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singersp
10-20-2011, 08:09 AM
With Vikings starting fresh at QB, Packers prepare for rookie Ponder

With Vikings starting fresh at QB, Packers prepare for rookie Ponder | Green Bay Press Gazette | greenbaypressgazette.com (http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20111019/PKR01/111019154/With-Vikings-starting-fresh-QB-Packers-prepare-rookie-Ponder?odyssey=nav%7Chead)

singersp
10-20-2011, 08:10 AM
Way to tip your hand dumbfuck.

battleaxe4cheese
10-20-2011, 09:27 AM
Way to tip your hand dumbfuck.

How is that playing your hand? What hand?

Scenario 1- Donny plays- Stack the box/shut down AP, Donny can't beat you, Rodgers does his thing and the Pukes win.

Scenario 2- Rookie Ponder plays- Do what every other team in the history of the league does with rookies-bring pressure/bring exotic blitzes and different formations to confuse qb. Don't allow him to get comfortable and into a rhythm. Done.

How is that tipping your hand? They have no tape to watch of Ponder other than a quarter in a garbage game. It seems quite obvious that both scenarios especially number one will work. We have no deep threat ability. No offense, but the Vikes are one of the easiest teams in the league right now in terms of planning for. Stop AP=win.

josdin00
10-20-2011, 10:31 AM
Personally, I think it's better that they announced the decision early. They avoided the distractions of a QB controversy, and allowed the team to focus on preparing for the game all week. Plus, right now, the team has to learn to rely on themselves, not media tricks, to help them win games. This sends a pretty clear message that everyone has to step up, and that they can't rely on the hope that the other team will guess wrong. Once the team is playing better, they can try whatever tricks they want to gain an edge, but right now, there are more important things to focus on.

Purple Floyd
10-20-2011, 10:41 AM
No kidding.

I bet the Packers staff was shaking in their shit kickers trying to figure out how to stop McChunky and his aerial assault that would have been waged against them.

It is so much easier to prepare for a QB with nearly zero film to study and no tendencies to look out for.

singersp
10-21-2011, 08:56 AM
Personally, I think it's better that they announced the decision early. They avoided the distractions of a QB controversy, and allowed the team to focus on preparing for the game all week. Plus, right now, the team has to learn to rely on themselves, not media tricks, to help them win games. This sends a pretty clear message that everyone has to step up, and that they can't rely on the hope that the other team will guess wrong. Once the team is playing better, they can try whatever tricks they want to gain an edge, but right now, there are more important things to focus on.

What controversy? If the team knows who's starting & the rest of the word doesn't, that's not a distraction at all.

singersp
10-21-2011, 09:00 AM
How is that playing your hand? What hand?

Scenario 1- Donny plays- Stack the box/shut down AP, Donny can't beat you, Rodgers does his thing and the Pukes win.

Scenario 2- Rookie Ponder plays- Do what every other team in the history of the league does with rookies-bring pressure/bring exotic blitzes and different formations to confuse qb. Don't allow him to get comfortable and into a rhythm. Done.

How is that tipping your hand? They have no tape to watch of Ponder other than a quarter in a garbage game. It seems quite obvious that both scenarios especially number one will work. We have no deep threat ability. No offense, but the Vikes are one of the easiest teams in the league right now in terms of planning for. Stop AP=win.

Thanx for making my point.

That's exactly the type of plays & formations they'll practice all week to not allow him to get comfortable & in a rythm.

If they think McNabb was going to be the starter, they don't practice bringing exotic blitzes and different formations to try & confuse McNabb.

Marrdro
10-21-2011, 09:10 AM
Personally, I think it's better that they announced the decision early. They avoided the distractions of a QB controversy, and allowed the team to focus on preparing for the game all week. Plus, right now, the team has to learn to rely on themselves, not media tricks, to help them win games. This sends a pretty clear message that everyone has to step up, and that they can't rely on the hope that the other team will guess wrong. Once the team is playing better, they can try whatever tricks they want to gain an edge, but right now, there are more important things to focus on.
And to think Ole Jos is known soley on here as one hell of an artist.

Hell of a post my friend. Hell of a post indeed.

I think everyone and their brother knew who was gonna start this week, just like everyone knew that we would see him last week if Dnabb skipped a few. Letting the decision out Weds neither hurt nor helped anyone. All it did is create some media drivel for yutz fans to worry about.

My guess, the ole PUKERS are more worried about matching up against Ponder than they are Dnabb. Look a their "Great" defensive stats.....

2nd worst in yards given up via the pass.
Tied for 22nd with INT's. (4) We have 2
15th in sacks. (12).

To make that worse, you also have to take into account that the PUKERS are playing in the lead all the time so their defense is predominantly playing pass and still their numbers are low.

Nope, I think we come out throwing to start. Its their weakness. Loosen them up so that we can get AD going against their strength (stopping the run).

Letting out who will be starting only helps that effort as they will be focusing on trying to get ready for the pass instead of just focusing on AD.

Purple Floyd
10-21-2011, 09:18 AM
Thanx for making my point.

That's exactly the type of plays & formations they'll practice all week to not allow him to get comfortable & in a rythm.

If they think McNabb was going to be the starter, they don't practice bringing exotic blitzes and different formations to try & confuse McNabb.

But doesn't making Ponder the starter also allow the Vikings to give him more time to practice plays that can exploit those blitzes and formations than he would have gotten if he was practicing with the 2nd string until Friday? Because you know if he was taking all of the 1st team snaps it would have leaked out anyway.

shockzilla
10-21-2011, 09:21 AM
And to think Ole Jos is known soley on here as one hell of an artist.

Hell of a post my friend. Hell of a post indeed.

I think everyone and their brother knew who was gonna start this week, just like everyone knew that we would see him last week if Dnabb skipped a few. Letting the decision out Weds neither hurt nor helped anyone. All it did is create some media drivel for yutz fans to worry about.

My guess, the ole PUKERS are more worried about matching up against Ponder than they are Dnabb. Look a their "Great" defensive stats.....

2nd worst in yards given up via the pass.
Tied for 22nd with INT's. (4) We have 2
15th in sacks. (12).

To make that worse, you also have to take into account that the PUKERS are playing in the lead all the time so their defense is predominantly playing pass and still their numbers are low.

Nope, I think we come out throwing to start. Its their weakness. Loosen them up so that we can get AD going against their strength (stopping the run).

Letting out who will be starting only helps that effort as they will be focusing on trying to get ready for the pass instead of just focusing on AD.

Those are some very good points Marrdro. Ponder is an unknown, to the Packers and everyone else. I think it'll be harder for them to game plan for him than it would have been had McNabb been the starter.

You just moved up a few notches on my spreadsheet. :p

Marrdro
10-21-2011, 09:26 AM
Those are some very good points Marrdro. Ponder is an unknown, to the Packers and everyone else. I think it'll be harder for them to game plan for him than it would have been had McNabb been the starter.

You just moved up a few notches on my spreadsheet. :p
Thanks my friend.

I was actually gonna send you a PM today. When we (Wildwoman and I) were making preps for the game today, your name came up. Not sure why, but I thought it would be fun to watch the Destroyers win a championship with you in the seats with us.

singersp
10-21-2011, 09:33 AM
But doesn't making Ponder the starter also allow the Vikings to give him more time to practice plays that can exploit those blitzes and formations than he would have gotten if he was practicing with the 2nd string until Friday? Because you know if he was taking all of the 1st team snaps it would have leaked out anyway.

He would be getting the reps with the starters anyway. You can't assume that information would leak out.

Do teams practice different game plans all week than what they plan on running because they fear it will leak out?

Freya
10-21-2011, 10:04 AM
My question is HOW? How are they preparing?!..........with 15 minutes of tape from last week?!?!
Well...... that is just hilarious. :rofl:

singersp
10-21-2011, 10:09 AM
My question is HOW? How are they preparing?!..........with 15 minutes of tape from last week?!?!
Well...... that is just hilarious. :rofl:

They are preparing against a rookie QB making his first NFL start. You don't need a lot of tape to do that. Besides, there is tape from last week, tape from preseason games & tape from college.

What's hilarious is people believing they won't change their defensive game plan & prepare identically as if they are going to face McNabb. LOL!


The question the Packers care most about is how the change to Ponder will affect the Vikings this week. On paper, the Packers should have a huge edge with defensive coordinator Dom Capers getting a full week to devise a game plan to confuse a rookie making his first NFL start.

battleaxe4cheese
10-21-2011, 10:15 AM
Thanx for making my point.

That's exactly the type of plays & formations they'll practice all week to not allow him to get comfortable & in a rythm.

If they think McNabb was going to be the starter, they don't practice bringing exotic blitzes and different formations to try & confuse McNabb.

Huh? You don't think the world champions under Caper's schemes practice exotic blitzes every week? You are joking right? Ya, because they normally wouldn't practice exotic blitzes unless they know they are playing against a first time starter rookie? Are you kidding me?

Not only that, but most people with half a brain could see after Donny got pulled, he wasn't going back in because he's terrible. Donny was the only one who was surprised and not the Pukers and their defense. Your argument makes absolutely no sense. Sorry man.

Marrdro
10-21-2011, 10:18 AM
They are preparing against a rookie QB making his first NFL start. You don't need a lot of tape to do that. Besides, there is tape from last week, tape from preseason games & tape from college.

What's hilarious is people believing they won't change their defensive game plan & prepare identically as if they are going to face McNabb. LOL!
Again I ask the most basic of questions.....

Why do you think they will bring some sort of "New" blitz package to the table that they haven't been able to do all year.

In the end, the PUKERS suck against the pass. I hope like hell they are really working hard on correcting that cause it will take away from their efforts of getting ready to stop AD, which, by the way, is their defenses only strenght and I think that is skewed a bit cause teams are always trying to pass on them.

battleaxe4cheese
10-21-2011, 10:45 AM
Thanx for making my point.

That's exactly the type of plays & formations they'll practice all week to not allow him to get comfortable & in a rythm.

If they think McNabb was going to be the starter, they don't practice bringing exotic blitzes and different formations to try & confuse McNabb.


They are preparing against a rookie QB making his first NFL start. You don't need a lot of tape to do that. Besides, there is tape from last week, tape from preseason games & tape from college.

What's hilarious is people believing they won't change their defensive game plan & prepare identically as if they are going to face McNabb. LOL!

If that's the case, they will probably pull tape from high school right? LOL!

Preseason and college???? What the? Are you kidding ...? :rofl:

12purplepride28
10-21-2011, 10:57 AM
If that's the case, they will probably pull tape from high school right? LOL!

Preseason and college???? What the? Are you kidding ...? :rofl:

Why wouldn't that be useful? You look at how he played in the preseason and you can see his tendencies and strengths/weaknesses and gameplan against those. If you look at Webb based solely on preseason play you'd see that he likes to run a lot more than pass so you force him to stay in the pocket and pass. Same thing with Ponder. Take away the short/intermediate throws and force him to throw it deep. Gameplan knowing that he likes to run so keep Clay the douche in to keep an eye on him. Not that hard of a concept to grasp.

And it's well known that teams try to confuse rookies with exotic blitzes and different coverages that he might not have seen on tape. Do things that wouldn't necessarily confuse a vet in the league, but a rookie like Ponder might freak out and try to take off, leaving him susceptible to some big hits. Blitz Brady and he'll pick you apart. Blitz Ponder and he'll take off running or force a throw somewhere he shouldn't be.

josdin00
10-21-2011, 11:17 AM
What controversy? If the team knows who's starting & the rest of the word doesn't, that's not a distraction at all.

I understand where you're coming from, but personally, I'd rather have the team focus on the game plan for Sunday, rather than worrying about how to keep the media in the dark. You know that if Frazier hadn't announced Ponder as the starter, the media would be pressuring the coaches and players all week for that one nugget that would give away the plans. That would be a distraction.

Plus, again, now the team knows that everyone, including the Packers, knows who is starting. They know the Packers are going to try to come up with ways to confuse a rookie. The Packers have already faced one rookie QB this year. While Ponder is not Newton, they can still look at that tape to see how the Packers prepare for that situation. There's no tape from this year that shows how the Packers prepare for an either/or situation.

I know that there's a potential edge to be gained by keeping things secret, but there are pros and cons to that decision. To repeat myself a bit, when a team is struggling, I'd rather take as many unknowns off the table, and allow the team to focus on what is important. In this case, the pluses of announcing the decision early outweigh the minuses. Now it's just up to the team to execute.

jargomcfargo
10-21-2011, 12:33 PM
Again I ask the most basic of questions.....

Why do you think they will bring some sort of "New" blitz package to the table that they haven't been able to do all year.

In the end, the PUKERS suck against the pass. I hope like hell they are really working hard on correcting that cause it will take away from their efforts of getting ready to stop AD, which, by the way, is their defenses only strenght and I think that is skewed a bit cause teams are always trying to pass on them.

Packers will do what every team does against the Vikings, stack the box, stop the run, get the lead, and make the QB pass. It's a simple formula that works.
So now we shall see if Ponder can complete enough passes to keep the offense on the field for awhile. If so, the Vikes have a chance.
Capers vs Musgrave doesn't give me a lot of confidence though.

tastywaves
10-21-2011, 12:48 PM
Packers will do what every team does against the Vikings, stack the box, stop the run, get the lead, and make the QB pass. It's a simple formula that works.
So now we shall see if Ponder can complete enough passes to keep the offense on the field for awhile. If so, the Vikes have a chance.
Capers vs Musgrave doesn't give me a lot of confidence though.

Yup, just as simple as that.

i_bleed_purple
10-22-2011, 07:47 AM
Just sayin... Tjs first start was vs the packers as well. hopefully this career goes better

singersp
10-22-2011, 09:19 AM
Again I ask the most basic of questions.....

Why do you think they will bring some sort of "New" blitz package to the table that they haven't been able to do all year.

In the end, the PUKERS suck against the pass. I hope like hell they are really working hard on correcting that cause it will take away from their efforts of getting ready to stop AD, which, by the way, is their defenses only strenght and I think that is skewed a bit cause teams are always trying to pass on them.

Quit stuffing new words into what I said. I didn't say they would invent new blitz packages.

They will come with a lot more blitz packages, than they would if McNabb was in there. the word "exotic" is one I used from quoting another poster, meaning they'll come at him with defensive looks he may not easily recognize, there by trying to confuse him.

What's next? People trying to tell me that teams would prepare the same game plan against us if Lorenzo Booker was going to get the start instead of AD?

singersp
10-22-2011, 09:28 AM
Huh? You don't think the world champions under Caper's schemes practice exotic blitzes every week? ? Ya, because they normally wouldn't practice exotic blitzes unless they know they are playing against a first time starter rookie? Are you kidding me?

Not only that, but most people with half a brain could see after Donny got pulled, he wasn't going back in because he's terrible. Donny was the only one who was surprised and not the Pukers and their defense. Your argument makes absolutely no sense. Sorry man.

You think teams practice the same against Brady & the Patriots as they do against Tarvaris Jackson & the Seahawks? You are joking right?

People with half a brain know teams practice their game plan & cater that game plan against that particular opponent.

Ponder was put in during garbage time, not because they thought he had a chance of winning it.

That doesn't automatically mean the coach is going to start the rookie kid against the Super Bowl Champions.

If you felt that people with half a brain knew he was going to start Ponder, I certainly missed your post stating he would start against the Packers before it was announced.

singersp
10-22-2011, 09:39 AM
If that's the case, they will probably pull tape from high school right? LOL!

Preseason and college???? What the? Are you kidding ...? :rofl:

Umm, yes, preseason & if need be, which I don't think is necessary...college. Do you think a QB's tendencies of what he does automatically changes the day he's drafted? You're kidding right?

Do you think a QB's tendencies of what he does automatically changes yet again a second time between the last preseason game & 1st game of the regular season? Again LOL!

Good think your not on the Vikings draft team, because you'd claim to screw everything he did in college & the way he reacts, because he'll change everything about the way he plays 100%, not once, but twice after the day we draft him.

singersp
10-22-2011, 09:42 AM
Just sayin... Tjs first start was vs the packers as well. hopefully this career goes better

I don't think there will be a down pour of rain in the dome come Sunday.

skum
10-22-2011, 09:49 AM
I don't think there will be a down pour of rain in the dome come Sunday.

Troy Williamson won't drop any balls either