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PAvikesfan
12-14-2010, 07:59 PM
Well, there may be a few games left but really what is left to do? I guess we should see if Webb is something to consider for next season. My guess, not. I predict Favre will play one last game, not a whole game but to come in and end on a good note. Receive his cheers one last time.

THE FUTURE?:::::::::

Where do you see this team going next year and into the future?

I believe we are one more season away from being a team on the rebuild. However, that rebuilding season may very well be next year if the coaching, and QB situations aren't solidified. I know a lot of people believe that there is way toooooo much talent on this team to be rebuilding so soon and in a lot of ways there are, AP, Sidney (if he stays), etc. But a lot of key people to our success have there contracts up. Sidney Rice will be a highhhhhhh-priced FA if he decides to go somewhere else. I expect Greenway to be highly sought after too. And with ZERO QB's in our bullpen that are worth it, I don't like our chances of bouncing back after this crazy-bad season.

So, where are we heading Vikings Fans!? Up, Down, Sideways, or Buried?

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 08:06 PM
Buried.

It's a tough situation. We have a LOT of holes that need fixing.
A few big issues:

Vets leaving:
Rice, Greenway, Leber, P-Will, Evans, Kennedy, TJ, and some others.
They're all nearing the end of their contract. Some will be back, but I fear some important players won't. Rice has been very quiet about his contract, not indicating he wants to be back. Same with Greenway. Those holes will need to be fixed.

QB:
Of course QB is an issue. I think it's obvious TJ isn't the answer, and the only other QB we'll have is Favre. I think we need to draft a QB high and get a vet. I personally would like to see Kolb here, but would be content with maybe Orton. If Brady Quinn gets cut, he might be worth looking at, but only for a cheap price. Sometimes all a guy needs is a second chance.

Lockout:
Considering, ther emight not be a 2011, that could hurt us again. a year off is a long time to break a team apart. It's also coming at the worst possible time. We just came of one of the most disappointing seasons in a long time, the fans are very unhappy, the state does not seem willing to cooperate with Wilf on the Stadium subject. If we don't get a stadium, ther emight not be a Minnesota Vikings. Throw in a new coach, and a rebuild, things don't look good.

triedandtruevikesfan
12-14-2010, 08:14 PM
Greenway did say that he would like to stay in Minnesota, but that it was a business and he couldn't guarantee that it would happen.

As for Rice, as sad as I am to say it, I don't see him staying here. He's going to get big bucks and if we can't work out a contract with him before he hits FA... he's gone.

If we can work out a deal I think that Pat will stay... but there are several others that need deals too. Its a tough situation.

I think we're in rebuilding mode. Its gonna be a tough couple of years :-(

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 09:48 PM
Of course QB is an issue. I think it's obvious TJ isn't the answer, and the only other QB we'll have is Favre.
The Noodle isn't under contract and I think ole Jen will have a big say in if he can sign with another team next year. My guess, his wife will opt to keep the noodle in the Noodles pants by keeping him home for good.


I think we need to draft a QB high and get a vet. I personally would like to see Kolb here, but would be content with maybe Orton. If Brady Quinn gets cut, he might be worth looking at, but only for a cheap price. Sometimes all a guy needs is a second chance.
Quinn.....HAHAHAHAHA. You crack me up.

I like Z's idea on Orton though.

What we might see happen is what the PUKERS did a couple of years ago behind Rodgers.......Young across the board.

OTA's would look like this.

1rst round rookie.
Webb
late round pick or UDFA (Probably UDFA cause of the picks we have)
Mid Tier Vet that could/would come on the cheap

Again, I think that money is gonna be the biggest factor in what we do in the offseason. This owner is hurting for cash when it comes to this team and don't think he is gonna get the ownership group to caugh up more out of thier pockets without some sort of commitment from the local community.

Marrdro
12-14-2010, 09:50 PM
Greenway did say that he would like to stay in Minnesota, but that it was a business and he couldn't guarantee that it would happen.

As for Rice, as sad as I am to say it, I don't see him staying here. He's going to get big bucks and if we can't work out a contract with him before he hits FA... he's gone.

If we can work out a deal I think that Pat will stay... but there are several others that need deals too. Its a tough situation.

I think we're in rebuilding mode. Its gonna be a tough couple of years :-(
Spot on young lady. Especially that last comment. So sad to when you look at what this team should look like going into next season.

We can only hope that alot of them go out of thier way and stay.

On a side note, do you think Phat Pat is worth the money anymore?

slavinator
12-14-2010, 09:52 PM
Buried.

It's a tough situation. We have a LOT of holes that need fixing.
A few big issues:

Vets leaving:
Rice, Greenway, Leber, P-Will, Evans, Kennedy, TJ, and some others.
They're all nearing the end of their contract. Some will be back, but I fear some important players won't. Rice has been very quiet about his contract, not indicating he wants to be back. Same with Greenway. Those holes will need to be fixed.

QB:
Of course QB is an issue. I think it's obvious TJ isn't the answer, and the only other QB we'll have is Favre. I think we need to draft a QB high and get a vet. I personally would like to see Kolb here, but would be content with maybe Orton. If Brady Quinn gets cut, he might be worth looking at, but only for a cheap price. Sometimes all a guy needs is a second chance.

Lockout:
Considering, ther emight not be a 2011, that could hurt us again. a year off is a long time to break a team apart. It's also coming at the worst possible time. We just came of one of the most disappointing seasons in a long time, the fans are very unhappy, the state does not seem willing to cooperate with Wilf on the Stadium subject. If we don't get a stadium, ther emight not be a Minnesota Vikings. Throw in a new coach, and a rebuild, things don't look good.

+1 Ominous times ahead.

i_bleed_purple
12-14-2010, 09:54 PM
Greenway did say that he would like to stay in Minnesota, but that it was a business and he couldn't guarantee that it would happen.

As for Rice, as sad as I am to say it, I don't see him staying here. He's going to get big bucks and if we can't work out a contract with him before he hits FA... he's gone.

If we can work out a deal I think that Pat will stay... but there are several others that need deals too. Its a tough situation.

I think we're in rebuilding mode. Its gonna be a tough couple of years :-(
Spot on young lady. Especially that last comment. So sad to when you look at what this team should look like going into next season.

We can only hope that alot of them go out of thier way and stay.

On a side note, do you think Phat Pat is worth the money anymore?

I think he's worth bringing back if the price is right. He'll at least make a good backup or rotational guy(which we do often).

What if there's no DT replacement in the draft? You seem adamant about drafting a DT/NT in the first or second round, but I have a feeling the front office does not share your sentiment. Considering there were a few options out there and we drafted none of them last year. They know Pat wants to retire a Viking, so they are assuming they can get him to re-sign. As for how much? Who knows. He's gotta know he's declining and not worth as much anymore, but he wants to play. If they can come to an agreement, no reason to not have him back. He's slipping, but he's still a decent player.

Infidel
12-14-2010, 09:59 PM
Marrdro said:


The Noodle isn't under contract and I think ole Jen will have a big say in if he can sign with another team next year. My guess, his wife will opt to keep the noodle in the Noodles pants by keeping him home for good.

Noodle, Noodle, Noodle.......

I wonder.

If we took the word "Noodle" away from Marrdro......would he still be able to make a post?

:D

What do we do now?

We rebuild.

Start with the inept and crumbling O-Line.

AngloVike
12-14-2010, 10:18 PM
Greenway did say that he would like to stay in Minnesota, but that it was a business and he couldn't guarantee that it would happen.

That may be true but I think that Greenway will do what he can to stay in Minnesota and I don't think he will be pushing for stupid money either



As for Rice, as sad as I am to say it, I don't see him staying here. He's going to get big bucks and if we can't work out a contract with him before he hits FA... he's gone.

With Rosenwhore as his agent then you can kiss Rice goodbye. He won't want his client on a rebuilding team as that will affect his earnings potential (and therefore his agents cut :angry: ). So you can bet he is already whispering in Rice's ear to look after himself for the rest of the season so that he's fully fit and ready for all of the potential suitors.



If we can work out a deal I think that Pat will stay... but there are several others that need deals too. Its a tough situation.
Much as I love Pat I'm not sure if he is at the level that we're going to need for the next couple of years. I wish he was but I'm not sure that his body will be as willing as his desire to play

Yep we're looking at rebuilding but it may not be as bad as some expect. People will lower their expectations and maybe start looking at things with a little more realism instead of unrealistic expectations as has happened previously.

DiehardVikesFan
12-15-2010, 06:17 AM
the window slammed shut last year in New Orleans. There's no way we aren't going to be rebuilding unless we can find 3 or 4 quality starters on the o line this offseason. I'd rather just have us go young and build an o line through draft coupled with a young franchise QB versus overspending in free agency.

kevoncox
12-15-2010, 12:19 PM
You guys crack me up. Our team is not that bad. We need an offensive leader. We are a young team and I suspect that we will be competitive for years to come.

We are not rebuilding.

Zeus
12-15-2010, 03:20 PM
You guys crack me up. Our team is not that bad. We need an offensive leader. We are a young team and I suspect that we will be competitive for years to come.

We are not rebuilding.

I really wouldn't characterize the team as young.

=Z=

i_bleed_purple
12-15-2010, 06:19 PM
You guys crack me up. Our team is not that bad. We need an offensive leader. We are a young team and I suspect that we will be competitive for years to come.

We are not rebuilding.

I really wouldn't characterize the team as young.

=Z=

one of the older teams actually by player age.

mountainviking
12-15-2010, 06:42 PM
http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

Not much to chose from there! Looks like Orton is our best bet...at least he'd have a couple of shots at Chicago each year. Billy Volek maybe?

What about the UFL...anybody worth a shot there? Garcia? Culpepper?

http://www.fanhouse.com/2010/11/01/ufl-quarterbacks-numbers-across-the-board-are-surprsingly-low/

eeeeewwww...that stinks! :sick:

Pat could be back, Greenway will probably get a deal here (he's a Dakotan after all, and 2nd in the league in tackles!) Rice is more up in the air (pun intended) he's a hell of a player...when healthy! But he's only got one year out of 4 where he's made it through a season uninjured. Maybe, he's not worth what he's going to be asking!?

Yup. Looks like this year won't be anything like last offseason! We got lots of our own FAs to look after, maybe a new coach, hopefully a new QB or two or three...? Exciting, but scary too!!

SKOL VIKINGS!!!!!

DiehardVikesFan
12-15-2010, 09:18 PM
You guys crack me up. Our team is not that bad. We need an offensive leader. We are a young team and I suspect that we will be competitive for years to come.

We are not rebuilding.

A list of Viking starters over 30.

Brett Favre
Steve Hutchinson
Anthony Herrera
Bryant Mckinnie
Visanthe Shiancoe
Pat Williams
Kevin Williams
EJ Henderson
Ben Leber
Antoine Winfield
Ryan Longwell


Then you take into account the beating Peterson has teken so far in his career, and that Cedric Griffin has had two torn ACLs, we look extremely old.

And we don't have many holes? Just pass defense, Quarterback, receiver (after Rice bolts), receiver (if Rice stays he'll get hurt), offensive line can't run block or pass block worth a crap, and our run defense has taken a step back.

i_bleed_purple
12-15-2010, 09:28 PM
You guys crack me up. Our team is not that bad. We need an offensive leader. We are a young team and I suspect that we will be competitive for years to come.
I suspect you're wrong.

Our OL is not young, McKinnie is getting up there, Hutch is old. The right side is young, but hte right side is also terrible.

Favre is gone, TJ is gone, that's a pretty big gap right there
Peterson is only 25, he'll be good for a while
Sauce is old, Dugan's getting there, that's our TE depth.
Our WR's are young, but also very inconsistent. We'll be getting at least one new one next season, more if Rice leaves.
DL is old. Pat's old, Kevin's getting up there, Allen is 28 I thinK? No LDE. Robison isn't the answer.
Leber is old, EJ is old and coming off a massive injury, who knows how many more seasons he has in the tank.
Winfield is old and regressing, Griffen is coming off two torn ACL's, I'd be surprised if he ever comes bad to 100%. After that our corner depth just sucks. Hopefully Cook will pan out.
Longwell is getting old, but as a kicker he can last a while if he wants to.

as of May 2010, our average age put us at second oldest in the league, behind the pats

Age Team
25.9 Houston Texans
26.4 Jacksonville Jaguars
26.6 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
26.6 St. Louis Rams
26.6 New York Giants
26.7 Philadelphia Eagles
26.8 Miami Dolphins
26.8 Kansas City Chiefs
26.9 Chicago Bears
26.9 San Francisco 49ers
26.9 Carolina Panthers
26.9 Detroit Lions
27.0 Cincinnati Bengals
27.1 San Diego Chargers
27.2 Tennessee Titans
27.2 Oakland Raiders
27.3 Cleveland Browns
27.3 Green Bay Packers
27.3 Atlanta Falcons
27.4 New Orleans Saints
27.4 Seattle Seahawks
27.4 Indianapolis Colts
27.5 Baltimore Ravens
27.5 Buffalo Bills
27.6 New York Jets
27.7 Dallas Cowboys
28.0 Pittsburgh Steelers
28.0 Arizona Cardinals
28.1 Washington Redskins
28.2 Denver Broncos
28.3 Minnesota Vikings
28.7 New England Patriots

The Vikings, the second-oldest team on the list, seem to have a pretty short window. Their average offensive age is significantly dragged “up” by Brett Favre, but with good reason: without Favre, the Vikings go from contender to darkhorse. The left side of the line, anchored by Bryant McKinnie and Steve Hutchinson, started to show (perhaps age-related) declines in 2009, as well.
I'm trying to find a more recent list.



We are not rebuilding.

new Coach, new QB, new players next year? Yeah, we are absolutely rebuilding. Deny it all you want, but it will happen. Do you think any new coach will keep Chilly's abortion of an offense?

Infidel
12-16-2010, 03:43 AM
And, as you pointed out, some of our young guys are part of the problem, so the problem is not just one of age.....

We need to rebuild......old AND young.

Prophet
12-16-2010, 04:56 AM
I'm not in the doom and gloom club. First and foremost they need to clean house on the coaching staff and bring in a top-tier head coach. Belicheat has been doing well consistently with a rash of injuries on his team. Their first SB victory was done with a large number of replacements for all the injured folks.

As much as I hated seeing Mike Tice as the Vikings' HC, he was and is a great o-line coach. The Vikings have some good personnel on the o-line, but, had some crappy coaching. Take that example to any facet of the team, especially whoever the new HC will be. The team needs leadership and needs to build up with what is left over after the nightmare year and whatever happens with the players association in the coming year.

Get a good HC and some leadership....oh yeah, it also wouldn't hurt to get a stadium. I also agree with getting Wilf far from the day-to-day operations of the team. I appreciate his willingness to spend the coin, but, I put his football savvy below some of the members on this site.

It will be an exciting few years watching what transpires. The stadium issue is bigger than ever now though. They need to do something big, like hire a well known HC with a proven track record, in order to get the Vikings back on course with the public perception and their ability to play ball competitively in the short-term.

ndnorseman
12-16-2010, 05:00 AM
Not for nothing...but it seems it'd be easier to replace coaches than to try overhauling entire player units, such as O-line, Secondary, etc...Pat Morris and Jim Hueber...you're on notice.

My suggestion would be to keep the players that have shown the most talent, regardless of their level of output this season, and bring in new COACHES who can help those players reach their potential (or get back to it).

This season has been disastrous, and yes, the players are the ones out on the field, but the COACHES are the ones responsible for maintaining the discipline and focus of said players, and THAT is a fundamental necessity.

Formo
12-16-2010, 05:24 AM
I'm not as worried as some of ya'll are. But I would start with the O-line. That sucker needs to be rebuilt, and bad. Second on the list is make sure we have some DBs. Via draft or free agency, I don't care. Those two, outside of the QB position, are the positions that are hurting the most, IMO.

I don't have an answer for the QB situation. I hope they don't try the T-Jack experience again, but almost as bad, I'm hoping they don't go the route of some other team's backup (a la Frerotte or Bollinger 2.0). I'd love to see us somehow get a top 5-10 talent pick used for a new QB. Who knows.

NDVikingFan66
12-16-2010, 06:36 AM
I don't believe we are in "rebuild" situation as of yet. We have talent on the team, and have some depth. I think the fact that we may lose some players, is a testament to the fact we drafted good players. Hopefully we can continue to do that, and some of our players on the bench can step in and fill those roles.

Add some free agents in there, and possible trades to accumulate picks or additional needs, and maybe we are not Super Bowl favorites, but doubt we are the bottom of the pool.

Of course, it really does depend on what we do for a coach. Schemes could change, changing personnel. I think coaching more than anything could determine whether we are "rebuilding" or not.

We may have to do some "remodeling", but I do not think we are "rebuilding".

Just my thoughts.

Zeus
12-16-2010, 02:46 PM
The team needs a GM, dammit.

=Z=

jargomcfargo
12-16-2010, 05:02 PM
The team needs a GM, dammit.

=Z=

Good call. That's where this should start. The foundation to long term success often is a talented GM.

gregair13
12-16-2010, 06:06 PM
Get ready to move to LA. So I guess that would be sideways.

slavinator
12-16-2010, 06:33 PM
Vikings' focus must be on sustainability sans Favre, Childress (http://http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81cea1e5/article/vikings-focus-must-be-on-sustainability-sans-favre-childress?module=HP_cp2)

Zeus
12-16-2010, 06:55 PM
Vikings' focus must be on sustainability sans Favre, Childress (http://http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81cea1e5/article/vikings-focus-must-be-on-sustainability-sans-favre-childress?module=HP_cp2)

Bad link. Are you drunk? :)

=Z=

slavinator
12-16-2010, 07:11 PM
Vikings' focus must be on sustainability sans Favre, Childress (http://http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81cea1e5/article/vikings-focus-must-be-on-sustainability-sans-favre-childress?module=HP_cp2)

Bad link. Are you drunk? :)

=Z=

Not yet but my Holiday vacation starts tomorrow so all bets are off. So I went back in and just copied the URL. Its a pretty good read.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81cea1e5/article/vikings-focus-must-be-on-sustainability-sans-favre-childress

jmcdon00
12-16-2010, 08:01 PM
Vikings' focus must be on sustainability sans Favre, Childress (http://http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81cea1e5/article/vikings-focus-must-be-on-sustainability-sans-favre-childress?module=HP_cp2)

Bad link. Are you drunk? :)

=Z=

Not yet but my Holiday vacation starts tomorrow so all bets are off. So I went back in and just copied the URL. Its a pretty good read.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81cea1e5/article/vikings-focus-must-be-on-sustainability-sans-favre-childress
Interesting article. Long term thinking is going to be required.
I think early in the Chilly era they did this. Not overspending older players, and instead focusing on building through the draft and picking up youngn players in free agency. The last couple years though it has been all about winning now.

Purple Floyd
12-17-2010, 01:25 AM
I am all for building for the future and establishing an identity that reflects the team as a whole and not just the coach Du Jour. So with that said i really want them to define the leadership structure by either elevating Spielman or Brzezinski to the GM position or hiring one from outside the organization and then starting from scratch by building the roster to what they want it to be and by hiring a coach that can coach whatever system they decide to run.

I am never a fan of losing but at this point after teetering back and forth between 5-11 and 12-4 over the past 30+ years with a 15-1 thrown in there but no Super Bowl appearances I am willing to look at just gutting the team even if it takes a few years of 2-14 to get the picks we need in order to get an elite nucleus including a franchise QB and putting some young elite talent around them.

I for one am ready to endure a few really bad seasons if they can make some radical changes and get us a nucleus that can take us to the next level. Of course that type of thing always comes with some risk involved if the players don't pan out but in the end I would rather swing for the fences and miss then bask in the glow of mediocrity.

Tad7
12-17-2010, 01:44 AM
keeping Rice and Greenway is an absolute necessity...

At QB, Obviously we're all interested to see how Joe Webb does. I don't mind Kolb but I'm not sure what it would take to get him.

thorshammer
12-17-2010, 02:22 AM
I have been a fan since day one with the Vikings. I would like to see us go back to when we had great defense. That's the Vikings identity. The 1971 Vikings limited 12 of their 14 opponents to 13 points or fewer en route to an 11-3 record and their fourth consecutive division championship. I believe they actually allowed an average of 9.9 points per game. I think they were + 15 in take aways. That's how to win football games. I still believe great defenses win super bowls. When I think of the Vikings I think of defense. I want to see a Vikings defense that puts fear into the eyes of grown men again. My rant is over .............. for now.

Infidel
12-17-2010, 02:46 AM
Lots of good ideas here, but I think Purple Floyd had the most insightful and realistic comment.


for one am ready to endure a few really bad seasons...

It's what we do.

B)