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singersp
09-23-2011, 07:30 AM
Vikings' pass defense hasn't been the same since Darren Sharper left

Big plays and turnovers from the position have been scarce in Minnesota since Darren Sharper recorded 18 interceptions for the Vikings from 2005-08.

http://www.twincities.com/ci_18957132?source=most_viewed

Purple Floyd
09-23-2011, 07:38 AM
And the WR position hasn't been the same since Moss left.

OTOH that TE position might be the best it has ever been and the RB position without a doubt is the best it has ever been.

Marrdro
09-23-2011, 08:30 AM
I like how the author "Fox Sports" the dates. Anyone who knows anything knows that Sharp didn't really do anything once we went to a Cover 2 scheme. Truth is, he had 9 INT's the year before the scheme change, 9 total in the 3 years he played in the scheme and then a year with 9 when he wasn't in the scheme.

Silly sports hack. He should know that S's that play in our scheme aren't gonna get numbers that he speaks of.

singersp
09-23-2011, 08:42 AM
I like how the author "Fox Sports" the dates. Anyone who knows anything knows that Sharp didn't really do anything once we went to a Cover 2 scheme. Truth is, he had 9 INT's the year before the scheme change, 9 total in the 3 years he played in the scheme and then a year with 9 when he wasn't in the scheme.

Silly sports hack. He should know that S's that play in our scheme aren't gonna get numbers that he speaks of.

Silly Vikings. They should know the secret to getting more turnovers in the secondary is by getting rid of or changing the Cover 2 scheme

MulletMullitia
09-23-2011, 08:55 AM
Silly Vikings. They should know the secret to getting more turnovers in the secondary is by getting rid of or changing the Cover 2 scheme

Not saying that I approve of the Tampa 2, but it's not going anywhere. Tony Dungy invented it, and Leslie Frazier is trying to be exactly like his mentor. We will run the Tampa 2 for as long as he's here.

Marrdro
09-23-2011, 09:23 AM
Silly Vikings. They should know the secret to getting more turnovers in the secondary is by getting rid of or changing the Cover 2 scheme
Or, if they stay with the scheme, is to get pressure on the QB with just your front four.

Whinny's, Hussains INT's and the one dropped by Sanford, all came from the DL forcing the QB into a bad decision.

As I said the ohter day, what the lions DT this weekend and you will see what a cat like that can do to a QB and his decision making process. :)

Marrdro
09-23-2011, 09:26 AM
Not saying that I approve of the Tampa 2, but it's not going anywhere. Tony Dungy invented it, and Leslie Frazier is trying to be exactly like his mentor. We will run the Tampa 2 for as long as he's here.
Couldn't agree more.

My biggest letdown this year is that I believed we would see our CB's used in more of a Zone Press look and a different approach to our DL's ability to get pressure.

The Zone Press has been there when it comes to Griff and Cook, but we sure seem to be relying on LB and as we saw last week, S help to pressure the QB.

Some would say that both aspects are a deviation from the Cover 2, which I could go along with, however, it sure doens't seem to work late in the game when they quit doing it and just rush the front 4.

tastywaves
09-23-2011, 10:37 AM
Couldn't agree more.

My biggest letdown this year is that I believed we would see our CB's used in more of a Zone Press look and a different approach to our DL's ability to get pressure.

The Zone Press has been there when it comes to Griff and Cook, but we sure seem to be relying on LB and as we saw last week, S help to pressure the QB.

Some would say that both aspects are a deviation from the Cover 2, which I could go along with, however, it sure doens't seem to work late in the game when they quit doing it and just rush the front 4.

Part of that conservative philosophy especially with a lead late in the game. It's been in MN longer than I care to remember. Any QB in the league will look good against the Vikings late in a game while trailing. And it's not just a scheme related issue, it is a philosophy of the coaches. We constantly go away from what brought us success early in the game, to just try and hang on and not make mistakes. Which we obviously are not very good at, so why not keep the heat on.

I'm beginning to thing the best chance we have at winning a game is by starting out flat, lulling our opponents to sleep and then cranking it up in the second half. Pretty ridiculous, but don't know how else to account for the amount of energy this team starts with compared to how they look once they have a lead.

Formo
09-23-2011, 11:20 AM
As I said the ohter day, what the lions DT this weekend and you will see what a cat like that can do to a QB and his decision making process. :)

I was thinking about Suh today on the way home from job #1.. I'd trade K. Will in his 2nd year for Suh in his 2nd year, 100% of the time.

marstc09
09-23-2011, 03:24 PM
Or, if they stay with the scheme, is to get pressure on the QB with just your front four.

Whinny's, Hussains INT's and the one dropped by Sanford, all came from the DL forcing the QB into a bad decision.

As I said the ohter day, what the lions DT this weekend and you will see what a cat like that can do to a QB and his decision making process. :)

The Lions have 4 INTs and the Vikings have 3. Once again your logic is flawed.

ConnecticutViking
09-24-2011, 07:08 AM
Couldn't agree more.


The Zone Press has been there when it comes to Griff and Cook, but we sure seem to be relying on LB and as we saw last week, S help to pressure the QB.
I agree... We are selling out with our LB and this opens up the middle of the field. Dinks/Dunks, slants and Ins from the TE are eating us up. Maybe with Williams coming back we can increase pressure with out Front Four.

singersp
09-24-2011, 07:38 AM
Whinny's, Hussains INT's and the one dropped by Sanford, all came from the DL forcing the QB into a bad decision.



It was Tyrell Johnson that dropped what would have been an INT & a been a potential game winner, not Sanford.

Sanford > Johnson

battleaxe4cheese
09-24-2011, 09:45 AM
I don't mind the cover 2 D but I would prefer man coverage. Problem with that is you need at least one elite safety and one elite corner. One or the other don't get it done. It's hard to find and pay for that kind of talent in this league.

On the other hand, tampa 2 and no pass rush equals doom.

Freya
09-24-2011, 01:55 PM
I'm fairly certain that our secondary mostly sucked even before Sharper left. Essentially, nothing has changed in 5 years there. With or without Sharper.

jessejames09
09-24-2011, 02:04 PM
I like how the author "Fox Sports" the dates. Anyone who knows anything knows that Sharp didn't really do anything once we went to a Cover 2 scheme. Truth is, he had 9 INT's the year before the scheme change, 9 total in the 3 years he played in the scheme and then a year with 9 when he wasn't in the scheme.

Silly sports hack. He should know that S's that play in our scheme aren't gonna get numbers that he speaks of.

Agreed.

Now lets take a look at someone who did excel in the cover 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Nmpm8N_Ek

It's not like it's a scheme where safeties can't step up. We just need to fly to the ball. If we had 2 safeties that were half as good as John Lynch.... Shit.

singersp
09-25-2011, 09:27 AM
Agreed.

Now lets take a look at someone who did excel in the cover 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Nmpm8N_Ek

It's not like it's a scheme where safeties can't step up. We just need to fly to the ball. If we had 2 safeties that were half as good as John Lynch.... Shit.

So doesn't that tell you that if you don't have the personnel to run the Cover 2, you probably shouldn't be running it?

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, but the Vikings still try to take players & make them something they're not.