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Marrdro
08-29-2011, 03:46 PM
Offensive lineman Conan Amituanai, tight end Ed Barham, defensive backs Simeon Castille and Chris Adingupu, linebacker Jonathan Gilmore, wide receiver Andre Holmes, linebacker Kyle O'Donnell, kicker Nate Whitaker and defensive tackle Colby Whitlock are no longer Vikings.



Ryan Longwell is the only kicker on the Vikings' roster after Whitaker's departure.:sick:

Vikings cut QB Rhett Bomar, WR Andre Holmes, eight others
(http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_18780199?source=rss)

BloodyHorns82
08-29-2011, 04:18 PM
Offensive lineman Conan Amituanai, tight end Ed Barham, defensive backs Simeon Castille and Chris Adingupu, linebacker Jonathan Gilmore, wide receiver Andre Holmes, linebacker Kyle O'Donnell, kicker Nate Whitaker and defensive tackle Colby Whitlock are no longer Vikings.



Ryan Longwell is the only kicker on the Vikings' roster after Whitaker's departure.:sick:

Vikings cut QB Rhett Bomar, WR Andre Holmes, eight others
(http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_18780199?source=rss)

Longwell's been having a pretty good season so far hasn't he?

He's always been pretty solid at FGs, it was his KOs that were questionable, and those have been looking pretty good. I'm not too worried with what I've seen so far.

BleedinPandG
08-29-2011, 04:52 PM
Well... he was 1 for 3 on FGs last night... so with an opportunity to score 9 points, he came away with 3... and gave up 7 by having one of them blocked... I think that puts him at -4 pts for the night, we'd have been better off taking a knee then sending him in!

NDVikingFan66
08-29-2011, 05:17 PM
Marrdo

Not sure your hatred for Longwell (other than the short kickoffs) but he is consistently one of the best kickers year in and year out.

Feild Goals
2010
1 Ryan Longwell, PK MIN 17 18 94.4 (Missed 1 at 30-39 yards)
2009
2 Ryan Longwell, PK MIN 26 28 92.9 (Missed 1 at 30-39 and 1 at 40-49)
2008
17 Ryan Longwell, PK MIN 29 34 85.3 (Missed 2 at 30-39 and 3 at 40-49)
2007
19 Ryan Longwell, PK MIN 20 24 83.3 (Missed 1 at 40-49 and 3 at 50+)
2006
14 Ryan Longwell, PK MIN 21 25 84.0 (Missed 2 at 40-49 and 2 at 50+)

I can accept a knock that he could be more accurate at the longer ranges, but knocking on him because he is a former packer is a bit harsh. The last 2 years he has been solid for us. I would argue that our offense could be a bit more efficient and pick up additional yardage for our kicker, making his job easier.

Now, if you have a better selection that the team can actually pick up, I would certainly love to hear who that would be, and we could evaluate from there.

PS. I did not take the time to check stats of how Longwell stacks up to other kickers at the long distances, but I may do that for the fun of it.

BloodyHorns82
08-29-2011, 05:23 PM
Hasn't Longwell made like 9 in a row over 50 yards?

MulletMullitia
08-29-2011, 05:23 PM
He worried me a little bit in the Cowboys game. I've always supported Longwell, but he missed short from 53 and the 44 yarder he made looked like it BARELY made it over the bar. It looks like our notoriously short kicker is getting even shorter. Not very excited that we signed him to a long contract.

STCLOUDSAYSGOVIKES
08-29-2011, 05:42 PM
I mentioned longwell is on his last leg in another thread, and mars jumped on me for it. The 53 yarder was a good 8 yards short sat. night. It took 2 bounces and a good roll to get it to touch the goal post.

As for kickoffs, sans 1 late in the game, dallas was getting a running start.

The game replays tonight at 7 central, if anyone wants to watch it.

tastywaves
08-29-2011, 08:24 PM
Well... he was 1 for 3 on FGs last night... so with an opportunity to score 9 points, he came away with 3... and gave up 7 by having one of them blocked... I think that puts him at -4 pts for the night, we'd have been better off taking a knee then sending him in!

Where's Tarvaris when you need him.

tastywaves
08-29-2011, 08:27 PM
Marrdo

Not sure your hatred for Longwell (other than the short kickoffs) but he is consistently one of the best kickers year in and year out.

Feild Goals
2010
1 Ryan Longwell, PK MIN 17 18 94.4 (Missed 1 at 30-39 yards)
2009
2 Ryan Longwell, PK MIN 26 28 92.9 (Missed 1 at 30-39 and 1 at 40-49)
2008
17 Ryan Longwell, PK MIN 29 34 85.3 (Missed 2 at 30-39 and 3 at 40-49)
2007
19 Ryan Longwell, PK MIN 20 24 83.3 (Missed 1 at 40-49 and 3 at 50+)
2006
14 Ryan Longwell, PK MIN 21 25 84.0 (Missed 2 at 40-49 and 2 at 50+)

I can accept a knock that he could be more accurate at the longer ranges, but knocking on him because he is a former packer is a bit harsh. The last 2 years he has been solid for us. I would argue that our offense could be a bit more efficient and pick up additional yardage for our kicker, making his job easier.

Now, if you have a better selection that the team can actually pick up, I would certainly love to hear who that would be, and we could evaluate from there.

PS. I did not take the time to check stats of how Longwell stacks up to other kickers at the long distances, but I may do that for the fun of it.

It's the green and gold blood in his veins that forever puts him in Marrdro's doghouse.

ejmat
08-29-2011, 09:16 PM
I mentioned longwell is on his last leg in another thread, and mars jumped on me for it. The 53 yarder was a good 8 yards short sat. night. It took 2 bounces and a good roll to get it to touch the goal post.

As for kickoffs, sans 1 late in the game, dallas was getting a running start.

The game replays tonight at 7 central, if anyone wants to watch it.
Is the game still at 7 tonight? I thought it was changed due to the Jet/Giant game moving to tonight. I think it replays on Tuesday sometime but I'm not positive.

tastywaves
08-29-2011, 10:01 PM
I mentioned longwell is on his last leg in another thread, and mars jumped on me for it. The 53 yarder was a good 8 yards short sat. night. It took 2 bounces and a good roll to get it to touch the goal post.

As for kickoffs, sans 1 late in the game, dallas was getting a running start.

The game replays tonight at 7 central, if anyone wants to watch it.
Is the game still at 7 tonight? I thought it was changed due to the Jet/Giant game moving to tonight. I think it replays on Tuesday sometime but I'm not positive.

Their website shows them moving the vikings re-broadcast to 10pm eastern.

ejmat
08-29-2011, 10:54 PM
I mentioned longwell is on his last leg in another thread, and mars jumped on me for it. The 53 yarder was a good 8 yards short sat. night. It took 2 bounces and a good roll to get it to touch the goal post.

As for kickoffs, sans 1 late in the game, dallas was getting a running start.

The game replays tonight at 7 central, if anyone wants to watch it.
Is the game still at 7 tonight? I thought it was changed due to the Jet/Giant game moving to tonight. I think it replays on Tuesday sometime but I'm not positive.
Thanks tasty.

Their website shows them moving the vikings re-broadcast to 10pm eastern.

gregair13
08-29-2011, 11:45 PM
I have never heard of any of those players that got cut.

Marrdro
08-30-2011, 07:28 PM
Marrdo

Not sure your hatred for Longwell (other than the short kickoffs) but he is consistently one of the best kickers year in and year out.

Feild Goals
2010
1 Ryan Longwell, PK MIN 17 18 94.4 (Missed 1 at 30-39 yards)
2009
2 Ryan Longwell, PK MIN 26 28 92.9 (Missed 1 at 30-39 and 1 at 40-49)
2008
17 Ryan Longwell, PK MIN 29 34 85.3 (Missed 2 at 30-39 and 3 at 40-49)
2007
19 Ryan Longwell, PK MIN 20 24 83.3 (Missed 1 at 40-49 and 3 at 50+)
2006
14 Ryan Longwell, PK MIN 21 25 84.0 (Missed 2 at 40-49 and 2 at 50+)

I can accept a knock that he could be more accurate at the longer ranges, but knocking on him because he is a former packer is a bit harsh. The last 2 years he has been solid for us. I would argue that our offense could be a bit more efficient and pick up additional yardage for our kicker, making his job easier.

Now, if you have a better selection that the team can actually pick up, I would certainly love to hear who that would be, and we could evaluate from there.

PS. I did not take the time to check stats of how Longwell stacks up to other kickers at the long distances, but I may do that for the fun of it.
First, I don't hate football players. Thats a emotion I use only for certain individuals in certain circumstances.

Second, One of my failings in life that I repeatedly have apologized for on here......I do not like anything PUKER. It is just something I can't get over.

Third, my biggest hack on Shortwell was his short kickoffs. By the way, I didn't make up his knickname, it was given to him by members of the PUKER media.

Fourth, I tolerate him on this team cause he can kick FG's. When he can't do that, like any other player on this team who fails to produce, I will start saying its time to go, regardless of his background or history.

Trust me, when/if AD ever starts to play like an old has been I will ask for him to leave as well. On that I have been pretty consistent.

Fifth, his history has nothing to do with this year. This year will determine what happens this year, not how many long FG's he has kicked in the past.

So far he has been short on Kickoffs and is now missing FG's (atleast last game).

Sixth, ....There were several I would have tried to bring in, but alas, our CAP issues and time have made all of them out of reach I fear.

In no specific order.....
Prater. Longer on kickoffs and just as accurate inside the 40 as Shortwell.
Vinatieri. More clutch than Shortwell ever was. Has had some dropoff on KOffs though but again, the rule helps just like it should with our current kicker.
David Akers. No issues. Kicks outside and has lots of distance. Just as reliable as Shortwell especially outside of 50.
Matt Bryant. I think he was something like 8 of 11 outside the 50 last year.

In the long run, I guess we are stuck with him and just to stress it one more time, as long as he makes FG's I won't beeyyyyatch (to much), but when he starts missing them, standby for heavy rolls as the ship comes about.(Old Navy warning when a ship turns in heavy seas):)

Marrdro
08-30-2011, 07:33 PM
I mentioned longwell is on his last leg in another thread, and mars jumped on me for it. The 53 yarder was a good 8 yards short sat. night. It took 2 bounces and a good roll to get it to touch the goal post.

As for kickoffs, sans 1 late in the game, dallas was getting a running start.

The game replays tonight at 7 central, if anyone wants to watch it.
I don't think our good friend Mars intended to jump you.

Most of the stuff about Shortwell on this site comes from my constant dislike of anything PUKER and is usually posted to poke me in the eye.....

In short, Ole Mars is a good poster who knows alot about the game. I'm sure his reply was more directed at my pea brain than at you my friend. ;)

Marrdro
08-30-2011, 07:36 PM
It's the green and gold blood in his veins that forever puts him in Marrdro's doghouse.
Our good friend Tasty understands the main issue, but I am also sure that he will also say that I usually only hack on players if they actually have it coming.

In almost every post to date, I have repeatedly said how good Mr. Shortwell was at FG's and my only issue with him was related to his Kickoff prowes.

Problem, atleast for now, is that he missed 2 out of 3 FG's. Kickers, damn good ones for that matter, have been shitcanned for alot less my friends.;)

Marrdro
08-30-2011, 07:39 PM
He worried me a little bit in the Cowboys game. I've always supported Longwell, but he missed short from 53 and the 44 yarder he made looked like it BARELY made it over the bar. It looks like our notoriously short kicker is getting even shorter. Not very excited that we signed him to a long contract.
As our good friend Mars pointed out, one was missed/blocked because a guy used poor technique on the line. The other was just a bad hit.

I'm hoping, just as much as Ole Mars is, that the bad hit doesn't happen anymore.

If it does, I'm sure there is an out in the contract that will make him releasable, problem is, who is still out there that could come in and replace him at this point.

marshallvike
08-30-2011, 08:10 PM
He worried me a little bit in the Cowboys game. I've always supported Longwell, but he missed short from 53 and the 44 yarder he made looked like it BARELY made it over the bar. It looks like our notoriously short kicker is getting even shorter. Not very excited that we signed him to a long contract.
As our good friend Mars pointed out, one was missed/blocked because a guy used poor technique on the line. The other was just a bad hit.

I'm hoping, just as much as Ole Mars is, that the bad hit doesn't happen anymore.

If it does, I'm sure there is an out in the contract that will make him releasable, problem is, who is still out there that could come in and replace him at this point.

from walter football

http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2011KP.php


Ryan Longwell, K, Vikings. Age: 37.
Re-signed with Vikings (4 years, $12 million)

Ryan Longwell's field goal percentages the past five years: 84.0, 83.3, 85.3, 92.9 and 94.4. Age is a concern, but Longwell is still one of the NFL's elite kickers.

Marrdro
08-31-2011, 02:30 PM
He worried me a little bit in the Cowboys game. I've always supported Longwell, but he missed short from 53 and the 44 yarder he made looked like it BARELY made it over the bar. It looks like our notoriously short kicker is getting even shorter. Not very excited that we signed him to a long contract.
As our good friend Mars pointed out, one was missed/blocked because a guy used poor technique on the line. The other was just a bad hit.

I'm hoping, just as much as Ole Mars is, that the bad hit doesn't happen anymore.

If it does, I'm sure there is an out in the contract that will make him releasable, problem is, who is still out there that could come in and replace him at this point.

from walter football

http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2011KP.php


Ryan Longwell, K, Vikings. Age: 37.
Re-signed with Vikings (4 years, $12 million)

Ryan Longwell's field goal percentages the past five years: 84.0, 83.3, 85.3, 92.9 and 94.4. Age is a concern, but Longwell is still one of the NFL's elite kickers.
Good stuff my friend. Again, I love what he has done in the past and have been pretty clear that his FG's were not my issue.

But those numbers are in the past. Were they a factor in him being retained by the Vikes? Sure, but what he does on the field this year will be what drives the train, not his history.

So far, I'm not liking what I'm seeing.

Just to recap, in case it gets confused.....

a. He hasn't kicked one deep yet. I am not sure if he can, however, what I am sure of is the staff is asking him to kick it higher, with more hang time, in an effort to tackle the guy before he gets to the 20 instead of just kicking it deep and giving them the ball on the 20......so we don't really know if he can kick it out of the endzone.

b. He has missed at least one FG due to a poor kick. The other can be attributed to bad line play.

In the end, there is no real need to panick here, unless of course he starts missing them on a regular basis. ;)

BloodyHorns82
08-31-2011, 03:39 PM
He worried me a little bit in the Cowboys game. I've always supported Longwell, but he missed short from 53 and the 44 yarder he made looked like it BARELY made it over the bar. It looks like our notoriously short kicker is getting even shorter. Not very excited that we signed him to a long contract.
As our good friend Mars pointed out, one was missed/blocked because a guy used poor technique on the line. The other was just a bad hit.

I'm hoping, just as much as Ole Mars is, that the bad hit doesn't happen anymore.

If it does, I'm sure there is an out in the contract that will make him releasable, problem is, who is still out there that could come in and replace him at this point.

from walter football

http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2011KP.php


Ryan Longwell, K, Vikings. Age: 37.
Re-signed with Vikings (4 years, $12 million)

Ryan Longwell's field goal percentages the past five years: 84.0, 83.3, 85.3, 92.9 and 94.4. Age is a concern, but Longwell is still one of the NFL's elite kickers.
Good stuff my friend. Again, I love what he has done in the past and have been pretty clear that his FG's were not my issue.

But those numbers are in the past. Were they a factor in him being retained by the Vikes? Sure, but what he does on the field this year will be what drives the train, not his history.

So far, I'm not liking what I'm seeing.

Just to recap, in case it gets confused.....

a. He hasn't kicked one deep yet. I am not sure if he can, however, what I am sure of is the staff is asking him to kick it higher, with more hang time, in an effort to tackle the guy before he gets to the 20 instead of just kicking it deep and giving them the ball on the 20......so we don't really know if he can kick it out of the endzone.

b. He has missed at least one FG due to a poor kick. The other can be attributed to bad line play.

In the end, there is no real need to panick here, unless of course he starts missing them on a regular basis. ;)

Also a moot point is whether or not he has the abiilty to kick it deep. We no longer need him to kick it deep.

Marrdro
08-31-2011, 03:42 PM
He worried me a little bit in the Cowboys game. I've always supported Longwell, but he missed short from 53 and the 44 yarder he made looked like it BARELY made it over the bar. It looks like our notoriously short kicker is getting even shorter. Not very excited that we signed him to a long contract.
As our good friend Mars pointed out, one was missed/blocked because a guy used poor technique on the line. The other was just a bad hit.

I'm hoping, just as much as Ole Mars is, that the bad hit doesn't happen anymore.

If it does, I'm sure there is an out in the contract that will make him releasable, problem is, who is still out there that could come in and replace him at this point.

from walter football

http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2011KP.php


Ryan Longwell, K, Vikings. Age: 37.
Re-signed with Vikings (4 years, $12 million)

Ryan Longwell's field goal percentages the past five years: 84.0, 83.3, 85.3, 92.9 and 94.4. Age is a concern, but Longwell is still one of the NFL's elite kickers.
Good stuff my friend. Again, I love what he has done in the past and have been pretty clear that his FG's were not my issue.

But those numbers are in the past. Were they a factor in him being retained by the Vikes? Sure, but what he does on the field this year will be what drives the train, not his history.

So far, I'm not liking what I'm seeing.

Just to recap, in case it gets confused.....

a. He hasn't kicked one deep yet. I am not sure if he can, however, what I am sure of is the staff is asking him to kick it higher, with more hang time, in an effort to tackle the guy before he gets to the 20 instead of just kicking it deep and giving them the ball on the 20......so we don't really know if he can kick it out of the endzone.

b. He has missed at least one FG due to a poor kick. The other can be attributed to bad line play.

In the end, there is no real need to panick here, unless of course he starts missing them on a regular basis. ;)

Also a moot point is whether or not he has the abiilty to kick it deep. We no longer need him to kick it deep.
Agree, but it would be nice to see him kick it atleast deep enough so that teams don't bring it out all the time.

I understand what they are trying to do with the shallow/high hang time approach, but all we need to do is have one breakdown in coverage or have one not hang as long as he intended and it would completely change a game.

For a team that will have to work to get to 10-6/11-5, that could be a season killer.

tarkenton10
08-31-2011, 04:17 PM
Longwell isn't bad but like many org. (Vikings)that have no vision they look for a kicker once they don't have one. I watched the draft and was mad that we never drafted Alex henery. I am a huge Nebraska fan and he can kick sixty yarders!! He has ice in his veins and he can also punt if need be. He will be the best kicker in the game in two years bar none! We should have drafted him and you wouldn't be worrying about kickoffs. As usual another team (Eagles) was smart and got a great young kicker and next year we will have Jack!!

Marrdro
08-31-2011, 04:25 PM
Longwell isn't bad but like many org. (Vikings)that have no vision they look for a kicker once they don't have one. I watched the draft and was mad that we never drafted Alex henery. I am a huge Nebraska fan and he can kick sixty yarders!! He has ice in his veins and he can also punt if need be. He will be the best kicker in the game in two years bar none! We should have drafted him and you wouldn't be worrying about kickoffs. As usual another team (Eagles) was smart and got a great young kicker and next year we will have Jack!!
Damn, its a sighting of our good friend Tark......

JK, good to see you and a great post. ;)

For the life of me I can't figure out why teams won't "Grow" a kicker. Seems like old retreads are just "Retreaded" all the time. What bothers me the most is after I made a few posts on this topic yesterday, I went and looked at what K'rs of Shortwells caliber (and better) went for.

We sure could have had a nice upgrade of a few of those "Retreads" for what we are paying him.

Marrdro
08-31-2011, 04:59 PM
With roughly 80 players still remaining on the Minnesota Vikings roster, and under a week left to reach 53, the Vikings will be looking hard at whom they need to cut, as well as who deserves to go—two opposing situations that will be answered this week.

Here are the five player I think deserve to be let go for various reasons.



NFL Roster Cuts 2011: 5 Minnesota Vikings Who Deserve to Be Let Go (Bleacher Report) (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/828452-nfl-roster-cuts-2011-5-minnesota-vikings-who-deserve-to-be-let-go)

Purple Floyd
08-31-2011, 11:13 PM
Longwell isn't bad but like many org. (Vikings)that have no vision they look for a kicker once they don't have one. I watched the draft and was mad that we never drafted Alex henery. I am a huge Nebraska fan and he can kick sixty yarders!! He has ice in his veins and he can also punt if need be. He will be the best kicker in the game in two years bar none! We should have drafted him and you wouldn't be worrying about kickoffs. As usual another team (Eagles) was smart and got a great young kicker and next year we will have Jack!!
Damn, its a sighting of our good friend Tark......

JK, good to see you and a great post. ;)

For the life of me I can't figure out why teams the Vikings won't "Grow" a kickerQB. Seems like old retreads are just "Retreaded" all the time. What bothers me the most is after I made a few posts on this topic yesterday, I went and looked at what K'rs QB's of Shortwells ( Insert latest washed up retread QB) caliber (and better) went for.

We sure could have had a nice upgrade of a few of those "Retreads" for what we are paying him.


Boy you said a mouthful there Marr my friend.

ejmat
09-01-2011, 01:16 PM
With roughly 80 players still remaining on the Minnesota Vikings roster, and under a week left to reach 53, the Vikings will be looking hard at whom they need to cut, as well as who deserves to go—two opposing situations that will be answered this week.

Here are the five player I think deserve to be let go for various reasons.



NFL Roster Cuts 2011: 5 Minnesota Vikings Who Deserve to Be Let Go (Bleacher Report) (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/828452-nfl-roster-cuts-2011-5-minnesota-vikings-who-deserve-to-be-let-go)
Thanks for the read. Maybe I've been watching different games but Ryan D'Imperio? What has he done or not done to be cut? IMO this guy will be great as a FB. He's much better than Tahi (not saying much) but he definitely can catch and run. His blocking has had it's ups and downs but to say he needs to be cut is ridiculous to me. Then he talks about Charlie Johnson. I admit he hasn't had the best camp. I can tell you he did much better in the 3rd game. However, who is his replacement? I think this guy needs to seriously rethink his agenda.

Marrdro
09-01-2011, 01:21 PM
Boy you said a mouthful there Marr my friend.
You still crack me up no matter what screen name you use. :woohoo:

Marrdro
09-01-2011, 01:24 PM
With roughly 80 players still remaining on the Minnesota Vikings roster, and under a week left to reach 53, the Vikings will be looking hard at whom they need to cut, as well as who deserves to go—two opposing situations that will be answered this week.

Here are the five player I think deserve to be let go for various reasons.



NFL Roster Cuts 2011: 5 Minnesota Vikings Who Deserve to Be Let Go (Bleacher Report) (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/828452-nfl-roster-cuts-2011-5-minnesota-vikings-who-deserve-to-be-let-go)
Thanks for the read. Maybe I've been watching different games but Ryan D'Imperio? What has he done or not done to be cut? IMO this guy will be great as a FB. He's much better than Tahi (not saying much) but he definitely can catch and run. His blocking has had it's ups and downs but to say he needs to be cut is ridiculous to me. Then he talks about Charlie Johnson. I admit he hasn't had the best camp. I can tell you he did much better in the 3rd game. However, who is his replacement? I think this guy needs to seriously rethink his agenda.
He is kindof clueless on a couple of his recommendations.

On a side note, I'm not all that impressed with D'imperio. Truth of the matter is, I think you take a weapon off the field when you put him out there.

I like it alot more when they put Dugan or even Sauce back there and either throw to them coming out or motion them out of the backfield.

Again, one change in the scheme is that this O-coord admits there isn't much of a role for a FB in this scheme and says he can live without one. After watching the stuff I mentioned above, I can't see why everyone hasn't caught on to that.