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missvikes
10-04-2011, 04:44 PM
Or keep McNabb in for AZ? On paper it looks like a "sure win" BUT,

It's all over every sports website, Especially NFL.com. "Start the Ponder Era. Bench McNabb" Does Frazier really think it's worth going over McNabb tapes week after week to try and fix something to have something else wrong emerge from McNabb. In my opinion put Ponder in for the "sure win" game & see what he has & try to build a little confidence in him now before the Bears & Green Bay.

there should be a "smiley" here beating his head against a wall. that's the one I would choose right now :irked:

Purple Floyd
10-04-2011, 04:56 PM
Frazier already said he is going with McChunky for the game...

inkedgeek
10-04-2011, 06:36 PM
I am hoping we don't end up with the same situation Denver Donkeys have. I would however like to beable to get behind a quarterback that my be around awhile

Gift2
10-04-2011, 07:01 PM
Or keep McNabb in for AZ? On paper it looks like a "sure win"
What? A sure win for Arizona? I don't know what this means.

singersp
10-04-2011, 08:31 PM
Do you think he'll change his mind by Sunday?

Nope!

Like was said on Mike & Mike this morning, if you give the reins over to Ponder at this point in the season, then it appears to the Minnesotans that you've given up on the season.

That is an impression you don't want to give to Minnesotans & legislatures when you're trying to get a new stadium.

There's a certain amount of truth to that.

i_bleed_purple
10-04-2011, 08:37 PM
Nope!

Like was said on Mike & Mike this morning, if you give the reins over to Ponder at this point in the season, then it appears to the Minnesotans that you've given up on the season.

That is an impression you don't want to give to Minnesotans & legislatures when you're trying to get a new stadium.

There's a certain amount of truth to that.

Very true. Plus, if McNabb were the #1 problem, then I see trying another direction, but he's not. He's not playing that well, but he's far from our biggest problem.

It all starts with the line. If they could learn to block, we'd be in a better position. There is next to no push at the line, we're losing the trench wars, and if you don't win at the LOS, it's tough to win a game.

singersp
10-04-2011, 08:47 PM
Very true. Plus, if McNabb were the #1 problem, then I see trying another direction, but he's not. He's not playing that well, but he's far from our biggest problem.

It all starts with the line. If they could learn to block, we'd be in a better position. There is next to no push at the line, we're losing the trench wars, and if you don't win at the LOS, it's tough to win a game.

I can't single out just the OL. Last week there were several times where McNabb had ample time & he still threw off target. I think we'll see DA get more playing time than BB & I believe we'll be getting K-Rud more involved as well. Even if it's a bad pass from McNabb, his golden hands grab & hang onto damn near anything.

i_bleed_purple
10-04-2011, 08:55 PM
I can't single out just the OL. Last week there were several times where McNabb had ample time & he still threw off target. I think we'll see DA get more playing time than BB & I believe we'll be getting K-Rud more involved as well. Even if it's a bad pass from McNabb, his golden hands grab & hang onto damn near anything.

Very true, It's also not JUST the OL, but I look at them as the #1 priority for us.

They have played consistently awful all season Long, McNabb has been below average to ok, but alot of his performance will be directly affected by whether or not the OL can protect.

If we can't run, and McNabb is getting hit, we're not winning footballg ames.

jargomcfargo
10-04-2011, 10:22 PM
Very true, It's also not JUST the OL, but I look at them as the #1 priority for us.

They have played consistently awful all season Long, McNabb has been below average to ok, but alot of his performance will be directly affected by whether or not the OL can protect.

If we can't run, and McNabb is getting hit, we're not winning footballg ames.

McNabb is McNabb. Wildly inaccurate, out of shape, and simply a place holder for Ponder.

The OL should be the number one priority, and since it wasn't, Frazier is protecting Ponder right now.

He's letting Ponder learn as much as he can without taking a pounding, all the while hoping the line will gel.

I think you will see Ponder on the field about game 9 of the season.

There will be an instant improvement in the team simply based on his accurate passing.

I can't wait to see him out there but don't want to rush it only to see him injured.

Traveling_Vike
10-04-2011, 11:01 PM
I tend to agree on most counts. Frazier will not change his mind, and he should not at this point. Doing so would be an terrible sign of weakness. Ponder will get his chance unless DM magically catches fire starting very soon. Probably, as smegmavike has said (as well as me, in another thread) around the midpoint.

Singer is right, too. Making the change now sends a strong signal that the staff has given up on the season. The fans are already depressed enough, between the poor performances and the stadium issue. Signs that the management are giving up could lead to a significant rise in the local suicide rate. It sends the wrong message.

The kid will get his shot. Just not quite yet. 8 games or so will be plenty of time to evaluate him and decide whether to keep him or move on.

singersp
10-05-2011, 05:48 AM
The kid will get his shot. Just not quite yet. 8 games or so will be plenty of time to evaluate him and decide whether to keep him or draft Luck.

Fixed it

battleaxe4cheese
10-05-2011, 09:48 AM
I say Ponder will play after the bye week and not before. That's only a few more games. McNabb has lost his McMojo and isn't going to get it back, especially with all the problems with the o-line and virtually no training camp. It's just not going to happen.

I can understand you don't want to send the message your "givin up the season" but most already know it's lost. Season is over. Looking at the rest of the schedule, we'll be lucky to win three games, and that's being generous.

Mark_The_Viking
10-05-2011, 04:26 PM
I tend to agree on most counts. Frazier will not change his mind, and he should not at this point. Doing so would be an terrible sign of weakness. Ponder will get his chance unless DM magically catches fire starting very soon. Probably, as smegmavike has said (as well as me, in another thread) around the midpoint.

Singer is right, too. Making the change now sends a strong signal that the staff has given up on the season. The fans are already depressed enough, between the poor performances and the stadium issue. Signs that the management are giving up could lead to a significant rise in the local suicide rate. It sends the wrong message.

The kid will get his shot. Just not quite yet. 8 games or so will be plenty of time to evaluate him and decide whether to keep him or move on.

Really? Or does it say we are going to try everything to right a ship that's sinking and going down fast?

We punted on McNobb and it didn't work out, now we know why the iggles let him go and the Skins benched him. I say lets try and fire the team up with Ponder in the line up, saying that I'm happy to see if the bad press he got this week gets our O line and our QB motivated to show people they are wrong against the Crads at home

NeoVikesTX
10-05-2011, 04:56 PM
And what happens if we start Ponder and we're still losing? At least McNabb makes a good scapegoat. Our problems go a lot deeper than the QB position...

C Mac D
10-05-2011, 05:11 PM
And what happens if we start Ponder and we're still losing? At least McNabb makes a good scapegoat. Our problems go a lot deeper than the QB position...

Ponder will be gaining experience. It's not about winning at this point, the team has far too many holes beyond the QB position. It's about grooming our future QB.

Gift2
10-05-2011, 06:19 PM
Ponder will be gaining experience. It's not about winning at this point, the team has far too many holes beyond the QB position. It's about grooming our future QB.Or instead of grooming him we ruin him with our lack of talent, o-line & coaching like Detroit did to joey.

EDIT - I'm not saying he shouldn't go in at some point but lets get a few things working before he does.

C Mac D
10-05-2011, 09:14 PM
Or instead of grooming him we ruin him with our lack of talent, o-line & coaching like Detroit did to joey.

EDIT - I'm not saying he shouldn't go in at some point but lets get a few things working before he does.

Haha... Joe Harrington? No, he just sucked. Period.

You are probably also the sort of person that thinks Andy Dalton shouldn't have started the season either... he's playing pretty well.

One thing I know for sure, I'm tired of watching McNabb's career take a nose-dive while he's at the helm.

Zeus
10-05-2011, 09:18 PM
Ponder will be gaining experience. It's not about winning at this point, the team has far too many holes beyond the QB position. It's about grooming our future QB.

Here's something I've thought, which I haven't seen posted.

Maybe, just maybe, Ponder isn't good. The coaches look at him in practice every week. Could it be that, perhaps, he's not ready to play in the NFL? Hmmm?

=Z=

Purple Floyd
10-05-2011, 09:48 PM
Here's something I've thought, which I haven't seen posted.

Maybe, just maybe, Ponder isn't good. The coaches look at him in practice every week. Could it be that, perhaps, he's not ready to play in the NFL? Hmmm?

=Z=

That is possible and if that is the case then they need to just cut him and get someone else in there. I am certainly not making the case that he should be playing because I believe he is the answer but rather because I just want the team to know whether he is or not as soon as possible so we know the next step we need to take in rebuilding the team.

Mark_The_Viking
10-06-2011, 02:00 AM
That is possible and if that is the case then they need to just cut him and get someone else in there. I am certainly not making the case that he should be playing because I believe he is the answer but rather because I just want the team to know whether he is or not as soon as possible so we know the next step we need to take in rebuilding the team.

Exactly, what happens come December when Mcnobb is done and finished, we have no idea if either of our other QBs can play at the top level?

Draft another QB and start again? start the season from day one with Ponder or Webb? and then find out they are no good. Ponders mobility will make up for some of the lack in O line and at least come the end of the season we can KNOW if he's the future or not at least to some degree and decide what to do on the draft from there.

It makes no sense week in week out to play a guy who adds nothing to the team. Sods law he'll pass for 400 and 4 TDs on SUnday now.

missvikes
10-07-2011, 10:14 AM
What it means is; the only game AZ has won has been at home, the only threat AZ has is FItzgerald. The only numbers they have better than ours is Passing...to Fitzgerald. Our Rushing is better, 3rd down percentage, Our defense looks better than their offence. Statistically (on paper) WE should win this game. At home, double team 11, & maybe rush more than pass.
We should not lose this game! That's what I mean

daboywonder2002
10-07-2011, 11:42 AM
Here's my thing though. you saw what favre did with this team when sidney rice was out and no training camp. you are seeing what mcnabb is doing with pretty much the same weapons(i like rudolph, jenkins does not count). and its pretty much the same thing. YOU knew outside of rice, that this team lacked playmakers. yet in the offseason did NOTHING to get one. so if favre couldnt do it, mcnabb couldn't do it. what the hell makes you think ponder is gonna be any different??

Marrdro
10-07-2011, 11:47 AM
Here's something I've thought, which I haven't seen posted.

Maybe, just maybe, Ponder isn't good. The coaches look at him in practice every week. Could it be that, perhaps, he's not ready to play in the NFL? Hmmm?

=Z=
Its a good point, however, the follow-on question is "Why did they make him number 2 ahead of Webb?"

Doesn't mean he is NFL ready, but it atleast means he is more ready than Webb and if I'm not mistaken, Webb won with almost the exact team we have now, minus a couple of players most are happy to see gone.

missvikes
10-07-2011, 12:31 PM
Freshness, we want something fresh. McNabb is stale. Ponder seems to have more QB instincts than Webb. Webb has the instinct to run when he doesn't see an imidiate receiver. I love Webb, I love watching him on the field but he wasn't trained all through high school & college to be a QB. He's an athlete. I think we are wasting his talent by keeping him on the back burner for QB. I am one of Webbs biggest advocates BUT I do see how Ponder would be best fit for 2nd string QB. Something has to give here. I'm so frustrated with the whole McNabb Experiment, he's no good. Yesterday in the Press Conference they asked him what he's going to do to step up his 4th Quarter play & his answers all start with "WE, WE, WE..." NO we are asking what YOU are going to do to improve YOURSELF as a Quarter Back. I am so sick of listening to him blame his lack of performance on anything other than himself. Last year it was the Shanahans had a conspiracy against him. NO, YOU SUCK! You don't connect & you can't even run up and down the field during PRACTICE. Funny that some here are inquiring about T.O. & maybe picking him up. T.O., Desean Johnson, Freddie Mitchell, they think he sucked too. His old teammates! Even Boxing great Hopkins thinks he sucks.
Please, Freshness! enough with McNabb, we have nothing left to lose. Just 1st round Draft to gain