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jargomcfargo
07-09-2011, 11:45 PM
Clayton: Packers and Vikings Over The Salary Cap

Over at ESPN.com, John Clayton discusses the lower 2011 salary cap (even if the owners and players work it out soon, there should be some lost revenue which would keep the cap lower). And then he looks at the Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings because they are two of the seven teams over a hypothetical cap of $120 million. From ESPN:

Green Bay Packers -- The Packers really don't have a cap problem, particularly if they move linebacker Nick Barnett. Cutting or trading him saves the team about $4.4 million. They can save close to $4.5 million if right tackle Mark Tauscher doesn't come back. The Packers are $62,000 under the cap.

Minnesota Vikings -- The Vikings are $5.148 million over, which will make it tough for them to keep Bernard Berrian. Releasing him would save around $3.7 million. Adrian Peterson is in the final year on his contract with a salary of $10.72 million. He wants a long-term deal, and if the Vikings accommodate it would free up a lot of cap room.
The Vikings have bigger problems, but it's manageable. I'm not sure why they'd want to keep Bernard Berrian after last season anyway.


http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2011/7/9/2267477/clayton-packers-and-vikings-over-the-salary-cap

Purple Floyd
07-10-2011, 12:08 AM
Looks like it is time to cut Peterson.

vikinggreg
07-10-2011, 03:11 AM
The January salary numbers had the Packers at 129.8 and the Vikes at 108.4 mil, this was before the Packers released a couple of players and redid Hawks contract and also didn't include any of the tender or other deals before the lockout.

link (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37327/looking-at-2011-salary-cap-figures)

jargomcfargo
07-10-2011, 03:10 PM
The January salary numbers had the Packers at 129.8 and the Vikes at 108.4 mil, this was before the Packers released a couple of players and redid Hawks contract and also didn't include any of the tender or other deals before the lockout.

link (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37327/looking-at-2011-salary-cap-figures)

From the article:

These numbers don’t include what restricted free agents, exclusive-rights free agents or franchise players would count toward the cap because we don’t know that -- and won’t until there is a labor agreement in place. And, although we know there will be a 2011 draft no matter what, these numbers don’t include rookie salaries. The numbers below are only for players currently under contract for the 2011 season.


Projections show the NFL increasing it's revenue over the next several years.
I have seen some reports stating the salary cap could be set as high as $140 million with a requirement that at least 90% of it to be spent each year.
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2011/2/7/1981003/2011-nfl-salary-cap-vikings-may-have-some-money-to-burn

If that's the case, there will be a lot of money to keep and sign your own players as well as throw at free agents.

Jerry Jones appears to be in a bit of a cap pickle. If he squawks enough, the cap will probably get set higher than $120 million.

vikinggreg
07-10-2011, 05:32 PM
The January salary numbers had the Packers at 129.8 and the Vikes at 108.4 mil, this was before the Packers released a couple of players and redid Hawks contract and also didn't include any of the tender or other deals before the lockout.

link (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37327/looking-at-2011-salary-cap-figures)

From the article:

These numbers don’t include what restricted free agents, exclusive-rights free agents or franchise players would count toward the cap because we don’t know that -- and won’t until there is a labor agreement in place. And, although we know there will be a 2011 draft no matter what, these numbers don’t include rookie salaries. The numbers below are only for players currently under contract for the 2011 season.


Projections show the NFL increasing it's revenue over the next several years.
I have seen some reports stating the salary cap could be set as high as $140 million with a requirement that at least 90% of it to be spent each year.
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2011/2/7/1981003/2011-nfl-salary-cap-vikings-may-have-some-money-to-burn

If that's the case, there will be a lot of money to keep and sign your own players as well as throw at free agents.

Jerry Jones appears to be in a bit of a cap pickle. If he squawks enough, the cap will probably get set higher than $120 million.

One thing to watch with whatever the new cap number is will be how the signing bonus will be handled against the cap, some of what I've heard talked about is the higher the cap (140 neigbourhood) could be a true dollar cap so a 10 mill bonus will hit the years cap that its paid, the lower cap range the bonus will hit the cap over the life of the contract say 10 mill over a 5 year contract would be 2 mill a year and the other thing that was discussed was lower signing bonus with more built in roster bonuses over the life of a contract for teams to spend the money around if it becomes a true cash cap. But both New York teams and the Packers seem to have a fair bit of cash already tied up and the Bucs and Panthers have some spending to do. It will be just as interesting to see free agency start to see which players will be released to make cap room.

jmcdon00
07-12-2011, 02:39 PM
Suprised the Vikings are that close, without Favre's 16million or so.
It sounded earlier that they were going to go to more of a cash basis, meaning you have to actually spend the money during the year for it to count. This could be a big break for teams that have been pushing money back, delaying the cap impact.
It also means higher payroll for teams at the bottom who were counting salary and bonuses that would likely never be paid.
Can't wait for the final deal to come through to see how this will all play out.

mountainviking
07-12-2011, 03:13 PM
Looks like it is time to cut Peterson.

BLASPHEMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JK...You are kidding, right!? ;)


Those numbers make no sense...unless they're still counting the Favre against us!? Other than BF, with all the restrictions, we didn't sign any big money guys last season at all, in fact, who was our last big contract!? Most of the flurry of guys we signed early in Chilly's reign are coming up on the end of their contracts...Leber, Madieu, BB, Hutch?

Boy O Boy!! When this ball gets a rolling, it is going to be one hell of an avalanche rolling down the mountain!

The players want shorter contracts and the owners want less payroll, which could easily add up to lots more Free Agents available than ever before (especially with last year's crop still in limbo!) Then you also have all the Undrafted Free Agents from this year's rookies still out there and only about a week til training camp starts!

We are probably going to see one hell of a flurry of FA visits/signings/rumors/etc!!! I hope we have a lil cap space to resign Rice, Leber, Greenway and AP, and maybe still have a bit left to upgrade S and/or DT depth!?!

I can't wait!!! SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo:

Marrdro
07-13-2011, 12:01 AM
The January salary numbers had the Packers at 129.8 and the Vikes at 108.4 mil, this was before the Packers released a couple of players and redid Hawks contract and also didn't include any of the tender or other deals before the lockout.

link (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37327/looking-at-2011-salary-cap-figures)

From the article:

These numbers don’t include what restricted free agents, exclusive-rights free agents or franchise players would count toward the cap because we don’t know that -- and won’t until there is a labor agreement in place. And, although we know there will be a 2011 draft no matter what, these numbers don’t include rookie salaries. The numbers below are only for players currently under contract for the 2011 season.


Projections show the NFL increasing it's revenue over the next several years.
I have seen some reports stating the salary cap could be set as high as $140 million with a requirement that at least 90% of it to be spent each year.
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2011/2/7/1981003/2011-nfl-salary-cap-vikings-may-have-some-money-to-burn

If that's the case, there will be a lot of money to keep and sign your own players as well as throw at free agents.

Jerry Jones appears to be in a bit of a cap pickle. If he squawks enough, the cap will probably get set higher than $120 million.
How dare you inject any sort of comment that uses a "Blog" as a ref source for your discussion point.:ohmy:

Silly ole Doc.

Been in the closet the past few days, however, I've had some time to visit some other "Sites that aren't credible" and they have some very interesting points on "Attacking the CAP".


Adrian Peterson, HB, Age 26

2011 Salary: $10.72 Million

The Scoop: This is one of the biggest issues currently facing the Vikings front office. While conventional wisdom says you shouldn’t give a massive second contract to running backs, whom have a tendency to break down early in their careers in today’s NFL, no player seems more likely to defy the odds than the guy that does it every Sunday. Peterson is getting better every year, it seems, and projects to become the highest paid running back in the history of the NFL.

In 2008, Rams running back Steven Jackson had to hold out in order to get paid, and that is likely a scenario the Vikings would prefer to avoid. Using Jackson’s contract as measuring stick, it seems like Peterson could end up with a contract in the neighborhood of six years, $60 million total, $25 million in guarantees, and a signing bonus of about $13 million.

This means that Peterson could end up being one of those rare cases where a restructured contract actually ends up increasing the hit he causes to the teams salary cap. One way or another, All Day will get his pay day, and it seems very likely that the Vikings are the team that will have to figure out a way to front the dough.



Attacking The Cap: The Top Three
(http://www.vikingsgab.com/2011/07/10/attacking-the-cap-the-top-three/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+VikingsGab+%28Vikings+Gab%29)
There are a couple more on the site, but I won't bother to post them as a couple of posters on here will then go off on some tangent how we are "Validating" that blogs existance. :whistle:

Minniman
07-16-2011, 05:58 PM
Minnesota Vikings -- The Vikings are $5.148 million over, which will make it tough for them to keep Bernard Berrian. Releasing him would save around $3.7 million. Adrian Peterson is in the final year on his contract with a salary of $10.72 million. He wants a long-term deal, and if the Vikings accommodate it would free up a lot of cap room.
The Vikings have bigger problems, but it's manageable. I'm not sure why they'd want to keep Bernard Berrian after last season anyway.

Keep Bernard Berrian? ROTFL!!!!

jmcdon00
07-19-2011, 04:17 PM
Not sure how re-signing Peterson will free up cap room. I can't imagine we would pay him much under the 10.7million he is currently entitled. Sure maybe we could push more money to later years, but that is only going to hurt more in 4 or 5 years when he is wearing down, or not playing at all, but takes up a huge part of the cap. Take the hit now while your atleast getting production for it.

vikinggreg
07-20-2011, 01:25 AM
Not sure how re-signing Peterson will free up cap room. I can't imagine we would pay him much under the 10.7million he is currently entitled. Sure maybe we could push more money to later years, but that is only going to hurt more in 4 or 5 years when he is wearing down, or not playing at all, but takes up a huge part of the cap. Take the hit now while your atleast getting production for it.

Teams do it all the time

Vikes sign him to a 4 year deal and pay him 12 mil this year but 8 of that could be singing bonus so only 2 of the bonus and 4 for base salary hit this years cap so the team freed up 4.7 mil in cap space

midgensa
07-20-2011, 02:24 AM
Not sure how re-signing Peterson will free up cap room. I can't imagine we would pay him much under the 10.7million he is currently entitled. Sure maybe we could push more money to later years, but that is only going to hurt more in 4 or 5 years when he is wearing down, or not playing at all, but takes up a huge part of the cap. Take the hit now while your atleast getting production for it.

Teams do it all the time

Vikes sign him to a 4 year deal and pay him 12 mil this year but 8 of that could be singing bonus so only 2 of the bonus and 4 for base salary hit this years cap so the team freed up 4.7 mil in cap space

Hit that dead on. It is Capology 101.

Happens all the time and is a big reason teams can duck around the cap so freely.

Purple Floyd
07-20-2011, 03:38 AM
Looks like it is time to cut Peterson.

BLASPHEMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JK...You are kidding, right!? ;)


Those numbers make no sense...unless they're still counting the Favre against us!? Other than BF, with all the restrictions, we didn't sign any big money guys last season at all, in fact, who was our last big contract!? Most of the flurry of guys we signed early in Chilly's reign are coming up on the end of their contracts...Leber, Madieu, BB, Hutch?

Boy O Boy!! When this ball gets a rolling, it is going to be one hell of an avalanche rolling down the mountain!

The players want shorter contracts and the owners want less payroll, which could easily add up to lots more Free Agents available than ever before (especially with last year's crop still in limbo!) Then you also have all the Undrafted Free Agents from this year's rookies still out there and only about a week til training camp starts!

We are probably going to see one hell of a flurry of FA visits/signings/rumors/etc!!! I hope we have a lil cap space to resign Rice, Leber, Greenway and AP, and maybe still have a bit left to upgrade S and/or DT depth!?!

I can't wait!!! SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo:

Those contracts, like our current social security program, were back loaded. It made it nice for a few years but now the chickens are coming home to roost.

jargomcfargo
07-20-2011, 03:29 PM
Looks like it is time to cut Peterson.

BLASPHEMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JK...You are kidding, right!? ;)


Those numbers make no sense...unless they're still counting the Favre against us!? Other than BF, with all the restrictions, we didn't sign any big money guys last season at all, in fact, who was our last big contract!? Most of the flurry of guys we signed early in Chilly's reign are coming up on the end of their contracts...Leber, Madieu, BB, Hutch?

Boy O Boy!! When this ball gets a rolling, it is going to be one hell of an avalanche rolling down the mountain!

The players want shorter contracts and the owners want less payroll, which could easily add up to lots more Free Agents available than ever before (especially with last year's crop still in limbo!) Then you also have all the Undrafted Free Agents from this year's rookies still out there and only about a week til training camp starts!

We are probably going to see one hell of a flurry of FA visits/signings/rumors/etc!!! I hope we have a lil cap space to resign Rice, Leber, Greenway and AP, and maybe still have a bit left to upgrade S and/or DT depth!?!

I can't wait!!! SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo:

Those contracts, like our current social security program, were back loaded. It made it nice for a few years but now the chickens are coming home to roost.

Let's look at some of this years contract numbers for vets that could end up as cap casualties.I left some high salaried players off because they are unlikely to get cut and added some lower salaried players that may get cut.


http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/min/

This site shows all the player contracts and terms. It does not just give a ball park figure.

Player - Pos - Salary
Anthony Herrera – G – $2,650,000.00
Antoine Winfield – CB – $6,750,000.00
Bernard Berrian – WR – $3,900,000.00
E.J. Henderson – LB – $4,700,000.00
Emmanuel Arceneaux – WR – $575,000.00
Erin Henderson – LB – $1,200,000.00
Greg Camarillo – WR – $1,700,000.00
Heath Farwell – LB – $1,750,000.00
Jaymar Johnson – WR – $550,000.00
Jeff Dugan – RB – $775,000.00
Jim Kleinsasser – TE – $3,000,000.00
Jimmy Kennedy – DT – $2,500,000.00
Jon Cooper – C – $480,000.00
Madieu Williams – S – $5,400,000.00
Tyrell Johnson – S – $1,155,000.00

Will the vikings sign any of these free agents?


Ben Leber – LB – 2011: Free Agent
Eric Frampton – S – 2011: Free Agent
Frank Walker – CB – 2011: Free Agent
Fred Evans – DT – 2011: Free Agent
Greg Lewis – WR – 2011: Free Agent
Naufahu Tahi – FB – 2011: Free Agent
Pat Williams – DT – 2011: Free Agent
Ray Edwards – DE – 2011: Free Agent
Ryan Cook – OT – 2011: Free Agent
Ryan Longwell – K – 2011: Free Agent
Sidney Rice – WR – 2011: Free Agent
Tarvaris Jackson – QB – 2011: Free Agent
DeAndre Wright DB

MaxVike
07-20-2011, 03:41 PM
My thoughts:


Extend AD's contract, lowering his 2011 hit if possible. A young QB needs a good RB.

Let Berrian go...not worth more than $1MM IMO.

Let Madieu Williams go...great guy, simply has not performed.

Lower Bryant McKinnie's salary, or, let him go. Way overpaid. I realize a young QB needs a good LT...that's my point. Sad to say though, he may be our best option; still.

Kleinsasser, last year of his contract...love the guy, but, not sure he's worth $3MM. Try to renegotiate his salary...

Ced Griffin...may need to move on if he isn't healed sufficiently.

Try to sign Sidney Rice, but, don't pay too much.

Sounds simple, but, it obviously isn't. According to Pat Kirwan, we have a top 5 salary cap guy...hopefully, he's correct.

vikinggreg
07-20-2011, 06:50 PM
My thoughts:


Extend AD's contract, lowering his 2011 hit if possible. A young QB needs a good RB.

Let Berrian go...not worth more than $1MM IMO.

Let Madieu Williams go...great guy, simply has not performed.

Lower Bryant McKinnie's salary, or, let him go. Way overpaid. I realize a young QB needs a good LT...that's my point. Sad to say though, he may be our best option; still.

Kleinsasser, last year of his contract...love the guy, but, not sure he's worth $3MM. Try to renegotiate his salary...

Ced Griffin...may need to move on if he isn't healed sufficiently.

Try to sign Sidney Rice, but, don't pay too much.

Sounds simple, but, it obviously isn't. According to Pat Kirwan, we have a top 5 salary cap guy...hopefully, he's correct.

One thing to remember when releasing guys like Berrian and M Williams etc while this years salary is removed the remaining years of signing bonus hit now but if the guys are in the last year of their contract that doesn't really matter much.

Tad7
07-21-2011, 01:36 PM
My thoughts:


Extend AD's contract, lowering his 2011 hit if possible. A young QB needs a good RB.

Let Berrian go...not worth more than $1MM IMO.

Let Madieu Williams go...great guy, simply has not performed.

Lower Bryant McKinnie's salary, or, let him go. Way overpaid. I realize a young QB needs a good LT...that's my point. Sad to say though, he may be our best option; still.

Kleinsasser, last year of his contract...love the guy, but, not sure he's worth $3MM. Try to renegotiate his salary...

Ced Griffin...may need to move on if he isn't healed sufficiently.

Try to sign Sidney Rice, but, don't pay too much.

Sounds simple, but, it obviously isn't. According to Pat Kirwan, we have a top 5 salary cap guy...hopefully, he's correct.
The first 3 are the must-do's, McKinnie will leave before he takes less money, never even thought about Kleinsasser's 3 mill but I agree, I hope Ced is good to go, and unfortunately Sidney Rice is almost definitely gone..there's a huge offer out there somewhere for him.

jargomcfargo
07-21-2011, 03:34 PM
Not a great article but has a few interesting comments.


http://thevikingage.com/2011/07/20/ten-vikings-that-could-be-cap-casualties-to-free-up-30-million/

AngloVike
07-21-2011, 07:37 PM
One thing to remember when releasing guys like Berrian and M Williams etc while this years salary is removed the remaining years of signing bonus hit now but if the guys are in the last year of their contract that doesn't really matter much.

and in Berrian's case his previous seasons haven't mattered much either :laugh:
I'd rather see the money spent on someone worth the effort of dressing for the roster on a Sunday.

MaxVike
08-02-2011, 11:53 PM
My thoughts:


Extend AD's contract, lowering his 2011 hit if possible. A young QB needs a good RB.

Let Berrian go...not worth more than $1MM IMO.

Let Madieu Williams go...great guy, simply has not performed.

Lower Bryant McKinnie's salary, or, let him go. Way overpaid. I realize a young QB needs a good LT...that's my point. Sad to say though, he may be our best option; still.

Kleinsasser, last year of his contract...love the guy, but, not sure he's worth $3MM. Try to renegotiate his salary...

Ced Griffin...may need to move on if he isn't healed sufficiently.

Try to sign Sidney Rice, but, don't pay too much.

Sounds simple, but, it obviously isn't. According to Pat Kirwan, we have a top 5 salary cap guy...hopefully, he's correct.

AD, I think it's coming.

I don't mind the compromise reached with Berrian, a win for the Vikes and one for him...if he performs, he will get more moola, which, he ain't getting anywhere else.

Frazier has balls, and principle. McKinnie WAS doing the rest of the Team an injust with his immaturity and lack of commitment. Ultimately, letting him go was necessary...completely agree.

Madieu - just was never the same after he hurt his neck. He became a liability on the field, a must move. Wonderful person, I wish him the best and would love to meet him some day.

Kleinny, hey, perhaps they value a 275lb mobile Tackle...he's a beast, and, a true Viking. He really does do alot of damage in the run game.

No news on Ced must mean he's doing well, that's good.

Sidney...way too expensive.

Overall, I think the FO (I will not call them pukes Marr) made the right moves with these players...so far.

dfosterf
08-03-2011, 02:14 AM
You guys could'nt find a capologist if you paid him as a consultant.

AFTER re-signing Mr. JAMES Jones, the PACK is STILL well better

than

TEN MILLION

below the cap. Have a nice day. :laugh:

I ALREADY EXPLAINED TO YOU how the Pack's payroll got so high last year, but AS USUAL, you CASUAL kind of NFL fans did not listen, again. imo.


We were precisely 62k under the cap the day the league announced cap figures. At that time, they announced the Vikes were 4.1 million OVER the cap. I don't know if that is at all accurate, but I DO KNOW that my team is NOT OUT TRYING TO BUY SOME LEGITIMACY, yet AGAIN. :P


:laugh:

MaxVike
08-03-2011, 02:48 AM
You guys could'nt find a capologist if you paid him as a consultant.

AFTER re-signing Mr. JAMES Jones, the PACK is STILL well better

than

TEN MILLION

below the cap. Have a nice day. :laugh:

Forgive me, I don't give a fuck about your explanation, which, by the way, has nothing to do with my points.

I ALREADY EXPLAINED TO YOU how the Pack's payroll got so high last year, but AS USUAL, you CASUAL kind of NFL fans did not listen, again. imo.


We were precisely 62k under the cap the day the league announced cap figures. At that time, they announced the Vikes were 4.1 million OVER the cap. I don't know if that is at all accurate, but I DO KNOW that my team is NOT OUT TRYING TO BUY SOME LEGITIMACY, yet AGAIN. :P


:laugh:

dfosterf
08-03-2011, 03:10 AM
http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp207/dfosterf/ratsforVikes.png

Purple Floyd
08-03-2011, 06:08 PM
http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp207/dfosterf/ratsforVikes.png

Now that one is funny lol.

You are just jealous of the junk in our trunk.:P

FuadFan
08-03-2011, 08:50 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/03/as-of-tuesday-seven-teams-were-over-the-cap/



Per a source with knowledge of the cap numbers, here are the seven teams that were in the red: Raiders ($17.3 million), Steelers ($11.5 million), Texans ($8.5 million), Vikings ($5.6 million), Lions ($5 million), Cowboys ($3.7 million), and Panthers ($939,000).


Unknown if these figures are before or after McKinnie got cut so we may just be a couple hundred thousand over.

vikinggreg
08-04-2011, 12:12 AM
You guys could'nt find a capologist if you paid him as a consultant.

AFTER re-signing Mr. JAMES Jones, the PACK is STILL well better

than

TEN MILLION

below the cap. Have a nice day. :laugh:

I ALREADY EXPLAINED TO YOU how the Pack's payroll got so high last year, but AS USUAL, you CASUAL kind of NFL fans did not listen, again. imo.


We were precisely 62k under the cap the day the league announced cap figures. At that time, they announced the Vikes were 4.1 million OVER the cap. I don't know if that is at all accurate, but I DO KNOW that my team is NOT OUT TRYING TO BUY SOME LEGITIMACY, yet AGAIN. :P


:laugh:

Well I should hope the packers would be with in the cap since Wolf was the poster boy for the owners saying the packers couldn't keep operating in the league in the direction that things were headed, now they have more capital to buy Jersay swamp land as an investment, do they need another 25 mil worth, I'm sure Zygi can set them up with more he is try to get a staduim done and probably needs some cash.