PDA

View Full Version : Vikings' receivers not good enough



singersp
09-20-2011, 07:55 AM
Rajkowski column: Vikings' receivers not good enough

...looking at the numbers, one obvious factor jumps out: This team just does not possess a reliable passing game at least not at this point in the still-young season.

And that makes it awfully difficult to win in the NFL.


http://www.sctimes.com/article/20110920/SPORTS/109200003/Rajkowski-column-Vikings-receivers-not-good-enough?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CSports%7Cs

singersp
09-20-2011, 08:02 AM
The biggest issue is that the Vikings dont possess any truly dynamic receivers. Percy Harvin is the best of the group, but hes not a true deep threat and thus far he has nine catches for 83 yards. Free agent pickup Michael Jenkins is what he was advertised as being a competent possession receiver at best.

And Bernard Berrian? The Vikings were hoping he could regain the form he once had earlier in his career and become that badly-needed home run threat. But thus far, he seems like the same MIA Berrian weve seen the past two seasons. He has one catch for 17 yards in the first two games.


Either the guy can read my mind or he is echoing what many of us already know, sans Marrdro.

MulletMullitia
09-20-2011, 08:20 AM
I agree with you 100% Singer. About the awful receiving core, Berrian, and especially Randy Moss! If Alshon Jeffery or Justin Blackmon are still on the board when we draft in the first round, do we take them over a stud LT? I really don't know. If Matt Kalil is off the board, I'd be all for it.

Purple Floyd
09-20-2011, 08:26 AM
There will be lots of holes to plug. Whoever is the BPA will probably be an upgrade unless it is a TE or RB.

MulletMullitia
09-20-2011, 08:42 AM
There will be lots of holes to plug. Whoever is the BPA will probably be an upgrade unless it is a TE or RB.

Add DE to that list of positions that are already filled. I'm so sick of seeing mock drafts with a DE going to us in the first round. Drafting a DE in the first round would almost be as stupid as drafting a RB in the first. It needs to be a LT or WR. However, I would love to draft Vontaze Burfict (MLB). Best linebacker prospect since Ray Lewis. Although he has character issues to say the least. But his violent past is actually a plus in my book. I love violent linebackers. He has special talent that doesn't come around every year. Among the players that I would love to draft in the first round this year: Andrew Luck, Matt Kalil, Alshon Jeffery, Justin Blackmon, Vontaze Burfict, or Jonathan Martin.

Purple Floyd
09-20-2011, 09:23 AM
Agreed

C Mac D
09-20-2011, 09:24 AM
it doesn't help that Harvin is only on the field for less than half the plays: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5197/percy-harvin

Musgrave is reaffirming my beliefs that he's just Childress 2.0.

Slightly off topic: ... also not sure why Tyrell Johnson is still playing safety for us when our best safeties are Jamarca Sanford and Mistral Raymond. Our team has been unable to identify talent hidden within our roster for about 6 years now. Frustrating to watch.

Purple Floyd
09-20-2011, 09:37 AM
Maybe they are tanking the team in order to get the fan base to not care when they move the team to LA

C Mac D
09-20-2011, 09:46 AM
Maybe they are tanking the team in order to get the fan base to not care when they move the team to LA

Or maybe they aren't good coaches.

Purple Floyd
09-20-2011, 10:06 AM
It's possible. I am not going to harp on them until this becomes a recurring trend. At this point they are stuck with marginal talent and don't have the cap space to plug the holes so I don't expect them to win the division and wouldn't be surprised if they are a few ticks worse than last year in the win column but I do expect them to play hard and do the best with what they have. At this point that is not happening as evidenced by the last 2 collapses. Hopefully they can get their stuff together at least to the point of not looking embarrassing.

Marrdro
09-20-2011, 10:42 AM
Could they target a WR in the draft? Sure, makes sense, but for this year, 39 yards increased to 289 yards in one week. Guess what it will be in a couple more weeks.

The deep passes you so much crave will come. Heck, look at last weeks box score. They not only threw multiple times to Berrian, Orasmashodu (sp) also had some targets on the other side.

Patience my friends, patience.

C Mac D
09-20-2011, 11:00 AM
Here's another article about the puzzling lack of Harvin in the play-calling: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/20/percy-harvins-usage-makes-no-sense/

MulletMullitia
09-20-2011, 11:23 AM
Thanks for that link Mac! I thought it was weird that he was missing out on a lot of plays. But I didn't think it was 45%! Wow. That's unacceptable. And really weird. It makes absolutely no sense.

C Mac D
09-20-2011, 11:28 AM
Could they target a WR in the draft? Sure, makes sense, but for this year, 39 yards increased to 289 yards in one week. Guess what it will be in a couple more weeks.

The deep passes you so much crave will come. Heck, look at last weeks box score. They not only threw multiple times to Berrian, Orasmashodu (sp) also had some targets on the other side.

Patience my friends, patience.

Again... no one even mentioned deep passes. There is a difference between 'deep passing' and having a passing game. We do not have an effective passing game and aren't gaining YAC... which is Harvin's specialty, but he's only being utilized on 45% of the offensive plays.

No one mentioned the deep pass. It's not even on the radar right now. Berrian needs to be cut, not sure why he's seeing so much playing time.

Musgrave = Childress 2.0... and I'm also not a firm believer in Fraizer, like most. Just because the guy reminds you of Tony Dungy does not make him Tony Dungy.

Marrdro
09-20-2011, 12:52 PM
Again... no one even mentioned deep passes. There is a difference between 'deep passing' and having a passing game. We do not have an effective passing game and aren't gaining YAC... which is Harvin's specialty, but he's only being utilized on 45% of the offensive plays.

No one mentioned the deep pass. It's not even on the radar right now. Berrian needs to be cut, not sure why he's seeing so much playing time.

Musgrave = Childress 2.0... and I'm also not a firm believer in Fraizer, like most. Just because the guy reminds you of Tony Dungy does not make him Tony Dungy.
Not every post is specifically centered around you my friend. Go back read the whole thread and see what the intent of the original poster was in this thread and the other 3 that are crying for Berrians replacement.

And please, don't take anything I say as support for Musgrove. In your absence you have missed all the crap I've been spewing that says there is no real difference.

I'm only saying that whomever and whatever scheme would have been used this year would take time to install with some facets coming around faster than others.

From what I have seen it looks like running first, short passes second, intermediate third, deep fourth is their timeline.

We have the running going, short passes and a few intermediates looking good and we finally saw some effort to throw deeper.

Taking that all into account, not sure why you think Berrian is seeing more reps than anyone else. Truth is, he has been seeing quite a bit less and isn't even on the field when we have a 13 or 23 set out there.

Notice how I mentioned all facets so don't come back and say you didn't say anything about deep passes again. :)