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singersp
08-17-2011, 01:44 AM
The Vikings Offensive Line is a Bleeping Mess

The general consensus after the first preseason game is that the Vikings‘ offensive line looks about as stout as a group of fourth graders attempting to protect their school from a 50-ft tsunami by standing in front of it with their arms interlocked. Yes it was that brutal at times. I don’t want to suggest Steve Hutchinson looked washed-up on that one 3rd-and-short play, but the only other time I remember a grown man going backward that fast it was because he got too close to a jet engine.

http://thevikingage.com/2011/08/16/the-vikings-offensive-line-is-a-bleeping-mess/

MaxVike
08-17-2011, 02:12 AM
The Vikings Offensive Line is a Bleeping Mess

The general consensus after the first preseason game is that the Vikings‘ offensive line looks about as stout as a group of fourth graders attempting to protect their school from a 50-ft tsunami by standing in front of it with their arms interlocked. Yes it was that brutal at times. I don’t want to suggest Steve Hutchinson looked washed-up on that one 3rd-and-short play, but the only other time I remember a grown man going backward that fast it was because he got too close to a jet engine.

http://thevikingage.com/2011/08/16/the-vikings-offensive-line-is-a-bleeping-mess/

Goddamnit, I get so pissed off by internet cocks who quote "general consensus" shit. Sorry PP.O, but, who the fuck is this guy?

What do you think? What is the "general consensus" of PP.O?

My take, a total work in progress. Good grief.....excuse me, I need to leave here, the sky is actually falling.

Purple Floyd
08-17-2011, 02:25 AM
I am going to go out on a limb and bet that Marty is going to label this guy as a yutz.

midgensa
08-17-2011, 03:23 AM
I am going to label this guy as a yutz on this topic.

I know the offensive line is not a strong point. But it is not nearly as bad as a) many around here would have you believe or b) the problems from preseason game 1 would indicate.

Obviously, Herrera appearing to be getting close to game shape is a HUGE lift. But all in all, we are not as bad as the Bears or the Lions ... which is good for the division. And there are a handful of other lines around the league that are not that good.

I think we definitely could be better here, but we also are not going to be god awful. It is going to be run of the mill. Which means the bad will stick out a lot.

Purple Floyd
08-17-2011, 03:34 AM
Run of the mill sucks IMO.

singersp
08-17-2011, 12:29 PM
I am going to go out on a limb and bet that Marty is going to label this guy as a yutz.

He'll tell us once again that the OL is fine, that cat Musgrave has it all in control & to have faith in the FO pukes.

My personal opinion is that it's never been close to as good as it was when Stringer & Dixon where here. It's been a mess 2005 to present.

Marrdro
08-17-2011, 03:22 PM
I am going to go out on a limb and bet that Marty is going to label this guy as a yutz.

He'll tell us once again that the OL is fine, that cat Musgrave has it all in control & to have faith in the FO pukes.

Why would I say either things......?

I've been saying since draft day that these yutzs don't have a clue when it comes to what they want to do on the OL this year.

What I have said is that even though most on here claim the OL was crap last year, it really wasn't as it graded out pretty high with 3 backups in there for a good share of the year.

Couple of real good articles that use "Profootballfocus" as their ref that were posted earlier on this site that alot of people ignored......

Vikings' Offensive Line Actually Not Terrible At Allowing Pressure (http://www.dailynorseman.com/2011/6/6/2210000/vikings-offensive-line-actually-not-terrible-at-allowing-pressure)

More From Pro Football Focus On The Vikings' Pass Protection (http://www.dailynorseman.com/2011/6/12/2220075/more-from-pro-football-focus-on-the-vikings-pass-protection)

I wonder why? Probably cause they don't want to admit they are missing the boat on the whole OL discussion or probably still living in the past......


My personal opinion is that it's never been close to as good as it was when Stringer & Dixon where here. It's been a mess 2005 to present.

Marrdro
08-17-2011, 04:45 PM
Access Vikings: Starting job available
(http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/127908963.html)

Mostly about the OL but some stuff on CB/S's

Freakout
08-17-2011, 07:50 PM
I would not be shocked if Raymond and Abdullah are our starting safeties by the end of the year. Both, at least to me, play more instinctual than Johnson and Sanford.

Brad C.
08-17-2011, 07:55 PM
I would not be shocked if Raymond and Abdullah are our starting safeties by the end of the year. Both, at least to me, play more instinctual than Johnson and Sanford.

Our starters should be Sanford and Raymond. Period. Best safeties on our roster, whether or not the coaching staff recognizes that is the only question.

Johnson14
08-17-2011, 08:04 PM
The Vikings Offensive Line is a Bleeping Mess

The general consensus after the first preseason game is that the Vikings‘ offensive line looks about as stout as a group of fourth graders attempting to protect their school from a 50-ft tsunami by standing in front of it with their arms interlocked. Yes it was that brutal at times. I don’t want to suggest Steve Hutchinson looked washed-up on that one 3rd-and-short play, but the only other time I remember a grown man going backward that fast it was because he got too close to a jet engine.

http://thevikingage.com/2011/08/16/the-vikings-offensive-line-is-a-bleeping-mess/

Goddamnit, I get so pissed off by internet cocks who quote "general consensus" shit. Sorry PP.O, but, who the fuck is this guy?

What do you think? What is the "general consensus" of PP.O?

My take, a total work in progress. Good grief.....excuse me, I need to leave here, the sky is actually falling.

singersp
08-19-2011, 03:32 AM
Vikings O-line needs playing time in new scheme, which brings injury risk

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/football/vikings-o-line-needs-playing-time-in-new-scheme-which-brings-injury-risk-128042633.html

singersp
08-19-2011, 03:45 AM
Vikings O-line needs playing time in new scheme, which brings injury risk

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/football/vikings-o-line-needs-playing-time-in-new-scheme-which-brings-injury-risk-128042633.html

Sorry Leslie, but you can't simply treat the OL with kid gloves all preseason & send them out there unprepared for the first part of the season & hope they "get it" & gel somewhere near mid-season.

It'll not only costs you games, but forces your QB to take the beating at the expensive of your OL learning a new system during the regular season games rather than during the softer preseason.

It won't be comforting to me, when our QB gets injured behind a confused, un-geled & unprepared OL & coach Frazier tells us not to worry because while they're not playing good together as a unit, at least the OL is still healthy.

singersp
08-19-2011, 03:48 AM
Vikings O-line needs playing time in new scheme, which brings injury risk

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/football/vikings-o-line-needs-playing-time-in-new-scheme-which-brings-injury-risk-128042633.html

Sorry Leslie, but you can't simply treat the OL with kid gloves all preseason & send them out there unprepared for the first part of the season & hope they "get it" & gel somewhere near mid-season.

It'll not only costs you games, but forces your QB to take the beating at the expensive of your OL learning a new system during the regular season games rather than during the softer preseason.

It won't be comforting to me, when our QB gets injured behind a confused, un-geled & unprepared OL & coach Frazier tells us not to worry because while they're not playing good together as a unit, at least the OL is still healthy.

MulletMullitia
08-19-2011, 05:09 AM
I'd like to see us try switching Loadholt to LT and Charlie Johnson to RT. Charlie is very undersized, and struggling badly already. Not saying that Loadholt would be a stellar LT for us. But he is big, young, and has a lot of potential. He just needs to make a lot less penalties.

midgensa
08-19-2011, 05:36 AM
I'd like to see us try switching Loadholt to LT and Charlie Johnson to RT. Charlie is very undersized, and struggling badly already. Not saying that Loadholt would be a stellar LT for us. But he is big, young, and has a lot of potential. He just needs to make a lot less penalties.

Loadholt is way too big to be effective at LT. He would be a major liability there against fast pass rushers.

midgensa
08-19-2011, 06:10 AM
I'd like to see us try switching Loadholt to LT and Charlie Johnson to RT. Charlie is very undersized, and struggling badly already. Not saying that Loadholt would be a stellar LT for us. But he is big, young, and has a lot of potential. He just needs to make a lot less penalties.

For some reason I cannot edit my last post ... so I will just respond again with the numbers.

Loadholt is WAY too big to be an effective LT. He would likely have to shed at least 20 pounds to be effective there.

- Loadholt is 343 pounds. The LARGEST LTs in the game last year were Bryant McKinnie and Marcus McNeill at 335 a piece.
- There were only NINE LTs in the entire NFL that weighed more than 319 pounds last season.
- The elite guys are all "small" and quick. Joe Thomas is 311, Jake Long is 315, D'Brickashaw Ferguson is a svelte 295, Jordan Gross is 300, Matt Light comes in at 305.
- The AVERAGE LT last season weighed 310 pounds.

Loadholt was drafted as a RT for a reason. He is WAY to large to deal with the serious pass rushers in this league.

MulletMullitia
08-19-2011, 06:33 AM
But would you rather have an undersized LT over an oversized LT? I'm not saying he would be great. I'd just like to see us try it. Load may get worked by speedy pass rushers, but Charlie is going to get worked by big bull-rushing pass rushers like Jared Allen. From what I've been reading, Allen has been absolutely embarrassing him.

singersp
08-19-2011, 12:50 PM
Vikings’ offseason apathy is cause for concern

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ycn-8982971

Purple Floyd
08-19-2011, 01:15 PM
Vikings’ offseason apathy is cause for concern

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ycn-8982971

Wilf is becoming Red part Deaux.

midgensa
08-19-2011, 01:28 PM
But would you rather have an undersized LT over an oversized LT? I'm not saying he would be great. I'd just like to see us try it. Load may get worked by speedy pass rushers, but Charlie is going to get worked by big bull-rushing pass rushers like Jared Allen. From what I've been reading, Allen has been absolutely embarrassing him.

Charlie is not undersized. He is just about right for LTs. And I would never want an LT larger than 340 pounds because he is going to get beat all day long.
Jared Allen would completely embarrass Load as well.

Marrdro
08-19-2011, 01:55 PM
Vikings O-line needs playing time in new scheme, which brings injury risk

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/football/vikings-o-line-needs-playing-time-in-new-scheme-which-brings-injury-risk-128042633.html
Thanks for the read my friend. Winnipeg ehhhh. Had to dig for that one you old newshound.......:laugh:

Marrdro
08-19-2011, 01:59 PM
It won't be comforting to me, when our QB gets injured behind a confused, un-geled & unprepared OL & coach Frazier tells us not to worry because while they're not playing good together as a unit, at least the OL is still healthy.
You crack me up. Well said adequately articulated though.

Sometimes I wonder if the whole "Risk to injury" thing is even worth worrying about. Its football for goodness sakes. Someone is gonna get hurt. If it happens to one of your starting OL, then run the backups out.

Course that mentality is probably why I'm nothing more than a yutz with a keyboard. ;)