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lumberjackgreg
07-26-2011, 10:26 PM
JasonLaCanfora: Vikes and Skins have parameters of a deal for McNabb but agreeing on financial terms with him could be tricky.

The deal gets done. So, like the move, hate the move?

Time to mentor Ponder. SKOL!

Purple Floyd
07-26-2011, 11:06 PM
Is hate too strong of a word?


Has any team been sad to see him go?


Doesn't that tell you something?


I hope they sign TO as a WR

kevoncox
07-26-2011, 11:09 PM
Is hate too strong of a word?


Has any team been sad to see him go?


Doesn't that tell you something?


I hope they sign TO as a WR

I mean... the eagles were pretty sad to see him go and they had a hell of a year from Vick....I think the Skins are the skins. Who would want to play for them?

LIVike
07-26-2011, 11:12 PM
I hope this deal does not get done. I personally can not stand McNabb. If he plays like he did a few years ago maybe it will be tolerable. With that said part of me knew this would happen.

Hinkle
07-26-2011, 11:59 PM
Arg..

NodakPaul
07-27-2011, 12:11 AM
Neither hate or love it. It was probably the best option out there, so I guess we'll live with it. Assuming of course that they can restructure McNabb's contract.

KevinK
07-27-2011, 12:16 AM
I dont care if it is Hassleback, Orton or McNabb. But just pick someone and move on!

marstc09
07-27-2011, 12:36 AM
Awesome!

vikinggreg
07-27-2011, 02:06 AM
Hope we don't have to bench him like his last 2 coaches :whistle:

vikinggreg
07-27-2011, 02:09 AM
Premature McNabbulation (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/report-of-vikings-trade-for-mcnabb-is-premature/)


A source with knowledge of the discussions tells us that, while a trade may indeed happen, the report of a deal being in place between the Vikings and Redskins is premature. Per the source, no agreement has been reached on the compensation the Redskins would receive.

singersp
07-27-2011, 02:17 AM
Premature McNabbulation (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/report-of-vikings-trade-for-mcnabb-is-premature/)


A source with knowledge of the discussions tells us that, while a trade may indeed happen, the report of a deal being in place between the Vikings and Redskins is premature. Per the source, no agreement has been reached on the compensation the Redskins would receive.



Exactly! It's premature to call him a Viking until it's a done deal. We've been down this road before only to watch the player many said we had end up on another team.

If McNabb does end up here, we'll still be left Pondering who our franchise QB will be for the next 2-3 years.

jargomcfargo
07-27-2011, 03:09 AM
Is hate too strong of a word?


Has any team been sad to see him go?


Doesn't that tell you something?


I hope they sign TO as a WR

Will you be calling him McNoodle and start developing psychotic theories as the season progresses?

How do the Bengals look to you this season?

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 03:22 AM
Is hate too strong of a word?


Has any team been sad to see him go?


Doesn't that tell you something?


I hope they sign TO as a WR

Will you be calling him McNoodle and start developing psychotic theories as the season progresses?

How do the Bengals look to you this season?

In all honesty I believe my hate for him is probably greater than what Marr had for Farve.

In all honesty I would have been happier with them declaring Jackson the starting QB.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 03:23 AM
Is hate too strong of a word?


Has any team been sad to see him go?


Doesn't that tell you something?


I hope they sign TO as a WR

I mean... the eagles were pretty sad to see him go and they had a hell of a year from Vick....I think the Skins are the skins. Who would want to play for them?

The Eagles traded him to a division rival. Trust me, they knew the were not giving away a player that they were going to miss.

jargomcfargo
07-27-2011, 03:27 AM
Is hate too strong of a word?


Has any team been sad to see him go?


Doesn't that tell you something?


I hope they sign TO as a WR

Will you be calling him McNoodle and start developing psychotic theories as the season progresses?

How do the Bengals look to you this season?

In all honesty I believe my hate for him is probably greater than what Marr had for Farve.

In all honesty I would have been happier with them declaring Jackson the starting QB.

If you hate McNabb that much I'm sure glad we aren't trading for Vick!

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 03:28 AM
Is hate too strong of a word?


Has any team been sad to see him go?


Doesn't that tell you something?


I hope they sign TO as a WR

Will you be calling him McNoodle and start developing psychotic theories as the season progresses?

How do the Bengals look to you this season?

In all honesty I believe my hate for him is probably greater than what Marr had for Farve.

In all honesty I would have been happier with them declaring Jackson the starting QB.

If you hate McNabb that much I'm sure glad we aren't trading for Vick!

I would rather have Vick.

jargomcfargo
07-27-2011, 03:46 AM
Is hate too strong of a word?


Has any team been sad to see him go?


Doesn't that tell you something?


I hope they sign TO as a WR

Will you be calling him McNoodle and start developing psychotic theories as the season progresses?

How do the Bengals look to you this season?

In all honesty I believe my hate for him is probably greater than what Marr had for Farve.

In all honesty I would have been happier with them declaring Jackson the starting QB.

If you hate McNabb that much I'm sure glad we aren't trading for Vick!

I would rather have Vick.

Vick hung, drowned, and electrocuted dogs. But you don't like McNabb because of the way he acts in press conferences?


I can't explain it really. It has nothing to do with the teams he played for, anything he did against the Vikings, his skin color or anything like that. It is just the way he acts during press conferences

Interesting!

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 03:50 AM
Is hate too strong of a word?


Has any team been sad to see him go?


Doesn't that tell you something?


I hope they sign TO as a WR

Will you be calling him McNoodle and start developing psychotic theories as the season progresses?

How do the Bengals look to you this season?

In all honesty I believe my hate for him is probably greater than what Marr had for Farve.

In all honesty I would have been happier with them declaring Jackson the starting QB.

If you hate McNabb that much I'm sure glad we aren't trading for Vick!

I would rather have Vick.

Vick hung, drowned, and electrocuted dogs. But you don't like McNabb because of the way he acts in press conferences?


I can't explain it really. It has nothing to do with the teams he played for, anything he did against the Vikings, his skin color or anything like that. It is just the way he acts during press conferences

Interesting!

Hey, we all have hang ups that we don't need to explain and this one is mine. I think it just might be the fact that we seem to sign every washed up QB with a pulse and at some point I had a conversation with my wife telling her that he would end up with the Vikings after he was used up and maybe this is just the pain of accepting I was right.

At any rate I don't want a Psychologist. It is what it is and life will go on.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 03:51 AM
Is hate too strong of a word?


Has any team been sad to see him go?


Doesn't that tell you something?


I hope they sign TO as a WR

Will you be calling him McNoodle and start developing psychotic theories as the season progresses?

How do the Bengals look to you this season?

In all honesty I believe my hate for him is probably greater than what Marr had for Farve.

In all honesty I would have been happier with them declaring Jackson the starting QB.

If you hate McNabb that much I'm sure glad we aren't trading for Vick!

I would rather have Vick.

Vick hung, drowned, and electrocuted dogs. But you don't like McNabb because of the way he acts in press conferences?


I can't explain it really. It has nothing to do with the teams he played for, anything he did against the Vikings, his skin color or anything like that. It is just the way he acts during press conferences

Interesting!

Vich said he is sorry and learned from his mistakes.:whistle:

jargomcfargo
07-27-2011, 04:01 AM
Is hate too strong of a word?


Has any team been sad to see him go?


Doesn't that tell you something?


I hope they sign TO as a WR

Will you be calling him McNoodle and start developing psychotic theories as the season progresses?

How do the Bengals look to you this season?

In all honesty I believe my hate for him is probably greater than what Marr had for Farve.

In all honesty I would have been happier with them declaring Jackson the starting QB.

If you hate McNabb that much I'm sure glad we aren't trading for Vick!

I would rather have Vick.

Vick hung, drowned, and electrocuted dogs. But you don't like McNabb because of the way he acts in press conferences?


I can't explain it really. It has nothing to do with the teams he played for, anything he did against the Vikings, his skin color or anything like that. It is just the way he acts during press conferences

Interesting!

Vich said he is sorry and learned from his mistakes.:whistle:

I'm not so sure those dogs would be overjoyed with this apology.

But I'm in full agreement with you on the previous post.


I think it just might be the fact that we seem to sign every washed up QB with a pulse and at some point I had a conversation with my wife telling her that he would end up with the Vikings after he was used up and maybe this is just the pain of accepting I was right.

Freakout
07-27-2011, 04:26 AM
While I am not a huge McNabb fan I would still like to see him end up here. It would allow Ponder time to develop as well as keep the team competitive which in my opinion is pretty important with the stadium issue ongoing.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 04:33 AM
I would rather have Childress back as the HC

TARKenton
07-27-2011, 05:50 AM
I would rather have Childress back as the HC

Wow.

Good thing you dont run the team.

marstc09
07-27-2011, 05:58 AM
Premature McNabbulation (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/report-of-vikings-trade-for-mcnabb-is-premature/)


A source with knowledge of the discussions tells us that, while a trade may indeed happen, the report of a deal being in place between the Vikings and Redskins is premature. Per the source, no agreement has been reached on the compensation the Redskins would receive.



Exactly! It's premature to call him a Viking until it's a done deal. We've been down this road before only to watch the player many said we had end up on another team.

If McNabb does end up here, we'll still be left Pondering who our franchise QB will be for the next 2-3 years.

Dude I am sorry but the deal is done. McNabb has wanted to come here for a while now. Donovan will be here. Mark it down.

marstc09
07-27-2011, 05:59 AM
I can't wait to watch Marrdro squirm on this one. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

gregair13
07-27-2011, 06:29 AM
Mcnabb is a great move for us. No risk very high reward. Ponder is not ready to start week 1 and with the shorten offseason, he will be even more raw come week 1. Ponder can now sit on the bench for a little bit while Mcnabb owns this league again.

GREAT JOB VIKINGS.

marstc09
07-27-2011, 06:38 AM
I would rather have Childress back as the HC

Wow. Worst post of the year.

Brewtal
07-27-2011, 07:17 AM
I would rather have 10 McNabbs on the team than Chilly back.

MulletMullitia
07-27-2011, 07:22 AM
I would rather have Childress back as the HC

Wow. Worst post of the year.

I vote for worst post of all time. Jesus dude, you are on a roll today. You already said that you don't even have a reason to dislike the guy. We almost got Tyler Thigpen. You'd rather have the worst coach in NFL history back than a 6 time all-star QB on a team with no QB? Makes sense.:whistle: Childress back and T-Jack the starting QB over Donovan McNabb? Stop. Please stop. My eyes hurt.

TrojanVike28
07-27-2011, 08:30 AM
What is with all of this hatred toward McNabb? I don't get it. Some of you Vikings fans should be ashamed of yourselves. Everyone said the same thing about Favre before the 09' season, he's washed-up, he's old, and he doesn't have anything left in him. Then what happened? Yeah, so you better watch what you say... You never know what could happen. Let McNabb play this season and then make an opinion. People are just too quick to judge...

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 10:08 AM
Is hate too strong of a word?


Has any team been sad to see him go?


Doesn't that tell you something?


I hope they sign TO as a WR

Will you be calling him McNoodle and start developing psychotic theories as the season progresses?

How do the Bengals look to you this season?
I'm still watching from afar my friend....

Couple of thoughts (psychotic theries).....

a. Atleast we went out and got someone who might be able to win for a few years if needed unlike a certain old ass that couldn't do shit unless the WR's carried him (ala 09 vs 10).

b. The deal seems to be cheap. A sixth in 12 and a sixth in 13 (still fuzzy on that). So they aren't giving to much for him so that it still makes sense to sit him if Ponder shows progress earlier than most expect.

c. Deal is contingent on him restructuring, taking alot less than he wants so that it will be easy to elevate Ponder ahead of him. (Instead of paying him 16 Mil and 20 Mil for squat).

d. He is familiar with the offense. Hey isn't that the same tune for the offense he wanted to come run for the Chiller? Maybe some yutz is correct and there isn't going to be a big change in the scheme that most on here crave. LOL:P

e. He can't be lumped into the EX Iggle syndrome that the Chiller seemed to go after all the time cause the Chiller is gone and he was actually a Deadskin for a year right? (I hope I see someone saying that in the rest of the thread.

In short, I can live with this move. Lets see how it pans out. In the end, if it doesn't, then maybe he will be able to "Mentor" Ponder from the bench. :laugh:

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 10:09 AM
Is hate too strong of a word?


Has any team been sad to see him go?


Doesn't that tell you something?


I hope they sign TO as a WR

Will you be calling him McNoodle and start developing psychotic theories as the season progresses?

How do the Bengals look to you this season?

In all honesty I believe my hate for him is probably greater than what Marr had for Farve.

In all honesty I would have been happier with them declaring Jackson the starting QB.
I never hated the Noodle. Its a game for cripes sake.

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 10:16 AM
I can't wait to watch Marrdro squirm on this one. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Why? Go back an look. Before we got stuck wasting 2 years on your Noodle experiment, that got us NO SUPERBOWLS, by the by, I wanted Dnabb.

After watching him muck about at the skins last year I didn't.

The staff obviously looked to Orton first (better option) but the asking price is/was to high so they went with the next best option.

By the way, if Orton was to high Kolb was to high as well. He, IMHO was the best one available (yes I now Singer he isn't available he is under contract with the Iggles but so is Orton (and the Vikes went there first) and Dnabb).

Wouldn't have minded seeing Bulger as I think he better suits the scheme that Atlanta runs, which again, brings me back to my analysis that the scheme isn't really changing into what Atlanta runs but rather what the Vikes ran pre-noodle. Again, I use the stats I provided from when Musgrove failed as a O-coord before. He and the Chiller ran/run the same offense.

IMHO, thats not a bad thing as long as they are only doing it cause the predominance of the team is geared to run it and evolve from it as quick as possible.

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 10:20 AM
Neither hate or love it. It was probably the best option out there, so I guess we'll live with it. Assuming of course that they can restructure McNabb's contract.
Exactly.

Lets see if Dnabb sucked last year cause of the team around him and the bad fit with respect to the scheme.

One thing of note my friend, I hope they can outbid the Seachickens for Rice or atleast get Plex. Without a cat like one of those the offense won't click.

Did you see the psychotic theries (Sorry Doc, couldn't resist) out there that all the players recieved a playbook but Berrien? Lets hope that theory is correct and they are using that money to get Rice (or Plex) back.

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 10:23 AM
While I am not a huge McNabb fan I would still like to see him end up here. It would allow Ponder time to develop as well as keep the team competitive which in my opinion is pretty important with the stadium issue ongoing.
Agree.

As I said earlier in the offseason. I'm not against landing Dnabb as long as it doesn't impact resigning key FA's and extended guys that need to be extended ala AD.

Two 6ths don't sound all that expensive to me. Lets see what the contract renogotiantions come to.

I am sure Dnabb wants alot more than we want to pay and I'm sure the staff want to only pay him enough to get by for a year or two and even then, if he sucks it up, it won't cost much to bench his ass.

Again, lets see how it all unfolds. Might be the Dnabb of old and we get him on the cheap. B)

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 10:28 AM
I would rather have Childress back as the HC
LOL.

Atleast not much has changed. IMHO thats a good thing and probably why they hired Leslie. The other good thing is that it doesn't seem as though Musgrove is going to deviate from teh offensive scheme that much.

You see the OT they are targeting. Another big 6'6" 330ish kindof guy.

On a side note, I do like that they are looking at Weddle.

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 10:30 AM
Mcnabb is a great move for us. No risk very high reward. Ponder is not ready to start week 1 and with the shorten offseason, he will be even more raw come week 1. Ponder can now sit on the bench for a little bit while Mcnabb owns this league again.

GREAT JOB VIKINGS.
One thing to Ponder though.....

Shortened time means that the limited reps the 2nd and 3rd stringers would get are down to almost nothing. Again, another good reason to bring in a QB that is familiar with the scheme we run.

Right now the only ones that will have to learn it are the starter and his backup.

As you said, some smart stuff from our FO.

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 10:34 AM
What is with all of this hatred toward McNabb? I don't get it. Some of you Vikings fans should be ashamed of yourselves. Everyone said the same thing about Favre before the 09' season, he's washed-up, he's old, and he doesn't have anything left in him. Then what happened? Yeah, so you better watch what you say... You never know what could happen. Let McNabb play this season and then make an opinion. People are just too quick to judge...
Although I like your main point, the Noodle was washed up. The only reason he had success in 09 was cause the WR's carried his old ass. If that isn't the case, please explain to me why he couldn't carry the WR's he had in 10?

But again, back to your main point. As I said, let it ride out. Maybe, just maybe we can catch it again and he works out. If it doesn't, he isn't costing us much (atleast until we see the contract).

kevoncox
07-27-2011, 12:42 PM
What is with all of this hatred toward McNabb? I don't get it. Some of you Vikings fans should be ashamed of yourselves. Everyone said the same thing about Favre before the 09' season, he's washed-up, he's old, and he doesn't have anything left in him. Then what happened? Yeah, so you better watch what you say... You never know what could happen. Let McNabb play this season and then make an opinion. People are just too quick to judge...
Although I like your main point, the Noodle was washed up. The only reason he had success in 09 was cause the WR's carried his old ass. If that isn't the case, please explain to me why he couldn't carry the WR's he had in 10?

But again, back to your main point. As I said, let it ride out. Maybe, just maybe we can catch it again and he works out. If it doesn't, he isn't costing us much (atleast until we see the contract).

To be fair Marr, I believe that farve was washed up in 10. However, in 09, I give him a great amount of credit. It wasn't the WRs. BB was missing for most of the season Rice had a great season but, it as mostly the open passing lanes that he got thanks to AD that made him so effective, not the Wrs. In 10, Harvin was moved from the slot and nullified on the outside. BB still was invisible and Rice was gone. Teams then started to constrict around the LOS and we had no one to take the pressure off. We trade for Moss and instantly our Offense comes back. We almost beat the Pats...had it not been for M. Williams unusual tackle techniques of letting the guy score then tackling him. My point is Farve has a good 2009, stop trying to take that away from him. He wasn't carried by the WRs because our WR corp is not "that" good.

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 12:51 PM
What is with all of this hatred toward McNabb? I don't get it. Some of you Vikings fans should be ashamed of yourselves. Everyone said the same thing about Favre before the 09' season, he's washed-up, he's old, and he doesn't have anything left in him. Then what happened? Yeah, so you better watch what you say... You never know what could happen. Let McNabb play this season and then make an opinion. People are just too quick to judge...
Although I like your main point, the Noodle was washed up. The only reason he had success in 09 was cause the WR's carried his old ass. If that isn't the case, please explain to me why he couldn't carry the WR's he had in 10?

But again, back to your main point. As I said, let it ride out. Maybe, just maybe we can catch it again and he works out. If it doesn't, he isn't costing us much (atleast until we see the contract).

To be fair Marr, I believe that farve was washed up in 10. However, in 09, I give him a great amount of credit. It wasn't the WRs. BB was missing for most of the season Rice had a great season but, it as mostly the open passing lanes that he got thanks to AD that made him so effective, not the Wrs. In 10, Harvin was moved from the slot and nullified on the outside. BB still was invisible and Rice was gone. Teams then started to constrict around the LOS and we had no one to take the pressure off. We trade for Moss and instantly our Offense comes back. We almost beat the Pats...had it not been for M. Williams unusual tackle techniques of letting the guy score then tackling him. My point is Farve has a good 2009, stop trying to take that away from him. He wasn't carried by the WRs because our WR corp is not "that" good.
I'm not trying to take that away from him.

I'm just saying that he didn't make those recievers like most on here say he did. If he did, then I ask why didn't he just make some new ones in 10?

Again, the 09 season was incredible to watch (I don't watch the QB anyways so not watching him wasn't to hard) but it was incredible from a team perspective, not just because of one certain player.

Which gets us back to McNabb. He might just be good enough to get us by, ala the Noodle in 09. If not, we finally have some hope when it comes to talent sitting on the bench. Both Ponder and Webb intrigue me.

Ponder, if for nothing else, but the scheme he ran and how he ran it at a top school. Webb because he basically came in with the same team that the Noodle failed with and won against the Iggles.

For a Vikes fan, I just don't see why anyone is beeeyyyatching about our QB position this year, even with Dnabb. It will be the best we have seen in alot of years IMHO and it will have a damn fine team around it, which by the way, is key to all of this. ;)

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 12:59 PM
Anyone who thinks Brett was washed up and that we are going to get a better performance from McNabb than we got from Brett is delusional. McNabb might be younger but he has taken a beating. He only has 2 complete seasons since 2003 and has been racked by injuries much like the #7 we just sent to Seattle.

I hope none of you who are rooting for joy expect him to be 16 game starter for the team

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 01:01 PM
Anyone who thinks Brett was washed up and that we are going to get a better performance from McNabb than we got from Brett is delusional. McNabb might be younger but he has taken a beating. He only has 2 complete seasons since 2003 and has been racked by injuries much like the #7 we just sent to Seattle.

I hope none of you who are rooting for joy expect him to be 16 game starter for the team

2010 Replaced by a WR who lead the team to a victory against the Iggles.

LOL.......I'll be here all day long.....:evil:

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 01:02 PM
I would rather have Childress back as the HC
LOL.

Atleast not much has changed. IMHO thats a good thing and probably why they hired Leslie. The other good thing is that it doesn't seem as though Musgrove is going to deviate from teh offensive scheme that much.

You see the OT they are targeting. Another big 6'6" 330ish kindof guy.

On a side note, I do like that they are looking at Weddle.

If we end up running the same offense as the last staff did and they bring in McNugget to run it for the next few years they might just as well pack their bags and move to LA right now because it isn't going to be pretty. But I suppose you are content with 5-7 win seasons.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 01:09 PM
Anyone who thinks Brett was washed up and that we are going to get a better performance from McNabb than we got from Brett is delusional. McNabb might be younger but he has taken a beating. He only has 2 complete seasons since 2003 and has been racked by injuries much like the #7 we just sent to Seattle.

I hope none of you who are rooting for joy expect him to be 16 game starter for the team

2010 Replaced by a WR who lead the team to a victory against the Iggles.

LOL.......I'll be here all day long.....:evil:

Not replaced- damaged beyond repair as was every other QB that took a snap last season if I remember.

McNugget- Benched in favor of Grossman and cut in favor of: http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/10484/john-beck

Wow. SB here we come......

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 01:13 PM
I would rather have Childress back as the HC
LOL.

Atleast not much has changed. IMHO thats a good thing and probably why they hired Leslie. The other good thing is that it doesn't seem as though Musgrove is going to deviate from teh offensive scheme that much.

You see the OT they are targeting. Another big 6'6" 330ish kindof guy.

On a side note, I do like that they are looking at Weddle.

If we end up running the same offense as the last staff did and they bring in McNugget to run it for the next few years they might just as well pack their bags and move to LA right now because it isn't going to be pretty. But I suppose you are content with 5-7 win seasons.
Please don't say that because I assume the staff is going to do something means I am in agreement/content with it.

That is something i_bleed_purple and Caine do.

All I do, as I did in my staff assesment thread, is to look at what they have done in the past (the coaches). In this case, Musgrove has (historically) ran the same offense the Chiller did (Pre-Noodle). Lots of multiple TE sets, Short dumpoffs, Run it alot in the A and B gaps. Very few shots down field.

Again, not me, Musgrove. Doesn't mean I like it or don't. I will, however say, that it makes sense not to make alot of changes given the time the staff has to get things going. Limit the learning curve to just the QB's instead of the whole team and pick QB's that will make that learning curve as small as possible.

In the end, we won't see 3 Deep like alot want to see, but we will see soem cohesiveness that can start out slow and still be effetive and then add to it as the talent evolves.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 01:20 PM
Please don't say that because I assume the staff is going to do something means I am in agreement/content with it.

So are you?


That is something i_bleed_purple and Caine do.

Ahhh.


All I do, as I did in my staff assesment thread, is to look at what they have done in the past (the coaches). In this case, Musgrove has (historically) ran the same offense the Chiller did (Pre-Noodle). Lots of multiple TE sets, Short dumpoffs, Run it alot in the A and B gaps. Very few shots down field.

Funny, because when I watched Atlanta play I honestly never thought of it being anything similar to what Childress put on the field.


Again, not me, Musgrove. Doesn't mean I like it or don't. I will, however say, that it makes sense not to make alot of changes given the time the staff has to get things going. Limit the learning curve to just the QB's instead of the whole team and pick QB's that will make that learning curve as small as possible.


If something sucks as bad as our offense has it only makes sense to change it and change it fast considering the staff has a 3 year window to fix it.



In the end, we won't see 3 Deep like alot want to see, but we will see soem cohesiveness that can start out slow and still be effetive and then add to it as the talent evolves.

We don't need 3 deep. OTOH I sure don't remember Philly running lots of 3 TE sets either so I am not sure how you think McNugget is going to step in without a learning curve.

Secondly the biggest adjustment is terminology and if I am not mistaken that is totally different from what we ran last year is it not?

NodakPaul
07-27-2011, 01:26 PM
I would rather have Childress back as the HC

Wow. Worst post of the year.

I just threw up a little.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 01:38 PM
I would rather have Childress back as the HC

Wow. Worst post of the year.

I vote for worst post of all time. Jesus dude, you are on a roll today. You already said that you don't even have a reason to dislike the guy. We almost got Tyler Thigpen. You'd rather have the worst coach in NFL history back than a 6 time all-star QB on a team with no QB? Makes sense.:whistle: Childress back and T-Jack the starting QB over Donovan McNabb? Stop. Please stop. My eyes hurt.

I hope you back all loud and proud when he stinks up the field. I can say one thing. If I am wrong and he gets us to the SB in the next 2 years I will be here to eat my crow.

Promise to be here and refresh your love for him when he is benched in week 10?

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 01:46 PM
I hope you back all loud and proud when he stinks up the field. I can say one thing. If I am wrong and he gets us to the SB in the next 2 years I will be here to eat my crow.

Promise to be here and refresh your love for him when he is benched in week 10?

I don't think McNabb is here to bring us to a superbowl. He's coming to play ball for at least the first half of the season. . Ponder is obviously not ready, he needs to sit behind a vet. Don't let the draft position dictate what we do with him. Let him learn the old fashioned way, and start when he's ready.

Having said that, I like this move. McNabb is obviously not in his prime, but he's still a decent option. He CAN be a real threat in the passing game. Yes, he had a rough season last year, but remember, that team was terrible. No run game, no receivers aside from Moss really. injuries everywhere. If we can stay healthy, and especially if we can get Rice back, this isn't a bad situation for him.

With Favre, we were in a 'win now' situation. He was brought in to try and push us to the superbowl, which he almost did. I don't think that's the case with McNabb.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 01:52 PM
I hope you back all loud and proud when he stinks up the field. I can say one thing. If I am wrong and he gets us to the SB in the next 2 years I will be here to eat my crow.

Promise to be here and refresh your love for him when he is benched in week 10?

I don't think McNabb is here to bring us to a superbowl. He's coming to play ball for at least the first half of the season. . Ponder is obviously not ready, he needs to sit behind a vet. Don't let the draft position dictate what we do with him. Let him learn the old fashioned way, and start when he's ready.

Having said that, I like this move. McNabb is obviously not in his prime, but he's still a decent option. He CAN be a real threat in the passing game. Yes, he had a rough season last year, but remember, that team was terrible. No run game, no receivers aside from Moss really. injuries everywhere. If we can stay healthy, and especially if we can get Rice back, this isn't a bad situation for him.

With Favre, we were in a 'win now' situation. He was brought in to try and push us to the superbowl, which he almost did. I don't think that's the case with McNabb.

Then why bring him in? Any team that isn't building towards a championship with every move is a failure. Stick with young guys and let them develop so they are ready to win in a few years then.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 01:54 PM
I hope you back all loud and proud when he stinks up the field. I can say one thing. If I am wrong and he gets us to the SB in the next 2 years I will be here to eat my crow.

Promise to be here and refresh your love for him when he is benched in week 10?

I don't think McNabb is here to bring us to a superbowl. He's coming to play ball for at least the first half of the season. . Ponder is obviously not ready, he needs to sit behind a vet. Don't let the draft position dictate what we do with him. Let him learn the old fashioned way, and start when he's ready.

Having said that, I like this move. McNabb is obviously not in his prime, but he's still a decent option. He CAN be a real threat in the passing game. Yes, he had a rough season last year, but remember, that team was terrible. No run game, no receivers aside from Moss really. injuries everywhere. If we can stay healthy, and especially if we can get Rice back, this isn't a bad situation for him.

With Favre, we were in a 'win now' situation. He was brought in to try and push us to the superbowl, which he almost did. I don't think that's the case with McNabb.

Then why bring him in? Any team that isn't building towards a championship with every move is a failure. Stick with young guys and let them develop so they are ready to win in a few years then.

Exactly, let them develop. Ponder is not ready to play, plain and simple. Stick a vet out there, he'll play better than Ponder will right away, and he'll help by allowing Ponder to develop from the bench.

They are building towards a championship, it's just not this season. They need Ponder to be our long-term solution. Sending him out to get killed like TJ did is not the way to do it.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 01:57 PM
But the most important question here: What number will McNabb wear? I say #4!

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 01:59 PM
No, let them develop on the field. Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Big Ben, Manning, Brees,Eli all started right away. Sitting in the bench is no benefit to a young QB. Just let the guy you drafted play it out and be done with it. Fix that OL so he can stay healthy and start the transition.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 02:00 PM
So what is his first injury going to be? Knee, shoulder,hammy?

I am going with ego.

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 02:12 PM
Please don't say that because I assume the staff is going to do something means I am in agreement/content with it.

So are you?


That is something i_bleed_purple and Caine do.

Ahhh.


All I do, as I did in my staff assesment thread, is to look at what they have done in the past (the coaches). In this case, Musgrove has (historically) ran the same offense the Chiller did (Pre-Noodle). Lots of multiple TE sets, Short dumpoffs, Run it alot in the A and B gaps. Very few shots down field.

Funny, because when I watched Atlanta play I honestly never thought of it being anything similar to what Childress put on the field.


Again, not me, Musgrove. Doesn't mean I like it or don't. I will, however say, that it makes sense not to make alot of changes given the time the staff has to get things going. Limit the learning curve to just the QB's instead of the whole team and pick QB's that will make that learning curve as small as possible.


If something sucks as bad as our offense has it only makes sense to change it and change it fast considering the staff has a 3 year window to fix it.



In the end, we won't see 3 Deep like alot want to see, but we will see soem cohesiveness that can start out slow and still be effetive and then add to it as the talent evolves.

We don't need 3 deep. OTOH I sure don't remember Philly running lots of 3 TE sets either so I am not sure how you think McNugget is going to step in without a learning curve.

Secondly the biggest adjustment is terminology and if I am not mistaken that is totally different from what we ran last year is it not?
Who was the O-coord in atlanta?

If you are looking at that scheme to determine what Musgrove is going to run you are missing the boat. You need to go back in history and look at what he has done when he was the O-coord and not the QB coach.

Mix that in with the multiple articles when he talks about Coach Mularkey and I think you would have the same guess as to what scheme they might run.

Throw in the importance we put on a QB that didn't have a big arm (Draft), TE that can block and catch (Draft) and the QB's they have targeted in FA (Orton Not known for a big arm) or Dnabb (Best when he is hitting the underneath/shorter stuff rolling out).

Air Coryell (Atlanta Variant)? Not a chance.

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 02:14 PM
I hope you back all loud and proud when he stinks up the field. I can say one thing. If I am wrong and he gets us to the SB in the next 2 years I will be here to eat my crow.

Promise to be here and refresh your love for him when he is benched in week 10?

I don't think McNabb is here to bring us to a superbowl. He's coming to play ball for at least the first half of the season. . Ponder is obviously not ready, he needs to sit behind a vet. Don't let the draft position dictate what we do with him. Let him learn the old fashioned way, and start when he's ready.

Having said that, I like this move. McNabb is obviously not in his prime, but he's still a decent option. He CAN be a real threat in the passing game. Yes, he had a rough season last year, but remember, that team was terrible. No run game, no receivers aside from Moss really. injuries everywhere. If we can stay healthy, and especially if we can get Rice back, this isn't a bad situation for him.

With Favre, we were in a 'win now' situation. He was brought in to try and push us to the superbowl, which he almost did. I don't think that's the case with McNabb.
Win Now. LOL, are you saying we aren't in a Win Now mode now? Are we just playing the season out for the heck of it?

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 02:17 PM
No, let them develop on the field. Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Big Ben, Manning, Brees,Eli all started right away. Sitting in the bench is no benefit to a young QB. Just let the guy you drafted play it out and be done with it. Fix that OL so he can stay healthy and start the transition.
I think it comes down to the team and the QB.

If we can keep Rice, we definately have the offense to support Ponders learning process on the field. Even without him it isn't that bad.

Mix in that Ponder seems to have the makeup to learn on the field and I think we wouldn't have that many issues with him coming out right away, especialy if you shift the burden of site adjustments/audibles to one of the OLmen (assist at least).

If you have a shitty team that isn't going to help the kid, then no, let him sit the bench and watch the Vet.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 02:32 PM
No, let them develop on the field. Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Big Ben, Manning, Brees,Eli all started right away. Sitting in the bench is no benefit to a young QB. Just let the guy you drafted play it out and be done with it. Fix that OL so he can stay healthy and start the transition.
I think it comes down to the team and the QB.

If we can keep Rice, we definately have the offense to support Ponders learning process on the field. Even without him it isn't that bad.

Mix in that Ponder seems to have the makeup to learn on the field and I think we wouldn't have that many issues with him coming out right away, especialy if you shift the burden of site adjustments/audibles to one of the OLmen (assist at least).

If you have a shitty team that isn't going to help the kid, then no, let him sit the bench and watch the Vet.

Lots of QB's started out with crappy teams and played through it. If we aren't contending anyway then why the hell bring in a vet QB for the year? Just let the young guy get the reps and build his chemistry with the team and let him develop. All benching him is going to do is push back his learning curve a year or 2 and those years might be ones we need him to be ready.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 02:54 PM
I hope you back all loud and proud when he stinks up the field. I can say one thing. If I am wrong and he gets us to the SB in the next 2 years I will be here to eat my crow.

Promise to be here and refresh your love for him when he is benched in week 10?

I don't think McNabb is here to bring us to a superbowl. He's coming to play ball for at least the first half of the season. . Ponder is obviously not ready, he needs to sit behind a vet. Don't let the draft position dictate what we do with him. Let him learn the old fashioned way, and start when he's ready.

Having said that, I like this move. McNabb is obviously not in his prime, but he's still a decent option. He CAN be a real threat in the passing game. Yes, he had a rough season last year, but remember, that team was terrible. No run game, no receivers aside from Moss really. injuries everywhere. If we can stay healthy, and especially if we can get Rice back, this isn't a bad situation for him.

With Favre, we were in a 'win now' situation. He was brought in to try and push us to the superbowl, which he almost did. I don't think that's the case with McNabb.
Win Now. LOL, are you saying we aren't in a Win Now mode now? Are we just playing the season out for the heck of it?

You know what I'm saying. We don't have a legitimate shot at a superbowl like we did in 09. McNabb gives us the best chance to win, and if we happen to make it, we'll obviously give it our all, but I don't think many people, including the players expect to make the superbowl like they did when Favre came in.

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 03:07 PM
No, let them develop on the field. Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Big Ben, Manning, Brees,Eli all started right away. Sitting in the bench is no benefit to a young QB. Just let the guy you drafted play it out and be done with it. Fix that OL so he can stay healthy and start the transition.
I think it comes down to the team and the QB.

If we can keep Rice, we definately have the offense to support Ponders learning process on the field. Even without him it isn't that bad.

Mix in that Ponder seems to have the makeup to learn on the field and I think we wouldn't have that many issues with him coming out right away, especialy if you shift the burden of site adjustments/audibles to one of the OLmen (assist at least).

If you have a shitty team that isn't going to help the kid, then no, let him sit the bench and watch the Vet.

Lots of QB's started out with crappy teams and played through it. If we aren't contending anyway then why the hell bring in a vet QB for the year? Just let the young guy get the reps and build his chemistry with the team and let him develop. All benching him is going to do is push back his learning curve a year or 2 and those years might be ones we need him to be ready.
I can go either way on this, but my biggest concern about bringing in any vet was what impact would it have on resigning key vets as well as extending key vets.

I, for one, wish we would have used 20Mil last year to resign guys like Rice or Chad instead of just tendering them/ignoring them.

Instead we paid 20 mil for alot of heartache and let down.

I am watching with interest what the ##'rs look like for the deal.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 03:11 PM
No, let them develop on the field. Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Big Ben, Manning, Brees,Eli all started right away. Sitting in the bench is no benefit to a young QB. Just let the guy you drafted play it out and be done with it. Fix that OL so he can stay healthy and start the transition.
I think it comes down to the team and the QB.

If we can keep Rice, we definately have the offense to support Ponders learning process on the field. Even without him it isn't that bad.

Mix in that Ponder seems to have the makeup to learn on the field and I think we wouldn't have that many issues with him coming out right away, especialy if you shift the burden of site adjustments/audibles to one of the OLmen (assist at least).

If you have a shitty team that isn't going to help the kid, then no, let him sit the bench and watch the Vet.

Lots of QB's started out with crappy teams and played through it. If we aren't contending anyway then why the hell bring in a vet QB for the year? Just let the young guy get the reps and build his chemistry with the team and let him develop. All benching him is going to do is push back his learning curve a year or 2 and those years might be ones we need him to be ready.
I can go either way on this, but my biggest concern about bringing in any vet was what impact would it have on resigning key vets as well as extending key vets.

I, for one, wish we would have used 20Mil last year to resign guys like Rice or Chad instead of just tendering them/ignoring them.

Instead we paid 20 mil for alot of heartache and let down.

I am watching with interest what the ##'rs look like for the deal.

2 year, $15 mil is my bet. Backloaded so we have room this year to re-sign Greenway, Rooks and FA's.

Rob's a smart guy, he's kept us in great cap shape, I'm sure we'll get under the cap and get signing soon. Word is most GM's are taking their time so far, as they're trying to get their financials figured out before seriously making signings. You might notice only one big-name player has been signed thus far.

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 03:12 PM
I hope you back all loud and proud when he stinks up the field. I can say one thing. If I am wrong and he gets us to the SB in the next 2 years I will be here to eat my crow.

Promise to be here and refresh your love for him when he is benched in week 10?

I don't think McNabb is here to bring us to a superbowl. He's coming to play ball for at least the first half of the season. . Ponder is obviously not ready, he needs to sit behind a vet. Don't let the draft position dictate what we do with him. Let him learn the old fashioned way, and start when he's ready.

Having said that, I like this move. McNabb is obviously not in his prime, but he's still a decent option. He CAN be a real threat in the passing game. Yes, he had a rough season last year, but remember, that team was terrible. No run game, no receivers aside from Moss really. injuries everywhere. If we can stay healthy, and especially if we can get Rice back, this isn't a bad situation for him.

With Favre, we were in a 'win now' situation. He was brought in to try and push us to the superbowl, which he almost did. I don't think that's the case with McNabb.
Win Now. LOL, are you saying we aren't in a Win Now mode now? Are we just playing the season out for the heck of it?

You know what I'm saying. We don't have a legitimate shot at a superbowl like we did in 09. McNabb gives us the best chance to win, and if we happen to make it, we'll obviously give it our all, but I don't think many people, including the players expect to make the superbowl like they did when Favre came in.
Again, why don't we have a legitimate shot? Cause you don't like the QB situation?

Get Rice or atleast someone who can produce in that role, fix the DT position and we aren't that far from what we were in 09. Fact is, we added some nice depth in the draft this year and even a potential playmaker or two.

Sign a Ngata (or someone like him), Hope Erin can fill in for Ben (he should be able to if you like the learn behind a vet for a year or two process), Hope that Griff or Ballard can step into the LDE role (Again Griff had a year to learn).

Not sure about you, but I'm not thinking we are in it just to be a footstool to the Bores and PUKERS this year.

jmcdon00
07-27-2011, 03:20 PM
No, let them develop on the field. Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Big Ben, Manning, Brees,Eli all started right away. Sitting in the bench is no benefit to a young QB. Just let the guy you drafted play it out and be done with it. Fix that OL so he can stay healthy and start the transition.And Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, Romo, all started out on the bench. There is no one correct way to develop a QB.

The biggest thing working against ponder is the lockout cut 3 months off the prep time every other QB has had. Absolutely no way the coaches can be confident Ponder will be ready in less than half the time others have had.

Winning as many football games as possible is the goal. McNabb gives us the best chance to win football games. Fans may be willing to just scrap this season in hopes the next will be better, but I don't think the players and coaches can have that mentality. They must prepare with the goal of winning a championship.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 03:21 PM
I hope you back all loud and proud when he stinks up the field. I can say one thing. If I am wrong and he gets us to the SB in the next 2 years I will be here to eat my crow.

Promise to be here and refresh your love for him when he is benched in week 10?

I don't think McNabb is here to bring us to a superbowl. He's coming to play ball for at least the first half of the season. . Ponder is obviously not ready, he needs to sit behind a vet. Don't let the draft position dictate what we do with him. Let him learn the old fashioned way, and start when he's ready.

Having said that, I like this move. McNabb is obviously not in his prime, but he's still a decent option. He CAN be a real threat in the passing game. Yes, he had a rough season last year, but remember, that team was terrible. No run game, no receivers aside from Moss really. injuries everywhere. If we can stay healthy, and especially if we can get Rice back, this isn't a bad situation for him.

With Favre, we were in a 'win now' situation. He was brought in to try and push us to the superbowl, which he almost did. I don't think that's the case with McNabb.
Win Now. LOL, are you saying we aren't in a Win Now mode now? Are we just playing the season out for the heck of it?

You know what I'm saying. We don't have a legitimate shot at a superbowl like we did in 09. McNabb gives us the best chance to win, and if we happen to make it, we'll obviously give it our all, but I don't think many people, including the players expect to make the superbowl like they did when Favre came in.
Again, why don't we have a legitimate shot? Cause you don't like the QB situation?
In 09 we had the best shot because the NFC was a much weaker conference. We had a very easy schedule. We started out light, allowed Favre to get going, and our healthy playmakers and usually stout defense put us in position to win any game.

I don't see that this year. Questions at OL, Questions at QB, Questions at WR, Questions at DL, Questions at DB. We have exactly three solid groups of players. LB, RB and TE. The rest are all questionmarks. Dnabb's transition to our scheme shouldnt' be too bad, but there will be a learning curve.



Get Rice or atleast someone who can produce in that role, fix the DT position and we aren't that far from what we were in 09. Fact is, we added some nice depth in the draft this year and even a potential playmaker or two.
Sure, but easier said than done. With very little cap space, we need to be careful with who we sign. As for the rookies, sure, they might turn into playmakers, but there will still be a learning curve. Will they jump out of the gates and play at a high level? Doubt it. Maybe Rudolph. The rest seem like guys that need a eyar or two to develop. We might be a very strong contending team in '12, but this season I view as a transition year. We MIGHT make a push, but I"m not going to be surprised if we finish 8-8 or worse.


Sign a Ngata (or someone like him), Hope Erin can fill in for Ben (he should be able to if you like the learn behind a vet for a year or two process), Hope that Griff or Ballard can step into the LDE role (Again Griff had a year to learn).

Not sure about you, but I'm not thinking we are in it just to be a footstool to the Bores and PUKERS this year.

That's a best case scenario.

Unfortunately, the best case scenarios have not been working for us for 50 years. I prefer to take a relistic approach. We have alot of youth at positions where they will play. They will take time to learn the game and get to the level where everyone is comfortable with. Hopefully they can pick it up right away, but realistically they won't.

I'm really hoping Griff plays well this year. He has first round skill, but sixth round attitude. If he can make us forget about Edwards, I'll be thrilled.

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 03:23 PM
No, let them develop on the field. Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Big Ben, Manning, Brees,Eli all started right away. Sitting in the bench is no benefit to a young QB. Just let the guy you drafted play it out and be done with it. Fix that OL so he can stay healthy and start the transition.
I think it comes down to the team and the QB.

If we can keep Rice, we definately have the offense to support Ponders learning process on the field. Even without him it isn't that bad.

Mix in that Ponder seems to have the makeup to learn on the field and I think we wouldn't have that many issues with him coming out right away, especialy if you shift the burden of site adjustments/audibles to one of the OLmen (assist at least).

If you have a shitty team that isn't going to help the kid, then no, let him sit the bench and watch the Vet.

Lots of QB's started out with crappy teams and played through it. If we aren't contending anyway then why the hell bring in a vet QB for the year? Just let the young guy get the reps and build his chemistry with the team and let him develop. All benching him is going to do is push back his learning curve a year or 2 and those years might be ones we need him to be ready.
I can go either way on this, but my biggest concern about bringing in any vet was what impact would it have on resigning key vets as well as extending key vets.

I, for one, wish we would have used 20Mil last year to resign guys like Rice or Chad instead of just tendering them/ignoring them.

Instead we paid 20 mil for alot of heartache and let down.

I am watching with interest what the ##'rs look like for the deal.

2 year, $15 mil is my bet. Backloaded so we have room this year to re-sign Greenway, Rooks and FA's.

Rob's a smart guy, he's kept us in great cap shape, I'm sure we'll get under the cap and get signing soon. Word is most GM's are taking their time so far, as they're trying to get their financials figured out before seriously making signings. You might notice only one big-name player has been signed thus far.
GREAT CAP SHAPE?

Bryzheapski is a joke. Can you imagine how good we would look if he would have spend 20 mil on these guys and kept it around what the rest of the world anticipated the CAP would be?

Continuing to chant his greatness is crazy talk.

Over the CAP and having 10 players that need contracts this year, before you even start to look at the rooks is not being in GREAT SHAPE.

BloodyHorns82
07-27-2011, 03:25 PM
Sources: Vikings Have Trade for McNabb (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6807795/donovan-mcnabb-trade-minnesota-vikings-place-sources-say?campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines)

Hmmmm. Sounds like there is still some work left to do.

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 03:25 PM
[quote="jmcdon00" #1101141And Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, Romo, all started out on the bench. There is no one correct way to develop a QB.

The biggest thing working against ponder is the lockout cut 3 months off the prep time every other QB has had. Absolutely no way the coaches can be confident Ponder will be ready in less than half the time others have had.

Winning as many football games as possible is the goal. McNabb gives us the best chance to win football games. Fans may be willing to just scrap this season in hopes the next will be better, but I don't think the players and coaches can have that mentality. They must prepare with the goal of winning a championship.[/quote]

Another example of the accuracey of the "Those that have a clue" spreadsheet. Just verified that you were on it my friend.

Excellent post. Excellent indeed.

If only we weren't in such bad CAP space and in a bidding war for Rice, we could be adding other players like Ngata or Weddle. Instead we are waiting how bad the number is gonna be to keep Rice.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 03:26 PM
No, let them develop on the field. Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Big Ben, Manning, Brees,Eli all started right away. Sitting in the bench is no benefit to a young QB. Just let the guy you drafted play it out and be done with it. Fix that OL so he can stay healthy and start the transition.
I think it comes down to the team and the QB.

If we can keep Rice, we definately have the offense to support Ponders learning process on the field. Even without him it isn't that bad.

Mix in that Ponder seems to have the makeup to learn on the field and I think we wouldn't have that many issues with him coming out right away, especialy if you shift the burden of site adjustments/audibles to one of the OLmen (assist at least).

If you have a shitty team that isn't going to help the kid, then no, let him sit the bench and watch the Vet.

Lots of QB's started out with crappy teams and played through it. If we aren't contending anyway then why the hell bring in a vet QB for the year? Just let the young guy get the reps and build his chemistry with the team and let him develop. All benching him is going to do is push back his learning curve a year or 2 and those years might be ones we need him to be ready.
I can go either way on this, but my biggest concern about bringing in any vet was what impact would it have on resigning key vets as well as extending key vets.

I, for one, wish we would have used 20Mil last year to resign guys like Rice or Chad instead of just tendering them/ignoring them.

Instead we paid 20 mil for alot of heartache and let down.

I am watching with interest what the ##'rs look like for the deal.

2 year, $15 mil is my bet. Backloaded so we have room this year to re-sign Greenway, Rooks and FA's.

Rob's a smart guy, he's kept us in great cap shape, I'm sure we'll get under the cap and get signing soon. Word is most GM's are taking their time so far, as they're trying to get their financials figured out before seriously making signings. You might notice only one big-name player has been signed thus far.
GREAT CAP SHAPE?

Bryzheapski is a joke. Can you imagine how good we would look if he would have spend 20 mil on these guys and kept it around what the rest of the world anticipated the CAP would be?

Continuing to chant his greatness is crazy talk.

Over the CAP and having 10 players that need contracts this year, before you even start to look at the rooks is not being in GREAT SHAPE.

We have been in great shape every season until this year.

I bet you we manage to make our signings, while still being under the cap when all is said and done.

Want one name that will free up money? Greenway. Owed something like $12 guaranteed this season, re-structure, back end his contract a bit, reduce that to a $4 mil cap hit.

jargomcfargo
07-27-2011, 04:07 PM
Please don't say that because I assume the staff is going to do something means I am in agreement/content with it.

So are you?


That is something i_bleed_purple and Caine do.

Ahhh.


All I do, as I did in my staff assesment thread, is to look at what they have done in the past (the coaches). In this case, Musgrove has (historically) ran the same offense the Chiller did (Pre-Noodle). Lots of multiple TE sets, Short dumpoffs, Run it alot in the A and B gaps. Very few shots down field.

Funny, because when I watched Atlanta play I honestly never thought of it being anything similar to what Childress put on the field.


Again, not me, Musgrove. Doesn't mean I like it or don't. I will, however say, that it makes sense not to make alot of changes given the time the staff has to get things going. Limit the learning curve to just the QB's instead of the whole team and pick QB's that will make that learning curve as small as possible.


If something sucks as bad as our offense has it only makes sense to change it and change it fast considering the staff has a 3 year window to fix it.



In the end, we won't see 3 Deep like alot want to see, but we will see soem cohesiveness that can start out slow and still be effetive and then add to it as the talent evolves.

We don't need 3 deep. OTOH I sure don't remember Philly running lots of 3 TE sets either so I am not sure how you think McNugget is going to step in without a learning curve.

Secondly the biggest adjustment is terminology and if I am not mistaken that is totally different from what we ran last year is it not?
Who was the O-coord in atlanta?

If you are looking at that scheme to determine what Musgrove is going to run you are missing the boat. You need to go back in history and look at what he has done when he was the O-coord and not the QB coach.

Mix that in with the multiple articles when he talks about Coach Mularkey and I think you would have the same guess as to what scheme they might run.

Throw in the importance we put on a QB that didn't have a big arm (Draft), TE that can block and catch (Draft) and the QB's they have targeted in FA (Orton Not known for a big arm) or Dnabb (Best when he is hitting the underneath/shorter stuff rolling out).

Air Coryell (Atlanta Variant)? Not a chance.

I like what Schiancoe said about the playbook.

Many think Musgrave will run an offense similar to Mularkey's in Atlanta.

Mularkey runs a variation of the dink and dunk WCO as Marrdro calls it.

They do use a fullback in the run game. In fact I think he went to the probowl last year. They like to run a counter play out of the I formation with a one tight end set. The fullback starts strong side and cuts back for a seal block on the weak side. The line zone blocks to the strong side. The tight end goes out on a fake route. The slot receiver on the weak side takes his man to the flat and the wideout blocks the corner, also on the weak side.

They also like play action and screens and throw a lot of outs and comebacks. They primarily try to get their best receiver in single coverage by flooding zones.

They also use the two tight end sets which gives them more plays to choose from and possible mismatches.
They were fourth in the league with 450 plays using two tight ends last year.

They also use no huddle offenses at times. That is something I feel Ponder will eventually be good at.

Mularkey's plays are simple but effective. I expect to see something similar from Musgrave.

However we don't have White or Tony G.

If we go get Jackson, or keep Rice, and Rudolph pans out, it will become much easier.

EDIT
Here's an update from an article about Schiancoe and Rudolph that appeared today 7-20-11.

Shiancoe received a copy of the Vikings' new playbook from Ponder, too, and described the offense as "receiver-friendly." Details of the scheme remain sketchy because the NFL lockout wiped out offseason practices, but Ponder said there are "a lot of two-tight end sets" and Shiancoe pointed to offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave's recent history with a team that does the same.
"Just look at the Falcons," Shiancoe said. "That's all I'm going to say about that."


www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Notebook_Vis...rything_I_know071911

Caine
07-27-2011, 04:13 PM
Not sure why Marrdro tried to knee-cap me earlier in this thread by implying I misinterpret his statements...must be that paranoia of being wrong all the time coupled with his advancing senility. Hope he gets over it...

Anyway, I have mixed feelings about McNabb. Part of me sort of expected a move like this. McNabb gives us a chance to win now while developing Ponder - Like Warner in New York while She-lie got comfortable. He will be more comfortable than a Rookie or a 2nd year project on opening day. And, if nothing else, he'll be a great source of instruction for the new guys.

The downside is: How much will we pay him.

See, I don't expect his to be "The Guy" for very long. He may surprise us - like Warner did in Arizona or Vick did in Philly - but I see him as a transition guy. He's here to keep the team moving forward while our other options come to fruition.

I think that - from THAT standpoint - McNabb might be a great pick-up. He might give us 2-3 strong seasons while Ponder matures...or he may crap out 1/2 way through this season.

Unlike Marrdro - who hates on all things Favre (probably due to penis envy) - I don't hate anything here. The biggest difference between these two situations is that we have someone in the wings to develop while we let the old timer take a shot or two. When Chiller signed Favre, there was no real development option on the bench (And don't say "Jackson"...the speed with which they jettisoned him says it all).

Again, my MAIN concern is how much this sets us back financially. We still need help at other positions, and we have a few vital players to lock up long term (Greenway & AP).

Truthfully, I'm more concerned about the Rice bidding-war. Bevell has already shown how foolish he is by suckering them into signing Jackson...he'll probably run up Rice too.

Caine

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 04:18 PM
Truthfully, I'm more concerned about the Rice bidding-war. Bevell has already shown how foolish he is by suckering them into signing Jackson...he'll probably run up Rice too.

I read an interesting article which made a couple poitns about Rice.

The owner of the Shithawks (forget his name) has never been the bidding type. The past few years, they expressed interest in Vincent Jackson and Brandon Lloyd, same way they express interest in Rice. However, they assign a value, and do not go over. They aren't really a team to aggressively pursue a guy and overpay in a bidding war. That might get us a bit of an advantage.

Seattle: Competitive, but not huge money, T-Joke or WhiteHurt throwing, patchwork line, Marshawn Lynch running, shaky at best defense.

Minny: Competitive to big money, DNabb throwing, Patchwork line, AP running, decent defense.

Of course, he could just go elsewhere that wants him, but I'd like to think the Vikings will do what it takes(within reason) to get him back. Obviously not a stupid contract, but a competitive contract with bonus incentives should be fair. I think wherever he ends up, he'll have a heavily incentive-based contract, just due to the risk of injury with him. You can't guarantee him $30 mil and 6 years like you can a Vincent Jackson. You can give him a modest bonus, with the potential for a big payday.

Caine
07-27-2011, 04:22 PM
Truthfully, I'm more concerned about the Rice bidding-war. Bevell has already shown how foolish he is by suckering them into signing Jackson...he'll probably run up Rice too.

I read an interesting article which made a couple poitns about Rice.

The owner of the Shithawks (forget his name) has never been the bidding type. The past few years, they expressed interest in Vincent Jackson and Brandon Lloyd, same way they express interest in Rice. However, they assign a value, and do not go over. They aren't really a team to aggressively pursue a guy and overpay in a bidding war. That might get us a bit of an advantage.

Seattle: Competitive, but not huge money, T-Joke or WhiteHurt throwing, patchwork line, Marshawn Lynch running, shaky at best defense.

Minny: Competitive to big money, DNabb throwing, Patchwork line, AP running, decent defense.

Of course, he could just go elsewhere that wants him, but I'd like to think the Vikings will do what it takes(within reason) to get him back. Obviously not a stupid contract, but a competitive contract with bonus incentives should be fair. I think wherever he ends up, he'll have a heavily incentive-based contract, just due to the risk of injury with him. You can't guarantee him $30 mil and 6 years like you can a Vincent Jackson. You can give him a modest bonus, with the potential for a big payday.

I could live with that. Like I said elsewhere, I like Rice....just not a really EXPENSIVE Rice...

Caine

mountainviking
07-27-2011, 05:01 PM
Seattle outbid us for Housh that one year...thank God! ;)

As far as Rice is concerned, that hip surgery may still be a concern. Got to wonder why we've only heard of 2 teams wanting his services so far...both of which have coaches who've had contact with him somewhat recently!? ;)

As for McNabb, we definitely wasn't my first choice, but the Skins don't exactly have the best WR core nor OL, nor a RB like Peterson. Perhaps the McNabb can be better than expected here. The only two years he's ever had worse than half his TDs in INTs were his rookie year and last year. He's been averaging over 7.5 yards a completion and 4 yards a carry for 7 years with about a 60% completion rate. Not Bad.

And, he's never had a true, workhorse RB like Peterson! With Harvin, our TE trio and slew of somebody-is-goona-stepup WRs, we just might surprise folks! Maybe? Ponder has more time than expected to "get hungry" on the sidelines!?!??

SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SOOOOOOOO GLAD FOOTBALL IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 05:10 PM
From Chris Kluwe's twitter:

@ChrisWarcraft So here's the deal. If McNabb comes and wants 5, it's his, BUT he has to promise to mention Tripping Icarus in at least 5 press conferences.

@ChrisWarcraft Also, I will take number 4, since pi is not an option.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 05:16 PM
]Seattle outbid us for Housh that one year...thank God! ;)[/b]

As far as Rice is concerned, that hip surgery may still be a concern. Got to wonder why we've only heard of 2 teams wanting his services so far...both of which have coaches who've had contact with him somewhat recently!? ;)

As for McNabb, we definitely wasn't my first choice, but the Skins don't exactly have the best WR core nor OL, nor a RB like Peterson. Perhaps the McNabb can be better than expected here. The only two years he's ever had worse than half his TDs in INTs were his rookie year and last year. He's been averaging over 7.5 yards a completion and 4 yards a carry for 7 years with about a 60% completion rate. Not Bad.

And, he's never had a true, workhorse RB like Peterson! With Harvin, our TE trio and slew of somebody-is-goona-stepup WRs, we just might surprise folks! Maybe? Ponder has more time than expected to "get hungry" on the sidelines!?!??

SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SOOOOOOOO GLAD FOOTBALL IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Burleson. That contract still makes me laugh my ass off. I guess taking that into consideration makes the Jackson and Bevell signings easier to understand.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 05:18 PM
]Seattle outbid us for Housh that one year...thank God! ;)[/b]

As far as Rice is concerned, that hip surgery may still be a concern. Got to wonder why we've only heard of 2 teams wanting his services so far...both of which have coaches who've had contact with him somewhat recently!? ;)

As for McNabb, we definitely wasn't my first choice, but the Skins don't exactly have the best WR core nor OL, nor a RB like Peterson. Perhaps the McNabb can be better than expected here. The only two years he's ever had worse than half his TDs in INTs were his rookie year and last year. He's been averaging over 7.5 yards a completion and 4 yards a carry for 7 years with about a 60% completion rate. Not Bad.

And, he's never had a true, workhorse RB like Peterson! With Harvin, our TE trio and slew of somebody-is-goona-stepup WRs, we just might surprise folks! Maybe? Ponder has more time than expected to "get hungry" on the sidelines!?!??

SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SOOOOOOOO GLAD FOOTBALL IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Burleson. That contract still makes me laugh my ass off. I guess taking that into consideration makes the Jackson and Bevell signings easier to understand.

I thought Housh went there because we had a garbage QB, not because of the money?

tastywaves
07-27-2011, 05:20 PM
Is hate too strong of a word?


Has any team been sad to see him go?


Doesn't that tell you something?


I hope they sign TO as a WR

Will you be calling him McNoodle and start developing psychotic theories as the season progresses?

How do the Bengals look to you this season?

In all honesty I believe my hate for him is probably greater than what Marr had for Farve.

In all honesty I would have been happier with them declaring Jackson the starting QB.

My largest disappointment is that it caused you to change your avatar.

If McNabb comes in on a reasonable contract, I can get behind the decision. I'm not his biggest fan, but he is very servicable when looking around the NFL.

I have no idea what Ponder is or will be, but starting him out this year on this team might just be the death of him. McNabb is used to getting the shit beat out of him and could be a nice transition for the team.

This team is far from SB worthy at this point, but they are not completely out of the picture and I have to believe that McNabb/Ponder/Webb gives us a better chance than Ponder/Webb/Bomar. If Ponder turns out to be a dud, then you just throw a season away for nothing. If he is destined for greatness, we'll know soon enough with or without McNabb on the team. Our schedule looks to be a lot more favorable this year over last and I would hate to just pack it in.

Also, I got to believe it gives us a better chance of keeping Rice or getting another quality WR signed.

jmcdon00
07-27-2011, 05:29 PM
No, let them develop on the field. Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Big Ben, Manning, Brees,Eli all started right away. Sitting in the bench is no benefit to a young QB. Just let the guy you drafted play it out and be done with it. Fix that OL so he can stay healthy and start the transition.
I think it comes down to the team and the QB.

If we can keep Rice, we definately have the offense to support Ponders learning process on the field. Even without him it isn't that bad.

Mix in that Ponder seems to have the makeup to learn on the field and I think we wouldn't have that many issues with him coming out right away, especialy if you shift the burden of site adjustments/audibles to one of the OLmen (assist at least).

If you have a shitty team that isn't going to help the kid, then no, let him sit the bench and watch the Vet.

Lots of QB's started out with crappy teams and played through it. If we aren't contending anyway then why the hell bring in a vet QB for the year? Just let the young guy get the reps and build his chemistry with the team and let him develop. All benching him is going to do is push back his learning curve a year or 2 and those years might be ones we need him to be ready.
I can go either way on this, but my biggest concern about bringing in any vet was what impact would it have on resigning key vets as well as extending key vets.

I, for one, wish we would have used 20Mil last year to resign guys like Rice or Chad instead of just tendering them/ignoring them.

Instead we paid 20 mil for alot of heartache and let down.

I am watching with interest what the ##'rs look like for the deal.

2 year, $15 mil is my bet. Backloaded so we have room this year to re-sign Greenway, Rooks and FA's.

Rob's a smart guy, he's kept us in great cap shape, I'm sure we'll get under the cap and get signing soon. Word is most GM's are taking their time so far, as they're trying to get their financials figured out before seriously making signings. You might notice only one big-name player has been signed thus far.
GREAT CAP SHAPE?

Bryzheapski is a joke. Can you imagine how good we would look if he would have spend 20 mil on these guys and kept it around what the rest of the world anticipated the CAP would be?

Continuing to chant his greatness is crazy talk.

Over the CAP and having 10 players that need contracts this year, before you even start to look at the rooks is not being in GREAT SHAPE.
Let me ask you a question. In the past 5 years that Brizinski has been in charge have we every ran into a situation where I guy they really wanted was blocked because of the salary cap?
Yes he has challenges, and he is working to fix them. I have faith he will once again find a way to get it done.

kevoncox
07-27-2011, 06:10 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 06:12 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.

You must have put extra sugar in the Purple Kool Aid this morning. We are at about 5-11.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 06:15 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.
Jets - average QB, fantastic run game. Decent Receivers, good TE, easily a top-5 defense.


Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?
Steelers good(clutch) QB, good run game, good receivers, good TE, top -10 easy Defense.


Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.
You forgot HOF coach who can coach a team of sewer rats to an the playoffs.


Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.
Decent QB, fantastic run gam, terrible OL, 1 WR's, shaky DL, decent LB, poor DBs, top-15 D.



You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.

superbowl ready teams don't go 6-10. They just don't.

kevoncox
07-27-2011, 06:17 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.

You must have put extra sugar in the Purple Kool Aid this morning. We are at about 5-11.

I don't think so. Who in the NFC is so much better than us? The Bucs?
Young QB, Average Rush game, Young WRs, Young DL, Good Lbs, Average Secondary?

Saints? Flacons? There is no team in the NFC that I feel we can't line up and beat on any day. The eagles? Cowboys?

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 06:23 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.

You must have put extra sugar in the Purple Kool Aid this morning. We are at about 5-11.

I don't think so. Who in the NFC is so much better than us?

Better: Falcons, Bucs, Giants, Saints, Packers, Bears

Close, but can't say at this point: Eagles, Cowboys, Lions.

We are NOT a championship caliber team. We're losing players, and have not really made any real effort to sign new players (or our own) thus far.

if the bears get a real receiver or two, they can be a very good team. Packers get 11 players back from injury. It's like them getting two draft classes this year. Lions have been improving steadily, and have already shown they can beat us. Bucs have Freeman, who arguably could be a top-10 QB this year. They have Mike Williams, who is looking like a real good draft choice. improving D and run game, they are in contention for a wild card spot this year. I do not want to play them.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 06:25 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.

You must have put extra sugar in the Purple Kool Aid this morning. We are at about 5-11.

I don't think so. Who in the NFC is so much better than us? The Bucs?
Young QB, Average Rush game, Young WRs, Young DL, Good Lbs, Average Secondary?

Saints? Flacons? There is no team in the NFC that I feel we can't line up and beat on any day. The eagles? Cowboys?

Just in our division we are not as good as the Packers, we will be questionable against the Bears and I am not certain we will be able to beat the Lions now that they have gotten their stuff together.

We would not win any division in the NFC except possibly the west.

Have another glass.:woohoo:

midgensa
07-27-2011, 06:26 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.

You must have put extra sugar in the Purple Kool Aid this morning. We are at about 5-11.

I don't think so. Who in the NFC is so much better than us? The Bucs?
Young QB, Average Rush game, Young WRs, Young DL, Good Lbs, Average Secondary?

Saints? Flacons? There is no team in the NFC that I feel we can't line up and beat on any day. The eagles? Cowboys?
I agree ... I don't see any teams that dominate us, but I do see teams that appear to be clearly better than us. In the NFC, the Falcons, Saints and Packers are are clearly better equipped teams right now. In the AFC I would say the Colts, Patriots, Steelers and Ravens are clearly in better shape than us.

That said. I definitely think we can legitimately compete for the playoffs. And the way this league is, and the way Rodgers' head get bounced around, if McNabb emerges, we have a shot at the division.

We will be very solid on defense I think. Frazier is not going to let that slip. So, if Rudolph gets up to speed, Harvin and Rice are on the squad and healthy. We can definitely make a lot more noise than people have us pegged for.

oppoldassoc
07-27-2011, 06:32 PM
Good move in my opinion. There wasn't a better vet on the market for the Vikes for this season. They need a 1 year stop-gap because there is NO WAY Ponder is successful as the starter this year with no OTAs and no contact with the coaching staff until this week.

I think that this is the team's best option to be continue being competitive - its nice to know that the team doesn't view this year as a complete rebuidling year. We have too many vets on the roster for that...

kevoncox
07-27-2011, 06:55 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.

You must have put extra sugar in the Purple Kool Aid this morning. We are at about 5-11.

I don't think so. Who in the NFC is so much better than us?

Better: Falcons, Bucs, Giants, Saints, Packers, Bears

Close, but can't say at this point: Eagles, Cowboys, Lions.

We are NOT a championship caliber team. We're losing players, and have not really made any real effort to sign new players (or our own) thus far.

if the bears get a real receiver or two, they can be a very good team. Packers get 11 players back from injury. It's like them getting two draft classes this year. Lions have been improving steadily, and have already shown they can beat us. Bucs have Freeman, who arguably could be a top-10 QB this year. They have Mike Williams, who is looking like a real good draft choice. improving D and run game, they are in contention for a wild card spot this year. I do not want to play them.

You are scared of the Bucs?
SMH. I'm also not even gonna talk about the fact that you think we have a top 15 defense when we were ranked 8th last season...with an awfulllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll offense.

We get Ced back and any throw made opposite of Winfield is no longer a completion. Cook and Asher a a year better in their position.

We no longer have Favre killing drives with his plays. Our Oline looks to be healthy and we have added a 2nd really good TE. We may get Mcnabb who is better at this point that Farve last season.

The bucs are not better than us.
The Packers appear to be better than us...but that's why the games are played on the field.

The falcons have....A ancient TE past his prime. 1 Wr and no defense. Abraham is past his prime and they have no other pass rushers.

Again... every other team has holes. We are no different.

kevoncox
07-27-2011, 06:59 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.

You must have put extra sugar in the Purple Kool Aid this morning. We are at about 5-11.

I don't think so. Who in the NFC is so much better than us? The Bucs?
Young QB, Average Rush game, Young WRs, Young DL, Good Lbs, Average Secondary?

Saints? Flacons? There is no team in the NFC that I feel we can't line up and beat on any day. The eagles? Cowboys?

Just in our division we are not as good as the Packers, we will be questionable against the Bears and I am not certain we will be able to beat the Lions now that they have gotten their stuff together.

We would not win any division in the NFC except possibly the west.

Have another glass.:woohoo:

We can easily win the NFC south. We beat every team except the G-Men in the NFC east. What are you talking about? I know it's doom and gloom but this team is capable of playing with anyone. Lets see how training camp goes.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 06:59 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.

You must have put extra sugar in the Purple Kool Aid this morning. We are at about 5-11.

I don't think so. Who in the NFC is so much better than us?

Better: Falcons, Bucs, Giants, Saints, Packers, Bears

Close, but can't say at this point: Eagles, Cowboys, Lions.

We are NOT a championship caliber team. We're losing players, and have not really made any real effort to sign new players (or our own) thus far.

if the bears get a real receiver or two, they can be a very good team. Packers get 11 players back from injury. It's like them getting two draft classes this year. Lions have been improving steadily, and have already shown they can beat us. Bucs have Freeman, who arguably could be a top-10 QB this year. They have Mike Williams, who is looking like a real good draft choice. improving D and run game, they are in contention for a wild card spot this year. I do not want to play them.

You are scared of the Bucs?
SMH. I'm also not even gonna talk about the fact that you think we have a top 15 defense when we were ranked 8th last season...with an awfulllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll offense.

We were ranked #8 because we gave teams short fields, and allowed them to get in a comfortable position where they didn't have to push for yards.

we have never been a shutdown defense, and we've only degressed the past few years. Losing Leber, Griffin and Pat will not improve the unit.


We get Ced back and any throw made opposite of Winfield is no longer a completion. Cook and Asher a a year better in their position.Griff is good, but he's not a "any throw made opposite of Winfield is no longer a completion" when healthy. Now, coming of two torn ACL's, do you really expect him to be 100%? I sure don't. Most corners don't come off one torn ACL, nevermind two.



We no longer have Favre killing drives with his plays. Our Oline looks to be healthy and we have added a 2nd really good TE. We may get Mcnabb who is better at this point that Farve last season.
The only improvement so far is McNabb. our OL is still the same. healthy? yes. Improved? I guess it can't be any worse.


The bucs are not better than us.
The Packers appear to be better than us...but that's why the games are played on the field.

The falcons have....A ancient TE past his prime. 1 Wr and no defense. Abraham is past his prime and they have no other pass rushers. And yet they got the #1 seed in the NFC last year. btw, that ancient TE, caught 70 catches for 656 yards and 6 TD's. Remind me, what did Shank do last year?

that 1 WR was top 5 in the league. Oh, and they have Turner, who while hurt was still a top RB in the league.

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 07:01 PM
No, let them develop on the field. Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Big Ben, Manning, Brees,Eli all started right away. Sitting in the bench is no benefit to a young QB. Just let the guy you drafted play it out and be done with it. Fix that OL so he can stay healthy and start the transition.
I think it comes down to the team and the QB.

If we can keep Rice, we definately have the offense to support Ponders learning process on the field. Even without him it isn't that bad.

Mix in that Ponder seems to have the makeup to learn on the field and I think we wouldn't have that many issues with him coming out right away, especialy if you shift the burden of site adjustments/audibles to one of the OLmen (assist at least).

If you have a shitty team that isn't going to help the kid, then no, let him sit the bench and watch the Vet.

Lots of QB's started out with crappy teams and played through it. If we aren't contending anyway then why the hell bring in a vet QB for the year? Just let the young guy get the reps and build his chemistry with the team and let him develop. All benching him is going to do is push back his learning curve a year or 2 and those years might be ones we need him to be ready.
I can go either way on this, but my biggest concern about bringing in any vet was what impact would it have on resigning key vets as well as extending key vets.

I, for one, wish we would have used 20Mil last year to resign guys like Rice or Chad instead of just tendering them/ignoring them.

Instead we paid 20 mil for alot of heartache and let down.

I am watching with interest what the ##'rs look like for the deal.

2 year, $15 mil is my bet. Backloaded so we have room this year to re-sign Greenway, Rooks and FA's.

Rob's a smart guy, he's kept us in great cap shape, I'm sure we'll get under the cap and get signing soon. Word is most GM's are taking their time so far, as they're trying to get their financials figured out before seriously making signings. You might notice only one big-name player has been signed thus far.
GREAT CAP SHAPE?

Bryzheapski is a joke. Can you imagine how good we would look if he would have spend 20 mil on these guys and kept it around what the rest of the world anticipated the CAP would be?

Continuing to chant his greatness is crazy talk.

Over the CAP and having 10 players that need contracts this year, before you even start to look at the rooks is not being in GREAT SHAPE.
Let me ask you a question. In the past 5 years that Brizinski has been in charge have we every ran into a situation where I guy they really wanted was blocked because of the salary cap?
Yes he has challenges, and he is working to fix them. I have faith he will once again find a way to get it done.
I was just listening to someone on NFLN talking about how teams can take existing contracts, roll the money into gauranteed bonus and then spread that out over 5 years or so.

Basically, taking something like 15 mil and turning into a 3 mil CAP hit.

Because we don't have guys like Rice or Chad on a long term contract, we can't do that this year.

Its his job to anticpate these things. The owners know what they were going to get when it came to CAP 2 years ago. Lots of teams have now put themselves into positions to work that angle excvpet for a select few, of which the Vikes are one.

Can we blame the owner? Possibly. Maybe Bryzcheapski explained this to him and he said no. Doesn't really matter at this point. Alls I know is we are in a jam and his face is the one that has shit stamped all over it until he fixes.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 07:04 PM
It appears we've found Marty's scapegoat for this season!

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 07:04 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.
YUP, another one on the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

Fricken amazing how the tides shift on this site my friend.

Funny that you mentioned shit broadcasters. Most of those yutzs even know how good the Vikings are and how good a fit the Dnabb thing is especially considering that we have Ponder on the bench.

One thing they keep saying though, is, that they really need Rice back. That I agree with as well.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 07:06 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.
YUP, another one on the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

Fricken amazing how the tides shift on this site my friend.

Funny that you mentioned shit broadcasters. Most of those yutzs even know how good the Vikings are and how good a fit the Dnabb thing is especially considering that we have Ponder on the bench.

One thing they keep saying though, is, that they really need Rice back. That I agree with as well.

I look at it this way. To be a legitimate championship team, you need to be a top-4 team in the league.

I truly do not believe we are a top-4 team. top-10 is a stretch.

Do we have the talent to beat anybody? Sure.

tere are upsets all the time. Can we consistently beat good teams? That's the issue.

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 07:07 PM
It appears we've found Marty's scapegoat for this season!
And who might that be?

It isn't like I haven't hacked on Bryzcheapski. Truth of the matter is, other than the poison pill thing (which is still biting us in the ass) he really hasn't shown me anything that any other capologist has in the league. Truth of the matter is, I think he is about in the bottom third of that group based on were we sit coming into this situation.

Again, the owners had a pretty good idea what they were going to ask for in the CBA. Bryzcheapski, by the fact that he had insight into that as being a part of the FO pukes, screwed the pooch.

We should be rolling contracts this year. Not trying to start them.

RK.
07-27-2011, 07:08 PM
I just hope I don't have to watch his mother pushing cans of soup off on our line. :)

I have to assume if he can't play our coach's wouldn't sign him. My problem is I have hated the Eagles so long its hard to let go of my dislike for McNabb. However I did eventually get over Favre in a viking uni so I suppose I can get over McNabb as well.

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 07:08 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.
YUP, another one on the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

Fricken amazing how the tides shift on this site my friend.

Funny that you mentioned shit broadcasters. Most of those yutzs even know how good the Vikings are and how good a fit the Dnabb thing is especially considering that we have Ponder on the bench.

One thing they keep saying though, is, that they really need Rice back. That I agree with as well.

I look at it this way. To be a legitimate championship team, you need to be a top-4 team in the league.

I truly do not believe we are a top-4 team. top-10 is a stretch.

Do we have the talent to beat anybody? Sure.

tere are upsets all the time. Can we consistently beat good teams? That's the issue.
In 2009 we beat good teams right? How much of a turnover have we had from that team (if we resign Rice)?

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 07:09 PM
I just hope I don't have to watch his mother pushing cans of soup off on our line. :)

I have to assume if he can't play our coach's wouldn't sign him. My problem is I have hated the Eagles so long its hard to let go of my dislike for McNabb. However I did eventually get over Favre in a viking uni so I suppose I can get over McNabb as well.
Your a bigger man than I my friend. There are things I just can't get over.

One of my failings in life.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 07:12 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.
YUP, another one on the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

Fricken amazing how the tides shift on this site my friend.

Funny that you mentioned shit broadcasters. Most of those yutzs even know how good the Vikings are and how good a fit the Dnabb thing is especially considering that we have Ponder on the bench.

One thing they keep saying though, is, that they really need Rice back. That I agree with as well.

I look at it this way. To be a legitimate championship team, you need to be a top-4 team in the league.

I truly do not believe we are a top-4 team. top-10 is a stretch.

Do we have the talent to beat anybody? Sure.

tere are upsets all the time. Can we consistently beat good teams? That's the issue.
In 2009 we beat good teams right? How much of a turnover have we had from that team (if we resign Rice)?


Well Tahi being gone creates a major hole we need to fill. Tony Richardson anyone?

j/k

but seriously:

We had a 1300 yard Rice. If he's back, can we count on a repeat? DNabb isn't the gunslinger Favre was, will he give Rice those same chances Favre did? Hard to say.

We get an improved Harvin.

We have a declining OL
We have lost DT's and LDE
We lost Leber
We lost Griffin
We might lose M-Will
We might lose Longwell
We might lose Berrian
We get a QB, who I can guarantee will not repeat the success passing we had in 2009.
We get Ponder, who if has to start, will go through the learning stage.

Favre will go down as an all-time great. McNabb will not. It's an obvious downgrade in the QB situation.

Marrdro
07-27-2011, 07:23 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.
YUP, another one on the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

Fricken amazing how the tides shift on this site my friend.

Funny that you mentioned shit broadcasters. Most of those yutzs even know how good the Vikings are and how good a fit the Dnabb thing is especially considering that we have Ponder on the bench.

One thing they keep saying though, is, that they really need Rice back. That I agree with as well.

I look at it this way. To be a legitimate championship team, you need to be a top-4 team in the league.

I truly do not believe we are a top-4 team. top-10 is a stretch.

Do we have the talent to beat anybody? Sure.

tere are upsets all the time. Can we consistently beat good teams? That's the issue.
In 2009 we beat good teams right? How much of a turnover have we had from that team (if we resign Rice)?


Well Tahi being gone creates a major hole we need to fill. Tony Richardson anyone?

j/k

but seriously:

We had a 1300 yard Rice. If he's back, can we count on a repeat? DNabb isn't the gunslinger Favre was, will he give Rice those same chances Favre did? Hard to say.

We get an improved Harvin.

We have a declining OL
We have lost DT's and LDE
We lost Leber
We lost Griffin
We might lose M-Will
We might lose Longwell
We might lose Berrian
We get a QB, who I can guarantee will not repeat the success passing we had in 2009.
We get Ponder, who if has to start, will go through the learning stage.

Favre will go down as an all-time great. McNabb will not. It's an obvious downgrade in the QB situation.
Our secondary, especially the CB's will be healthy = better.

Erin should be an upgrade over Ben.

M-will I can live without. Nice young talent behind him. A couple of FA still available

Shortwell. Who cares. There are lots of good K's available.

Berrian won't be as big a deal cause they are going back to dink/dunk. Anyone an run a 8/9 route.

OL is not declining. It is not health, except maybe Herrera. Some nice depth behind him. Even with the backups in last year we ranked top 15 OL.

We have a veteran who has succeeded and has been to the big dance. We have a very nice rook sitting and learning who could come in and win if asked. Hell, we even have a QB that was drafted as a WR who came in last year and won with the team a HOF couldn't win with.

Were we do have issues at....

DT. A suspension looms and we have no clear replacement at the 0/1 tech.

DE. I'm not sure I am sold yet on Griff or one of the other 2 brought in this year but I suspect one of them will be able to hold down the LDE position in our base defense. If we have to resort to Rob, well, then we have issues. He proved last year that he is not a everydown LDE.

TE. I don't think we have enough. We are going to wear them out this year. Hope they fill a few PS spots with one or two of them.

C. If we are in fact moving from the ZB scheme (I have read stuff of late that says other wise) we really don't have any Centers on the roster other that ZB'ng Centers.

As with all teams, there are issues but nothing that suggests we can't be successfull.

In short, give it a rest. The Noodle is gone, but that doesn't mean we are crap or can't win it all.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 07:30 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.
YUP, another one on the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

Fricken amazing how the tides shift on this site my friend.

Funny that you mentioned shit broadcasters. Most of those yutzs even know how good the Vikings are and how good a fit the Dnabb thing is especially considering that we have Ponder on the bench.

One thing they keep saying though, is, that they really need Rice back. That I agree with as well.

I look at it this way. To be a legitimate championship team, you need to be a top-4 team in the league.

I truly do not believe we are a top-4 team. top-10 is a stretch.

Do we have the talent to beat anybody? Sure.

tere are upsets all the time. Can we consistently beat good teams? That's the issue.
In 2009 we beat good teams right? How much of a turnover have we had from that team (if we resign Rice)?


Well Tahi being gone creates a major hole we need to fill. Tony Richardson anyone?

j/k

but seriously:

We had a 1300 yard Rice. If he's back, can we count on a repeat? DNabb isn't the gunslinger Favre was, will he give Rice those same chances Favre did? Hard to say.

We get an improved Harvin.

We have a declining OL
We have lost DT's and LDE
We lost Leber
We lost Griffin
We might lose M-Will
We might lose Longwell
We might lose Berrian
We get a QB, who I can guarantee will not repeat the success passing we had in 2009.
We get Ponder, who if has to start, will go through the learning stage.

Favre will go down as an all-time great. McNabb will not. It's an obvious downgrade in the QB situation.
Our secondary, especially the CB's will be healthy = better.
Can Cook start? He might have to.

Griffin, as I've said before, has two torn ACL's. Most corners have trouble coming off one torn ACL, nevermind both knees. Maybe move him to safety? All I know, is I don't expect him to return to form, possibly ever.


Erin should be an upgrade over Ben. based on what? Your hopes?
If Erin were an upgrade, he would have started don't you think?


M-will I can live without. Nice young talent behind him. A couple of FA still available

Shortwell. Who cares. There are lots of good K's available.
No, there aren't. There is Akers and Vinateiri. Longwell has outkicked both of them that past few years. You don't like Longwells range? You'd hate Vinateiri. Garrett Hartley is an RFA. After that, nobody noteworthy.


Berrian won't be as big a deal cause they are going back to dink/dunk. Anyone an run a 8/9 route.

OL is not declining. It is not health, except maybe Herrera. Some nice depth behind him. Even with the backups in last year we ranked top 15 OL.
Loadholt played like crap, Hutch has been declining for the past couple years. Sully will be back, but I have never been impressed with him. Herrerra has been off the past two years. I have absolutely no reason to believe we will be improved on the OL.


We have a veteran who has succeeded and has been to the big dance. We have a very nice rook sitting and learning who could come in and win if asked. Hell, we even have a QB that was drafted as a WR who came in last year and won with the team a HOF couldn't win with.
Yet it's still a step down from 09. Not saying QB is a problem, but it's a step down.

Were we do have issues at....

DT. A suspension looms and we have no clear replacement at the 0/1 tech.

DE. I'm not sure I am sold yet on Griff or one of the other 2 brought in this year but I suspect one of them will be able to hold down the LDE position in our base defense. If we have to resort to Rob, well, then we have issues. He proved last year that he is not a everydown LDE.

TE. I don't think we have enough. We are going to wear them out this year. Hope they fill a few PS spots with one or two of them.[/quote]
We signed about 3 UDFAs


C. If we are in fact moving from the ZB scheme (I have read stuff of late that says other wise) we really don't have any Centers on the roster other that ZB'ng Centers.

As with all teams, there are issues but nothing that suggests we can't be successfull.

In short, give it a rest. The Noodle is gone, but that doesn't mean we are crap or can't win it all.

If you choose to live in your fantasy land where Madieu Williams rules all Safeties, and Tahi couldl block a hole through Mt. Everest, then by all means, go right ahead. Me, and most of the rest of the fans will live in reality, where we are an average team at best until we can prove otherwise.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 07:35 PM
We can easily win the NFC south. We beat every team except the G-Men in the NFC east. What are you talking about? I know it's doom and gloom but this team is capable of playing with anyone. Lets see how training camp goes.

Did the Saints, Falcons and Bucs leave the NFCS?

Look, the reality is we are going to lose guys, bring in new guys, we have a rookie coaching staff and still have Wilf as an owner who so far has not shown he has the chops to hang with the big boys.

Could they win? I suppose, but then again TJ could be league MVP. Are either likely to happen? No.

jmcdon00
07-27-2011, 07:37 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.
YUP, another one on the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

Fricken amazing how the tides shift on this site my friend.

Funny that you mentioned shit broadcasters. Most of those yutzs even know how good the Vikings are and how good a fit the Dnabb thing is especially considering that we have Ponder on the bench.

One thing they keep saying though, is, that they really need Rice back. That I agree with as well.

I look at it this way. To be a legitimate championship team, you need to be a top-4 team in the league.

I truly do not believe we are a top-4 team. top-10 is a stretch.

Do we have the talent to beat anybody? Sure.

tere are upsets all the time. Can we consistently beat good teams? That's the issue.At this time last year were the Packers a top 4 team?
Things change very quickly in the NFL. 1st to last and last to first is the norm not the exception.
If McNabb has even an average year he is going to have 10more TD and 10 fewer turnovers than Favre had in 2010. That could easily translate to 4 more wins and a playoff birth. Once in the playoffs every team has a chance.

tastywaves
07-27-2011, 07:38 PM
Sources: Vikings Have Trade for McNabb (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6807795/donovan-mcnabb-trade-minnesota-vikings-place-sources-say?campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines)

Hmmmm. Sounds like there is still some work left to do.


The one sticking point now appears to be McNabb's concern Tuesday night about how the Vikings' side of the situation was handled. Sources said there were some in the organization who expressed a preference in acquiring quarterback Tyler Thigpen, who since has agreed to terms with the Buffalo Bills.

Looks like someone has some 'splaining to do.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 07:40 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.
YUP, another one on the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

Fricken amazing how the tides shift on this site my friend.

Funny that you mentioned shit broadcasters. Most of those yutzs even know how good the Vikings are and how good a fit the Dnabb thing is especially considering that we have Ponder on the bench.

One thing they keep saying though, is, that they really need Rice back. That I agree with as well.

I look at it this way. To be a legitimate championship team, you need to be a top-4 team in the league.

I truly do not believe we are a top-4 team. top-10 is a stretch.

Do we have the talent to beat anybody? Sure.

tere are upsets all the time. Can we consistently beat good teams? That's the issue.At this time last year were the Packers a top 4 team?
Things change very quickly in the NFL. 1st to last and last to first is the norm not the exception.
If McNabb has even an average year he is going to have 10more TD and 10 fewer turnovers than Favre had in 2010. That could easily translate to 4 more wins and a playoff birth. Once in the playoffs every team has a chance.

Going into the season, absolutely they had a shot. No denying they had playmakers everywhere. When they got hurt, that's when the questions started arising, but they managed to overcome.

Hell, here's Peter Kings 2010 preseason rankings: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/05/16/ranking/index.html

check out who the #1 team he picked is.

jmcdon00
07-27-2011, 08:00 PM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.
YUP, another one on the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

Fricken amazing how the tides shift on this site my friend.

Funny that you mentioned shit broadcasters. Most of those yutzs even know how good the Vikings are and how good a fit the Dnabb thing is especially considering that we have Ponder on the bench.

One thing they keep saying though, is, that they really need Rice back. That I agree with as well.

I look at it this way. To be a legitimate championship team, you need to be a top-4 team in the league.

I truly do not believe we are a top-4 team. top-10 is a stretch.

Do we have the talent to beat anybody? Sure.

tere are upsets all the time. Can we consistently beat good teams? That's the issue.At this time last year were the Packers a top 4 team?
Things change very quickly in the NFL. 1st to last and last to first is the norm not the exception.
If McNabb has even an average year he is going to have 10more TD and 10 fewer turnovers than Favre had in 2010. That could easily translate to 4 more wins and a playoff birth. Once in the playoffs every team has a chance.

Going into the season, absolutely they had a shot. No denying they had playmakers everywhere. When they got hurt, that's when the questions started arising, but they managed to overcome.

Hell, here's Peter Kings 2010 preseason rankings: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/05/16/ranking/index.html

check out who the #1 team he picked is.
And he had the steelers number 12, but they went to the superbowl.
My point is there are far more than 4 teams that have a chance to be superbowl champions this year.
And even if the Vikings simply don't have the talent to compete, they still have to try. It's not the NBA.

Zeus
07-27-2011, 08:11 PM
YUP, another one on the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

I love my Vikes, but to think that "success" in 2011 is defined as anything other than winning more than 6 games is ludicrous.

QB - rookie or aged, broken-down veteran
RB - best in the league at running, mediocre at catching passes or blocking
WR - one weapon (I am assuming Rice is gone) in Harvin.
TE - I like Shank, but he's not top-10.
O-Line - bottom-10 in the NFL.

D-Line - 1 end, 1 tackle, the rest are stiffs
LB - a strength with EJ and Greenway, but losing Leber will hurt
CB - depth a real problem
S - Abdullah is a comer - but what else to they have?

An honest assessment shows that the talent is just not there to compete at a high level in the NFL.

=Z=

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 08:13 PM
YUP, another one on the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

I love my Vikes, but to think that "success" in 2011 is defined as anything other than winning more than 6 games is ludicrous.

QB - rookie or aged, broken-down veteran
RB - best in the league at running, mediocre at catching passes or blocking
WR - one weapon (I am assuming Rice is gone) in Harvin.
TE - I like Shank, but he's not top-10.
O-Line - bottom-10 in the NFL.

D-Line - 1 end, 1 tackle, the rest are stiffs
LB - a strength with EJ and Greenway, but losing Leber will hurt
CB - depth a real problem
S - Abdullah is a comer - but what else to they have?

An honest assessment shows that the talent is just not there to compete at a high level in the NFL.

=Z=

You jsut earned yourself a spot in the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 08:39 PM
Its a done deal

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/43914992/ns/sports-player_news/


Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia reports that the Redskins' trade of Donovan McNabb to the Vikings in exchange for a 2012 sixth-round pick and conditional sixth-rounder in 2013 is complete.

The (roughly) 14-hour holdup was contract parameters; McNabb needed to rework his deal and get rid of the $10 million option bonus the Redskins owed him per last November's phony extension. McNabb figures to open camp as the favorite to start for the Vikings, but the team won't wait around if the 34-year-old struggles early. Minnesota's scouting department determined before the draft that Christian Ponder was NFL-ready. It's probably a safe bet that both will start games this year, be it due to ineffectiveness or injury behind an aging offensive line that struggles in pass protection. This is a situation to avoid in fantasy football.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 08:40 PM
Its a done deal

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/43914992/ns/sports-player_news/


Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia reports that the Redskins' trade of Donovan McNabb to the Vikings in exchange for a 2012 sixth-round pick and conditional sixth-rounder in 2013 is complete.

The (roughly) 14-hour holdup was contract parameters; McNabb needed to rework his deal and get rid of the $10 million option bonus the Redskins owed him per last November's phony extension. McNabb figures to open camp as the favorite to start for the Vikings, but the team won't wait around if the 34-year-old struggles early. Minnesota's scouting department determined before the draft that Christian Ponder was NFL-ready. It's probably a safe bet that both will start games this year, be it due to ineffectiveness or injury behind an aging offensive line that struggles in pass protection. This is a situation to avoid in fantasy football.

false alarm, not done yet.

A redskins reported reported it 100% donea bout 20 mins ago, then retracted it.


Source: Kelli Johnson on Twitter

@kjohnsoncsn Kelli Johnson
Just told deal is done. Donovan McNabb has officially been traded to Minnesota. #thingsudowhileboardingaplane

@kjohnsoncsn Kelli Johnson
Just told to hold the phone! Premature. Deal for Donovan not finalized. Sorry

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 08:46 PM
In the mean time I read an interesting quote somewhere.

The post was like this:

"Are the Vikings an NFL franchise or a QB museum?"

LMAO

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 08:48 PM
In the mean time I read an interesting quote somewhere.

The post was like this:

"Are the Vikings an NFL franchise or a QB museum?"

LMAO

Little from Column A, little from Column B

NodakPaul
07-27-2011, 08:56 PM
YUP, another one on the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

I love my Vikes, but to think that "success" in 2011 is defined as anything other than winning more than 6 games is ludicrous.

QB - rookie or aged, broken-down veteran
RB - best in the league at running, mediocre at catching passes or blocking
WR - one weapon (I am assuming Rice is gone) in Harvin.
TE - I like Shank, but he's not top-10.
O-Line - bottom-10 in the NFL.

D-Line - 1 end, 1 tackle, the rest are stiffs
LB - a strength with EJ and Greenway, but losing Leber will hurt
CB - depth a real problem
S - Abdullah is a comer - but what else to they have?

An honest assessment shows that the talent is just not there to compete at a high level in the NFL.

=Z=
I agree with everything except in the TE category.

However, I do think that Shank is a top 10 TE. And I love the addition of Rudolph as a 2nd TE in 2TE sets. And our OL line I expect to be better - not top 10 but not bottom 10either. I think the return to man blocking will help immensely.

kevoncox
07-27-2011, 09:09 PM
YUP, another one on the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

I love my Vikes, but to think that "success" in 2011 is defined as anything other than winning more than 6 games is ludicrous.

QB - rookie or aged, broken-down veteran
RB - best in the league at running, mediocre at catching passes or blocking
WR - one weapon (I am assuming Rice is gone) in Harvin.
TE - I like Shank, but he's not top-10.
O-Line - bottom-10 in the NFL.

D-Line - 1 end, 1 tackle, the rest are stiffs
LB - a strength with EJ and Greenway, but losing Leber will hurt
CB - depth a real problem
S - Abdullah is a comer - but what else to they have?

An honest assessment shows that the talent is just not there to compete at a high level in the NFL.

=Z=

NO disrespect but your opinion in things are often way off.

QB - Why is Mcnabb broken down? He three for 300+ yards with no real Wrs last season in 14 games? Everyone wants to claim he is done because his coach, a person that has had multiple run in with players and is known to be a Grade A asshole, benched him. I wager McNabb is a top 7 QB in this league. I believe last season on a terrible Redskins team with no talent was the first time he has been out of playoff contention in along time.

RB - Ad is an above average pass catcher. He's not terrible nor is great. He puts up solid numbers for a starting RB.

WR - one weapon (I am assuming Rice is gone) in Harvin.
Good thing there isn't a time of year where teams add players from other teams in hopes to make their team better. Looks like if we lose Rice, we are just gonna sit on our hands /sarcasm

TE - I like Shank, but he's not top-10.
How is he not Top 10. Name 10 better. Please don't go off of the Espn names. I beat you are

O-Line - bottom-10 in the NFL.
We have no depth and we suffered with injuries. This is a top 15 Oline. Downey Debbie much?

D-Line - 1 end, 1 tackle, the rest are stiffs
Lol. Most teams dont even have that. We have two elite players on the DL and you are complaining. Hell both may be future hall of famers and you veiw that as a negative. Most teams only have stiffs.

LB - a strength with EJ and Greenway, but losing Leber will hurt
I agree.

CB - depth a real problem
How the hell is depth a problem at CB. We have Win, Griffen back, Asher, and Cook. We are young at the reserve but they both have a couple of years under their belts. Good enough for the 8th top defense.

S - Abdullah is a comer - but what else to they have?
So we have 1 safety and FA is over. Nope... It's just starting. How about we see what the team is made up before we say the season is over.

This is a 10 win - 9 win team with a good off season.

An honest assessment shows that the talent is just not there to compete at a high level in the NFL.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 09:11 PM
I wager McNabb is a top 7 QB in this league.

I'll take that bet.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 09:15 PM
YUP, another one on the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

I love my Vikes, but to think that "success" in 2011 is defined as anything other than winning more than 6 games is ludicrous.

QB - rookie or aged, broken-down veteran
RB - best in the league at running, mediocre at catching passes or blocking
WR - one weapon (I am assuming Rice is gone) in Harvin.
TE - I like Shank, but he's not top-10.
O-Line - bottom-10 in the NFL.

D-Line - 1 end, 1 tackle, the rest are stiffs
LB - a strength with EJ and Greenway, but losing Leber will hurt
CB - depth a real problem
S - Abdullah is a comer - but what else to they have?

An honest assessment shows that the talent is just not there to compete at a high level in the NFL.

=Z=

NO disrespect but your opinion in things are often way off.

QB - Why is Mcnabb broken down? He three for 300+ yards with no real Wrs last season in 14 games? Everyone wants to claim he is done because his coach, a person that has had multiple run in with players and is known to be a Grade A asshole, benched him. I wager McNabb is a top 7 QB in this league. I believe last season on a terrible Redskins team with no talent was the first time he has been out of playoff contention in along time.
he's broken because he hasn't played a full season in many years. yes, he's got talent, and I think he can play well for us, but there's no denying that he's not the player he once was. He might either play very well for us, or play poorly. We simply don't know.


RB - Ad is an above average pass catcher. He's not terrible nor is great. He puts up solid numbers for a starting RB.

WR - one weapon (I am assuming Rice is gone) in Harvin.
Good thing there isn't a time of year where teams add players from other teams in hopes to make their team better. Looks like if we lose Rice, we are just gonna sit on our hands /sarcasm
good thing we have loads of cap space to add real playmakers /sarcasm

TE - I like Shank, but he's not top-10.
How is he not Top 10. Name 10 better. Please don't go off of the Espn names. I beat you are

O-Line - bottom-10 in the NFL.
We have no depth and we suffered with injuries. This is a top 15 Oline. Downey Debbie much?[/quote]

Top 15? top 15 worst? yeah, I could see taht


D-Line - 1 end, 1 tackle, the rest are stiffs
Lol. Most teams dont even have that. We have two elite players on the DL and you are complaining. Hell both may be future hall of famers and you veiw that as a negative. Most teams only have stiffs. Most teams don't make the superbowl.


LB - a strength with EJ and Greenway, but losing Leber will hurt
I agree.

CB - depth a real problem
How the hell is depth a problem at CB. We have Win, Griffen back, Asher, and Cook. We are young at the reserve but they both have a couple of years under their belts. Good enough for the 8th top defense.
Asher has done nothing yet in 3 years, Griffen is coming off two (2, II, T.W.O) torn ACL's. Wins another year older, and we ahve yet to see Cook in action. So yes, that is a real problem


S - Abdullah is a comer - but what else to they have?
So we have 1 safety and FA is over. Nope... It's just starting. How about we see what the team is made up before we say the season is over.

This is a 10 win - 9 win team with a good off season.
Problem is, we won't have a good offseason. We dont' have the money to be players in the market for top free agents.


An honest assessment shows that the talent is just not there to compete at a high level in the NFL.
I agree with this.

Brewtal
07-27-2011, 09:25 PM
On second thaught.... F McStab, don't want him. No red carpet for your arrogant ass.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 09:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQo6zt3bWlM&feature=player_detailpage

kevoncox
07-27-2011, 09:37 PM
YUP, another one on the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

I love my Vikes, but to think that "success" in 2011 is defined as anything other than winning more than 6 games is ludicrous.

QB - rookie or aged, broken-down veteran
RB - best in the league at running, mediocre at catching passes or blocking
WR - one weapon (I am assuming Rice is gone) in Harvin.
TE - I like Shank, but he's not top-10.
O-Line - bottom-10 in the NFL.

D-Line - 1 end, 1 tackle, the rest are stiffs
LB - a strength with EJ and Greenway, but losing Leber will hurt
CB - depth a real problem
S - Abdullah is a comer - but what else to they have?

An honest assessment shows that the talent is just not there to compete at a high level in the NFL.

=Z=

NO disrespect but your opinion in things are often way off.

QB - Why is Mcnabb broken down? He three for 300+ yards with no real Wrs last season in 14 games? Everyone wants to claim he is done because his coach, a person that has had multiple run in with players and is known to be a Grade A asshole, benched him. I wager McNabb is a top 7 QB in this league. I believe last season on a terrible Redskins team with no talent was the first time he has been out of playoff contention in along time.
he's broken because he hasn't played a full season in many years. yes, he's got talent, and I think he can play well for us, but there's no denying that he's not the player he once was. He might either play very well for us, or play poorly. We simply don't know.


RB - Ad is an above average pass catcher. He's not terrible nor is great. He puts up solid numbers for a starting RB.

WR - one weapon (I am assuming Rice is gone) in Harvin.
Good thing there isn't a time of year where teams add players from other teams in hopes to make their team better. Looks like if we lose Rice, we are just gonna sit on our hands /sarcasm
good thing we have loads of cap space to add real playmakers /sarcasm

TE - I like Shank, but he's not top-10.
How is he not Top 10. Name 10 better. Please don't go off of the Espn names. I beat you are

O-Line - bottom-10 in the NFL.
We have no depth and we suffered with injuries. This is a top 15 Oline. Downey Debbie much?

Top 15? top 15 worst? yeah, I could see taht


D-Line - 1 end, 1 tackle, the rest are stiffs
Lol. Most teams dont even have that. We have two elite players on the DL and you are complaining. Hell both may be future hall of famers and you veiw that as a negative. Most teams only have stiffs. Most teams don't make the superbowl.


LB - a strength with EJ and Greenway, but losing Leber will hurt
I agree.

CB - depth a real problem
How the hell is depth a problem at CB. We have Win, Griffen back, Asher, and Cook. We are young at the reserve but they both have a couple of years under their belts. Good enough for the 8th top defense.
Asher has done nothing yet in 3 years, Griffen is coming off two (2, II, T.W.O) torn ACL's. Wins another year older, and we ahve yet to see Cook in action. So yes, that is a real problem


S - Abdullah is a comer - but what else to they have?
So we have 1 safety and FA is over. Nope... It's just starting. How about we see what the team is made up before we say the season is over.

This is a 10 win - 9 win team with a good off season.
Problem is, we won't have a good offseason. We dont' have the money to be players in the market for top free agents.


An honest assessment shows that the talent is just not there to compete at a high level in the NFL.
I agree with this.[/quote]

See you week 8 when you are cheering us on.

i_bleed_purple
07-27-2011, 10:09 PM
See you week 8 when you are cheering us on.

Don't get me wrong, I'll always cheer them on. I just don't blindly expect them to win every game and make the super bowl like some do.

slavinator
07-27-2011, 11:04 PM
Anyone remember how an old vet who came in late to camp, or wasnt sure whether he wanted to be here, worked out? Im just sayin'. If there is already this much of an issue with getting him to MN, move on boys.

Vikefan305
07-27-2011, 11:13 PM
Nice, we finally get McNabb. Now maybe Rice will stay and play with him.

kevoncox
07-27-2011, 11:14 PM
Anyone remember how an old vet who came in late to camp, or wasnt sure whether he wanted to be here, worked out? Im just sayin'. If there is already this much of an issue with getting him to MN, move on boys.
He took us 1 play from the superbowl...Damn it.. Why do Vikings fan have such short memories.

ConnecticutViking
07-27-2011, 11:23 PM
I think that our schedule may help us this year. There is not much difference between good teams and bad teams in the NfL. Most are somewhere in the middle. There is a big difference in schedule. This may move us from a 6 win team to a 9 win team? A this point in the season...we are all undefeated. But if the plan was to get McNabb, then why the hell did we reach for Ponder? We could have addressed other positions.

Purple Floyd
07-27-2011, 11:25 PM
Anyone remember how an old vet who came in late to camp, or wasnt sure whether he wanted to be here, worked out? Im just sayin'. If there is already this much of an issue with getting him to MN, move on boys.
He took us 1 play from the superbowl...Damn it.. Why do Vikings fan have such short memories.

Do you mean Tark, Wilson, Cunningham or Brett?

kevoncox
07-27-2011, 11:25 PM
See you week 8 when you are cheering us on.

Don't get me wrong, I'll always cheer them on. I just don't blindly expect them to win every game and make the super bowl like some do.

Why is it blindly?
We have a defense that is capable of being a top 5 unit and was top 8 including a terrible offense that couldn't keep them off the field.
Our offense with basically the same players minus Farve was a top 2 offense.

Funny how 1 year can make some fans go from Superbowl bound to aww shucks.

Same RB but is now a better run blocker.
Same WR corps but the young guys have gotten more experience
Rudolph and Shank is better than Shank and Dugan
Oline is older but is also healthier for the first time in years
Williams wall has been broken up and Edwards is gone. Some of you all feel he is easily replaced.

LB corps is largely unchanged.
We have are better at CB than we were before.

We found a good safety last season. Something we didn't have in 2009
Minus the Williams Wall( remind you that phat Pat has been rotating all year) we are largely the same team, which is Good news in some areas and a light decline in others.

We now add a Mcnabb who is younger than Farve was and isn't coming off shoulder surgery to the mix and I don't see why this team isn't posed to make noise. I think the Pack are a good team but, I feel they and the Saints are our only real competition in the NFC.

Bucs, Eagles, Falcons, exactly, Giants where we are. They all have major issues.

G-Men - No WRs, No Rbs, No TE, No LBS, And a DL holding out.
Eagles - Hold out WR, Shoddy Oline, Shoddy Dline, No LBs, No Safties
Falcons - Offense... no defense at all
Bucs - Questionable Offense - Solid but not spectacular Defense, CB legal issues.

kevoncox
07-27-2011, 11:26 PM
Anyone remember how an old vet who came in late to camp, or wasnt sure whether he wanted to be here, worked out? Im just sayin'. If there is already this much of an issue with getting him to MN, move on boys.
He took us 1 play from the superbowl...Damn it.. Why do Vikings fan have such short memories.

Do you mean Tark, Wilson, Cunningham or Brett?

Brett!

singersp
07-27-2011, 11:51 PM
I think that our schedule may help us this year. There is not much difference between good teams and bad teams in the NfL. Most are somewhere in the middle. There is a big difference in schedule. This may move us from a 6 win team to a 9 win team? A this point in the season...we are all undefeated. But if the plan was to get McNabb, then why the hell did we reach for Ponder? We could have addressed other positions.


The plan wasn't to get McNabb. Childress may be gone, but his stink is still here.

The Childress Residual Effect (CRE) somehow still influenced the brain trust to pursue yet one more ex-Eagles castaway.

singersp
07-27-2011, 11:54 PM
]Seattle outbid us for Housh that one year...thank God! ;)[/b]

As far as Rice is concerned, that hip surgery may still be a concern. Got to wonder why we've only heard of 2 teams wanting his services so far...both of which have coaches who've had contact with him somewhat recently!? ;)

As for McNabb, we definitely wasn't my first choice, but the Skins don't exactly have the best WR core nor OL, nor a RB like Peterson. Perhaps the McNabb can be better than expected here. The only two years he's ever had worse than half his TDs in INTs were his rookie year and last year. He's been averaging over 7.5 yards a completion and 4 yards a carry for 7 years with about a 60% completion rate. Not Bad.

And, he's never had a true, workhorse RB like Peterson! With Harvin, our TE trio and slew of somebody-is-goona-stepup WRs, we just might surprise folks! Maybe? Ponder has more time than expected to "get hungry" on the sidelines!?!??

SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SOOOOOOOO GLAD FOOTBALL IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Burleson. That contract still makes me laugh my ass off. I guess taking that into consideration makes the Jackson and Bevell signings easier to understand.

I thought Housh went there because we had a garbage QB, not because of the money?

He went there because they had a nicer training facility, next to a lake.

singersp
07-27-2011, 11:58 PM
Three and out: Not sold on McNabb

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/07/27/three-and-out-not-sold-on-mcnabb/

Purple Floyd
07-28-2011, 12:16 AM
See you week 8 when you are cheering us on.

Don't get me wrong, I'll always cheer them on. I just don't blindly expect them to win every game and make the super bowl like some do.

Why is it blindly?
We have a defense that is capable of being a top 5 unit and was top 8 including a terrible offense that couldn't keep them off the field.
Our offense with basically the same players minus Farve was a top 2 offense.

Funny how 1 year can make some fans go from Superbowl bound to aww shucks.

Same RB but is now a better run blocker.
Same WR corps but the young guys have gotten more experience
Rudolph and Shank is better than Shank and Dugan
Oline is older but is also healthier for the first time in years
Williams wall has been broken up and Edwards is gone. Some of you all feel he is easily replaced.

LB corps is largely unchanged.
We have are better at CB than we were before.

We found a good safety last season. Something we didn't have in 2009
Minus the Williams Wall( remind you that phat Pat has been rotating all year) we are largely the same team, which is Good news in some areas and a light decline in others.

We now add a Mcnabb who is younger than Farve was and isn't coming off shoulder surgery to the mix and I don't see why this team isn't posed to make noise. I think the Pack are a good team but, I feel they and the Saints are our only real competition in the NFC.

Bucs, Eagles, Falcons, exactly, Giants where we are. They all have major issues.

G-Men - No WRs, No Rbs, No TE, No LBS, And a DL holding out.
Eagles - Hold out WR, Shoddy Oline, Shoddy Dline, No LBs, No Safties
Falcons - Offense... no defense at all
Bucs - Questionable Offense - Solid but not spectacular Defense, CB legal issues.

isnt the williams wall suspended for the first four games of the season? if so we just released kennedy so who is going to fill their shoes?

i_bleed_purple
07-28-2011, 12:39 AM
isnt the williams wall suspended for the first four games of the season? if so we just released kennedy so who is going to fill their shoes?

In the words of a great football coach: "We have Hank Baskett"

kevoncox
07-28-2011, 12:50 AM
See you week 8 when you are cheering us on.

Don't get me wrong, I'll always cheer them on. I just don't blindly expect them to win every game and make the super bowl like some do.

Why is it blindly?
We have a defense that is capable of being a top 5 unit and was top 8 including a terrible offense that couldn't keep them off the field.
Our offense with basically the same players minus Farve was a top 2 offense.

Funny how 1 year can make some fans go from Superbowl bound to aww shucks.

Same RB but is now a better run blocker.
Same WR corps but the young guys have gotten more experience
Rudolph and Shank is better than Shank and Dugan
Oline is older but is also healthier for the first time in years
Williams wall has been broken up and Edwards is gone. Some of you all feel he is easily replaced.

LB corps is largely unchanged.
We have are better at CB than we were before.

We found a good safety last season. Something we didn't have in 2009
Minus the Williams Wall( remind you that phat Pat has been rotating all year) we are largely the same team, which is Good news in some areas and a light decline in others.

We now add a Mcnabb who is younger than Farve was and isn't coming off shoulder surgery to the mix and I don't see why this team isn't posed to make noise. I think the Pack are a good team but, I feel they and the Saints are our only real competition in the NFC.

Bucs, Eagles, Falcons, exactly, Giants where we are. They all have major issues.

G-Men - No WRs, No Rbs, No TE, No LBS, And a DL holding out.
Eagles - Hold out WR, Shoddy Oline, Shoddy Dline, No LBs, No Safties
Falcons - Offense... no defense at all
Bucs - Questionable Offense - Solid but not spectacular Defense, CB legal issues.

isnt the williams wall suspended for the first four games of the season? if so we just released kennedy so who is going to fill their shoes?

Damn and to think Free Agency is over, our rosters are finalized and the league has announced that they will be suspended.....

Whattttttttttttttttttttt?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

kevoncox
07-28-2011, 12:54 AM
Who hear scares you running the ball?

Sun 9/11 San Diego Chargers at San Diego 4:15 pm
Sun 9/18 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tampa Bay 1:00 pm
Sun 9/25 Detroit Lions Detroit 1:00 pm
Sun 10/2 Kansas City Chiefs at Kansas City 1:00 pm

The Chiefs with Charles but most of his yards are against the AFC and they are all allergic to stopping the run. The whole division breaks out in hives when a tackle for a loss is recorded. Stop crying the season is over. Why watch if you don't think we can make it to a superbowl? You might as well skip the season.

We are a 8-10 win team man! Quote me on that!

Purple Floyd
07-28-2011, 02:57 AM
Who hear scares you running the ball?

Sun 9/11 San Diego Chargers at San Diego 4:15 pm
Sun 9/18 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tampa Bay 1:00 pm
Sun 9/25 Detroit Lions Detroit 1:00 pm
Sun 10/2 Kansas City Chiefs at Kansas City 1:00 pm

The Chiefs with Charles but most of his yards are against the AFC and they are all allergic to stopping the run. The whole division breaks out in hives when a tackle for a loss is recorded. Stop crying the season is over. Why watch if you don't think we can make it to a superbowl? You might as well skip the season.

We are a 8-10 win team man! Quote me on that!

You need to lay off the peyote.:P

We couldn't stop the run for half of last season and now we lose both Williams in the interior and Kennedy was released.

Who are we going to have stop the run and put pressure on Rodgers, Stafford, Cutler and the other QB's we are going to face? I can sure as heck tell you we are not going to win in a shootout.

PAvikesfan
07-28-2011, 03:30 AM
At this point, McNabb is ok by me. We got him with 6th round picks. That's a steal. We had to add someone cause there is no way Ponder will be ready to start by week one. We are just biding our time with McNabb until Ponder is ready to go. Besides, McNabb was a very successful QB only two seasons ago.

Also, history may just repeat itself. Meaning, there has been a decent list of supposedly fading QB's that have had really good seasons with the vikes at the end of their careers. Remember Cunningham for a season, of course Favre for a season, Warren Moon did very well, Tarkenton came back to do very well, even McMahon had a decent season... all at the end of their careers. what if... really, what if McNabb does the same for a season and has an awesome year? Wouldn't that be something? There is no reason to doubt it. I mean we had zero expectations for Cunningham. And at the very least, this will give Ponder some time to develop. I figure this is a win, win situation.

TheAnimal93
07-28-2011, 03:40 AM
As for me, I cant stand McNabb. He is way overhyped and I have never been impressed by his play. The role players have padded his stats over the years. I'd rather take my chances with the rookie

Purple Floyd
07-28-2011, 03:44 AM
At this point, McNabb is ok by me. We got him with 6th round picks. That's a steal. We had to add someone cause there is no way Ponder will be ready to start by week one. We are just biding our time with McNabb until Ponder is ready to go. Besides, McNabb was a very successful QB only two seasons ago.

Also, history may just repeat itself. Meaning, there has been a decent list of supposedly fading QB's that have had really good seasons with the vikes at the end of their careers. Remember Cunningham for a season, of course Favre for a season, Warren Moon did very well, Tarkenton came back to do very well, even McMahon had a decent season... all at the end of their careers. what if... really, what if McNabb does the same for a season and has an awesome year? Wouldn't that be something? There is no reason to doubt it. I mean we had zero expectations for Cunningham. And at the very least, this will give Ponder some time to develop. I figure this is a win, win situation.

So how many of those guys led us to a SB in their twilight?

I am a bit tired of OK teams that peak with a short playoff run once a decade.

singersp
07-28-2011, 03:45 AM
At this point, McNabb is ok by me. We got him with 6th round picks. That's a steal. We had to add someone cause there is no way Ponder will be ready to start by week one. We are just biding our time with McNabb until Ponder is ready to go. Besides, McNabb was a very successful QB only two seasons ago.

Also, history may just repeat itself. Meaning, there has been a decent list of supposedly fading QB's that have had really good seasons with the vikes at the end of their careers. Remember Cunningham for a season, of course Favre for a season, Warren Moon did very well, Tarkenton came back to do very well, even McMahon had a decent season... all at the end of their careers. what if... really, what if McNabb does the same for a season and has an awesome year? Wouldn't that be something? There is no reason to doubt it. I mean we had zero expectations for Cunningham. And at the very least, this will give Ponder some time to develop. I figure this is a win, win situation.

So what you're basically saying is get ready for another disappointing end of a season with no Lombardi trophy.

The definition of "insanity" is doing the same thing over & over again, expecting a different result.

Purple Floyd
07-28-2011, 03:48 AM
At this point, McNabb is ok by me. We got him with 6th round picks. That's a steal. We had to add someone cause there is no way Ponder will be ready to start by week one. We are just biding our time with McNabb until Ponder is ready to go. Besides, McNabb was a very successful QB only two seasons ago.

Also, history may just repeat itself. Meaning, there has been a decent list of supposedly fading QB's that have had really good seasons with the vikes at the end of their careers. Remember Cunningham for a season, of course Favre for a season, Warren Moon did very well, Tarkenton came back to do very well, even McMahon had a decent season... all at the end of their careers. what if... really, what if McNabb does the same for a season and has an awesome year? Wouldn't that be something? There is no reason to doubt it. I mean we had zero expectations for Cunningham. And at the very least, this will give Ponder some time to develop. I figure this is a win, win situation.

So what you're basically saying is get ready for another disappointing end of a season with no Lombardi trophy.

The definition of "insanity" is doing the same thing over & over again, expecting a different result.

That seems to be a popular expectation.

singersp
07-28-2011, 03:57 AM
At this point, McNabb is ok by me. We got him with 6th round picks. That's a steal. We had to add someone cause there is no way Ponder will be ready to start by week one. We are just biding our time with McNabb until Ponder is ready to go. Besides, McNabb was a very successful QB only two seasons ago.

Also, history may just repeat itself. Meaning, there has been a decent list of supposedly fading QB's that have had really good seasons with the vikes at the end of their careers. Remember Cunningham for a season, of course Favre for a season, Warren Moon did very well, Tarkenton came back to do very well, even McMahon had a decent season... all at the end of their careers. what if... really, what if McNabb does the same for a season and has an awesome year? Wouldn't that be something? There is no reason to doubt it. I mean we had zero expectations for Cunningham. And at the very least, this will give Ponder some time to develop. I figure this is a win, win situation.

So what you're basically saying is get ready for another disappointing end of a season with no Lombardi trophy.

The definition of "insanity" is doing the same thing over & over again, expecting a different result.

That seems to be a popular expectation.

Not so much an expectation. More like Pavlov's theory playing out once again.

gamecocksbaseball31
07-28-2011, 04:00 AM
Is hate too strong of a word?


Has any team been sad to see him go?


Doesn't that tell you something?


I hope they sign TO as a WR

Will you be calling him McNoodle and start developing psychotic theories as the season progresses?

How do the Bengals look to you this season?
I'm still watching from afar my friend....

Couple of thoughts (psychotic theries).....

a. Atleast we went out and got someone who might be able to win for a few years if needed unlike a certain old ass that couldn't do shit unless the WR's carried him (ala 09 vs 10).

b. The deal seems to be cheap. A sixth in 12 and a sixth in 13 (still fuzzy on that). So they aren't giving to much for him so that it still makes sense to sit him if Ponder shows progress earlier than most expect.

c. Deal is contingent on him restructuring, taking alot less than he wants so that it will be easy to elevate Ponder ahead of him. (Instead of paying him 16 Mil and 20 Mil for squat).

d. He is familiar with the offense. Hey isn't that the same tune for the offense he wanted to come run for the Chiller? Maybe some yutz is correct and there isn't going to be a big change in the scheme that most on here crave. LOL:P

e. He can't be lumped into the EX Iggle syndrome that the Chiller seemed to go after all the time cause the Chiller is gone and he was actually a Deadskin for a year right? (I hope I see someone saying that in the rest of the thread.

In short, I can live with this move. Lets see how it pans out. In the end, if it doesn't, then maybe he will be able to "Mentor" Ponder from the bench. :laugh:
:dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: WOW.

gamecocksbaseball31
07-28-2011, 04:07 AM
No, let them develop on the field. Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Big Ben, Manning, Brees,Eli all started right away. Sitting in the bench is no benefit to a young QB. Just let the guy you drafted play it out and be done with it. Fix that OL so he can stay healthy and start the transition.
Aaron Rodgers... Ever heard of him?

Purple Floyd
07-28-2011, 04:12 AM
No, let them develop on the field. Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Big Ben, Manning, Brees,Eli all started right away. Sitting in the bench is no benefit to a young QB. Just let the guy you drafted play it out and be done with it. Fix that OL so he can stay healthy and start the transition.
Aaron Rodgers... Ever heard of him?

There is nothing saying he would have failed if he had played his first year. Actually the Packers might have won 2 SB's in the past decade if he had started earlier.

gamecocksbaseball31
07-28-2011, 04:18 AM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.
The Jets, Steelers, and Patriots are light years ahead of us right now. Besides All-Day, Kevin Williams, and Winfield (maybe a healthy EJ), none of our players compete. Don't be naive.

gamecocksbaseball31
07-28-2011, 04:27 AM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

Jets - Are starting an average QB, Average RB, 1 Wrs and Te. Average DL, Good Lbs and A mix and match secondary. As a team, they aren't light years ahead of us.

Steelers - A good QB, Good run game, Decent WR, Average TE, Old DL, Mix and match LB corps. Good Dbs. Again, where is the amazing team team of unbelievable talent?

Pats - Elite QB, below average run game, below average WRs, Mix and match OL, Mix and match DL, LBs, and Dbs.

Vikings - Good QB in McNabb (write it down)
Elite run game, Mix bag of WRs, Average OL, Above average DL, Above Average LB corps, Solid DBs. Our team is going places and the biggest Questions marks are WR and OL. Addign almost anyone with talent at the safety positions will improve this team.

You guys are drinking the same toilet bowl of shit the broadcasters drink. This team is playoff bound. We just need time time gel.
YUP, another one on the "I have a clue" spreadsheet.

Fricken amazing how the tides shift on this site my friend.

Funny that you mentioned shit broadcasters. Most of those yutzs even know how good the Vikings are and how good a fit the Dnabb thing is especially considering that we have Ponder on the bench.

One thing they keep saying though, is, that they really need Rice back. That I agree with as well.

I look at it this way. To be a legitimate championship team, you need to be a top-4 team in the league.

I truly do not believe we are a top-4 team. top-10 is a stretch.

Do we have the talent to beat anybody? Sure.

tere are upsets all the time. Can we consistently beat good teams? That's the issue.At this time last year were the Packers a top 4 team?
Things change very quickly in the NFL. 1st to last and last to first is the norm not the exception.
If McNabb has even an average year he is going to have 10more TD and 10 fewer turnovers than Favre had in 2010. That could easily translate to 4 more wins and a playoff birth. Once in the playoffs every team has a chance.
Many people were picking GB to win it all at the beginning of the year last year... So an easy answer to your question --> Yes.

vikinggreg
07-28-2011, 04:45 AM
At this point, McNabb is ok by me. We got him with 6th round picks. That's a steal. We had to add someone cause there is no way Ponder will be ready to start by week one. We are just biding our time with McNabb until Ponder is ready to go. Besides, McNabb was a very successful QB only two seasons ago.

Also, history may just repeat itself. Meaning, there has been a decent list of supposedly fading QB's that have had really good seasons with the vikes at the end of their careers. Remember Cunningham for a season, of course Favre for a season, Warren Moon did very well, Tarkenton came back to do very well, even McMahon had a decent season... all at the end of their careers. what if... really, what if McNabb does the same for a season and has an awesome year? Wouldn't that be something? There is no reason to doubt it. I mean we had zero expectations for Cunningham. And at the very least, this will give Ponder some time to develop. I figure this is a win, win situation.

So what you're basically saying is get ready for another disappointing end of a season with no Lombardi trophy.

The definition of "insanity" is doing the same thing over & over again, expecting a different result.

That seems to be a popular expectation.

Not so much an expectation. More like Pavlov's theory playing out once again.

Pavlov's theory?? I thought he proved his study in condtional reflex studies.

As for the old QB to get you to a SB Dilfer, Johnson, Punkett, Doug Williams, Kurt Warner

As for insanity, yes I'm a Vikings fan B)

singersp
07-28-2011, 04:57 AM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

No need to read beyond that line. Top 10 and ready to contend for a SB? Are you FKM?

We are far from ready to contend. Do you remember last season at all? And we at least had Rice for half of that season.

New head coach & OC.

One fourth of our entire season will be without the services of Pat & Kevin Williams and they released a viable backup in Kennedy, not to mention Edwards is as good as gone too.

We have yet to see what McNabb can do. He certainly didn't take the Redskins far.

I have little faith that our OL will be able to protect him or Ponder if they continue with the current blocking scheme.

Outside of Harvin, we aren't exactly talented at the WR position.

We still have AD, but you can only pound the ball so much & teams will continue to stack the box which will mean our TE's will have a tough time finding a spot & getting open.

marstc09
07-28-2011, 05:05 AM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

No need to read beyond that line. Top 10 and ready to contend for a SB? Are you FKM?

We are far from ready to contend. Do you remember last season at all? And we at least had Rice for half of that season.

New head coach & OC.

One fourth of our entire season will be without the services of Pat & Kevin Williams and they released a viable backup in Kennedy, not to mention Edwards is as good as gone too.

We have yet to see what McNabb can do. He certainly didn't take the Redskins far.

I have little faith that our OL will be able to protect him or Ponder if they continue with the current blocking scheme.

Outside of Harvin, we aren't exactly talented at the WR position.

We still have AD, but you can only pound the ball so much & teams will continue to stack the box which will mean our TE's will have a tough time finding a spot & getting open.

Please explain to me what talent the Redskins had?

i_bleed_purple
07-28-2011, 05:07 AM
I don't understand people that say this team is not Superbowl Ready. Like teams that make the Superbowl are these amazing teams. We are in the top 10 of teams in the league and we are ready to contend.

No need to read beyond that line. Top 10 and ready to contend for a SB? Are you FKM?

We are far from ready to contend. Do you remember last season at all? And we at least had Rice for half of that season.

New head coach & OC.

One fourth of our entire season will be without the services of Pat & Kevin Williams and they released a viable backup in Kennedy, not to mention Edwards is as good as gone too.

We have yet to see what McNabb can do. He certainly didn't take the Redskins far.

I have little faith that our OL will be able to protect him or Ponder if they continue with the current blocking scheme.

Outside of Harvin, we aren't exactly talented at the WR position.

We still have AD, but you can only pound the ball so much & teams will continue to stack the box which will mean our TE's will have a tough time finding a spot & getting open.

Please explain to me what talent the Redskins had?

Santana Moss.





































That is all

singersp
07-28-2011, 05:14 AM
At this point, McNabb is ok by me. We got him with 6th round picks. That's a steal. We had to add someone cause there is no way Ponder will be ready to start by week one. We are just biding our time with McNabb until Ponder is ready to go. Besides, McNabb was a very successful QB only two seasons ago.

Also, history may just repeat itself. Meaning, there has been a decent list of supposedly fading QB's that have had really good seasons with the vikes at the end of their careers. Remember Cunningham for a season, of course Favre for a season, Warren Moon did very well, Tarkenton came back to do very well, even McMahon had a decent season... all at the end of their careers. what if... really, what if McNabb does the same for a season and has an awesome year? Wouldn't that be something? There is no reason to doubt it. I mean we had zero expectations for Cunningham. And at the very least, this will give Ponder some time to develop. I figure this is a win, win situation.

So what you're basically saying is get ready for another disappointing end of a season with no Lombardi trophy.

The definition of "insanity" is doing the same thing over & over again, expecting a different result.

That seems to be a popular expectation.

Not so much an expectation. More like Pavlov's theory playing out once again.

Pavlov's theory?? I thought he proved his study in condtional reflex studies.

As for the old QB to get you to a SB Dilfer, Johnson, Punkett, Doug Williams, Kurt Warner

As for insanity, yes I'm a Vikings fan B)

That is correct about Pavlov. When a bell was rung, the dog immediately salivated.

When I hear they are going to start an aging veteran QB under center, just as they have done for much of the past 18 years, I immediately fear another disappointing end of the season.

marstc09
07-28-2011, 05:36 AM
I can't wait to watch Marrdro squirm on this one. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Why? Go back an look. Before we got stuck wasting 2 years on your Noodle experiment, that got us NO SUPERBOWLS, by the by, I wanted Dnabb.

After watching him muck about at the skins last year I didn't.

The staff obviously looked to Orton first (better option) but the asking price is/was to high so they went with the next best option.

By the way, if Orton was to high Kolb was to high as well. He, IMHO was the best one available (yes I now Singer he isn't available he is under contract with the Iggles but so is Orton (and the Vikes went there first) and Dnabb).

Wouldn't have minded seeing Bulger as I think he better suits the scheme that Atlanta runs, which again, brings me back to my analysis that the scheme isn't really changing into what Atlanta runs but rather what the Vikes ran pre-noodle. Again, I use the stats I provided from when Musgrove failed as a O-coord before. He and the Chiller ran/run the same offense.

IMHO, thats not a bad thing as long as they are only doing it cause the predominance of the team is geared to run it and evolve from it as quick as possible.

Still spewing the same crap I see.

Favre did not need to win SHIT to give me the best year as a Viking fan. I win. You lose. Seems like a great deal to me!

midgensa
07-28-2011, 05:55 AM
No, let them develop on the field. Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Big Ben, Manning, Brees,Eli all started right away. Sitting in the bench is no benefit to a young QB. Just let the guy you drafted play it out and be done with it. Fix that OL so he can stay healthy and start the transition.
Aaron Rodgers... Ever heard of him?

And Bress, Eli and Big Ben did not start right away.

Marrdro
07-28-2011, 11:13 AM
dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: WOW.
I know, I know. Only way to stop me is to quit talking about him. :laugh:

i_bleed_purple
07-28-2011, 01:32 PM
dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: WOW.
I know, I know. Only way to stop me is to quit talking about him. :laugh:.


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Purple Floyd
07-28-2011, 01:49 PM
dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: WOW.
I know, I know. Only way to stop me is to quit talking about him. :laugh:.


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Would you mind repeating the part about the stuff....

i_bleed_purple
07-28-2011, 01:54 PM
dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: WOW.
I know, I know. Only way to stop me is to quit talking about him. :laugh:.


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Would you mind repeating the part about the stuff....

which part?

rednorsk
07-28-2011, 03:14 PM
McNabb has been a very good QB, but can he survive behind the extremely poor OL?

slavinator
07-28-2011, 04:57 PM
Anyone remember how an old vet who came in late to camp, or wasnt sure whether he wanted to be here, worked out? Im just sayin'. If there is already this much of an issue with getting him to MN, move on boys.
He took us 1 play from the superbowl...Damn it.. Why do Vikings fan have such short memories.

My memory is crystal clear.

Im not talking about '09. In '09 he wanted to be here to prove something to people. And what an unexpected year it was. In 2010 he really didnt want to play, we threw more money at him to get him, sent players begging him to return, all the while we all knew there was no way to duplicate what he did in '09. It also seemed based on early reports that McNabb was asking for similar red carpet treatment.

If Donovan comes in with some fire in his belly and a desire to prove everyone that he is STILL a great QB, AWESOME! I would love it! I just hope that is the case.

BloodyHorns82
07-28-2011, 05:17 PM
With or without McNabb we're not winning a Super Bowl this year. Having some time to develop isn't going to hurt Ponder one bit. I'm for #5 to the Vikings.

mamaluke
07-29-2011, 06:05 AM
Personally I can't stand McNabb. I think he is dumber than a can of paint and what has he ever proven except he can be decent during the season but then puke/choke in the playoffs. This move is atypical of this franchise which is why we have never won a superbowl. Rice had the right idea bolting for Seattle because he could see the writing on the wall if he would have stayed here. It will be tough to watch McNabb making a fool of himself and I only hope that Ponder gets to start sooner than later even though he might take his lumps. Ponder doesn't need McNabb as a mentor. I guarantee you that no team McNabb is quarterbacking for will ever win a superbowl. 4th place in the division is a distinct possibility so get ready all!!!!

i_bleed_purple
07-29-2011, 06:12 AM
Personally I can't stand McNabb. I think he is dumber than a can of paint and what has he ever proven except he can be decent during the season but then puke/choke in the playoffs. This move is atypical of this franchise which is why we have never won a superbowl. Rice had the right idea bolting for Seattle because he could see the writing on the wall if he would have stayed here. It will be tough to watch McNabb making a fool of himself and I only hope that Ponder gets to start sooner than later even though he might take his lumps. Ponder doesn't need McNabb as a mentor. I guarantee you that no team McNabb is quarterbacking for will ever win a superbowl. 4th place in the division is a distinct possibility so get ready all!!!!

LMAO!!! Rice bolted to Seattle because we signed a guy who chokes in the playoffs.... remind me again, how did TJ fare his last go?

NodakPaul
07-29-2011, 01:42 PM
Personally I can't stand McNabb. I think he is dumber than a can of paint and what has he ever proven except he can be decent during the season but then puke/choke in the playoffs. This move is atypical of this franchise which is why we have never won a superbowl. Rice had the right idea bolting for Seattle because he could see the writing on the wall if he would have stayed here. It will be tough to watch McNabb making a fool of himself and I only hope that Ponder gets to start sooner than later even though he might take his lumps. Ponder doesn't need McNabb as a mentor. I guarantee you that no team McNabb is quarterbacking for will ever win a superbowl. 4th place in the division is a distinct possibility so get ready all!!!!

sigh.

I am pretty sure I can just go back a few years and quote one of my responses about starting TJack too early...

Bottom line - starting a QB before he is ready can lead to a breakdown in procedure (such as throwing motion) and bad compensatory habits (jump throw, running before surveying the whole field, etc). Ponder is (IMHO) much closer to being ready than TJack every was, and honestly I think he is closer than any other rookie QB, but he still isn't there yet. And with an abbreviated offseason, he simply didn't have the chance to get ready.

Starting Ponder this year would have been a costly mistake.

He doesn't need McNabb to "mentor" him. But he does need time on the bench to absorb the speed of the game, feel out defensive formations, practice anticipating the defense without paying dearly for mistakes, etc.

Riding the bench longer than necessary will rarely hurt a player, but starting them too early often does.

Marrdro
07-29-2011, 02:06 PM
Personally I can't stand McNabb. I think he is dumber than a can of paint and what has he ever proven except he can be decent during the season but then puke/choke in the playoffs. This move is atypical of this franchise which is why we have never won a superbowl. Rice had the right idea bolting for Seattle because he could see the writing on the wall if he would have stayed here. It will be tough to watch McNabb making a fool of himself and I only hope that Ponder gets to start sooner than later even though he might take his lumps. Ponder doesn't need McNabb as a mentor. I guarantee you that no team McNabb is quarterbacking for will ever win a superbowl. 4th place in the division is a distinct possibility so get ready all!!!!

sigh.

I am pretty sure I can just go back a few years and quote one of my responses about starting TJack too early...

Bottom line - starting a QB before he is ready can lead to a breakdown in procedure (such as throwing motion) and bad compensatory habits (jump throw, running before surveying the whole field, etc). Ponder is (IMHO) much closer to being ready than TJack every was, and honestly I think he is closer than any other rookie QB, but he still isn't there yet. And with an abbreviated offseason, he simply didn't have the chance to get ready.

Starting Ponder this year would have been a costly mistake.

He doesn't need McNabb to "mentor" him. But he does need time on the bench to absorb the speed of the game, feel out defensive formations, practice anticipating the defense without paying dearly for mistakes, etc.

Riding the bench longer than necessary will rarely hurt a player, but starting them too early often does.
When was the last time that I mentioned that NP was the smartest cat on this site?

Hey my friend, do you think he will go before the year is out?

I would like to see him sit all year but think he has the mental makeup to tough it out if he does have to get out there to early.

Freya
07-29-2011, 03:36 PM
Freya not happy.........but he did look pretty good in 2004. :P

NodakPaul
07-29-2011, 03:38 PM
When was the last time that I mentioned that NP was the smartest cat on this site?

Hey my friend, do you think he will go before the year is out?

I would like to see him sit all year but think he has the mental makeup to tough it out if he does have to get out there to early.

Your view of me is highly overrated, but thanks. ;)

Honestly, I would like to see Ponder sit all year. I agree, I think he CAN succeed if he comes in, but I don't see the benefit in it. The only situation (baring injury) in which Ponder will come in is if McNabb is failing. And that means that our season will already be in jeopardy, and Ponder will have little chance to save it. In fact, being a rookie and leading a team that is facing a losing season is hard to do and could have a negative effect.

I would rather stick with McNabb for the entire season, take what comes with it, and launch the Ponder era in 2012.

Caine
07-29-2011, 03:44 PM
When was the last time that I mentioned that NP was the smartest cat on this site?

Hey my friend, do you think he will go before the year is out?

I would like to see him sit all year but think he has the mental makeup to tough it out if he does have to get out there to early.

Your view of me is highly overrated, but thanks. ;)

Honestly, I would like to see Ponder sit all year. I agree, I think he CAN succeed if he comes in, but I don't see the benefit in it. The only situation (baring injury) in which Ponder will come in is if McNabb is failing. And that means that our season will already be in jeopardy, and Ponder will have little chance to save it. In fact, being a rookie and leading a team that is facing a losing season is hard to do and could have a negative effect.

I would rather stick with McNabb for the entire season, take what comes with it, and launch the Ponder era in 2012.

I'll go one better... I say stick with McNabb until he gives you a reason not to. If that's 1 year, fine. 2 years, fine. 3 years, fine. That gives Ponder more time to learn the offense, see the action, and get used to what's coming.

If McNabb starts coming apart at teh seams in week 6, make your move then.

My point is, let the kid develop while we can. There is NOTHING gained by putting him in too soon, and nothing gained by benching a proven QB prematurely.

Caine

i_bleed_purple
07-29-2011, 03:48 PM
When was the last time that I mentioned that NP was the smartest cat on this site?

Hey my friend, do you think he will go before the year is out?

I would like to see him sit all year but think he has the mental makeup to tough it out if he does have to get out there to early.

Your view of me is highly overrated, but thanks. ;)

Honestly, I would like to see Ponder sit all year. I agree, I think he CAN succeed if he comes in, but I don't see the benefit in it. The only situation (baring injury) in which Ponder will come in is if McNabb is failing. And that means that our season will already be in jeopardy, and Ponder will have little chance to save it. In fact, being a rookie and leading a team that is facing a losing season is hard to do and could have a negative effect.

I would rather stick with McNabb for the entire season, take what comes with it, and launch the Ponder era in 2012.

I'll go one better... I say stick with McNabb until he gives you a reason not to. If that's 1 year, fine. 2 years, fine. 3 years, fine. That gives Ponder more time to learn the offense, see the action, and get used to what's coming.

If McNabb starts coming apart at teh seams in week 6, make your move then.

My point is, let the kid develop while we can. There is NOTHING gained by putting him in too soon, and nothing gained by benching a proven QB prematurely.

Caine

Agree 100%. If McNabb plays lights out this season, no reason to bench him next season for Ponder unless he gives us a reason.

If he struggles, finish the season if we can, then go to Brother Christian.

Freya
07-29-2011, 03:48 PM
Personally I can't stand McNabb. I think he is dumber than a can of paint and what has he ever proven except he can be decent during the season but then puke/choke in the playoffs. This move is atypical of this franchise which is why we have never won a superbowl. Rice had the right idea bolting for Seattle because he could see the writing on the wall if he would have stayed here. It will be tough to watch McNabb making a fool of himself and I only hope that Ponder gets to start sooner than later even though he might take his lumps. Ponder doesn't need McNabb as a mentor. I guarantee you that no team McNabb is quarterbacking for will ever win a superbowl. 4th place in the division is a distinct possibility so get ready all!!!!

sigh.

I am pretty sure I can just go back a few years and quote one of my responses about starting TJack too early...

Bottom line - starting a QB before he is ready can lead to a breakdown in procedure (such as throwing motion) and bad compensatory habits (jump throw, running before surveying the whole field, etc). Ponder is (IMHO) much closer to being ready than TJack every was, and honestly I think he is closer than any other rookie QB, but he still isn't there yet. And with an abbreviated offseason, he simply didn't have the chance to get ready.

Starting Ponder this year would have been a costly mistake.

He doesn't need McNabb to "mentor" him. But he does need time on the bench to absorb the speed of the game, feel out defensive formations, practice anticipating the defense without paying dearly for mistakes, etc.

Riding the bench longer than necessary will rarely hurt a player, but starting them too early often does.

Dear NP.........I have to disagree with you about TJack's problems being entirely due to the fact that he was started to early. I felt (and still do) that TJack was mishandled by the coaches from the start and consider that to be a greater issue in the situation than playing too soon. That, and the weak personality of TJack created a problem that was impossible to overcome. I just hope that the coaches do not try to ruin Ponder as well.

Marrdro
07-29-2011, 03:51 PM
When was the last time that I mentioned that NP was the smartest cat on this site?

Hey my friend, do you think he will go before the year is out?

I would like to see him sit all year but think he has the mental makeup to tough it out if he does have to get out there to early.

Your view of me is highly overrated, but thanks. ;)

Honestly, I would like to see Ponder sit all year. I agree, I think he CAN succeed if he comes in, but I don't see the benefit in it. The only situation (baring injury) in which Ponder will come in is if McNabb is failing. And that means that our season will already be in jeopardy, and Ponder will have little chance to save it. In fact, being a rookie and leading a team that is facing a losing season is hard to do and could have a negative effect. I would rather stick with McNabb for the entire season, take what comes with it, and launch the Ponder era in 2012.
Good stuff, as always....One comment....

It could also be revealing. I just can't help but think that if its gonna bother in in that situation it will bother him later as well.

On a side note, I do not thing anything can bother this kid. The article about him actually changing his throwing motion cause of his injury, and still being effective really rang true for me, especially considering what Tebow is going through to change his.

Marrdro
07-29-2011, 03:54 PM
Freya not happy.........but he did look pretty good in 2004. :P
WOWSERS.....How is the smartest football chick in the world?

i_bleed_purple
07-29-2011, 03:59 PM
The article about him actually changing his throwing motion cause of his injury, and still being effective really rang true for me, especially considering what Tebow is going through to change his.

Looks great on paper, but I have my concerns.

Changing your throwing motion changes the dynamics of the ball in flight. Spin, arc, speed, etc. Watching Ponder replays, he does seem to float alot of passes in, and while that can work in the NCAA, the corners are too good in the NFL. Lofty passes will get picked off. That's why the missed Mini camps and OTAs will really put him behind. Fixing his throwing motion to what the NFL commands shouldn't be a huge thing for him, but it will take a bit of time to tweak it so it's as good as possible. That time spent studying a playbook at home helps, but without the coach there to offer tips, it's only half of what's needed.

I watched a bit on the NFLN where Ponder and Gabbert were working with Mooch. I was impressed by how Ponder had a grasp on dropbacks, scrambling(to buy time, not run) and make the quick throws. Gabbert needed alot of work, coming from a spread offense, but one of the things Mooch kept on Ponder about was getting the zip on the short passes and late on outs. Plays like that will get picked off. I think he'll be fine, but he needs to work out with the team and coaches.

Marrdro
07-29-2011, 04:04 PM
The article about him actually changing his throwing motion cause of his injury, and still being effective really rang true for me, especially considering what Tebow is going through to change his.

Looks great on paper, but I have my concerns.

Changing your throwing motion changes the dynamics of the ball in flight. Spin, arc, speed, etc. Watching Ponder replays, he does seem to float alot of passes in, and while that can work in the NCAA, the corners are too good in the NFL. Lofty passes will get picked off. That's why the missed Mini camps and OTAs will really put him behind. Fixing his throwing motion to what the NFL commands shouldn't be a huge thing for him, but it will take a bit of time to tweak it so it's as good as possible. That time spent studying a playbook at home helps, but without the coach there to offer tips, it's only half of what's needed.

I watched a bit on the NFLN where Ponder and Gabbert were working with Mooch. I was impressed by how Ponder had a grasp on dropbacks, scrambling(to buy time, not run) and make the quick throws. Gabbert needed alot of work, coming from a spread offense, but one of the things Mooch kept on Ponder about was getting the zip on the short passes and late on outs. Plays like that will get picked off. I think he'll be fine, but he needs to work out with the team and coaches.
I think you missed my point. He didn't change it for good, he just changed it for that year and was able to do it quickly.

As to the floaters, was he throwing them with an injured arm or is that what he does consistently.

Several Ponder backers have said that he has a stronger arm than I thought, but atleast for me, I don't worry so much about his arm strenght. A cannon arm isn't needed to run this scheme.

Freya
07-29-2011, 04:04 PM
Freya not happy.........but he did look pretty good in 2004. :P
WOWSERS.....How is the smartest football chick in the world?

Hi Darlin.............you flatter overmuch. I accept anyway.
I am fine and so glad to be home!!! Skol Vikes!

i_bleed_purple
07-29-2011, 04:17 PM
The article about him actually changing his throwing motion cause of his injury, and still being effective really rang true for me, especially considering what Tebow is going through to change his.

Looks great on paper, but I have my concerns.

Changing your throwing motion changes the dynamics of the ball in flight. Spin, arc, speed, etc. Watching Ponder replays, he does seem to float alot of passes in, and while that can work in the NCAA, the corners are too good in the NFL. Lofty passes will get picked off. That's why the missed Mini camps and OTAs will really put him behind. Fixing his throwing motion to what the NFL commands shouldn't be a huge thing for him, but it will take a bit of time to tweak it so it's as good as possible. That time spent studying a playbook at home helps, but without the coach there to offer tips, it's only half of what's needed.

I watched a bit on the NFLN where Ponder and Gabbert were working with Mooch. I was impressed by how Ponder had a grasp on dropbacks, scrambling(to buy time, not run) and make the quick throws. Gabbert needed alot of work, coming from a spread offense, but one of the things Mooch kept on Ponder about was getting the zip on the short passes and late on outs. Plays like that will get picked off. I think he'll be fine, but he needs to work out with the team and coaches.
I think you missed my point. He didn't change it for good, he just changed it for that year and was able to do it quickly.

No, I get it, simply saying, what works in College, doesn't always work in the NFL.

When he changed his throwing motion, he still did fine in College, but I bet a bit of velocity was taken off his throws, the angle, arc, etc. was different. He got away with it, but that doesn't always work in the pros.



Several Ponder backers have said that he has a stronger arm than I thought, but atleast for me, I don't worry so much about his arm strenght. A cannon arm isn't needed to run this scheme.

That's the issue. Ponder backers ignore the bad, and focus ont he good, just how certain quarterback haters ignore the good, and focus only on the bad.

As for the cannon arm not needed, you're right. But it's not the deep ball I'm worried about. To run the WCO effectively, you need to have zip on those passes. Quick outs especially need to be on a rope, otherwise the CB will pick those off all day. Again, we don't know how that arm will hold up until we see him in action.

Mr-holland
07-29-2011, 05:00 PM
Hmm I wonder how much he has left in the tank.
It feels like Minny is the place where old QB's go and die...

BloodyHorns82
07-29-2011, 05:06 PM
Hmm I wonder how much he has left in the tank.
It feels like Minny is the place where old QB's go and die...

Or put up the best statistical season in their career. Some life, some death, lol.

PAvikesfan
07-29-2011, 05:20 PM
At this point, McNabb is ok by me. We got him with 6th round picks. That's a steal. We had to add someone cause there is no way Ponder will be ready to start by week one. We are just biding our time with McNabb until Ponder is ready to go. Besides, McNabb was a very successful QB only two seasons ago.

Also, history may just repeat itself. Meaning, there has been a decent list of supposedly fading QB's that have had really good seasons with the vikes at the end of their careers. Remember Cunningham for a season, of course Favre for a season, Warren Moon did very well, Tarkenton came back to do very well, even McMahon had a decent season... all at the end of their careers. what if... really, what if McNabb does the same for a season and has an awesome year? Wouldn't that be something? There is no reason to doubt it. I mean we had zero expectations for Cunningham. And at the very least, this will give Ponder some time to develop. I figure this is a win, win situation.

So what you're basically saying is get ready for another disappointing end of a season with no Lombardi trophy.

The definition of "insanity" is doing the same thing over & over again, expecting a different result.

After a 6-10 season, just getting to the playoffs and being competitive is a good season. Anyone who thinks adding McNabb means we are no longer rebuilding, should take a step back. and until we add the free agents we need for the secondary and WR, we are in for a dissappointing season any way.

NodakPaul
07-29-2011, 06:02 PM
Personally I can't stand McNabb. I think he is dumber than a can of paint and what has he ever proven except he can be decent during the season but then puke/choke in the playoffs. This move is atypical of this franchise which is why we have never won a superbowl. Rice had the right idea bolting for Seattle because he could see the writing on the wall if he would have stayed here. It will be tough to watch McNabb making a fool of himself and I only hope that Ponder gets to start sooner than later even though he might take his lumps. Ponder doesn't need McNabb as a mentor. I guarantee you that no team McNabb is quarterbacking for will ever win a superbowl. 4th place in the division is a distinct possibility so get ready all!!!!

sigh.

I am pretty sure I can just go back a few years and quote one of my responses about starting TJack too early...

Bottom line - starting a QB before he is ready can lead to a breakdown in procedure (such as throwing motion) and bad compensatory habits (jump throw, running before surveying the whole field, etc). Ponder is (IMHO) much closer to being ready than TJack every was, and honestly I think he is closer than any other rookie QB, but he still isn't there yet. And with an abbreviated offseason, he simply didn't have the chance to get ready.

Starting Ponder this year would have been a costly mistake.

He doesn't need McNabb to "mentor" him. But he does need time on the bench to absorb the speed of the game, feel out defensive formations, practice anticipating the defense without paying dearly for mistakes, etc.

Riding the bench longer than necessary will rarely hurt a player, but starting them too early often does.

Dear NP.........I have to disagree with you about TJack's problems being entirely due to the fact that he was started to early. I felt (and still do) that TJack was mishandled by the coaches from the start and consider that to be a greater issue in the situation than playing too soon. That, and the weak personality of TJack created a problem that was impossible to overcome. I just hope that the coaches do not try to ruin Ponder as well.

I don't disagree at all. I should have specified that I think part of TJacks problem was due to him starting too early. There were also plenty of other issues, including poor coaching, that (sadly) pretty much ruined his NFL career.

Caine
07-29-2011, 06:31 PM
Personally I can't stand McNabb. I think he is dumber than a can of paint and what has he ever proven except he can be decent during the season but then puke/choke in the playoffs. This move is atypical of this franchise which is why we have never won a superbowl. Rice had the right idea bolting for Seattle because he could see the writing on the wall if he would have stayed here. It will be tough to watch McNabb making a fool of himself and I only hope that Ponder gets to start sooner than later even though he might take his lumps. Ponder doesn't need McNabb as a mentor. I guarantee you that no team McNabb is quarterbacking for will ever win a superbowl. 4th place in the division is a distinct possibility so get ready all!!!!

sigh.

I am pretty sure I can just go back a few years and quote one of my responses about starting TJack too early...

Bottom line - starting a QB before he is ready can lead to a breakdown in procedure (such as throwing motion) and bad compensatory habits (jump throw, running before surveying the whole field, etc). Ponder is (IMHO) much closer to being ready than TJack every was, and honestly I think he is closer than any other rookie QB, but he still isn't there yet. And with an abbreviated offseason, he simply didn't have the chance to get ready.

Starting Ponder this year would have been a costly mistake.

He doesn't need McNabb to "mentor" him. But he does need time on the bench to absorb the speed of the game, feel out defensive formations, practice anticipating the defense without paying dearly for mistakes, etc.

Riding the bench longer than necessary will rarely hurt a player, but starting them too early often does.

Dear NP.........I have to disagree with you about TJack's problems being entirely due to the fact that he was started to early. I felt (and still do) that TJack was mishandled by the coaches from the start and consider that to be a greater issue in the situation than playing too soon. That, and the weak personality of TJack created a problem that was impossible to overcome. I just hope that the coaches do not try to ruin Ponder as well.

I don't disagree at all. I should have specified that I think part of TJacks problem was due to him starting too early. There were also plenty of other issues, including poor coaching, that (sadly) pretty much ruined his NFL career.

Ok, so where are we on that:

1: Started too soon? Check.
2: Inept Coaching? Check.
3: Lack of strong personality (confidence?)? Check.

Of course, he's now in Seattle where he'll have great coaching.....oh...wait.....nope. Same guy.

Anyway, he'll have the opportunity to sit and develop.....oh....wait....no. He did that here the last 2 seasons and still sucked.

Well, at least he has his confidence.....

...right?


Anyway, even Rice won't save him.

Caine

Purple Floyd
07-29-2011, 08:45 PM
When was the last time that I mentioned that NP was the smartest cat on this site?

Hey my friend, do you think he will go before the year is out?

I would like to see him sit all year but think he has the mental makeup to tough it out if he does have to get out there to early.

Your view of me is highly overrated, but thanks. ;)

Honestly, I would like to see Ponder sit all year. I agree, I think he CAN succeed if he comes in, but I don't see the benefit in it. The only situation (baring injury) in which Ponder will come in is if McNabb is failing. And that means that our season will already be in jeopardy, and Ponder will have little chance to save it. In fact, being a rookie and leading a team that is facing a losing season is hard to do and could have a negative effect.

I would rather stick with McNabb for the entire season, take what comes with it, and launch the Ponder era in 2012.

I'll go one better... I say stick with McNabb until he gives you a reason not to. If that's 1 year, fine. 2 years, fine. 3 years, fine. That gives Ponder more time to learn the offense, see the action, and get used to what's coming.

If McNabb starts coming apart at teh seams in week 6, make your move then.

My point is, let the kid develop while we can. There is NOTHING gained by putting him in too soon, and nothing gained by benching a proven QB prematurely.

Caine

That will probably be 4-6 weeks depending on where the bye is on the schedule....

Marrdro
07-29-2011, 08:49 PM
The article about him actually changing his throwing motion cause of his injury, and still being effective really rang true for me, especially considering what Tebow is going through to change his.

Looks great on paper, but I have my concerns.

Changing your throwing motion changes the dynamics of the ball in flight. Spin, arc, speed, etc. Watching Ponder replays, he does seem to float alot of passes in, and while that can work in the NCAA, the corners are too good in the NFL. Lofty passes will get picked off. That's why the missed Mini camps and OTAs will really put him behind. Fixing his throwing motion to what the NFL commands shouldn't be a huge thing for him, but it will take a bit of time to tweak it so it's as good as possible. That time spent studying a playbook at home helps, but without the coach there to offer tips, it's only half of what's needed.

I watched a bit on the NFLN where Ponder and Gabbert were working with Mooch. I was impressed by how Ponder had a grasp on dropbacks, scrambling(to buy time, not run) and make the quick throws. Gabbert needed alot of work, coming from a spread offense, but one of the things Mooch kept on Ponder about was getting the zip on the short passes and late on outs. Plays like that will get picked off. I think he'll be fine, but he needs to work out with the team and coaches.
I think you missed my point. He didn't change it for good, he just changed it for that year and was able to do it quickly.

No, I get it, simply saying, what works in College, doesn't always work in the NFL.

When he changed his throwing motion, he still did fine in College, but I bet a bit of velocity was taken off his throws, the angle, arc, etc. was different. He got away with it, but that doesn't always work in the pros.



Several Ponder backers have said that he has a stronger arm than I thought, but atleast for me, I don't worry so much about his arm strenght. A cannon arm isn't needed to run this scheme.

That's the issue. Ponder backers ignore the bad, and focus ont he good, just how certain quarterback haters ignore the good, and focus only on the bad.

As for the cannon arm not needed, you're right. But it's not the deep ball I'm worried about. To run the WCO effectively, you need to have zip on those passes. Quick outs especially need to be on a rope, otherwise the CB will pick those off all day. Again, we don't know how that arm will hold up until we see him in action.
Your still missing the point.

Don't get wrapped around the axel on comparisons between the NFL and college. Just wrap your mind around the fact that he did it and in a very short time, then put that learning curve to other things he will see in the NFL vice college.

Sure it won't be perfect, but it will be alot better alot faster than a guy like Tebow who is taking atleast a year to do something he couldnt even do in college.

i_bleed_purple
07-29-2011, 09:05 PM
The article about him actually changing his throwing motion cause of his injury, and still being effective really rang true for me, especially considering what Tebow is going through to change his.

Looks great on paper, but I have my concerns.

Changing your throwing motion changes the dynamics of the ball in flight. Spin, arc, speed, etc. Watching Ponder replays, he does seem to float alot of passes in, and while that can work in the NCAA, the corners are too good in the NFL. Lofty passes will get picked off. That's why the missed Mini camps and OTAs will really put him behind. Fixing his throwing motion to what the NFL commands shouldn't be a huge thing for him, but it will take a bit of time to tweak it so it's as good as possible. That time spent studying a playbook at home helps, but without the coach there to offer tips, it's only half of what's needed.

I watched a bit on the NFLN where Ponder and Gabbert were working with Mooch. I was impressed by how Ponder had a grasp on dropbacks, scrambling(to buy time, not run) and make the quick throws. Gabbert needed alot of work, coming from a spread offense, but one of the things Mooch kept on Ponder about was getting the zip on the short passes and late on outs. Plays like that will get picked off. I think he'll be fine, but he needs to work out with the team and coaches.
I think you missed my point. He didn't change it for good, he just changed it for that year and was able to do it quickly.

No, I get it, simply saying, what works in College, doesn't always work in the NFL.

When he changed his throwing motion, he still did fine in College, but I bet a bit of velocity was taken off his throws, the angle, arc, etc. was different. He got away with it, but that doesn't always work in the pros.



Several Ponder backers have said that he has a stronger arm than I thought, but atleast for me, I don't worry so much about his arm strenght. A cannon arm isn't needed to run this scheme.

That's the issue. Ponder backers ignore the bad, and focus ont he good, just how certain quarterback haters ignore the good, and focus only on the bad.

As for the cannon arm not needed, you're right. But it's not the deep ball I'm worried about. To run the WCO effectively, you need to have zip on those passes. Quick outs especially need to be on a rope, otherwise the CB will pick those off all day. Again, we don't know how that arm will hold up until we see him in action.
Your still missing the point.

Don't get wrapped around the axel on comparisons between the NFL and college. Just wrap your mind around the fact that he did it and in a very short time, then put that learning curve to other things he will see in the NFL vice college. No, you're missing the point. It entirely has to do with the difference between college and NFL. yes, he coudl change it quickly, and yes, that's impressive. However, it's quite simple. Things that work in college don't always work in the NFL.

Are there many different throwing styles? Yes. Can they be effective? Yes. Can you expect Ponder to learn the NFL game and step up day one and perform? No. You don't know, and neither do I, how Ponder a) changed his throw, or b) how the actually pass itself was affected. I'm willing to bet neither of us watched all his games, so all we can go on is scouting reports and highlights.

When I sprained my ankle a few weeks ago, I learned very quickly how to adapt, change my throw and finish the game I was playing. Does that mean I can adapt and do it in the NCAA or NFL? Hell no.

kyleburkle
07-31-2011, 04:15 AM
Will minnesota ever learn, washed up qb that couldn't hack it on 2 teams

Mcnabb was so bad in philly in his last year that kevin kolb who sucks looked good compared to him

Mcnabb was so bad in washington, they put in a bumbling idiot in rex grossman

Joe Webb only looked good cause Favre was so horrible last year.

Minnesota should be called washed up qb team. I think we set the record. think of the list of twilighters.

Mcmahon, Moon, Cunnigham, Johnson 2nd time around, George, Favre, minnesota has to have washed up qb's maybe its goes with norwegians way of a cheap fix lol. Dont worry I am part norwegian, i can say my people are cheap.

So I am going to watch Tarvaris get seattle a division title, and say told you so. Ponder e was a decent qb in college, but doubtful he is NFL level. Maybe we stick with Mcnabb all year, we already lost edwards and sidney.

I think its time to trade adrian, because statistics go his wheels are about to slow as a RB, we could get a huge draft dealing him this year and taking last in NFL. But a no 1 pick.

Kellen Moore boise state. That is who we need.

see ya later vikes fans

i_bleed_purple
07-31-2011, 04:27 AM
So I am going to watch Tarvaris get seattle a division title, and say told you so.



Alright, bye, we'll see you next year. hopefully not.

TrojanVike28
07-31-2011, 04:31 AM
Kyle Burkle, You just wasted my time and may I please have my 2 minutes back. Thank you!

12purplepride28
07-31-2011, 04:32 AM
Well this is completely different than the previous times which is why I have no problem with it. He isn't a solution for the future, he's just a bridge until Ponder is ready to start. This is nothing like the previous times where we went to a vet because we had no other option.

Purple Floyd
07-31-2011, 04:35 AM
Well this is completely different than the previous times which is why I have no problem with it. He isn't a solution for the future, he's just a bridge until Ponder is ready to start. This is nothing like the previous times where we went to a vet because we had no other option.

Stop the presses. I thought Brad Johnson, Gus, Bollinger and Brett were just temps until TJ was ready to take the reigns.

12purplepride28
07-31-2011, 04:36 AM
Well this is completely different than the previous times which is why I have no problem with it. He isn't a solution for the future, he's just a bridge until Ponder is ready to start. This is nothing like the previous times where we went to a vet because we had no other option.

Stop the presses. I thought Brad Johnson, Gus, Bollinger and Brett were just temps until TJ was ready to take the reigns.

Well I think we both know that he will never be ready ;)

12purplepride28
07-31-2011, 04:38 AM
Oh and welcome back kyleburkel. I missed your constructive posts. Please can you go get infidel and we can have a real party.

Purple Floyd
07-31-2011, 04:43 AM
Well this is completely different than the previous times which is why I have no problem with it. He isn't a solution for the future, he's just a bridge until Ponder is ready to start. This is nothing like the previous times where we went to a vet because we had no other option.

Stop the presses. I thought Brad Johnson, Gus, Bollinger and Brett were just temps until TJ was ready to take the reigns.

Well I think we both know that he will never be ready ;)

Ponder might end up the same way. I would rather give him the chance now than waste 5 years like the last one before we decide to cut ties.

12purplepride28
07-31-2011, 04:48 AM
But the thing is, we will find out because our coach isn't a moron. He wants Ponder in there and he will be playing before we know it. I have no doubt about that.

jmcdon00
07-31-2011, 05:02 AM
Well this is completely different than the previous times which is why I have no problem with it. He isn't a solution for the future, he's just a bridge until Ponder is ready to start. This is nothing like the previous times where we went to a vet because we had no other option.

Stop the presses. I thought Brad Johnson, Gus, Bollinger and Brett were just temps until TJ was ready to take the reigns.

Well I think we both know that he will never be ready ;)

Ponder might end up the same way. I would rather give him the chance now than waste 5 years like the last one before we decide to cut ties.
Wasn't the problem with Tjack that he never had to compete for the starting job? What has ponder done to deserve being named the starter?

Tad7
07-31-2011, 05:16 AM
You're certainly correct about T-Jack winning a division title in Seattle.

But I disagree about McNabb. I don't think he's just another old guy that can't hack it. 2009 was a good season for him and I just think he hated everything about Washington last season. If Rice was still here, I'd honestly feel really good about the next 2,3 seasons with McNabb.

12purplepride28
07-31-2011, 05:22 AM
You're certainly correct about T-Jack winning a division title in Seattle.

But I disagree about McNabb. I don't think he's just another old guy that can't hack it. 2009 was a good season for him and I just think he hated everything about Washington last season. If Rice was still here, I'd honestly feel really good about the next 2,3 seasons with McNabb.

I don't think the seachickens will win the division. I wouldn't be surprised if the Cards won it with a motivated fitz and kolb or the rams with a more experienced bradford, stephen jackson, and WRs with a lil more xp.

STCLOUDSAYSGOVIKES
07-31-2011, 05:27 AM
Will minnesota ever learn, washed up qb that couldn't hack it on 2 teams

Mcnabb was so bad in philly in his last year that kevin kolb who sucks looked good compared to him

Mcnabb was so bad in washington, they put in a bumbling idiot in rex grossman

Joe Webb only looked good cause Favre was so horrible last year.

Minnesota should be called washed up qb team. I think we set the record. think of the list of twilighters.

Mcmahon, Moon, Cunnigham, Johnson 2nd time around, George, Favre, minnesota has to have washed up qb's maybe its goes with norwegians way of a cheap fix lol. Dont worry I am part norwegian, i can say my people are cheap.

So I am going to watch Tarvaris get seattle a division title, and say told you so. Ponder e was a decent qb in college, but doubtful he is NFL level. Maybe we stick with Mcnabb all year, we already lost edwards and sidney.

I think its time to trade adrian, because statistics go his wheels are about to slow as a RB, we could get a huge draft dealing him this year and taking last in NFL. But a no 1 pick.

Kellen Moore boise state. That is who we need.

see ya later vikes fans Here's a suggestion: Find the biggest gun you can, load it with ammo., point it at your chest and shoot. :evil:

If you're willing to 'abandon' a team because you aren't a fan of the starting QB, maybe it's time to question if you were ever really a fan in the first place.

V4L
07-31-2011, 05:32 AM
Will minnesota ever learn, washed up qb that couldn't hack it on 2 teams

Mcnabb was so bad in philly in his last year that kevin kolb who sucks looked good compared to him

Mcnabb was so bad in washington, they put in a bumbling idiot in rex grossman

Joe Webb only looked good cause Favre was so horrible last year.

Minnesota should be called washed up qb team. I think we set the record. think of the list of twilighters.

Mcmahon, Moon, Cunnigham, Johnson 2nd time around, George, Favre, minnesota has to have washed up qb's maybe its goes with norwegians way of a cheap fix lol. Dont worry I am part norwegian, i can say my people are cheap.

So I am going to watch Tarvaris get seattle a division title, and say told you so. Ponder e was a decent qb in college, but doubtful he is NFL level. Maybe we stick with Mcnabb all year, we already lost edwards and sidney.

I think its time to trade adrian, because statistics go his wheels are about to slow as a RB, we could get a huge draft dealing him this year and taking last in NFL. But a no 1 pick.

Kellen Moore boise state. That is who we need.

see ya later vikes fans Here's a suggestion: Find the biggest gun you can, load it with ammo., point it at your chest and shoot. :evil:

If you're willing to 'abandon' a team because you aren't a fan of the starting QB, maybe it's time to question if you were ever really a fan in the first place.


Wtf?

12purplepride28
07-31-2011, 05:37 AM
Will minnesota ever learn, washed up qb that couldn't hack it on 2 teams

Mcnabb was so bad in philly in his last year that kevin kolb who sucks looked good compared to him

Mcnabb was so bad in washington, they put in a bumbling idiot in rex grossman

Joe Webb only looked good cause Favre was so horrible last year.

Minnesota should be called washed up qb team. I think we set the record. think of the list of twilighters.

Mcmahon, Moon, Cunnigham, Johnson 2nd time around, George, Favre, minnesota has to have washed up qb's maybe its goes with norwegians way of a cheap fix lol. Dont worry I am part norwegian, i can say my people are cheap.

So I am going to watch Tarvaris get seattle a division title, and say told you so. Ponder e was a decent qb in college, but doubtful he is NFL level. Maybe we stick with Mcnabb all year, we already lost edwards and sidney.

I think its time to trade adrian, because statistics go his wheels are about to slow as a RB, we could get a huge draft dealing him this year and taking last in NFL. But a no 1 pick.

Kellen Moore boise state. That is who we need.

see ya later vikes fans Here's a suggestion: Find the biggest gun you can, load it with ammo., point it at your chest and shoot. :evil:

If you're willing to 'abandon' a team because you aren't a fan of the starting QB, maybe it's time to question if you were ever really a fan in the first place.


Wtf?

hahahahaha

MulletMullitia
07-31-2011, 06:46 AM
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/349/failed2j.jpg

MulletMullitia
07-31-2011, 06:58 AM
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4748/hilariousv.jpg

kyleburkle
07-31-2011, 09:02 AM
time to pick up braylon edwards

i_bleed_purple
07-31-2011, 05:42 PM
Will minnesota ever learn, washed up qb that couldn't hack it on 2 teams

Mcnabb was so bad in philly in his last year that kevin kolb who sucks looked good compared to him

Mcnabb was so bad in washington, they put in a bumbling idiot in rex grossman

Joe Webb only looked good cause Favre was so horrible last year.

Minnesota should be called washed up qb team. I think we set the record. think of the list of twilighters.

Mcmahon, Moon, Cunnigham, Johnson 2nd time around, George, Favre, minnesota has to have washed up qb's maybe its goes with norwegians way of a cheap fix lol. Dont worry I am part norwegian, i can say my people are cheap.

So I am going to watch Tarvaris get seattle a division title, and say told you so. Ponder e was a decent qb in college, but doubtful he is NFL level. Maybe we stick with Mcnabb all year, we already lost edwards and sidney.

I think its time to trade adrian, because statistics go his wheels are about to slow as a RB, we could get a huge draft dealing him this year and taking last in NFL. But a no 1 pick.

Kellen Moore boise state. That is who we need.

see ya later vikes fans Here's a suggestion: Find the biggest gun you can, load it with ammo., point it at your chest and shoot. :evil:

If you're willing to 'abandon' a team because you aren't a fan of the starting QB, maybe it's time to question if you were ever really a fan in the first place.


Wtf?

The man has a good point.

I personally would have recommended bungee jumping with a power cable, but the same effect will be achieved either way.

i_bleed_purple
07-31-2011, 05:42 PM
time to pick up braylon edwards

yet another excellent post by an excellent poster.

except Vikes are out of the hunt for Edwards, but thanks for paying attention.

gamecocksbaseball31
07-31-2011, 05:57 PM
Will minnesota ever learn, washed up qb that couldn't hack it on 2 teams

Mcnabb was so bad in philly in his last year that kevin kolb who sucks looked good compared to him

Mcnabb was so bad in washington, they put in a bumbling idiot in rex grossman

Joe Webb only looked good cause Favre was so horrible last year.

Minnesota should be called washed up qb team. I think we set the record. think of the list of twilighters.

Mcmahon, Moon, Cunnigham, Johnson 2nd time around, George, Favre, minnesota has to have washed up qb's maybe its goes with norwegians way of a cheap fix lol. Dont worry I am part norwegian, i can say my people are cheap.

So I am going to watch Tarvaris get seattle a division title, and say told you so. Ponder e was a decent qb in college, but doubtful he is NFL level. Maybe we stick with Mcnabb all year, we already lost edwards and sidney.

I think its time to trade adrian, because statistics go his wheels are about to slow as a RB, we could get a huge draft dealing him this year and taking last in NFL. But a no 1 pick.

Kellen Moore boise state. That is who we need.

see ya later vikes fans
First of all, for Tarvaris Jackson to win the division, he probably has to have a good season. Since Jackson's next good season will be his first good season I don't see him leading the Seahawks to a division title.

With some of those "washed up QB's" we had two of our best seasons under Cunningham (98) and Favre (09).

Kellen Moore? Are you kidding? haha Nothing more that needs to be said.

gamecocksbaseball31
08-01-2011, 05:24 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/31/mcnabb-says-he-no-longer-has-a-something-to-prove-mentality/

jmcdon00
08-09-2011, 04:40 PM
I think it should be noted that McNabb is not that old. He's 34, younger than Peyton Manning and only a couple months older than Tom Brady. He's younger than Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, brett favre, Gus Ferrotte, or Warren Moon when they came to the Vikings.

2beersTommy
08-09-2011, 05:12 PM
I think it should be noted that McNabb is not that old. He's 34, younger than Peyton Manning and only a couple months older than Tom Brady. He's younger than Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, brett favre, Gus Ferrotte, or Warren Moon when they came to the Vikings.

the key with McNabb is we give him time to throw the ball, not to mention he holds onto the ball to long..so he needs to get rid of it faster.. a combo of both happening & he'll do fine.

BloodyHorns82
08-09-2011, 05:33 PM
I think it should be noted that McNabb is not that old. He's 34, younger than Peyton Manning and only a couple months older than Tom Brady. He's younger than Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, brett favre, Gus Ferrotte, or Warren Moon when they came to the Vikings.

Difference being Brady and Manning played well enough to not get traded off in favor of a felon dog murderer. Also McNabb saw a drop off in performance last year and Manning and Brady were still Manning and Brady.

Additionally McNabb has an injury history and the other two QBs don't.

It is an interesting note though, absolutely.

jmcdon00
08-09-2011, 05:49 PM
I think it should be noted that McNabb is not that old. He's 34, younger than Peyton Manning and only a couple months older than Tom Brady. He's younger than Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, brett favre, Gus Ferrotte, or Warren Moon when they came to the Vikings.

Difference being Brady and Manning played well enough to not get traded off in favor of a felon dog murderer. Also McNabb saw a drop off in performance last year and Manning and Brady were still Manning and Brady.

Additionally McNabb has an injury history and the other two QBs don't.

It is an interesting note though, absolutely.
Well yeah those guys are better than McNabb, I was just addressing the age concerns.
McNabb was not traded so Vick could start, he was traded so Kolb, who was drafted 36th overall in 07, could be the QB of the future. The eagles were following the formula that worked for the Packers. Vick didn't enter the equation til later.
McNabb didn't play at all poorly in 09. He completed over 60% for over 3500yds 22td 10int, plus 2 rushing TDs. 92.9QB rating. And made the playoffs with an 11-5 record(10-4 as the starter). Washington gave up a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick for him.

VikesFan787
08-09-2011, 05:53 PM
Everyone chill, we will win the Super Bowl.

BloodyHorns82
08-09-2011, 06:32 PM
I think it should be noted that McNabb is not that old. He's 34, younger than Peyton Manning and only a couple months older than Tom Brady. He's younger than Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, brett favre, Gus Ferrotte, or Warren Moon when they came to the Vikings.

Difference being Brady and Manning played well enough to not get traded off in favor of a felon dog murderer. Also McNabb saw a drop off in performance last year and Manning and Brady were still Manning and Brady.

Additionally McNabb has an injury history and the other two QBs don't.

It is an interesting note though, absolutely.
Well yeah those guys are better than McNabb, I was just addressing the age concerns.
McNabb was not traded so Vick could start, he was traded so Kolb, who was drafted 36th overall in 07, could be the QB of the future. The eagles were following the formula that worked for the Packers. Vick didn't enter the equation til later.
McNabb didn't play at all poorly in 09. He completed over 60% for over 3500yds 22td 10int, plus 2 rushing TDs. 92.9QB rating. And made the playoffs with an 11-5 record(10-4 as the starter). Washington gave up a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick for him.

That's right, my mistake - he was traded off in favor of Kevin Kolb. Not sure that's a whole lot better though.

Don't get me wrong, I like the McNabb pick up. I just didn't like the Manning/Brady comparison. They may all be the same age, but McNabb has taken a lot more abuse and was never at the level of those two to begin with.

I think the thing to take away from your point is not to dismiss him as a garbage QB just because he's 34 years old, correct?

BloodyHorns82
08-09-2011, 06:33 PM
Everyone chill, we will win the Super Bowl.

Yep, and 2057 can't get here fast enough for the L.A. Vikings.

jmcdon00
08-09-2011, 07:24 PM
I think it should be noted that McNabb is not that old. He's 34, younger than Peyton Manning and only a couple months older than Tom Brady. He's younger than Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, brett favre, Gus Ferrotte, or Warren Moon when they came to the Vikings.

Difference being Brady and Manning played well enough to not get traded off in favor of a felon dog murderer. Also McNabb saw a drop off in performance last year and Manning and Brady were still Manning and Brady.

Additionally McNabb has an injury history and the other two QBs don't.

It is an interesting note though, absolutely.
Well yeah those guys are better than McNabb, I was just addressing the age concerns.
McNabb was not traded so Vick could start, he was traded so Kolb, who was drafted 36th overall in 07, could be the QB of the future. The eagles were following the formula that worked for the Packers. Vick didn't enter the equation til later.
McNabb didn't play at all poorly in 09. He completed over 60% for over 3500yds 22td 10int, plus 2 rushing TDs. 92.9QB rating. And made the playoffs with an 11-5 record(10-4 as the starter). Washington gave up a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick for him.

That's right, my mistake - he was traded off in favor of Kevin Kolb. Not sure that's a whole lot better though.

Don't get me wrong, I like the McNabb pick up. I just didn't like the Manning/Brady comparison. They may all be the same age, but McNabb has taken a lot more abuse and was never at the level of those two to begin with.

I think the thing to take away from your point is not to dismiss him as a garbage QB just because he's 34 years old, correct?
Exactly. 34 is the new 30 for nfl QB's. When you look at the list of superbowl Qb's there are more guys in there 30s than 20s on the list.
http://football.about.com/cs/superbowl/a/sbquarterbacks.htm

VikesFan787
08-09-2011, 07:28 PM
Everyone chill, we will win the Super Bowl.

Yep, and 2057 can't get here fast enough for the L.A. Vikings.

Lol, I honestly think we will be good though.

Purple Floyd
08-10-2011, 02:58 AM
How many people have actually seen him in action this year? I saw him on Saturday at the night scrimmage and he looks very slow and out of shape. He does have an incredibly quick release and a huge arm but his footwork is slow and I am not sure he is going to be all that mobile in the pocket like he was in his younger days.

If you are hanging your hopes for the season on his shoulder be prepared for your annual letdown.

MindCrimes67
08-10-2011, 03:01 AM
How many people have actually seen him in action this year? I saw him on Saturday at the night scrimmage and he looks very slow and out of shape. He does have an incredibly quick release and a huge arm but his footwork is slow and I am not sure he is going to be all that mobile in the pocket like he was in his younger days.

If you are hanging your hopes for the season on his shoulder be prepared for your annual letdown.

Judging how he looked in a scrimmage after only two practices. Pretty hasty judgement.

Purple Floyd
08-11-2011, 03:51 AM
Bill Romanowski says “lazy” McNabb couldn’t fit with Shanahan

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/10/bill-romanowski-says-lazy-mcnabb-couldnt-fit-with-shanahan/


“The reason why Donovan McNabb is not in Washington right now is because he was lazy,” Romanowski said. “He didn’t spend the time. Mike Shanahan likes guys who will work really hard. I narrow it down to two things. He’s either lazy, or he’s not very bright to pick up the offense. One or the other. I think he’s bright enough, I just think he was lazy.”