before we see what he can do with Ponder slinging balls to him? It may be a dynamite combo for all we know, and I tend to think it will be a God send for Ponder for short dump offs and shallow/intermediate routes.

3. He's the best kick returner we've had around these parts in a long time. I saw him run back one at the niners game in 09 and it was awesome. Who's going to take that job? Camarillo? I think not.

4. He's one of the most dangerous players in space in the league and that is how he is built to play this game. Donny and his crappy throws were enough to slow/stop his momentum on a lot of throws, which in my opinion contributed greatly to his lack of yards/yac. He's designed to get the ball in space and turn on the jets while keeping his speed up. See Favre 09.

5. He's arguably the fastest guy on the team on a team without much explosiveness other than AP. Camarillo- nope Berrian-what Berrian Cook- jail Arom- he's fairly quick Jenkins- not so much This is kind of tied in with his kick returning duties.

6. What are we going to get for him? He is sort of a high risk/ high reward player with an uncertain future as far as migraines go. I don't think at this point without another year or two of playing time, will any team be able to make an accurate health assessment of him which sort of puts him in the high risk department.

7. Who is going to take his place if we don't get a good slot receiver in trade? Camarillo? He's getting slower by the minute, and will be down to Yoda speed by this time next year.

8. You gotta admit Percy is a cool name. :cool:

In summary, I think we should let this year play out with him and Ponder and I think we will all be pleasantly surprised except me.:crazy:

MossMems
10-24-2011, 11:19 PM
I wonder if alot pg PH's problems are neurological. He doesnt seem able to complete a game. At some point, we have to face the fact that one of out big named player will probably be let go. As long as it isnt AD or JA.

rideout
10-24-2011, 11:43 PM
I agree with trading percy also should trade peterson, jared allen, rudolph and ponder for a 7th round pick. this is the dumbest post yet

i_bleed_purple
10-24-2011, 11:48 PM
Camarillo? He's getting slower by the minute, and will be down to Yoda speed by this time next year.

Yoda vs Count Dooku Star Wars Episode II - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60GR3vNKHt8)

seaniemck7
10-25-2011, 12:12 AM
The only way you trade Percy is if management concludes that Musgrave is too incompetent to incorporate him in the offense. The jury is still out on this one.

12purplepride28
10-25-2011, 02:31 AM
7. Who is going to take his place if we don't get a good slot receiver in trade? Camarillo? He's getting slower by the minute, and will be down to Yoda speed by this time next year.


IBP beat me to it, but I'll take yoda speed any day. BAxe thinks Yoda is slow and that there are 12 rounds in the NFL draft. Time to adjust the ole spreadsheet.:D

singersp
10-25-2011, 06:51 AM
2 catches for 15 yards and 2 rushes for 8 yards is what "40 minutes of very good all around football" got the Vikings yesterday, dude.

Maybe you need to stop watching the games from the press box.

=Z=

Yea, you're absolutely right. We should simply cut our losses with Harvin & stay with Berrian who has 20 less catches than Harvin & 185 less yards!

battleaxe4cheese
10-25-2011, 02:13 PM
IBP beat me to it, but I'll take yoda speed any day. BAxe thinks Yoda is slow and that there are 12 rounds in the NFL draft. Time to adjust the ole spreadsheet.:D

You guys brighten up my day I tell ya.

By the way I was referring to Yoda in his retirement years when he was living in a swamp down by the river! ;)