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Marrdro
03-24-2011, 06:03 PM
While coach Leslie Frazier would like to keep opponents guessing about what changes they will see when the NFL lockout ends, there is one legitimate reason why he is unable to get into more detail. Frazier and Musgrave don't know who their quarterback will be and a good part of how their offense will operate will be based on who's running it.

That point alone should make Vikings fans extremely happy.

As Frazier spoke this week at the NFL owners meetings, it was clear Musgrave's approach will be far less rigid than Childress'. Under Childress, the new quarterback would have been expected to learn a system already in place. Frazier and Musgrave appear willing to adjust their ideas to fit the strengths of whoever is under center.



Mystery offense will feature play-makers
(http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/118548199.html)
Ohhh Lord. You guys know what this means...... They are going to draft a kid and then build the team around him. Most of you will like that, however, I don't.

That means rebuilding and starting over.

Damn I hate rebuilding.

Marrdro can be heard chanting........KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB........

In the end, I find it absolutely ludicrous that they would completely revamp the offense to fit one guy instead of draft a guy who fits the talent already on the team.

No wonder Rice wants to leave.

Marrdro
03-24-2011, 06:06 PM
The more I think of this, the more pissed I'm getting......


We have some ideas of what we want it to look like, but until you get him under center and get him to work through the system, so you can start saying, 'OK, we thought this was going to be good for him, but maybe not. Let's take that out, let's put this in' -- until you find out who that's going to be, it's just information right now."


In other words, hey we think we told the scouts what kindof guy we wanted but they either didn't understand us or they went out and got someone that didn't fit.

Again I say hogwash.

slavinator
03-24-2011, 06:37 PM
The more I think of this, the more pissed I'm getting......


We have some ideas of what we want it to look like, but until you get him under center and get him to work through the system, so you can start saying, 'OK, we thought this was going to be good for him, but maybe not. Let's take that out, let's put this in' -- until you find out who that's going to be, it's just information right now."


In other words, hey we think we told the scouts what kindof guy we wanted but they either didn't understand us or they went out and got someone that didn't fit.

Again I say hogwash.

I can see why there is concern. I take this more as there will be a guy (Drafted, FA, or Webb) and they are going to suit the style of offense to thier strengths. I would still envision a heavy dose of AP and Toby to keep the opposition honest, but I view this as more of a hedged statement than a complete and utter lack of direction.

If we stay with Webb we will look more like Chillers first few years with TJ. Run Right, run left, bootleg pass with 1-2 reads. I think that the same will hold true on a draft pick. That is unless they think they have the guy who will be our franchise QB ala Ryan, Flacco. Even still if you look at their rookie years they were heavily loaded run attacks and good defensive schemes. As Flacco and Ryan demonstrated their abilities they got more freedom to pass and open up the system.

The only way I see Musgrave putting his version offensive style of play into effect is potentially with a FA who grasps what NFL defenses are trying to do to negate our efforts. While this gives us the best chance to win now, we need to make a decision as to whether we are going to get a legit young QB and experience some growing pains in exchange for some long term stability.

dfosterf
03-24-2011, 06:44 PM
Now Marr, did you get a chance to see the first half of the first game GB @ Philly?

You'll be GD lucky if you can get Kolb to come out of the friggin' locker room vs. my Pack


lol

...just funnin'

Marrdro
03-24-2011, 06:53 PM
The more I think of this, the more pissed I'm getting......


We have some ideas of what we want it to look like, but until you get him under center and get him to work through the system, so you can start saying, 'OK, we thought this was going to be good for him, but maybe not. Let's take that out, let's put this in' -- until you find out who that's going to be, it's just information right now."


In other words, hey we think we told the scouts what kindof guy we wanted but they either didn't understand us or they went out and got someone that didn't fit.

Again I say hogwash.

I can see why there is concern. I take this more as there will be a guy (Drafted, FA, or Webb) and they are going to suit the style of offense to thier strengths. I would still envision a heavy dose of AP and Toby to keep the opposition honest, but I view this as more of a hedged statement than a complete and utter lack of direction.

If we stay with Webb we will look more like Chillers first few years with TJ. Run Right, run left, bootleg pass with 1-2 reads. I think that the same will hold true on a draft pick. That is unless they think they have the guy who will be our franchise QB ala Ryan, Flacco. Even still if you look at their rookie years they were heavily loaded run attacks and good defensive schemes. As Flacco and Ryan demonstrated their abilities they got more freedom to pass and open up the system.

The only way I see Musgrave putting his version offensive style of play into effect is potentially with a FA who grasps what NFL defenses are trying to do to negate our efforts. While this gives us the best chance to win now, we need to make a decision as to whether we are going to get a legit young QB and experience some growing pains in exchange for some long term stability.
I'm an tracking with all of that, with one exception. Musgroves style of offense is the WCO and a version/variant that closely resembles the Chillers/Bevs.

Go back to the threads were I've added fidelity to that comment (included play by play from the games).

In short, his style fits the players we already have/could have if resigned. Why would you draft a guy that doesn't fit that scheme if it means you are now going to have to teach the whole team the new scheme?

Nope, makes no sense. Ideally you have a established scheme that you draft the rookie into. He then learns the scheme and has a easier time doing it cause the rest of the team knows the scheme better than he does.

Doing it the other way, is exactly what we just went through with the Chiller........

The team was gutted and everyone had to learn the new offense. Again, absolutely ludicrous to try to go through all of that again especially when the pieces are in place to have a young kid atleast have a good chance of succeeding.

Wow am I miffed.

Marrdro
03-24-2011, 06:55 PM
Now Marr, did you get a chance to see the first half of the first game GB @ Philly?

You'll be GD lucky if you can get Kolb to come out of the friggin' locker room vs. my Pack


lol

...just funnin'
LOL, I hear ya my friend, but you must remember, all players have a bad day and can look like crap for a short spell. :laugh:

slavinator
03-24-2011, 07:02 PM
The more I think of this, the more pissed I'm getting......


We have some ideas of what we want it to look like, but until you get him under center and get him to work through the system, so you can start saying, 'OK, we thought this was going to be good for him, but maybe not. Let's take that out, let's put this in' -- until you find out who that's going to be, it's just information right now."


In other words, hey we think we told the scouts what kindof guy we wanted but they either didn't understand us or they went out and got someone that didn't fit.

Again I say hogwash.

I can see why there is concern. I take this more as there will be a guy (Drafted, FA, or Webb) and they are going to suit the style of offense to thier strengths. I would still envision a heavy dose of AP and Toby to keep the opposition honest, but I view this as more of a hedged statement than a complete and utter lack of direction.

If we stay with Webb we will look more like Chillers first few years with TJ. Run Right, run left, bootleg pass with 1-2 reads. I think that the same will hold true on a draft pick. That is unless they think they have the guy who will be our franchise QB ala Ryan, Flacco. Even still if you look at their rookie years they were heavily loaded run attacks and good defensive schemes. As Flacco and Ryan demonstrated their abilities they got more freedom to pass and open up the system.

The only way I see Musgrave putting his version offensive style of play into effect is potentially with a FA who grasps what NFL defenses are trying to do to negate our efforts. While this gives us the best chance to win now, we need to make a decision as to whether we are going to get a legit young QB and experience some growing pains in exchange for some long term stability.
I'm an tracking with all of that, with one exception. Musgroves style of offense is the WCO and a version/variant that closely resembles the Chillers/Bevs.

Go back to the threads were I've added fidelity to that comment (included play by play from the games).

In short, his style fits the players we already have/could have if resigned. Why would you draft a guy that doesn't fit that scheme if it means you are now going to have to teach the whole team the new scheme?

Nope, makes no sense. Ideally you have a established scheme that you draft the rookie into. He then learns the scheme and has a easier time doing it cause the rest of the team knows the scheme better than he does.

Doing it the other way, is exactly what we just went through with the Chiller........

The team was gutted and everyone had to learn the new offense. Again, absolutely ludicrous to try to go through all of that again especially when the pieces are in place to have a young kid atleast have a good chance of succeeding.

Wow am I miffed.

I can certainly track with that. Would you consider that it may be subtrefuge to keep the other teams off of a guy we covet in the draft? I dont see us making major changes to the scheme per se save for making it vanilla until we know exactly what we got at the QB position.

To me Dalton, and Ponder fit this style. Since Ponder is rocketing up draft boards it may be a way to throw others off.

Marrdro
03-24-2011, 07:07 PM
The more I think of this, the more pissed I'm getting......


We have some ideas of what we want it to look like, but until you get him under center and get him to work through the system, so you can start saying, 'OK, we thought this was going to be good for him, but maybe not. Let's take that out, let's put this in' -- until you find out who that's going to be, it's just information right now."


In other words, hey we think we told the scouts what kindof guy we wanted but they either didn't understand us or they went out and got someone that didn't fit.

Again I say hogwash.

I can see why there is concern. I take this more as there will be a guy (Drafted, FA, or Webb) and they are going to suit the style of offense to thier strengths. I would still envision a heavy dose of AP and Toby to keep the opposition honest, but I view this as more of a hedged statement than a complete and utter lack of direction.

If we stay with Webb we will look more like Chillers first few years with TJ. Run Right, run left, bootleg pass with 1-2 reads. I think that the same will hold true on a draft pick. That is unless they think they have the guy who will be our franchise QB ala Ryan, Flacco. Even still if you look at their rookie years they were heavily loaded run attacks and good defensive schemes. As Flacco and Ryan demonstrated their abilities they got more freedom to pass and open up the system.

The only way I see Musgrave putting his version offensive style of play into effect is potentially with a FA who grasps what NFL defenses are trying to do to negate our efforts. While this gives us the best chance to win now, we need to make a decision as to whether we are going to get a legit young QB and experience some growing pains in exchange for some long term stability.
I'm an tracking with all of that, with one exception. Musgroves style of offense is the WCO and a version/variant that closely resembles the Chillers/Bevs.

Go back to the threads were I've added fidelity to that comment (included play by play from the games).

In short, his style fits the players we already have/could have if resigned. Why would you draft a guy that doesn't fit that scheme if it means you are now going to have to teach the whole team the new scheme?

Nope, makes no sense. Ideally you have a established scheme that you draft the rookie into. He then learns the scheme and has a easier time doing it cause the rest of the team knows the scheme better than he does.

Doing it the other way, is exactly what we just went through with the Chiller........

The team was gutted and everyone had to learn the new offense. Again, absolutely ludicrous to try to go through all of that again especially when the pieces are in place to have a young kid atleast have a good chance of succeeding.

Wow am I miffed.

I can certainly track with that. Would you consider that it may be subtrefuge to keep the other teams off of a guy we covet in the draft? I dont see us making major changes to the scheme per se save for making it vanilla until we know exactly what we got at the QB position.

To me Dalton, and Ponder fit this style. Since Ponder is rocketing up draft boards it may be a way to throw others off.
I hope your right. You need to remind me what I tell everyone this time of year........."Don't believe a word you hear".....

Anyway, thanks. I have calmed a bit now with that post.B)

vikinggreg
03-24-2011, 07:10 PM
While coach Leslie Frazier would like to keep opponents guessing about what changes they will see when the NFL lockout ends, there is one legitimate reason why he is unable to get into more detail. Frazier and Musgrave don't know who their quarterback will be and a good part of how their offense will operate will be based on who's running it.

That point alone should make Vikings fans extremely happy.

As Frazier spoke this week at the NFL owners meetings, it was clear Musgrave's approach will be far less rigid than Childress'. Under Childress, the new quarterback would have been expected to learn a system already in place. Frazier and Musgrave appear willing to adjust their ideas to fit the strengths of whoever is under center.



Mystery offense will feature play-makers
(http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/118548199.html)
Ohhh Lord. You guys know what this means...... They are going to draft a kid and then build the team around him. Most of you will like that, however, I don't.

That means rebuilding and starting over.

Damn I hate rebuilding.

Marrdro can be heard chanting........KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB........

In the end, I find it absolutely ludicrous that they would completely revamp the offense to fit one guy instead of draft a guy who fits the talent already on the team.

No wonder Rice wants to leave.

it just means they have a couple of options

Webb, AP, Gerhart and Harvin in a heavy wildcat scheme :sick:

or 1st round drafted QB in a simple system :S

or a veteran QB in a more developed pro scheme :)

jmcdon00
03-24-2011, 07:26 PM
I think your reading too much into things Marrdro.

The offense at some level has to adapt to the QB. Even last year they called different plays depending whether Favre, Tjack or Webb was playing.

It would be silly to completely design an offense when one of several players could be your QB. Doesn't mean they are not targeting a certain type of Qb but even if you have two west coast QB's they are both going to have different strengths and weaknesses. Kolb and McNabb have different strengths. Gabbert or Newton have different strengths and weaknesses. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady have different strengths.

Like wise the offense will be different if you bring in a vet or a rookie. Not going to open up the entire playbook with a rookie.

Purple Floyd
03-24-2011, 07:34 PM
While coach Leslie Frazier would like to keep opponents guessing about what changes they will see when the NFL lockout ends, there is one legitimate reason why he is unable to get into more detail. Frazier and Musgrave don't know who their quarterback will be and a good part of how their offense will operate will be based on who's running it.

That point alone should make Vikings fans extremely happy.

As Frazier spoke this week at the NFL owners meetings, it was clear Musgrave's approach will be far less rigid than Childress'. Under Childress, the new quarterback would have been expected to learn a system already in place. Frazier and Musgrave appear willing to adjust their ideas to fit the strengths of whoever is under center.



Mystery offense will feature play-makers
(http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/118548199.html)
Ohhh Lord. You guys know what this means...... They are going to draft a kid and then build the team around him. Most of you will like that, however, I don't.

That means rebuilding and starting over.

Damn I hate rebuilding.

Marrdro can be heard chanting........KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB........

In the end, I find it absolutely ludicrous that they would completely revamp the offense to fit one guy instead of draft a guy who fits the talent already on the team.

No wonder Rice wants to leave.

Personally I have a strong belief that to use the existing talent on the team we need to revamp the offense because the old one didn't work with them. And apparently the coaches feel the same way.

jmcdon00
03-24-2011, 07:36 PM
While coach Leslie Frazier would like to keep opponents guessing about what changes they will see when the NFL lockout ends, there is one legitimate reason why he is unable to get into more detail. Frazier and Musgrave don't know who their quarterback will be and a good part of how their offense will operate will be based on who's running it.

That point alone should make Vikings fans extremely happy.

As Frazier spoke this week at the NFL owners meetings, it was clear Musgrave's approach will be far less rigid than Childress'. Under Childress, the new quarterback would have been expected to learn a system already in place. Frazier and Musgrave appear willing to adjust their ideas to fit the strengths of whoever is under center.



Mystery offense will feature play-makers
(http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/118548199.html)
Ohhh Lord. You guys know what this means...... They are going to draft a kid and then build the team around him. Most of you will like that, however, I don't.

That means rebuilding and starting over.

Damn I hate rebuilding.

Marrdro can be heard chanting........KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB........

In the end, I find it absolutely ludicrous that they would completely revamp the offense to fit one guy instead of draft a guy who fits the talent already on the team.

No wonder Rice wants to leave.

Personally I have a strong belief that to use the existing talent on the team we need to revamp the offense because the old one didn't work with them. And apparently the coaches feel the same way.
When healthy in 09 the offense worked great.

Purple Floyd
03-24-2011, 10:44 PM
That was 2 years ago and we will not have the same players on the roster.

Mr Anderson
03-24-2011, 11:00 PM
At least if we don't know what to expect neither will opposing defenses. That will be a nice change of pace.

vikinggreg
03-24-2011, 11:20 PM
At least if we don't know what to expect neither will opposing defenses. That will be a nice change of pace.

As long as he doesn't start using a Childressism like "fluid"

Right now our offense and QB position is in a fluid state

When Childress was saying stuff like that I started to think of him pissing into the wind and being all wet or in a fluid state :pinch:

MNgriff
03-24-2011, 11:20 PM
Something to be remembered in all of this is that Musgrave is going to have an uphill battle implementing anything this year, because he can't communicate with players until a deal is reached. My feeling is that whatever QB we have will get the new playbook at the same time as the rest of the team, because I doubt we see any OTA's or mini-camps to give the rest of the team a head start. In that light I can see why he's going to work around what will be the most inexperienced member of this team. Year one will be painful, but I still believe.

Freakout
03-24-2011, 11:39 PM
As it should be. We had enough forcing players into certain schemes under Childress.

I must say Marrdo. I figured you would be for this. Your boy Jackson might have looked decent in a more simplified offense.

It would have been equal to us trying to put a young Cpep into a west coast style offense. It would have been ugly.

slavinator
03-25-2011, 04:06 PM
At least if we don't know what to expect neither will opposing defenses. That will be a nice change of pace.

As long as he doesn't start using a Childressism like "fluid"

Right now our offense and QB position is in a fluid state

When Childress was saying stuff like that I started to think of him pissing into the wind and being all wet or in a fluid state :pinch:

2 great posts right there.........

delviking
03-25-2011, 04:58 PM
it seems fraziers says the right things, he doesnt divulge any information but doesnt go up tight about any question hes asked. this first draft will be very intresting to see what direction this team will be going either offense heavy or defense heavy, im thinking defense heavy with a QB, O-line man in there. but who knows i could be wrong could be O heavy with A Dline sprinkled in.

Marrdro
03-25-2011, 05:17 PM
I think your reading too much into things Marrdro.

The offense at some level has to adapt to the QB. Even last year they called different plays depending whether Favre, Tjack or Webb was playing.

It would be silly to completely design an offense when one of several players could be your QB. Doesn't mean they are not targeting a certain type of Qb but even if you have two west coast QB's they are both going to have different strengths and weaknesses. Kolb and McNabb have different strengths. Gabbert or Newton have different strengths and weaknesses. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady have different strengths.

Like wise the offense will be different if you bring in a vet or a rookie. Not going to open up the entire playbook with a rookie.
I hear ya my friend. As I said earlier, after I thought about it a bit I have cooled off.

Again, thanks for the voice of sanity to calm me down even further. ;)

Marrdro
03-25-2011, 05:23 PM
While coach Leslie Frazier would like to keep opponents guessing about what changes they will see when the NFL lockout ends, there is one legitimate reason why he is unable to get into more detail. Frazier and Musgrave don't know who their quarterback will be and a good part of how their offense will operate will be based on who's running it.

That point alone should make Vikings fans extremely happy.

As Frazier spoke this week at the NFL owners meetings, it was clear Musgrave's approach will be far less rigid than Childress'. Under Childress, the new quarterback would have been expected to learn a system already in place. Frazier and Musgrave appear willing to adjust their ideas to fit the strengths of whoever is under center.



Mystery offense will feature play-makers
(http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/118548199.html)
Ohhh Lord. You guys know what this means...... They are going to draft a kid and then build the team around him. Most of you will like that, however, I don't.

That means rebuilding and starting over.

Damn I hate rebuilding.

Marrdro can be heard chanting........KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB........

In the end, I find it absolutely ludicrous that they would completely revamp the offense to fit one guy instead of draft a guy who fits the talent already on the team.

No wonder Rice wants to leave.

Personally I have a strong belief that to use the existing talent on the team we need to revamp the offense because the old one didn't work with them. And apparently the coaches feel the same way.
Hmmmmmm, 08/09 back to back Div Championships. 08 first home playoff game in forever. 09 another playoff appearance. 09. NFC Championship game.

Seems like something was working. Could have probably made a playoff bid last year if we wouldn't have had so many injuries along with the missing bodies at camp.

Marrdro
03-25-2011, 05:24 PM
When healthy in 09 the offense worked great.
08 wasn't that bad either and that was with crapy QB play.

Marrdro
03-25-2011, 05:25 PM
That was 2 years ago and we will not have the same players on the roster.
How many players will be gone?

Marrdro
03-25-2011, 05:28 PM
Something to be remembered in all of this is that Musgrave is going to have an uphill battle implementing anything this year, because he can't communicate with players until a deal is reached. My feeling is that whatever QB we have will get the new playbook at the same time as the rest of the team, because I doubt we see any OTA's or mini-camps to give the rest of the team a head start. In that light I can see why he's going to work around what will be the most inexperienced member of this team. Year one will be painful, but I still believe.
But thats my point my friend. If you stick with the same version of the WCO, you don't have alot to put in.

Only ones that have to learn the verbiage, again if you stick with what you have, is the QB coach, the O-coord, and the QB.

If you put in a whole new scheme WR's, TE's, RB's, FB's, C's, G's, T's, and QB's have to learn it. Only one that doesn't have to learn it is the Coach.

Marrdro
03-25-2011, 05:31 PM
As it should be. We had enough forcing players into certain schemes under Childress.

I must say Marrdo. I figured you would be for this. Your boy Jackson might have looked decent in a more simplified offense.

It would have been equal to us trying to put a young Cpep into a west coast style offense. It would have been ugly.
First, my friend, you don't force players into a scheme. You bring players in that fit the scheme.

Second, TJ isn't my boy. I just think he is ready to play at this level now. Such a shame that we will find out with him on another team.

We did put Pep into a WCO scheme. What we did was teach him the scheme everyone else was comfortable with, over a years time, instead of making Cris, Randy, Robert, Jake etc etc etc etc learn a new scheme for Pep.

Marrdro
03-25-2011, 05:33 PM
it seems fraziers says the right things, he doesnt divulge any information but doesnt go up tight about any question hes asked. this first draft will be very intresting to see what direction this team will be going either offense heavy or defense heavy, im thinking defense heavy with a QB, O-line man in there. but who knows i could be wrong could be O heavy with A Dline sprinkled in.
Good stuff Del. My guess is we will see alot of what Spielman wants in this draft.

Hopefully he is thinking fix the D (keep games tight), add a QB that won't make mistakes, and let AD win us games.

slavinator
03-25-2011, 08:38 PM
it seems fraziers says the right things, he doesnt divulge any information but doesnt go up tight about any question hes asked. this first draft will be very intresting to see what direction this team will be going either offense heavy or defense heavy, im thinking defense heavy with a QB, O-line man in there. but who knows i could be wrong could be O heavy with A Dline sprinkled in.
Good stuff Del. My guess is we will see alot of what Spielman wants in this draft.

Hopefully he is thinking fix the D (keep games tight), add a QB that won't make mistakes, and let AD win us games.

That right there Marr is exactly what I am saying!!

jargomcfargo
03-25-2011, 10:29 PM
While coach Leslie Frazier would like to keep opponents guessing about what changes they will see when the NFL lockout ends, there is one legitimate reason why he is unable to get into more detail. Frazier and Musgrave don't know who their quarterback will be and a good part of how their offense will operate will be based on who's running it.

That point alone should make Vikings fans extremely happy.

As Frazier spoke this week at the NFL owners meetings, it was clear Musgrave's approach will be far less rigid than Childress'. Under Childress, the new quarterback would have been expected to learn a system already in place. Frazier and Musgrave appear willing to adjust their ideas to fit the strengths of whoever is under center.



Mystery offense will feature play-makers
(http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/118548199.html)
Ohhh Lord. You guys know what this means...... They are going to draft a kid and then build the team around him. Most of you will like that, however, I don't.

That means rebuilding and starting over.

Damn I hate rebuilding.

Marrdro can be heard chanting........KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB........

In the end, I find it absolutely ludicrous that they would completely revamp the offense to fit one guy instead of draft a guy who fits the talent already on the team.

No wonder Rice wants to leave.

How do you derive that conclusion?
Frazier has already said he wanted to feature Harvin more. He's a playmaker for sure.

He has also said he wanted to run more. That sounds like featuring Peterson, another playmaker.

Speculation on my part but I'm guessing he will want to feature Schiancoe more, since that interception chucking QB we had last year forgot he was on the field, for the most part.

I think it's Frazier admitting he is going to be saddled with an inexperienced QB who won't be expected to be a great playmaker, just solid.

And yes we are rebuilding, but not to the extent that this program can't turn around on a dime.

Need to counter the three passing QB's and teams in our division. Concentrate on defense.
Improve the defensive backfield and upgrading the nickel/dime packages would be a great help. Especially against Green Bay with all their great receivers.
Wouldn't hurt to get a better pass rush from the left end or even better, up the middle with Pats replacement.

Do that, and keep the offensive line healthy, and we will be competetive.

kevoncox
03-25-2011, 11:05 PM
Am I the only one that feels that this is a good thing?
Marr, I don't believe it's as bad as you think, smoke screen or not.
If you have a choice between Mallett and Newtown, and your preferred scheme is a Bootleg heavy scheme, you chose Cam. Well what happens if you don't get Cam but you get Mallet? Do you still force that scheme? Do you skip Mallett, whom you believe to be head and shoulders better than the other QB prospects?
No you Draft Mallett and simply reduce the number of bootlegs, while adding a few more vertical passing plays.

12purplepride28
03-26-2011, 04:51 AM
Am I the only one that feels that this is a good thing?
Marr, I don't believe it's as bad as you think, smoke screen or not.
If you have a choice between Mallett and Newtown, and your preferred scheme is a Bootleg heavy scheme, you chose Cam. Well what happens if you don't get Cam but you get Mallet? Do you still force that scheme? Do you skip Mallett, whom you believe to be head and shoulders better than the other QB prospects?
No you Draft Mallett and simply reduce the number of bootlegs, while adding a few more vertical passing plays.

I'm right with you kc. I don't know why marr thinks it's so bad to find a QB that our HC thinks can be successful in this league and draft him and design an offense that suits him. This whole pick some scheme and then draft a player that "fits the scheme" is how we got in the whole TJ situation with our ass of an ex coach. What happens if there aren't any good prospects that fit our scheme?

To hell with a scheme. Develop our offense/defense around the talent we have on the roster and the talent available to us in the draft and free agency.

I just thank god our coaches don't think like marrdro because we would have TJ throwing at our WRs feet all day and we would draft 4 DTs this year. Good god

12purplepride28
03-26-2011, 04:53 AM
While coach Leslie Frazier would like to keep opponents guessing about what changes they will see when the NFL lockout ends, there is one legitimate reason why he is unable to get into more detail. Frazier and Musgrave don't know who their quarterback will be and a good part of how their offense will operate will be based on who's running it.

That point alone should make Vikings fans extremely happy.

As Frazier spoke this week at the NFL owners meetings, it was clear Musgrave's approach will be far less rigid than Childress'. Under Childress, the new quarterback would have been expected to learn a system already in place. Frazier and Musgrave appear willing to adjust their ideas to fit the strengths of whoever is under center.



Mystery offense will feature play-makers
(http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/118548199.html)
Ohhh Lord. You guys know what this means...... They are going to draft a kid and then build the team around him. Most of you will like that, however, I don't.

That means rebuilding and starting over.

Damn I hate rebuilding.

Marrdro can be heard chanting........KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB........

In the end, I find it absolutely ludicrous that they would completely revamp the offense to fit one guy instead of draft a guy who fits the talent already on the team.

No wonder Rice wants to leave.

Personally I have a strong belief that to use the existing talent on the team we need to revamp the offense because the old one didn't work with them. And apparently the coaches feel the same way.
Hmmmmmm, 08/09 back to back Div Championships. 08 first home playoff game in forever. 09 another playoff appearance. 09. NFC Championship game.

Seems like something was working. Could have probably made a playoff bid last year if we wouldn't have had so many injuries along with the missing bodies at camp.

08- Gus Frerotte saved the season and TJ shit it out in the toilet against the eagles.
09- Favre played brilliantly and led us to the NFCCG

We don't have a QB on this team and thank god TJ is gone. There may be aspects working, but as a whole, it wasn't good enough. Obviously. Just look at the results.

12purplepride28
03-26-2011, 04:57 AM
Second, TJ isn't my boy. I just think he is ready to play at this level now. Such a shame that we will find out with him on another team.


The only person that will be figuring something out is you when you see him either
A) Not be on a team
B) Ride the bench on another team
C) Fail miserably after being put in a starting position do to brain injury to the HC and injury to the other 3 QBs and the 1 WR ahead of him on the depth chart for QB

If he's so ready then why did he suck so bad this year? When in god's holy name will you give it a rest? Even tad admitted that tjoke sucks. And if "shame" is the same as "thank all that is holy in this world" then yah, I agree with you.

Purple Floyd
03-26-2011, 01:10 PM
While coach Leslie Frazier would like to keep opponents guessing about what changes they will see when the NFL lockout ends, there is one legitimate reason why he is unable to get into more detail. Frazier and Musgrave don't know who their quarterback will be and a good part of how their offense will operate will be based on who's running it.

That point alone should make Vikings fans extremely happy.

As Frazier spoke this week at the NFL owners meetings, it was clear Musgrave's approach will be far less rigid than Childress'. Under Childress, the new quarterback would have been expected to learn a system already in place. Frazier and Musgrave appear willing to adjust their ideas to fit the strengths of whoever is under center.



Mystery offense will feature play-makers
(http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/118548199.html)
Ohhh Lord. You guys know what this means...... They are going to draft a kid and then build the team around him. Most of you will like that, however, I don't.

That means rebuilding and starting over.

Damn I hate rebuilding.

Marrdro can be heard chanting........KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB KOLB........

In the end, I find it absolutely ludicrous that they would completely revamp the offense to fit one guy instead of draft a guy who fits the talent already on the team.

No wonder Rice wants to leave.

Personally I have a strong belief that to use the existing talent on the team we need to revamp the offense because the old one didn't work with them. And apparently the coaches feel the same way.
Hmmmmmm, 08/09 back to back Div Championships. 08 first home playoff game in forever. 09 another playoff appearance. 09. NFC Championship game.

Seems like something was working. Could have probably made a playoff bid last year if we wouldn't have had so many injuries along with the missing bodies at camp.

Not too different than in 2005 when you claimed the reason for our 9-7 record was due to a weak schedule. In 2008 and 2009 the NFC Norris was about as weak as it has ever been between the Lions Packers and Bears ( Oh My).

What worked as far as talent and scheme in those years just won't cut it any more my friend.