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Traveling_Vike
05-16-2011, 05:50 AM
The NFLN countdown of the top 100 players of 2011 aired its third installment tonight. First man up, at slot number 80, was our own Jared Allen.

Then came the review show, and the guys were up in flames about it. They all agreed that he should have been ranked MUCH higher. Jay Glazer in particular looked like he was about to blow a gasket.

Can't say that I blame him. JA is one of the best at his position, and even with a slow start in 2010, he finished strong.

The thing that really got me, though was this. Our Vikings have only three players in the top 100. OK, I can live with that as we had a poor season and still ended up with an average number of players making it. Each team should average just a hair over three guys, with 32 clubs and 100 slots available.

Packers with 7, OK, I get it, they won the big one. Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Atlanta with 5 each, OK, I can see that.

So, then... why do the Cowboys get SIX?

They had a worse season than us, with an equal record and a loss to us. And please do not give me the media hype, "America's Team" attention thing. This was voted on by the players, not fans. They are much less influenced by such things.

The other things is, with Jared coming in lowest, with only two more slots remaning to us, quite a few guys are getting snubbed. The higher two have got to be Harvin and Peterson, no question. But there are other deserving Vikings who have been left out, for the likes of McNabb, Romo and some other less deserving guys. I get the feeling that some of the players really did not understand just what it was they were supposed to be voting on.

Oh, and the fan tweets and stuff that they were airing, some of those were beyond laughable. Fans always look for the glamor positions, the skill guys who make big impact highlight film plays, and tend to ignore the less glamorous, hardworking guys like linemen. In this respect, I give the players the nod for their familiarity with their teammates and opponents. I don't really know how good a Chris Snee really is, but I'll take the guys' word for it.

Anyway, congrats to Jared Allen for making the list, but you got shafted, dude. You should be a top 40 guy, at least, IMO.

12purplepride28
05-16-2011, 09:03 AM
Where are you getting that the Vikings have 3 players in the top 100? I'm 99% sure we only have 2.

After confirmation, I'm 100% sure.
Strib (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/121714049.html)


So obviously it's Jared Allen and Brett Favre in the top 100. I thought at least AP would crack the top 100...

i_bleed_purple
05-16-2011, 12:32 PM
I'm betting it's Peterson, not Favre as the other one for us.

singersp
05-16-2011, 12:58 PM
I'm betting it's Peterson, not Favre as the other one for us.

+1

Of course it's AD. It's the top NFL players of 2011. Favre's retired (as of today, but it's not preseason yet) No way in hell was he in the top 100 players of 2010 either, not even close. Top 1,000 maybe.

marshallvike
05-16-2011, 02:36 PM
I'm betting it's Peterson, not Favre as the other one for us.

+1

Of course it's AD. It's the top NFL players of 2011. Favre's retired (as of today, but it's not preseason yet) No way in hell was he in the top 100 players of 2010 either, not even close. Top 1,000 maybe.

Agreed on Peterson. How high do you think Peterson will be on the list?
JA probably would have been higher on the list if the middle of our line had gotten any push last year. Hopefully that lack of middle pressure doesn't repeat this year.

Mr Anderson
05-16-2011, 04:18 PM
I caught that as I was flipping around last night. #80 is ridiculous for Allen, I have no explanation for why other players would've voted him so low.

So where are they going to put Peppers and Freeney?

If Allen is 80, those two should be 79 and 78. Allen has better numbers than both of them. But something tells me those guys, Peppers in particular, are going to be really high on this list.

jargomcfargo
05-16-2011, 04:36 PM
Individual rankings in a team sport are always going to be a bit controversial.
Statistics would say JA should probably be ranked higher. But maybe players think he is not as talented as his stats. Who knows?

JA is a naturally gifted athelete. Certainly one of the elite at his position.
Put a healthy in shape KW next to him and you have half of an insanely talented D-line.
The other half needs a little work still.

12purplepride28
05-16-2011, 06:02 PM
Holy hell, did people take my Favre joke seriously? Obviously it's AP. I can't tell if the replies are sarcastic or if people take it seriously. Of course it's Allen and AP. Others worth consideration IMO: Greenway, Rice, Harvin, Kevin Williams, and Winfield. A couple of these (Rice and Harvin) are on my list based solely on some of the other people that made it, such as Mcnabb. Oh and tarvaris should be on it, he's really good, I read it on here.

Traveling_Vike
05-16-2011, 06:23 PM
Where are you getting that the Vikings have 3 players in the top 100? I'm 99% sure we only have 2.


I must have misheard that during the broadcast, I was pretty sure they had said three.

In any case that just reinforces my case even more. We get two, Cowboys get six?

And if Percy is out as well, how the hell can anyone justify that?

This group of ten if by far teh most controversial thus far. It may get worse yet, but I kind of doubt it. There were several people from 80-71 who were significantly misplaced (IMO, and I am not alone)) in both directions.

gregair13
05-16-2011, 06:36 PM
I saw the first show, but have not had a chance to watch the 90-81 yet. The thing you have to think about when getting your panties in a bunch when someone does not make it is who you have to take out for them to make it. The last receiver on the list was TO; for Harvin to make it, at least TO has to come out. Harvin has missed too many games to be on the list. Same with Rice. Both guys are talented enough to make it, but have not been on the field enough to be considered in the top 100 players in the whole NFL.

Obviously, Peterson is going to be on the list, but how high? I think he belongs in the top 10.

12purplepride28
05-16-2011, 07:15 PM
I think the top 5 will be:

AP, Rodgers, Brady, Manning, and Tarvaris.

kevoncox
05-16-2011, 07:26 PM
$100.00 says CJ will be above AP

midgensa
05-16-2011, 08:14 PM
$100.00 says CJ will be above AP

If I had the money to take that bet I would ... AP will be the highest running back

Mr Anderson
05-16-2011, 08:55 PM
$100.00 says CJ will be above AP

If I had the money to take that bet I would ... AP will be the highest running back
If it were fan voting I'd be with Kevon, but players voted on this(I think), and I believe they all know that Adrian Peterson is a better player than Chris Johnson.

HEY
05-16-2011, 09:45 PM
I think the top 5 will be:

AP, Rodgers, Brady, Manning, and Tarvaris.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, and :blink:

midgensa
05-16-2011, 10:02 PM
$100.00 says CJ will be above AP

If I had the money to take that bet I would ... AP will be the highest running back
If it were fan voting I'd be with Kevon, but players voted on this(I think), and I believe they all know that Adrian Peterson is a better player than Chris Johnson.

Yep.

Traveling_Vike
05-16-2011, 10:24 PM
I saw the first show, but have not had a chance to watch the 90-81 yet. The thing you have to think about when getting your panties in a bunch when someone does not make it is who you have to take out for them to make it. The last receiver on the list was TO; for Harvin to make it, at least TO has to come out.

I disagree. Any player could come out, not just one at the same position. McNabb and Romo did not belong on this list at all, so there are two right off the bat.


Harvin has missed too many games to be on the list. Same with Rice. Both guys are talented enough to make it, but have not been on the field enough to be considered in the top 100 players in the whole NFL.

OK, I can buy that, at least. If the players were actually paying attention enough to know who was out when they weren't playing against them. Possibly film study for future opponents plays a role here.


Obviously, Peterson is going to be on the list, but how high? I
think he belongs in the top 10.

I'd hope that he's top ten. It's hard to guess, though, what the players thought when voting. I am convinced that there were many different interpretations among them as to just what they were voting for. Best players during the 2010 season? Best should-be players in 2011? Best body of work? Best RECENT body of work? Closest friends in the league? Who knows what any given player's votes were based on.

All I know is, the Vikings players were penalized for a poor team showing, where other teams were not.

Traveling_Vike
05-16-2011, 10:37 PM
I think the top 5 will be:

AP, Rodgers, Brady, Manning, and Tarvaris.

Barring the obvious joke, you could be right. I kind of doubt it, though, at least int he cases of AP and Rodgers.

I don't expect to see three QBs in the top four slots. Also, I don't think that Rodgers is the third best QB playing right now, either. I'd put Brees, Rivers and Ryan and maybe Schaub or even Cassell (for the one season only) ahead of him right now. He could make it, though, based on his being the QB of the SB Champs. Will the players agree?

As for AP, again, he might, but putting him up there with three QBs and totally ignoring any defensive players, receivers, linemen... if it were a fan vote, yeah, fans are easily swayed by flash and big offensive plays. Players are not. They know who's good and bad, because they play with and against each other. Now, to be fair, I still believe that they were not clearly advised what criteria they should use, which lends to confusion, but all in all I think you'll see more grinders and defensive guys ranked highly than you would in a fan-based poll.

gregair13
05-17-2011, 12:19 AM
$100.00 says CJ will be above AP

If I had the money to take that bet I would ... AP will be the highest running back
If it were fan voting I'd be with Kevon, but players voted on this(I think), and I believe they all know that Adrian Peterson is a better player than Chris Johnson.
I would bet a case of beer AP > CJ

gregair13
05-17-2011, 12:26 AM
All I know is, the Vikings players were penalized for a poor team showing, where other teams were not.

When the idea for the list came out, I thought maybe one or two Vikings at best. Besides Allen (who already on the list) and obviously AP (who will be on the list), who else is really deserving from last years performance? Maybe Hutch, but after that we do not have anyone deserving. Rice and Harvin you can make arguments for but like I already pointed out, injuries. No one on the defence is even close. I think I would have left off Allen as well. He is a great player no doubt, but he was freaking terrible last year.

b_sandhar_29
05-17-2011, 01:20 AM
Rodgers is good... but I dont' think he's top 5 yet... probably around top 11, I think Revis definitely has to be in the top 5. Manning, Brady, Adrian, Revis, and maybe Andre Johnson... or I think a surprise would be Suh... I'm disappointed that Kevin Williams wasn't on the list. If it was last year then yeah he doesn't deserve it, but if Tony Homo is on the list he should definitely be on there too

b_sandhar_29
05-17-2011, 01:21 AM
What about Romo hardly played last year.

singersp
05-17-2011, 01:31 AM
I'm betting it's Peterson, not Favre as the other one for us.

+1

Of course it's AD. It's the top NFL players of 2011. Favre's retired (as of today, but it's not preseason yet) No way in hell was he in the top 100 players of 2010 either, not even close. Top 1,000 maybe.

Agreed on Peterson. How high do you think Peterson will be on the list?
JA probably would have been higher on the list if the middle of our line had gotten any push last year. Hopefully that lack of middle pressure doesn't repeat this year.

I don't even want to venture a guess, but I'm thinking he'll be rated higher than he should. The people rating him, as well as all the others, are looking at highlight reels & clips of games.

What they won't see, that Vikings fans have seen (some try to glaze over it) is that AD does get a lot of losses, 0 gains or 1 yard gains. It's his incredible runs that don't happen frequent enough or when he breaks a long one that get all the attention.

What I liked about the 2010 AD, is his lack of fumbles. I hope we see that carry over into 2011.

Mr Anderson
05-17-2011, 01:37 AM
I'm betting it's Peterson, not Favre as the other one for us.

+1

Of course it's AD. It's the top NFL players of 2011. Favre's retired (as of today, but it's not preseason yet) No way in hell was he in the top 100 players of 2010 either, not even close. Top 1,000 maybe.

Agreed on Peterson. How high do you think Peterson will be on the list?
JA probably would have been higher on the list if the middle of our line had gotten any push last year. Hopefully that lack of middle pressure doesn't repeat this year.

I don't even want to venture a guess, but I'm thinking he'll be rated higher than he should. The people rating him, as well as all the others, are looking at highlight reels & clips of games.

What they won't see, that Vikings fans have seen (some try to glaze over it) is that AD does get a lot of losses, 0 gains or 1 yard gains. It's his incredible runs that don't happen frequent enough or when he breaks a long one that get all the attention.

What I liked about the 2010 AD, is his lack of fumbles. I hope we see that carry over into 2011.
And how may of those no-gains and losses are his fault? A handful a year when he's not patient enough?

V4L
05-17-2011, 08:34 PM
I'm betting it's Peterson, not Favre as the other one for us.

+1

Of course it's AD. It's the top NFL players of 2011. Favre's retired (as of today, but it's not preseason yet) No way in hell was he in the top 100 players of 2010 either, not even close. Top 1,000 maybe.

Agreed on Peterson. How high do you think Peterson will be on the list?
JA probably would have been higher on the list if the middle of our line had gotten any push last year. Hopefully that lack of middle pressure doesn't repeat this year.

I don't even want to venture a guess, but I'm thinking he'll be rated higher than he should. The people rating him, as well as all the others, are looking at highlight reels & clips of games.

What they won't see, that Vikings fans have seen (some try to glaze over it) is that AD does get a lot of losses, 0 gains or 1 yard gains. It's his incredible runs that don't happen frequent enough or when he breaks a long one that get all the attention.

What I liked about the 2010 AD, is his lack of fumbles. I hope we see that carry over into 2011.
And how may of those no-gains and losses are his fault? A handful a year when he's not patient enough?

Exactly.. And he's the best after contact.. He makes the most outta shitty line

jmcdon00
05-17-2011, 10:22 PM
I'm betting it's Peterson, not Favre as the other one for us.

+1

Of course it's AD. It's the top NFL players of 2011. Favre's retired (as of today, but it's not preseason yet) No way in hell was he in the top 100 players of 2010 either, not even close. Top 1,000 maybe.

Agreed on Peterson. How high do you think Peterson will be on the list?
JA probably would have been higher on the list if the middle of our line had gotten any push last year. Hopefully that lack of middle pressure doesn't repeat this year.

I don't even want to venture a guess, but I'm thinking he'll be rated higher than he should. The people rating him, as well as all the others, are looking at highlight reels & clips of games.

What they won't see, that Vikings fans have seen (some try to glaze over it) is that AD does get a lot of losses, 0 gains or 1 yard gains. It's his incredible runs that don't happen frequent enough or when he breaks a long one that get all the attention.

What I liked about the 2010 AD, is his lack of fumbles. I hope we see that carry over into 2011.
It would be nice if you had some proof to back up that claim. All backs have a lot of short gains and losses. I would bet Chris Johnson has a higher percentage of both. But I can't find any stats on it.
I think the players that play the game though will consider more than just highlights(although the NFL is a big play league and big play makers win games). I think his peers recognize that he runs hard every carry, even the ones for -1 yard.

slavinator
05-17-2011, 10:48 PM
All I know is, the Vikings players were penalized for a poor team showing, where other teams were not.

When the idea for the list came out, I thought maybe one or two Vikings at best. Besides Allen (who already on the list) and obviously AP (who will be on the list), who else is really deserving from last years performance? Maybe Hutch, but after that we do not have anyone deserving. Rice and Harvin you can make arguments for but like I already pointed out, injuries. No one on the defence is even close. I think I would have left off Allen as well. He is a great player no doubt, but he was freaking terrible last year.

I would venture a guess that Greenway or even Antoine make the list.......if for no other reason than its other players and the respect that they have for our guys. Other than that I agree with what you are saying.

gregair13
05-17-2011, 11:18 PM
All I know is, the Vikings players were penalized for a poor team showing, where other teams were not.

When the idea for the list came out, I thought maybe one or two Vikings at best. Besides Allen (who already on the list) and obviously AP (who will be on the list), who else is really deserving from last years performance? Maybe Hutch, but after that we do not have anyone deserving. Rice and Harvin you can make arguments for but like I already pointed out, injuries. No one on the defence is even close. I think I would have left off Allen as well. He is a great player no doubt, but he was freaking terrible last year.

I would venture a guess that Greenway or even Antoine make the list.......if for no other reason than its other players and the respect that they have for our guys. Other than that I agree with what you are saying.
They should have somewhere how many each team has on the list. I know the Steelers only have 4 and the cowboys have 6. Browns have 2. Seattle has none. Not sure what our number is, but I believe it is 2 or 3. Can someone confirm that?

12purplepride28
05-18-2011, 01:14 AM
All I know is, the Vikings players were penalized for a poor team showing, where other teams were not.

When the idea for the list came out, I thought maybe one or two Vikings at best. Besides Allen (who already on the list) and obviously AP (who will be on the list), who else is really deserving from last years performance? Maybe Hutch, but after that we do not have anyone deserving. Rice and Harvin you can make arguments for but like I already pointed out, injuries. No one on the defence is even close. I think I would have left off Allen as well. He is a great player no doubt, but he was freaking terrible last year.

I would venture a guess that Greenway or even Antoine make the list.......if for no other reason than its other players and the respect that they have for our guys. Other than that I agree with what you are saying.
They should have somewhere how many each team has on the list. I know the Steelers only have 4 and the cowboys have 6. Browns have 2. Seattle has none. Not sure what our number is, but I believe it is 2 or 3. Can someone confirm that?

It's 2. I posted the link on the first page

slavinator
05-18-2011, 06:47 PM
All I know is, the Vikings players were penalized for a poor team showing, where other teams were not.

When the idea for the list came out, I thought maybe one or two Vikings at best. Besides Allen (who already on the list) and obviously AP (who will be on the list), who else is really deserving from last years performance? Maybe Hutch, but after that we do not have anyone deserving. Rice and Harvin you can make arguments for but like I already pointed out, injuries. No one on the defence is even close. I think I would have left off Allen as well. He is a great player no doubt, but he was freaking terrible last year.

I would venture a guess that Greenway or even Antoine make the list.......if for no other reason than its other players and the respect that they have for our guys. Other than that I agree with what you are saying.
They should have somewhere how many each team has on the list. I know the Steelers only have 4 and the cowboys have 6. Browns have 2. Seattle has none. Not sure what our number is, but I believe it is 2 or 3. Can someone confirm that?

It's 2. I posted the link on the first page

So then its JA and AP........

jmcdon00
05-18-2011, 07:38 PM
All I know is, the Vikings players were penalized for a poor team showing, where other teams were not.

When the idea for the list came out, I thought maybe one or two Vikings at best. Besides Allen (who already on the list) and obviously AP (who will be on the list), who else is really deserving from last years performance? Maybe Hutch, but after that we do not have anyone deserving. Rice and Harvin you can make arguments for but like I already pointed out, injuries. No one on the defence is even close. I think I would have left off Allen as well. He is a great player no doubt, but he was freaking terrible last year.

I would venture a guess that Greenway or even Antoine make the list.......if for no other reason than its other players and the respect that they have for our guys. Other than that I agree with what you are saying.
They should have somewhere how many each team has on the list. I know the Steelers only have 4 and the cowboys have 6. Browns have 2. Seattle has none. Not sure what our number is, but I believe it is 2 or 3. Can someone confirm that?

It's 2. I posted the link on the first page

So then its JA and AP........
Pretty amazing since we had 8 in the probowl the prior year. Granted that's not the same as the hundred best but still a pretty remarkable drop off in talent.
The 8 were:
Peterson
Allen
Kevin Williams
Brett Favre
Sidney rice
Bryant McKinnie
Steve Hutchinson
Antoine winfield

slavinator
05-18-2011, 08:28 PM
All I know is, the Vikings players were penalized for a poor team showing, where other teams were not.

When the idea for the list came out, I thought maybe one or two Vikings at best. Besides Allen (who already on the list) and obviously AP (who will be on the list), who else is really deserving from last years performance? Maybe Hutch, but after that we do not have anyone deserving. Rice and Harvin you can make arguments for but like I already pointed out, injuries. No one on the defence is even close. I think I would have left off Allen as well. He is a great player no doubt, but he was freaking terrible last year.

I would venture a guess that Greenway or even Antoine make the list.......if for no other reason than its other players and the respect that they have for our guys. Other than that I agree with what you are saying.
They should have somewhere how many each team has on the list. I know the Steelers only have 4 and the cowboys have 6. Browns have 2. Seattle has none. Not sure what our number is, but I believe it is 2 or 3. Can someone confirm that?

It's 2. I posted the link on the first page

So then its JA and AP........
Pretty amazing since we had 8 in the probowl the prior year. Granted that's not the same as the hundred best but still a pretty remarkable drop off in talent.
The 8 were:
Peterson
Allen
Kevin Williams
Brett Favre
Sidney rice
Bryant McKinnie**Steve Hutchinson
Antoine winfield

I bolded and asterisked the appropriate player above for getting to the pro-bowl on Votes and then royally screwing it up for himself.......

gregair13
05-19-2011, 06:40 PM
I guess the rest of the league doesn't respect us.