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Caine
12-16-2010, 09:00 PM
With the announcement that Tarvaris Jackson has been put on IR, my year long bet with Marrdro has been concluded.

Marrdro stated that by the end of this season I would consider Jackson a viable starter. I said no way.

By my count, Jackson played in 2 games, starting 1. And, from where I sit, Jackson pretty much sucked wang in both. Now, with him being put on IR (for turf toe) and reminding us all of his fragility (as we saw in '07 as well), I fell VERY confident in saying that Tarvaris Jackson is NOT a starting caliber QB.

Maybe the free beer will make being right less painful...

Caine

Infidel
12-16-2010, 09:04 PM
You're right, but Marrdro will have some excuse.

He always does.

:)

kevoncox
12-16-2010, 09:41 PM
With the announcement that Tarvaris Jackson has been put on IR, my year long bet with Marrdro has been concluded.

Marrdro stated that by the end of this season I would consider Jackson a viable starter. I said no way.

By my count, Jackson played in 2 games, starting 1. And, from where I sit, Jackson pretty much sucked wang in both. Now, with him being put on IR (for turf toe) and reminding us all of his fragility (as we saw in '07 as well), I fell VERY confident in saying that Tarvaris Jackson is NOT a starting caliber QB.

Maybe the free beer will make being right less painful...

Caine
I think you have my ole friend my the trousers. TJ=/= starter material.

pack93z
12-16-2010, 09:48 PM
Caine- You going to share? ;)

I thought TJ has enough talent to be a starter.. but I am not convinced the pairing of Bevell and Childress did him any favors in development.

But with that.. even though I thought he could be an NFL starter.. at this point there is nothing tangible to hang on the wall and say he is a starting caliber QB at this point.

soonerbornNbred
12-16-2010, 10:34 PM
Saying Tjoke is a NFL caliber starter is like saying Brad Childress is a viable canditate for a NFL head coaching job...yea sure you can say it but your touch with reality is on a very very slippery slope

Purple Floyd
12-16-2010, 11:52 PM
I think we just need to give him some more time. I mean look at what he has had to endure. In only his 5th season he had his coach fired and now all of a sudden he has a new coach and they are probably messing with the scheme to some degree so how can he be expected to play well while going through all of that?

Mr Anderson
12-17-2010, 12:05 AM
With the announcement that Tarvaris Jackson has been put on IR, my year long bet with Marrdro has been concluded.

Marrdro stated that by the end of this season I would consider Jackson a viable starter. I said no way.

By my count, Jackson played in 2 games, starting 1. And, from where I sit, Jackson pretty much sucked wang in both. Now, with him being put on IR (for turf toe) and reminding us all of his fragility (as we saw in '07 as well), I fell VERY confident in saying that Tarvaris Jackson is NOT a starting caliber QB.

Maybe the free beer will make being right less painful...

Caine
I read today that there was ligament damage in the toe.

kyleburkle
12-17-2010, 01:08 AM
Tarvaris definetly has the talent, but he is missing experience, knowledge, when he gets blitzed he either runs or gets sacked, he miss understands coverage, all things that you have to play NFL regular season consistenly, Only QB's that don't get hit don't get hurt, peyton manning gets rid of the ball fast as possible, running qb's like steve young, vince young, mike vick, donovan mcnabb, and even aaron rodgers always fight injuries, because they get hit hard trying to make a play, Tarvaris is physically tuffer than manning, he just gets run over. Well see what Webb can do, I think he will really struggle with blitz pickup and coverage but hopefully i am wrong

i_bleed_purple
12-17-2010, 01:14 AM
Tarvaris is physically tuffer than manning

I stopped reading after this sentence.

Manning has started 205 consecutive games. Tarvaris's streak is what? 5?

Manning has been sacked 229 times. TJ has only ever been sacked or rushed the ball 156 times.

Manning is a tough dude, TJ? He's made of glass.

Culpepper_4717
12-17-2010, 01:35 AM
Tarvaris is physically tuffer than manning

I stopped reading after this sentence.

Manning has started 205 consecutive games. Tarvaris's streak is what? 5?

Manning has been sacked 229 times. TJ has only ever been sacked or rushed the ball 156 times.

Manning is a tough dude, TJ? He's made of glass.
Manning is also smarter than TJoke.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2009/01/04/2008589797.jpg

i_bleed_purple
12-17-2010, 01:37 AM
Tarvaris is physically tuffer than manning

I stopped reading after this sentence.

Manning has started 205 consecutive games. Tarvaris's streak is what? 5?

Manning has been sacked 229 times. TJ has only ever been sacked or rushed the ball 156 times.

Manning is a tough dude, TJ? He's made of glass.
Manning is also smarter than TJoke.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2009/01/04/2008589797.jpg

Well, you don't become one of the best QB's of all-time if you're dumber than TJ, that's for sure.

ultravikingfan
12-17-2010, 02:28 AM
Tarvaris definetly has the talent, but he is missing experience, knowledge, when he gets blitzed he either runs or gets sacked, he miss understands coverage, all things that you have to play NFL regular season consistenly, Only QB's that don't get hit don't get hurt, peyton manning gets rid of the ball fast as possible, running qb's like steve young, vince young, mike vick, donovan mcnabb, and even aaron rodgers always fight injuries, because they get hit hard trying to make a play, Tarvaris is physically tuffer than manning, he just gets run over. Well see what Webb can do, I think he will really struggle with blitz pickup and coverage but hopefully i am wrong

Really? Brett Favre started how many games in a row? And he was hit a lot.

Jim Kelly was hit a lot, but was one tough SOB.

We know from the other thread you have serious wood for TJ. But do not go making statements that are ridiculous and you cannot even begin to back up.

ejmat
12-17-2010, 03:00 AM
With the announcement that Tarvaris Jackson has been put on IR, my year long bet with Marrdro has been concluded.

Marrdro stated that by the end of this season I would consider Jackson a viable starter. I said no way.

By my count, Jackson played in 2 games, starting 1. And, from where I sit, Jackson pretty much sucked wang in both. Now, with him being put on IR (for turf toe) and reminding us all of his fragility (as we saw in '07 as well), I fell VERY confident in saying that Tarvaris Jackson is NOT a starting caliber QB.

Maybe the free beer will make being right less painful...

Caine

Some of them there beers I will be engulfing. Marrdro I look forward to it.

Caine - I just may have to drink more than I have in year when this night comes. Should be fun:woohoo:

12purplepride28
12-17-2010, 06:08 AM
Tarvaris is physically tuffer than manning

I stopped reading after this sentence.

Manning has started 205 consecutive games. Tarvaris's streak is what? 5?

Manning has been sacked 229 times. TJ has only ever been sacked or rushed the ball 156 times.

Manning is a tough dude, TJ? He's made of glass.

I think you mean Manning is a tuff dude.

i_bleed_purple
12-17-2010, 06:23 AM
Tarvaris is physically tuffer than manning

I stopped reading after this sentence.

Manning has started 205 consecutive games. Tarvaris's streak is what? 5?

Manning has been sacked 229 times. TJ has only ever been sacked or rushed the ball 156 times.

Manning is a tough dude, TJ? He's made of glass.

I think you mean Manning is a tuff dude.

sorry, I should have checked my spelling.

gregair13
12-17-2010, 08:10 AM
This topic assumes me. Caine, you are just as smart as everyone else. Tjoke is called Tjoke for a reason.

http://myfacewhen.com/images/52.jpg

singersp
12-17-2010, 11:27 AM
With the announcement that Tarvaris Jackson has been put on IR, my year long bet with Marrdro has been concluded.

Marrdro stated that by the end of this season I would consider Jackson a viable starter. I said no way.

By my count, Jackson played in 2 games, starting 1. And, from where I sit, Jackson pretty much sucked wang in both. Now, with him being put on IR (for turf toe) and reminding us all of his fragility (as we saw in '07 as well), I fell VERY confident in saying that Tarvaris Jackson is NOT a starting caliber QB.

Maybe the free beer will make being right less painful...

Caine

THAT was Marrdro's prediction!!? Hell, I wouldn't have taken that one.

I was all for seeing what he had by playing him, instead of the $16 Faivlure, but wouldn't have been so bold as to say he was definitely going to be great enough to sway your opinion.

Hell, even if he had played great & dominated in those two games, you still wouldn't have claimed him "starting caliber". Not even if he would have won the last 5.

The smart thing that Marrdro should have also bet, was that by years end, the Favre 2010 season would be a failure & total bust.

At least then, it would be BYOB

El Vikingo
12-17-2010, 12:05 PM
Make sure ole Marrdro brings the bottles closed,I am sure that cat has something in mind.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytFwqfKs7OE

Infidel
12-17-2010, 03:33 PM
I've got to admit that I'm amazed that TJ turned out to be such a complete and embarrassing failure.

After so many people like Marrdro & Co. insisted that he had been immaculately conceived and born in a manger, I expected him to be at least halfway competent.

Instead it turns out that he's been drawing a huge paycheck for years with absolutely no qualifications to actually DO the job he was supposed to.

I guess that makes it doubly shocking. A fraud and a con man.

Who woulda thunk it???

countrygirl
12-17-2010, 03:56 PM
How could anyone be amazed? Seriously? If you watched the sidelines the last two years you would see Favre looking at photos of plays and formations, etc. and actually thinking of ways to improve. Meanwhile the camera pans over to Tjack who is staring blankly into space. Plus the guy cannot form a complete sentence. Yeah, I'm shocked. :whistle:

Prophet
12-17-2010, 04:27 PM
How could anyone be amazed? Seriously? If you watched the sidelines the last two years you would see Favre looking at photos of plays and formations, etc. and actually thinking of ways to improve. Meanwhile the camera pans over to Tjack who is staring blankly into space. Plus the guy cannot form a complete sentence. Yeah, I'm shocked. :whistle:

Something like this?

http://www.globalpile.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/tj1.jpg

ejmat
12-17-2010, 04:35 PM
How could anyone be amazed? Seriously? If you watched the sidelines the last two years you would see Favre looking at photos of plays and formations, etc. and actually thinking of ways to improve. Meanwhile the camera pans over to Tjack who is staring blankly into space. Plus the guy cannot form a complete sentence. Yeah, I'm shocked. :whistle:

Something like this?

http://www.globalpile.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/tj1.jpg

LOL

i_bleed_purple
12-17-2010, 04:38 PM
Odd, I'm usually used to seeing this pose from him

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/kras0047/fantasy_football_rankings/images/tarvarisknee.jpg

Infidel
12-17-2010, 04:56 PM
Well, I AM amazed.

Maybe I'm naive, but I did not expect a total collapse and total failure.

I guess I was thrown off by Marrdro and Co.

But really.....how could he get away with working this scam? Coaches blind?

ultravikingfan
12-17-2010, 05:48 PM
Oh where oh where did Marrdro go...oh where oh where could he be?

With his hero struck down in the prime of his life, oh where oh where could Marr be?

marstc09
12-17-2010, 07:38 PM
http://static.pyzam.com/img/funnypics/a/asianown.jpg

ejmat
12-17-2010, 08:03 PM
http://static.pyzam.com/img/funnypics/a/asianown.jpg

LOL. You just love those "OWNED" pictures don't you.

gregair13
12-17-2010, 08:21 PM
http://static.pyzam.com/img/funnypics/a/asianown.jpg

LOL. You just love those "OWNED" pictures don't you.
Who doesn't love them?

ejmat
12-17-2010, 08:23 PM
http://static.pyzam.com/img/funnypics/a/asianown.jpg

LOL. You just love those "OWNED" pictures don't you.
Who doesn't love them?

True. They are great (unless of course you are the one being owned). They do make me laugh.

I think I remember Marrdro having a very huge disdain for the "owned" pictures. Am I correct Mars?

ejmat
12-17-2010, 08:25 PM
http://static.pyzam.com/img/funnypics/a/asianown.jpg

LOL. You just love those "OWNED" pictures don't you.
Who doesn't love them?

True! I sure like them. But I do believe Marrdro has quite the disdain for them. Am I correct Mars?

jargomcfargo
12-17-2010, 09:16 PM
http://static.pyzam.com/img/funnypics/a/asianown.jpg

LOL. You just love those "OWNED" pictures don't you.

I love the look on the face of the next guy in line!
Time for a life lesson in reality! lol.

Purple Floyd
12-18-2010, 12:15 AM
http://static.pyzam.com/img/funnypics/a/asianown.jpg

LOL. You just love those "OWNED" pictures don't you.

I love the look on the face of the next guy in line!
Time for a life lesson in reality! lol.

That might be the same look Frazier had on his face when Childress got his walking papers from Ziggy. I can see it now:

Hey Leslie- Your'e next in line to coach this amazing collection of talent Childress has assembled and you get to coach them in his system.:laugh:

i_bleed_purple
12-19-2010, 09:20 AM
http://static.pyzam.com/img/funnypics/a/asianown.jpg

LOL. You just love those "OWNED" pictures don't you.
Who doesn't love them?

True! I sure like them. But I do believe Marrdro has quite the disdain for them. Am I correct Mars?

I say more then!
http://www.forumspile.com/owned/Owned-BirdKid.jpg


aaand that's 13000 time for bed.

ejmat
12-19-2010, 03:47 PM
http://static.pyzam.com/img/funnypics/a/asianown.jpg

LOL. You just love those "OWNED" pictures don't you.
Who doesn't love them?

True! I sure like them. But I do believe Marrdro has quite the disdain for them. Am I correct Mars?

I say more then!
http://www.forumspile.com/owned/Owned-BirdKid.jpg


aaand that's 13000 time for bed.

LOL. Thanks! I always get a kick out of them.

singersp
12-19-2010, 04:23 PM
http://static.pyzam.com/img/funnypics/a/asianown.jpg

LOL. You just love those "OWNED" pictures don't you.

I love the look on the face of the next guy in line!
Time for a life lesson in reality! lol.

What's funny about that is that you're a doctor.

Do you get the same satisfaction & look forward to the looks on kids faces when you give them shots? LOL!

i_bleed_purple
12-19-2010, 04:25 PM
http://static.pyzam.com/img/funnypics/a/asianown.jpg

LOL. You just love those "OWNED" pictures don't you.

I love the look on the face of the next guy in line!
Time for a life lesson in reality! lol.

What's funny about that is that you're a doctor.

Do you get the same satisfaction & look forward to the looks on kids faces when you give them shots? LOL!


jargo:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_e-esyK9fk2I/RpN8-gRETqI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/DD0F3qT_WmQ/s400/ist2_2684477_evil_doctor.jpg

singersp
12-19-2010, 04:30 PM
I've got to admit that I'm amazed that TJ turned out to be such a complete and embarrassing failure.

After so many people like Marrdro & Co. insisted that he had been immaculately conceived and born in a manger, I expected him to be at least halfway competent.

Instead it turns out that he's been drawing a huge paycheck for years with absolutely no qualifications to actually DO the job he was supposed to.

I guess that makes it doubly shocking. A fraud and a con man.

Who woulda thunk it???


I've got to admit that I'm amazed that Favre turned out to be such a complete and embarrassing failure.

After so many people like Marstc, Infidel & Co. insisted that he was God, I expected him to be at least halfway competent.

Instead it turns out that he drew a huge paycheck for 20 times what TJ made & a hell of a lot more than Webb & couldn't DO the job he was supposed to. Hell, his winning % of 36% was less than TJ's 50% & he cost us a playoff shot, all but mathematically, before TJ ever took the field

I guess that makes it doubly shocking after he demanded more money to play this year.

A fraud and a con man.

Who woulda thunk it???

i_bleed_purple
12-19-2010, 04:32 PM
I've got to admit that I'm amazed that TJ turned out to be such a complete and embarrassing failure.

After so many people like Marrdro & Co. insisted that he had been immaculately conceived and born in a manger, I expected him to be at least halfway competent.

Instead it turns out that he's been drawing a huge paycheck for years with absolutely no qualifications to actually DO the job he was supposed to.

I guess that makes it doubly shocking. A fraud and a con man.

Who woulda thunk it???


I've got to admit that I'm amazed that Favre turned out to be such a complete and embarrassing failure.

After so many people like Marstc, Infidel & Co. insisted that he was God, I expected him to be at least halfway competent.

Instead it turns out that he drew a huge paycheck for 20 times what TJ made & a hell of a lot more than Webb & couldn't DO the job he was supposed to. Hell, his winning % of 36% was less than TJ's 50% & he cost us a playoff shot, all but mathematically, before TJ ever took the field

I guess that makes it doubly shocking after he demanded more money to play this year.

A fraud and a con man.

Who woulda thunk it???

Did he demand more money, or was he offered more money?

From the sounds of things, he really didn't want to play, and while yes, he should have communicated that better, you can't blame him for the Vikes selling the farm to try and get him back.

Getting him last year was a risky decision, this year even more so. Only a true hater can blame a guy for saying Yes when offered more money to play.

singersp
12-19-2010, 04:58 PM
I've got to admit that I'm amazed that TJ turned out to be such a complete and embarrassing failure.

After so many people like Marrdro & Co. insisted that he had been immaculately conceived and born in a manger, I expected him to be at least halfway competent.

Instead it turns out that he's been drawing a huge paycheck for years with absolutely no qualifications to actually DO the job he was supposed to.

I guess that makes it doubly shocking. A fraud and a con man.

Who woulda thunk it???


I've got to admit that I'm amazed that Favre turned out to be such a complete and embarrassing failure.

After so many people like Marstc, Infidel & Co. insisted that he was God, I expected him to be at least halfway competent.

Instead it turns out that he drew a huge paycheck for 20 times what TJ made & a hell of a lot more than Webb & couldn't DO the job he was supposed to. Hell, his winning % of 36% was less than TJ's 50% & he cost us a playoff shot, all but mathematically, before TJ ever took the field

I guess that makes it doubly shocking after he demanded more money to play this year.

A fraud and a con man.

Who woulda thunk it???

Did he demand more money, or was he offered more money?

From the sounds of things, he really didn't want to play, and while yes, he should have communicated that better, you can't blame him for the Vikes selling the farm to try and get him back.

Getting him last year was a risky decision, this year even more so. Only a true hater can blame a guy for saying Yes when offered more money to play.

Favre asked for more money to play. It was discussed here at the time, before he agreed to come up here.

At first he said it wasn't about the money, which at that time he was due to make $13 mil, but later he changed his mind & wanted a new deal.

Keep in mind, he was already under a 2 year contract from last year.

Some said it was because of Bradford's $15 mil a year deal.

Purple Floyd
12-19-2010, 05:09 PM
I've got to admit that I'm amazed that TJ turned out to be such a complete and embarrassing failure.

After so many people like Marrdro & Co. insisted that he had been immaculately conceived and born in a manger, I expected him to be at least halfway competent.

Instead it turns out that he's been drawing a huge paycheck for years with absolutely no qualifications to actually DO the job he was supposed to.

I guess that makes it doubly shocking. A fraud and a con man.

Who woulda thunk it???


I've got to admit that I'm amazed that Favre turned out to be such a complete and embarrassing failure.

After so many people like Marstc, Infidel & Co. insisted that he was God, I expected him to be at least halfway competent.

Instead it turns out that he drew a huge paycheck for 20 times what TJ made & a hell of a lot more than Webb & couldn't DO the job he was supposed to. Hell, his winning % of 36% was less than TJ's 50% & he cost us a playoff shot, all but mathematically, before TJ ever took the field

I guess that makes it doubly shocking after he demanded more money to play this year.

A fraud and a con man.

Who woulda thunk it???

I am a bit confused about why you are turning this into another Farvebashing bit again considering he was perfectly content to stay home and let Jackson be the man this year. It was the FO and the Vikings org. in general who went down there and brought him back to play.

Long story short if your boy TJ had done anything to separate himself from the rest of the retreads that have been shuffled through winter park in the past 5 seasons there wouldn't have been a plane trip to Hattiesburg to get him. If you are looking for blame look no closer than Childress and the front office who orchestrated the plane trip to bring him in and who also gave him all of that money on top of it. Yes, it was dumb of the FO to give him that big bump in pay but I cannot see where any of that is his fault. Hell, if I had that type of situation I am sure i wouldn't turn down the money and my guess is you wouldn't either.

Just blame the organization for putting themselves in a situation where he looked like the best option and for not addressing the QB and OL situation in a better way over the past 5 years.

12purplepride28
12-19-2010, 05:17 PM
I've got to admit that I'm amazed that TJ turned out to be such a complete and embarrassing failure.

After so many people like Marrdro & Co. insisted that he had been immaculately conceived and born in a manger, I expected him to be at least halfway competent.

Instead it turns out that he's been drawing a huge paycheck for years with absolutely no qualifications to actually DO the job he was supposed to.

I guess that makes it doubly shocking. A fraud and a con man.

Who woulda thunk it???


I've got to admit that I'm amazed that Favre turned out to be such a complete and embarrassing failure.

After so many people like Marstc, Infidel & Co. insisted that he was God, I expected him to be at least halfway competent.

Instead it turns out that he drew a huge paycheck for 20 times what TJ made & a hell of a lot more than Webb & couldn't DO the job he was supposed to. Hell, his winning % of 36% was less than TJ's 50% & he cost us a playoff shot, all but mathematically, before TJ ever took the field

I guess that makes it doubly shocking after he demanded more money to play this year.

A fraud and a con man.

Who woulda thunk it???

Did he demand more money, or was he offered more money?

From the sounds of things, he really didn't want to play, and while yes, he should have communicated that better, you can't blame him for the Vikes selling the farm to try and get him back.

Getting him last year was a risky decision, this year even more so. Only a true hater can blame a guy for saying Yes when offered more money to play.

Favre asked for more money to play. It was discussed here at the time, before he agreed to come up here.

At first he said it wasn't about the money, which at that time he was due to make $13 mil, but later he changed his mind & wanted a new deal.

Keep in mind, he was already under a 2 year contract from last year.

Some said it was because of Bradford's $15 mil a year deal.

Link? I think you're wrong. You may be right, but I'm pretty sure the vikings just offered him more money because he hadn't made a decision yet. Like I said, you may be right, but I don't think you are.

And why are you deflecting this onto Favre? Everyone here knows he hasn't played well; EVERYONE. And I'd hardly call him a failure. Anyone who is a first ballot HOFer can't be that big of a failure. Sure he may have failed this year, but so did the team as a whole. Let's face it, even if Favre played like last year, our schedule was much tougher and we have too many injuries and our defense wasn't good enough this year. Last year was our chance, and our team blew it. Just wasn't in the cards this year.

Do I regret that we brought Favre back this year? I'm not sure. If we didn't, then Tjack would have started sooner, and he would have been exposed sooner, which means Webb would have started sooner, which would have been nice. But maybe Webb has learned some stuff from riding the bench behind our two great QBs. If Favre has taught Webb anything, whether through instruction or example, then I'm glad that Favre came back.

singersp
12-19-2010, 05:50 PM
I've got to admit that I'm amazed that TJ turned out to be such a complete and embarrassing failure.

After so many people like Marrdro & Co. insisted that he had been immaculately conceived and born in a manger, I expected him to be at least halfway competent.

Instead it turns out that he's been drawing a huge paycheck for years with absolutely no qualifications to actually DO the job he was supposed to.

I guess that makes it doubly shocking. A fraud and a con man.

Who woulda thunk it???


I've got to admit that I'm amazed that Favre turned out to be such a complete and embarrassing failure.

After so many people like Marstc, Infidel & Co. insisted that he was God, I expected him to be at least halfway competent.

Instead it turns out that he drew a huge paycheck for 20 times what TJ made & a hell of a lot more than Webb & couldn't DO the job he was supposed to. Hell, his winning % of 36% was less than TJ's 50% & he cost us a playoff shot, all but mathematically, before TJ ever took the field

I guess that makes it doubly shocking after he demanded more money to play this year.

A fraud and a con man.

Who woulda thunk it???

Did he demand more money, or was he offered more money?

From the sounds of things, he really didn't want to play, and while yes, he should have communicated that better, you can't blame him for the Vikes selling the farm to try and get him back.

Getting him last year was a risky decision, this year even more so. Only a true hater can blame a guy for saying Yes when offered more money to play.

Favre asked for more money to play. It was discussed here at the time, before he agreed to come up here.

At first he said it wasn't about the money, which at that time he was due to make $13 mil, but later he changed his mind & wanted a new deal.

Keep in mind, he was already under a 2 year contract from last year.

Some said it was because of Bradford's $15 mil a year deal.

Link? I think you're wrong. You may be right, but I'm pretty sure the vikings just offered him more money because he hadn't made a decision yet. Like I said, you may be right, but I don't think you are.

And why are you deflecting this onto Favre? Everyone here knows he hasn't played well; EVERYONE. And I'd hardly call him a failure. Anyone who is a first ballot HOFer can't be that big of a failure. Sure he may have failed this year, but so did the team as a whole. Let's face it, even if Favre played like last year, our schedule was much tougher and we have too many injuries and our defense wasn't good enough this year. Last year was our chance, and our team blew it. Just wasn't in the cards this year.

Do I regret that we brought Favre back this year? I'm not sure. If we didn't, then Tjack would have started sooner, and he would have been exposed sooner, which means Webb would have started sooner, which would have been nice. But maybe Webb has learned some stuff from riding the bench behind our two great QBs. If Favre has taught Webb anything, whether through instruction or example, then I'm glad that Favre came back.

They did offer him more money at first when he waffled & said it wasn't about the money, but when he did decide to come back, he wanted the paycheck.

You are assuming that Favre taught Webb stuff or that Webb learned something (hopefully not to gunsling or hang on to the ball to long) but you never saw him standing next to Favre either which many here blamed TJ for.

What I'm calling Favre a failure for was this year. We all know he's a first round HOFer. He was so before donning a Jets or Vikings uniform. This year he failed. Was he the sole reason the Vikings failed? Absolutely not. There's plenty of blame to go around. Those same reasons can be shared in Jackson's loss & Webb's upcoming loss as well.

You say our schedule was tougher? It certainly wasn't any tougher than anyone else's in our division. In fact, we probably had the easiest schedule of the division, considering we play the same teams, plus each other twice.

You were right about 1 thing. Had we not pursued Favre, TJ would have played & we would have known sooner if he could make it or not. Although, I don't think it would have been as soon in the year as most people want to believe.

Either way, that was my whole reasoning for letting him play in 2008, rather than benching him at the first two games, in favor of Frerotte.

We could have found out then & been two years into having drafted a QB in 2009, rather than passing on QBs because we didn't know for sure what we had.

Now, in 2011 we'll be searching for a QB that we could have already had on our roster for 2 years.

Infidel
12-19-2010, 05:59 PM
Singer, your bullshit was weak before you were proven wrong about TJ and Favre and it's even weaker now that you're bringing this silly attempt to rewrite history and save face.

Come on, man!!!! Quit digging. You were wrong. Regroup and be more open to learn something here.

We hope Marrdro (when he dares to show his face again) will do the same.

singersp
12-19-2010, 06:13 PM
Singer, your bullshit was weak before you were proven wrong about TJ and Favre and it's even weaker now that you're bringing this silly attempt to rewrite history and save face.

Come on, man!!!! Quit digging. You were wrong. Regroup and be more open to learn something here.

We hope Marrdro (when he dares to show his face again) will do the same.

Exactly what was I wrong about regarding TJ & Favre? You weren't even here long enough for history & wasn't even here until Favre was already here.

Do you have a quote, a link or are you just going to continue to maket weak blanket statements you pull out of your ass?

Your lame attempt of coming in at the end of the movie & pretending to know what was discussed before you were even a member is laughable.

You lost all credibility when you couldn't even grasp the ability to count to 5.

Apparently you learned nothing from that experience.

Infidel
12-19-2010, 06:18 PM
Yeah, this thread is all about laughing at me.

:D

singersp
12-19-2010, 06:18 PM
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Purple Floyd
12-19-2010, 06:21 PM
"singersp" #1084639]
They did offer him more money at first when he waffled & said it wasn't about the money, but when he did decide to come back, he wanted the paycheck.

But they could have left him home to retire and then they wouldn't have had to pay him this years salary either. Why didn't they- Simple- They knew what you didn't. That TJ was not capable of being a starter for the team. Hopefully you know that now.


You are assuming that Favre taught Webb stuff or that Webb learned something (hopefully not to gunsling or hang on to the ball to long) but you never saw him standing next to Favre either which many here blamed TJ for.

Hopefully he learns more than Jackson because 5 years into it he has shown squat.


What I'm calling Favre a failure for was this year. We all know he's a first round HOFer. He was so before donning a Jets or Vikings uniform. This year he failed. Was he the sole reason the Vikings failed? Absolutely not. There's plenty of blame to go around. Those same reasons can be shared in Jackson's loss & Webb's upcoming loss as well.

That is pretty universal. I don't see too much in the way of people saying Brett has done well at all. I sure haven't. But that is not to change the fact jackson was not nor will he ever be ready to be an NFL starter.


You say our schedule was tougher? It certainly wasn't any tougher than anyone else's in our division. In fact, we probably had the easiest schedule of the division, considering we play the same teams, plus each other twice.
And you would think with an easier schedule that jackson would have a chance to lock up the starting role but instead he looked like crap and then went out and pulled a typical jackson and got hurt. That is what guys like you get for calling for the "Mobile" QB


You were right about 1 thing. Had we not pursued Favre, TJ would have played & we would have known sooner if he could make it or not. Although, I don't think it would have been as soon in the year as most people want to believe.

You forget the wild card in this.

Had brett stayed at home we would still have Sage on the team and he was clearly ahead of jackson through TC so in reality we would have had a QB controversy by game 3 just like we did in 2008 and we wouldn't have been any better off except that we would have had sage on the team under contract for next year and now we have nobody.


Either way, that was my whole reasoning for letting him play in 2008, rather than benching him at the first two games, in favor of Frerotte.
But OTOH I don't think the team needed to do anything just to prove to you and half a dozen other people that he wasn't the answer when the rest of the English speaking world had it figured out already.



We could have found out then & been two years into having drafted a QB in 2009, rather than passing on QBs because we didn't know for sure what we had.

Most of the people already knew it then. It was the blind supporters that were clinging to every shred that didn't see it and even playing him all year and failing wouldn't have changed their love.


Now, in 2011 we'll be searching for a QB that we could have already had on our roster for 2 years.

I am not sure we would want a QB that was under Childress for 2 years.

Infidel
12-19-2010, 06:22 PM
Singer said:


You lost all credibility when you couldn't even grasp the ability to count to 5.

Apparently you learned nothing from that experience.

Poor Singer.....you're really struggling.

But....it's sort of fun to watch such an extended exercise in stubbornness.

If your partner in total wrongness (Marrdro) dares to show his face here again--it will be even more fun.

:)

singersp
12-19-2010, 06:35 PM
You're really struggling.

But....it's sort of fun to watch such an extended exercise in stubbornness.

If your partner in total wrongness (Marrdro) dares to show his face here again--it will be even more fun.

:)

I'm struggling with nothing. For two years before you even arrived here, I've always said we should play TJ to see what we got, rather than bring in old weathered QB's as band-aids thinking they could get it done. At no time ever did I sat TJ would be our future & at no time ever would I make a bet of that nature with Caine.

As I said before and I happen to know Caine a lot better than you, even if TJ managed to win all the remaining games, Caine still wouldn't changed his mind & said he was a starting caliber QB.

You are the fun one to watch. Regardless of how shitty a season Favre had, you can't bring yourself to accept it, but rather wallow in delusions of grandeur that somehow the Vikings might be able to coax Favre into playing next year.

singersp
12-19-2010, 06:41 PM
You're really struggling.

But....it's sort of fun to watch such an extended exercise in stubbornness.

If your partner in total wrongness (Marrdro) dares to show his face here again--it will be even more fun.

:)

I'm struggling with nothing. For two years before you even arrived here, I've always said we should play TJ to see what we got, rather than bring in old weathered QB's as band-aids thinking they could get it done. At no time ever did I say TJ would be our future & at no time ever would I make a bet of that nature with Caine.

As I said before (and I happen to know Caine a lot better than you)even if TJ managed to win all the remaining games, Caine still wouldn't changed his mind & said he was a starting caliber QB.

You are the fun one to watch. Regardless of how shitty a season Favre had, you can't bring yourself to accept it, but rather wallow in delusions of grandeur that somehow the Vikings might be able to coax Favre into playing next year.

BTW, you know Marrdro never posts on weekends.

Do you have to be reminded every weekend?

Infidel
12-19-2010, 06:52 PM
You are the fun one to watch.

Good.

You're obviously having a lot of fun.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d181/DenVII/dig.png

Infidel
12-19-2010, 06:57 PM
BTW, you know Marrdro never posts on weekends.

Yeah, and all week, too......since you and him got owned.

;)

singersp
12-19-2010, 07:01 PM
BTW, you know Marrdro never posts on weekends.

Yeah, and all week, too......since you and him got owned.

;)

Yeah, I got owned alright! Roll eyes. Problem is, you still failed to say how?

How's that Favre crow tasting?

Infidel
12-19-2010, 07:08 PM
Are you deserting your bosom buddy Marrdro in his time of trial?

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d181/DenVII/2311749860_dfc2245539.jpg

singersp
12-19-2010, 07:16 PM
Since you said you're all for starting TJ, he must be your bosom buddy also.

I'm still waiting to hear what your plan is to lure Favre back here next year.

What's that?

It must be hard for you to talk with your pie hole full of crow. :laugh:

Infidel
12-19-2010, 10:24 PM
I'm still waiting to hear what your plan is to lure Favre back here next year.

Acquire a new O-Line, then offer him $30 million, the latest high-tech cell phone and name the new stadium "Favre Field."

:D